Got Fined for Same Offence Twice, Chance to Contest It?

sneijder on 17/04/2024 - 13:58

I forgot to update address, and so did not receive rego renew notice resulting our car being de-registered.
Got 2 fines (Can't remember the exact fine and name)
A: 371 Driving un-registered car
B: 611 Driving un-insured car
But I did not know the fine because they were sent to old address until I was pulled over by a cop.

I thought the cop was nice explaining what's going on and allow us to drive back to our home, until he sent us 3 more fines later
C: 371 Driving un-registered car
D: 611 Driving un-insured car
E: 123 Possession of unregistered car plate

C,D are exactly the same offense as A,B, except 2 were in my name and the other 2 were my wife.

I know it is my fault. I already started payment of A and B and prepared to pay E, is there any chances to contest C D? The notice says to contact the police station but not sure they would act nice. I submitted an online enquiry form but nothing come back. What's left is stand in the court….?

Thanks

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  • 38
    Take it to the cop shop, they can withdraw it
  • 17
    Take it to the court, you might win
  • 220
    No chance. You can't win the system
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  • TiredKitty78 on 18/04/2024 - 19:48

    Op like 'Can i get fined multiple times for the same offence?'

    Then 'ok, so to make things understandable, i was charge for A, B, and C'.

    If you're putting in A, B and C, then you were charged for different offences.

    Cars unregistered.

    A) You drove unregistered. Fine.
    B) Your insurance automatically lapses (??) because you are unregistered.
    Thus, when you drove, you were driving without insurance. Fine.
    C) Your car has been unregistered for a long time, thus, you should have returned your license plates. Fine.

    And YOU were not charged for them twice, your WIFE was. Unless it goes to you when someone drives your car unless proven not to be you.
    She drove A) unregistered car, B) without insurance, C) with invalid license plates.

    I feel the officer and his 'additional' fines, was actually just sending you PREVIOUS fines from when you wife had driven the car, when you weren't aware of your car being unregistered. So, you want to check when those fines where issued.

    So.

    They unfortunately all seem valid. And i can't see that the officers can cut you a break on already issued fines, or accept 'i forgot'. Every one forgets. You're about to say something about your address. Doesn't matter. You forgot that to. Live and learn.

  • Technics on 18/04/2024 - 21:28
    +1

    Are you familiar with the very popular an absolutely classic 1980's side scrolling, beat 'em up video game Double Dragon? It's an educational title where the main lesson is that life's most intractable problems can indeed be solved with your fists. In any case, when you took a hit in this game you would become invincible for several seconds so that you had a chance to recover from whatever unfortunate situation your found yourself in without depleting many or all of your available lives and prematurely ending the aforementioned slug-fest. This impervious state of being was indicated by your on screen character flashing in and out of existence. I believe this concept is now known as "mercy invincibility" amongst experts in the field and it was widely used in this and other video games particularly in the 80's and 90's.

    This has me wondering if you noticed yourself flashing in and out of existence after committing offenses A and B and if so were you still flashing while committing C and D? If so, you may have a strong legal argument that C and D should not apply. Bearing in mind, and as should be fairly apparent IANAL. Too much time spent diligently playing video games to waste time on frivolous pursuits like law school I'm afraid. I'm from a traditional family and it was the only way to appease my parents. Obviously there needs to be a sensible limit for how long of a period that mercy invincibility applies for. As it would create a moral hazard whereby the initial offense would allow the offender to commit subsequent offenses without risk of consequences. That limit may be something that only a judge can determine.

    • johnfuller on 19/04/2024 - 07:58

      wtf

      • Technics on 19/04/2024 - 21:19
        +1

        I thought it was straightforward enough. Surely the Double Dragon mercy invincibility defense is at least as cromulent as Mabo and the vibe but with the added advantage of punching. This is a bit like a double jeopardy situation but instead being tried twice for the one offense you're being tried twice for two separate instances of the same offense (that were apparently committed by two different people). It's more or less the same thing. If it's not an affront to justice then it at least has to be a legal grey area and if nothing else my argument would be that you should be entitled to some kind of bulk discount on these fines if you're paying for so many of them. That's money that OP could be using for eneloops, Drop HD6XX or rego.

        • johnfuller on 22/04/2024 - 08:15

          🤣😂

  • zombie hunter on 19/04/2024 - 07:30

    What the biggest load of horse manure, I forgot to update my address……
    Get up with the times everything email or txt message.
    Mail is last century with cds
    I bet you are on fakebook or instacrap all the time, and on your detachable male appendage aka smart phone all time.
    nsw roads send txt and emails a few times to remind me.
    suck it up princess……

  • BuddhaBoy on 19/04/2024 - 09:20

    They are same offence type but issue at different dates.
    Now pay and if your car is not registered, please register. And god damn, pay for insurance, it’s not worth it.
    Also, it is the drivers responsibility to updates address with the relevant entity/authorities.

    There is no chance you will get out of this, even if you take it to court.

  • Hugh G Rection on 19/04/2024 - 14:52

    no sympathy here, you knew you were driving with an unregistered and uninsured card. they could have sent the letter to the moon, it still doesn't change the fact you knowing broke the law. its not the cops responsibility to tell you that you're unregistered and uninsured.
    if you didn't know, then you are more irresponsible then we all thought, and you shouldn't be on the road ever.

    • trapper on 01/05/2024 - 13:15

      you knew you were driving with an unregistered and uninsured card

      Well no, he says he didn't realise it has expired.

      Still responsible though I agree.

  • UFO on 19/04/2024 - 23:28
    +2

    Definitely dispute it!!!

    It's very clear going by your post and your follow up responses that you haven't learned a single thing, and need further education in the form of additional monetary penalties.

    You drove unregistered and uninsured, got booked, and then continued to do so for what seems to be at least one month after that… putting all of us at risk!
    You didn't change your address, and you WRONGLY claimed a police officer 'let you drive home because he was being nice'. There is ZERO/NADA/NO WAY a police officer would let you drive an unregistered and uninsured car ANYWHERE! They will either wait for you to pay the rego right there on the side of the road online (and you show them the receipt), or they will most certainly tell you that you cannot drive the car until you pay the rego at a later time (car stays put unless you tow it).

    You are wrong on so many points you've made that I haven't got the time or inclination to address them all here.

    Learn… and learn quickly. Your cavalier attitude (as evidenced by "police hiding in the bushes" catching you driving unregistered/uninsured) needs correcting and fast.

    But please… definitely dispute it. It seems you need a magistrate to further explain directly (and penalise you) for your lack of understanding in road rules and responsibility to others. Do you not understand the risk you yourself and others by not having a registration and 3rd party injury insurance? You hit a pedestrian and injure them, and you'll be up for thousands upon thousands of dollars due to lack of 3rd party. It doesn't sound like you've fully considered your lack of foresight at all, and its shocking.

    Oh…. and for any other forgetful people reading- SET AN ANNUAL REMINDER IN YOUR CALENDAR for goodness sake. Be an adult, it's not hard!

    • trapper on 01/05/2024 - 13:13

      There is ZERO/NADA/NO WAY a police officer would let you drive an unregistered and uninsured car ANYWHERE!

      If it seems like an accidental oversight they will generally allow you to drive the directly vehicle home, assuming it's close by.

  • trapper on 01/05/2024 - 13:09

    If it was on the same day as you were driving your car directly home after the first fine then you could probably get off the second.

    But in your circumstances there is no chance of getting off.

    You are driving around in an unregistered vehicle for multiple days, getting multiple fines…

  • cupcake on 01/05/2024 - 16:13

    Go to court, plea "I didn't know" for A to E and hope for the best.

    Good luck.

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