Segway Ninebot KickScooter F30 $699 (Save $300)
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These rules make no sense really, legal to buy and illegal to own. I mean even cyclists have accidents. I just find it a way of raising revenue really.
P.s. maybe start cracking down on the sites/people trying to sell them?
It's sorta like marijuana, legal to own, illegal to carry. Really stupid laws.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-07/prescription-cannabis…
Scooters should be legal with better standards.
Where did you get illegal to own?
They are legal to sell, legal to own and legal to ride on private property. There are many products that fall into this category. Unregistered cars are one.
There is no need to crack down on a business that's abiding by the law. There is however, a need for state legislation to catch-up to the technological innovation that is micromobility.
Private users shouldn't be punished for slow to act governments when the pros heavily outweigh the cons when it comes to electric scooters and similar.
The police know this, which is why (in Victoria at least) they use their discretion when deciding to give out fines. I see countless private scooters travelling safely everyday and police are unphased. There are like in all aspects of life, individuals who use these devices recklessly and they should be punished and fined, and that's who the police usually target unless they are running some politically motivated targeting operation that some politician has handed them.
Sorry about that…. Illegal to ride…
And agree makes complete sense when you think of it in that way. State legislation does need to catch up, then again it’s always about long term planning - which is something that needs to happen.
There are too many stupid laws in NSW and its one of them
To think these are illegal but electric bikes are not.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/nsw-police-launch-ebike-cr…
They are if they can travel more than 25km/h
Beside the fact these may be illegal in your state and the filth may hate all things electric , is this a good scooter at a good price for a small adult? I know nothing about scooters.
I own the xiaomi scooter pro 2. Based on spec alone, xiaomi pro 2 is probably a better deal if you don't need that extra 20kg payload capacity.
xiaomi offers longer range and lighter. However, the segway has bigger tyres 1.5" bigger than xiaomi ones.
Disclaimer: I have only ever own one scooter, so I might miss additional features that segway trumps in those scooter.
Given its on Ozbargain, likely people will need the extra 20 kg capacity:p
Bigger wheels usually mean a smoother ride.
But i came here to say youre allowed out to cough death in other peoples faces with covid but (profanity) no you cant ride a scooter, get back in your car you terrible law breaker. Vic and NSW are the nanniest of states.
Because the states lose revenue from your lack of oil use, and yearly registration payments?
Not a particularly good price. When I was over in Europe in July I got an F40 for quite exactly the same price (after converting), and they have 19% tax, not 10% like here.
It was a good scooter to ride, but the stated range is in fantasy-land, and battery status/remaining range was way off, leaving me stranded a couple of times. F40 supposedly gets 40km, max I ever got was 30km, in flat country, speed limited to 20km/h there, rider weight ~76kg. Given that, I'd expect to see about 20 - 22km from the F30 in non-taxing circumstances. Less in hilly places, since recovery doesn't work particularly well.
If you're under 100kg I think it would be OK, over 100KG it's better to have 2 motors. Just for the hill climbs. A rear wheel is better, especially in the wet, with the torque, the front can spin.
The laws are stupid and I'd ride one because I don't care. Everyone here is well aware of the laws I think and can make their own decision.
Meanwhile I was at the coffee shop with my Lightning V2 and a police officer was telling me how much better it is than his Mearth.
Not sure the differences but the D18U is on clearance at aldi for $281!
Hi where have you seen this price ?
thank youi saw this price in Mount Kuring-gai store. they have some E20 as well for $299
Where!?
i saw this price in Mount Kuring-gai store. they have some E20 as well for $299
E-Scooters were good value a couple of years back at around the $350 to $450 mark … but this $700 is really starting to get a bit much imo, it doesn't seem cheap at all.
I'm from NSW and when I visited Melbourne and Hobart this year and these things IMO were a menace (danger) to pedestrians and drivers and many riders a danger to themselves.
Riders were on roads, footpaths, often without helmets and at night time without lights and sometimes drunk.
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=scooter+injuries&sxsrf=AL…
soooo just like normal vehicle users?
Exactly. I don't understand people who insinuate these are a negative on society by pointing to the tiniest percentage of users who use them poorly. Do they want cars banned?
There have been well over 1 million trips in Australia (hire scooters) and comparatively a very small number of deaths/serious injuries.
There will always be deaths and serious injuries but it's about weighing up the costs for/against society as a whole, not in isolation.
How many plane crashes have there been?
Perhaps some enforced rules, regulations, compulsory training, licensing, 3rd party injury insurance might be a start. (You did make the car analogy, not me).
For cycles too.
@Eeples: I think there needs to be a balance of regulation, safety versus ease of use and accessibility. I'm sure this will happen and depending on the size of the motor of the electric vehicle you'll need all or a combination of what you've suggested. Seems to be the best way forward whilst offering some common sense protections to the general public.
There already are enforceable rules, they just aren't enforced, likely due to under resourced police and/or police who don't care due to the minimal risk in most cases.
@Eeples: Yea sure, I'd be happy to pay my fair share of the cost of road usage as a cyclist, as long as drivers also start paying their fair share. There's a reason why road budgets constantly increase, it because drivers don't pay their fair share in the first place. Cycling and using e-Scooters have much more benefit to society than a mass of metal travelling at high speed.
Fine, just don't complain if you or a loved one collides with a car on the road. You know the result…
Rofl, if cars and scooters obey the rules the issue would be kept to a minimum. If scooter/cyclist/car has an accident then fault is determined and party held responsible as per usual.
@WallybR: I live in Victoria, if scooter riders obeyed the rules they wouldn't be on any public roads or footpaths. I see them often. Many times kids without helmets on.
When I said 'you know the result'… Despite the fault, you know who will be busted up and in hospital, not the car driver.@R00D: In the context of the discussion you're replying to, we've been talking about regulation and insurance etc to provide protections for riders, pedestrians etc. So the whole rule obeying thing is a moot point.
Riding on footpaths will most likely be allowed in the near future but will be speed limited. Users will always ride on paths as it makes more sense in some situations and if you ride to the conditions then you'll have no problem. They already do this in QLD.
@WallybR: No. R00D is in context with the first post I made and the first reply to it and deals with driver, pedestrian, rider safety.
That is what he replied to. (Check the nesting of the replies).
I live in the CBD and they are fine. You get the occasional person being a bit wreckless, but that can be said about bikes, skateboards, scoots, rollerblades, cars, and runners.
Most of those modes of transport are unregulated and we have managed to get by for a century. It's unbelievable to me that people such as yourself have singled out scooters as this month's sook-target.
And for the record i don't own one and i've never been on one. If i lived further away from work i'd consider it.
Lots of kids on them, many without helmets travelling much faster than they would on a bike.
That's the issue.
Not to mention the fact that people are already overweight on average, more andmore using these instead of getting exercise won't help.
Fact: the risk of injury with scooters are pretty low.
Kids don't go fast on bikes? You are aware hills exist right?
Kids go flatout on (foot powered) scooters more often than I see them on the battery powered ones in my experience.
The pearl clutching "think of the children" line is laughable. Kids are wreckless on ALL modes of transport. This has always been the case.
The parents of those kids is the issue, not the kids. Remember when they were all breaking things on hoverboards? I do.
Scooters aren't the problem, bad government policy is.
Drivers were known for driving drunk, driving erratic and for speeding causing death & danger to society. Then laws came in that regulated the use of cars and how to use them.
Scooters in the right place, at the right speed, with the correct training are great.
Look here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RSy1QkAPSc
and Hobart this year
Can't even take the rentals into the CBD as the geofencing cuts their power. Many places they can go have dedicated bike AND pedestrian tracks. The issue is pedestrians are stupid and walk in bike tracks.
This was my true real life experience.
i do really want one of these, but im never gonna get one unless they update the archaic laws here in vic. i already ride a motorbike, with a license, i think i can handle a scooter that goes like a quarter of the speed
You can hire a scooter and ride it but you can't have your own electric scooter and ride it in public spaces. How does that make any sense?
Then they use a few deaths from people who weren't wearing a helmet as justification for banning them. Well shit how many road deaths have there been form vehicles? Double standards yo.
Yep even just your regular push bike on average 35-45 deaths per year in Australia. E-Scooters apparently 3 since 2018… granted there's a lot less e-scooters but I'd hazard a guess they aren't any more dangerous than a regular bike.
High yield investment like a Tesla?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-06/escooter-illegal-to-r…
incase this is helpful for anyone.