Tesla Model Y also dropped its price on Model Y RWD and LR. Same price for Performance.
Prices above exclude on-road costs (varying per state).
Tesla Model Y: RWD $62,700 (Was $65,700), LR $71,700 (Was $74,700) + On-Road Costs @ Tesla
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@1st-Amendment: If you have ignored the climate change data for your whole life, you aren't going to be convinced by some random on Ozbargain.
If you have ignored the climate change data
What data specifically?
'cLiMaTe ChAnGe Is ReAl' isn't data, it's a slogan
And let's assume that cLiMaTe ChAnGe Is ReAl, it really is real, what is the actual benefit of reducing CO2 emissions by 1 or 2 percent (which is the best possible outcome from a major EV transition)?
Considering this will cost nearly $100Billion to achieve, surely you can name a tangible benefit before you tax us into oblivion?@1st-Amendment: I'd spend more. Especially if the goal is to keep up with China.
They have been the largest producers of renewables for over a decade, and that's a widening lead as they pour more money into it. Yet clean energy also happens to be one of the biggest contributors to their economy, without ruining it.Makes me suspect that our adoption of renewables might not be a big differentiator between the economies of China and Australia.
And if that's not it, then why are we talking about China?I'd spend more
Where should I send you the invoice?
why are we talking about China?
How much would you pay for a 2% reduction in CO2 emissions?
Do you read what you write?
China is the biggest emitter of CO2. You mentioned CO2. Join the dots…
China is the biggest emitter of CO2. You mentioned CO2. Join the dots…
My partner and I are discussing whether to have another baby, or a vasectomy.
BUT- China is the biggest emitter of babies.
Therefore…?Let me know which part of this you are struggling with
The part where you rattle on about China as an excuse to sit on our hands and do nothing.
And your vague yet confident insistence that doing anything will gut the economy, despite China and others doing just fine despite theirspendinginvestments.
Especially after this country had the same debate 15 years ago, chose to do nothing, and has nothing to show as a result.You literally said "How much would you pay for a 2% reduction in CO2 emissions?"
Yep because you said that wasn't worth $100B. I wanted to see if you took issue with the return on cost, or the mere idea of trying to manage emissions, which you made clear by saying you wouldn't pay a cent for.
In which case, it seems disingenuous to keep throwing around these 2% and $100B figures around while asking others to do the impossible and justify $100B as a multiple of zero. As stated above, "If you have ignored the climate change data for your whole life, you aren't going to be convinced by some random on Ozbargain."
@loksmack: Bit of a waste of my time to have even read that guy’s post. Wish there a filter on OzBargain to only read comments of a certain intelligence
@loksmack: It’s amazing how young people believe this nonsense. In Victoria a Tesla produces more CO2 than a new fuel efficient car. It’s just that the CO2 is produced down at Yallourn and not out of the tailpipe.
Also, if the 4% of worldwide CO2 emissions that are attributed to human behaviour was really destroying the planet, then why would we let most of Asia and South America increase their CO2 emissions each year ????
Bookmark this post for 10 years time and we will see who is correct……..@Digger111: Citation needed.
But you are wrong. Even if you charged your Tesla exclusively from electricity generated at Yallourn, it still produces less CO2 than an ICE vehicle (oh, and about a third of generation is actually from renewables, so it's less again).
Electric vehicles do emit more CO2 during manufacture, but this difference is 'paid back' within about 50,000km of driving. So over the lifetime of a vehicle, an EV emits less CO2 than an ICE vehicle.
Country CO2 emissions are kind of off topic here, and are a complex topic. But we shouldn't just throw our hands up and say 'our ICE vehicles only account for 4% of emissions, so let's keep them'. Every bit helps. And even if you don't believe or care about the CO2 savings - EV's are just a better ownership experience anyway.
I think subsidising solar & batteries would have a more meaningful impact on emissions than making electric cars that are only meant to run 5-7 years cheaper.
electric cars that are only meant to run 5-7 years
This is utterly false and easily disproven.
At best, you have been badly misinformed. At worst, you are deliberately spreading misinformation.
Also, both solar and home batteries are also being subsidised. This is part of a multi-pronged approach.
How many people are running original batteries in their EV after 5-7 years?
@Harry P Ness: Pretty much all of them.
The US federal government requires manufacturers to offer an eight-year/100,000-mile warranty on all EV batteries. California goes even further, mandating a warranty of 10 years or 150,000 miles.
Tesla doesn't release public statistics on battery replacements, but based on user reports, it's pretty rare and remarkable that when a Tesla has a faulty battery and needs a replacement under warranty. Tesla claim their battery designs are good for 500,000 miles and should outlive the rest of the car.
There are plenty of older Teslas on the road with 200,000+ miles on them in the US. Some early Model S's are around 400,000 miles on the original battery, and I've seen one that's at a million miles with a single battery replacement.
There is one exception to this - the early Nissan Leaf has a notoriously short-lived battery due to poor battery design - it only has passive battery cooling and is known to quickly degrade. All modern EVs have robust integrated battery temperature monitoring systems to prevent.
Some early Model S's are around 400,000 miles
The problem is that you are getting skewed experiences mainly from Tesla fanboys.
The regular man on the street isn't creating a blog post for every time they drive their car so they will have a different experience.
Here's one I found without looking too hard: https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2015-tesla-model-s-…
Less than 200km usable range according to the owner.Here's another: https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2016-tesla-model-s-…
Assuming you try and babysit the battery by not letting it drop under 20%, it's also under 200km range.Here's another that had a $28k battery replacement: https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2014-tesla-model-s-…
The model S was around $200k when released. That makes for a terrible TCO…
@1st-Amendment: ^ The model S was around $200k when released. That makes for a terrible TCO…
Totally agree - but anyone who bought a Model S in the early days clearly had plenty of money, knew the risk they were taking on a relatively small company with a novel and unique design, and had plenty of more conventional options if they weren't up for the early adopter taxes.
Tesla has learned a lot about battery chemistry, construction and maintenance since then, and their newer designs are performing much better.
@klaw81: That's cool the US has those protections, but it seems Tesla Australia's warranties are somewhat diminished. I'm not shitting on EVs, half of my extended family rock up to birthday lunches in 3s & Ys, I just don't think subsidising fancy cars whose baseline usability isn't that crash hot.
I just don't think subsidising fancy cars whose baseline usability isn't that crash hot
And yet we subsidise diesel utes for tradies…
subsidise diesel utes for tradies
Ridiculous tax incentive resulting in Rams and Raptors proliferating.
@Harry P Ness: My point wasn't that the US has mandatory warranties for EVs. It was that US car manufacturers like Tesla are required to design their batteries for a minimum of 10 years in order to sell into one of their biggest markets (California) and warranty replacements under that warranty are pretty rare.
Your claim that EVs are "only meant to run 5-7 years" is just plain false.
I just don't think subsidizing fancy cars whose baseline usability isn't that crash hot.
I disagree with this assumption, but honestly there's not enough data on modern EV designs to have a meaningful discussion.
However, we have to start somewhere, because electric cars are going to happen and we need to prepare for it. EVs are currently too expensive for a lot of people, and the government is helping people to choose a more sustainable vehicle - not only will it help to reduce the nation's transport emissions, but it's effectively seed money to build a new ecosystem of dealers, mechanics, charging infrastructure and all the other stuff that we're going to need in another 10 years time when most vehicle manufacturers will simply stop making ICE vehicles.
The subsides will have to be discontinued in another year or two, but by then there will be half a million EVs on Australian roads, which is enough market for private investment in charging infrastructure and all the other parts of the the ecosystem to be able to stand on their own.
Why would the government ever want to offer a rebate on EV's? The government prefer you stick to petrol, because they earn money off of petrol taxes.
earn money on emissions credits and boast their reputation of "being future green"
Well there’s no more discount for inventory models.
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Cheapest Y on Inventory page is $60380 excl onroadsLucky Asian numbers as well btw
Long range inventory is the same price as brand new now, just checked. There were like 2k discount yesterday.
Ah, I was looking at the RWD.
It has the newer battery tech@0806449: HW4 is coming I think, this alone justify ordering new stock. Can’t upgrade to HW4 at all.
why are tesla deals the only car deal i see
Because they're crap, overpriced.
You talking about the car or ur life?
All of our lives are 'overpriced' at the moment
The car and maybe my life lol
@sauce2k: There are just as good if not better EV options for cheaper at the moment around $40K-$50K. Its crap comparing the price and comparing other EVs for the money. Plus who wants to support Elon Musk, one of the biggest drips out there.
@Justin9mm: Feel free to list similar EVs to the Model Y around the same price with similar size and features.
Atto 3 is considerably smaller and shorter range. Volvo EX40 is about the right size, but quite a bit more expensive. Ditto for the Hyundai Ioniq 5 and Kia EV6.
I'm not really in that market, so maybe there are other options I can't think of?
@notChatGPT: Tesla charging network is no big deal in Australia, only in the US. Almost all EVs in Australia use the same charging plug, there are quite a number of local charging networks and they're all pretty good. Tesla is actually one of the more expensive networks here, and probably the most expensive for non-Tesla drivers who pay a premium at Supercharger sites.
@klaw81: Pricing for charging at a Tesla joint is at par with any other, Ranging from ~60 cents to ~67. Its the convenience of supercharging and its integration into its route planning that gives it an advantage. It is so much better than planning the trip on ABRP or Plugshare.
@notChatGPT: I honestly don’t use it at all - I just prefer to charge at home. I’m aware it’s better, and I’ve tried it out before, but I wouldn’t buy a Tesla based on this. Especially since most of their network has now opened up to other cars
@sauce2k: I can explain being a Tesla owner myself. I still love the software, and honestly, despite the numerous flaws of autopilot, it is still invaluable to me.
But getting back to the crap aspect. My model 3 is loud, especially on the Hume highway - my wife refuses to travel in the Tesla for any long trips, and I wear noise cancelling earphones for my trips.
Quality control is shit - my visor fell off because they forgot a screw, the panel gaps are awful, and the splash shield underneath the car has fallen off twice with minimal water. Oh, and “Full Self Driving” has been a complete lie from the start, despite having paid for it.
I’m sure the newer Teslas are better, but there are so many other cars now, even if you only want to get an EV.
@ozbking: @ozbking
what year is ur m3? Wearing noise cancelling headphone to drive is a bit excessive. My Y is similar to my previous ICE maybe a tad louder but it’s definitely normal.
again what year is the 3? Early ones yes QA is crap. Nothing faulty on my car
yeh look, FSD idk why u paid or anyone would pay now. That’s sort of on you not doing enough research.
as I mentioned in my other comment, it’s a technology car. You can never chase technology. There will be cheaper and better cars in the future…so what
@sauce2k: Mine is 2019 from Fremont. I’m aware the newer Shanghai made ones are better.
I use noise cancelling (AirPod Pro) mainly when I drive along the Hume Highway (I travel for work weekly). It’s more the road noise. I don’t have as much issue with inside Melbourne.
The steel suspension is also not what I’m used to (all my previous cars had air suspension) - this isn’t really much of a criticism, I was fully aware of this buying the car.
When I paid for FSD, it was “only” $8000. Navigate on Autopilot is useful but not for $8000. At the time, the whole industry was more optimistic with getting autonomous driving working. That’s sort of gone now.
I’m glad you enjoy your Tesla, and I may have enjoyed the Tesla more if they delivered my Model S order from 2021. But since then, I bought a BMW electric and I prefer that much more.
Did mummy and daddy give you permission to use the computer today?
Crap no overpriced yes
Tesla have been around so long but only have two mass produced vehicles. Tesla only has the resources to develop one car at a time but musk directed their resources to the Cybertruck which has been disastrous.
Also, the competition is coming. Tesla has spent $20B on R&D since they started which is like the budget of the VW group for just one year. That's why they have like 30 different EV's coming out this year.
They are on a website, and anyone can get it. Every other car deal is specific to a dealer, and obviously has all the cons of dealers/stock etc.
I believe given the EV competitive market and excess supply in China
not far to see Tesla drop Model Y to below 60k…Yeah, give it time, prices will fall as the market gets more saturated. Unless you are well off, probably not the best time to get into owning an EV. I say this as someone who has a 10kW+ solar home.
Agree, i rather buy a Toyota and put the price difference into Tesla stock
Your resale will also be much better
Still yet to see the imaginary terrible resale values on Teslas materialise…
Like this you mean: https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/tesla/model-s/?sort=%7ePric…
These were around $200k new, now advertised for $42k but seriously is anyone buying these? It's $30k for a replacement battery and we all know one will be needed sooner or later. Some ads are saying the range is now under 300km which is terrible.
I'm genuinely interested if anyone has bought an 8 year old+ model S. Does anyone know anyone that has done this?
@1st-Amendment: Model S and X batteries are definitely expensive, theyre quite a lot larger than those in Model Y and 3 and have different chemistry. Not to mention I think they come from USA which makes things a bit more expensive.
Model 3 & Y batteries will be much cheaper. Some recent quotes said about $13k (unsure if labour was included in that quote). With many of these cars on the road nowadays, I can only see more of these battery packs being able to be fit as replacements.
Just like any car, more part availability = cheaper repairs. Discontinued Model S and X have very low to no parts available in Australia, thats why they demand a premium.
Just like any car, more part availability = cheaper repairs
This is not the case with EV's though (at least currently) because of the specialist construction and electrical licencing requirements means regular mechanics or panel beaters are legally unable to repair them. We've already seen cases of minor fender benders write off near new EV's because of battery risks.
And unlike the old days when every second boy wanted to be a mechanic and build fast cars, no-one is training to be an EV battery replacement person. That doesn't sound like a fun career choice. So we'll probably see labour shortage issues here too.So you have a situation where the specialist skills just aren't there to drive down the costs. Much like swapping an old phone battery isn't worth the effort.
I don't think it's going to be a straight market swap from mechanics to EV technicians.@1st-Amendment: Agree, definitely going to need some re-skilling of the workforce. I honestly think that in the future we wont have a choice but to go to the manufacturer for repairs.
I have found Tesla to be pretty reasonable with repairs. I did have a panel beater fix a dent in my trunk, didnt cost any more than any other car we have had repaired.
From what I have seen (im no expert), a straight battery pack swap doesnt seem to be too difficult. Honestly seems like replacing a phone battery.
@1st-Amendment: I know a few mechanics who work for a large car dealership. They're gradually putting their entire mechanic workforce, including the apprentices, through EV-specific training because they're selling more and more EVs and need to have suitably qualified staff.
I have no idea why you think young guys won't be interested in learning how to repair and modify EVs - it's a trade like any other, and EVs are great fun to drive. It will only take a few more years before used EVs are cheap and common enough to be modified, and then they will be dominating drag strips all over the country.
@1st-Amendment: Is it unusual for a 200k luxury car to be down around 50k after 100,000ks on the clock? Outside those few models that end up being seen as "classics" in high demand?
Is it unusual for a 200k luxury car to be down around 50k after 100,000ks on the clock?
You said you terrible resale values were imaginary, I gave you actual examples to show that they aren't.
Whether that is 'unusual' is a different argument. Losing more than $1/km is terrible value, especially when one of the key selling points of EV's is supposed to be a lower cost per km.
Agree.
I have access to novated lease so a new EV or ICE car is 'reasonable'
And if the perspective is leasing a car every 3-5 years then on face value it feels cheaper and i can regularly be driving a new car.
I also have 10KW system and still don't see that I will pull the trigger on an EV yet
I have a similar situation, however my 22 year old Japanese import needed more in repairs than it was worth. Bit the bullet and got an EV under a novated lease. No regrets so far, will see how things are in 5 years.
ur comment makes zero sense , same as the comment you made before.
you clearly hate Tesla with no valid arguments lol. You got solar and not using EV, you have money to burn good on you
$50 k max
I get negged for posting my budget is 50g.
Lol, they want free car and they want to dictate their "own" price. They forgot that everyone have different financial status.
Exactly my thoughts
Same as Atto 3? I would take model Y if that's the case.
When is the body update for Model Y expected? (Similar to the new version of Model 3)
Also interested in this. I find the front of the Model Y a bit 'buggy'. New Model 3 design is a lot cleaner
Yes agreed. Going by the looks of refreshed Model 3, refreshed Model Y might get cleaner front end.
These discounts might be attributed to selling as many number of cars in this model before the refresh arrives next year.
@rollthedice
Tesla cars need a redesign, inside-out, especially the exterior.Initial Reuters report had 2024 production target in it, but that was issued early 2023. Tesla issued an internal directive to communicate "not this year" to customers. Whether that means U.S. only or worldwide, time will tell. My wishful thinking is for Q4 for China/Aus deliveries via Shanghai and Q1-Q2 2025 for Fremont/Texas/Berlin.
See: https://electrek.co/2024/02/12/tesla-confirms-no-model-y-ref…
Instant depreciation for Tesla owners.
Tesla is killing its competitors and resale value
More like the other way around. Tesla is like #2 most profitable car manufacturer at the moment. Investors like to milk it as much as they can.
Elon is trying to boost sales and the share price.
Cheap
Come on BYD, kick tesla on its balls by bringing seagull for <$25k
I've been promoting that beautiful practical car & now BYD are considering bringing in - AU requires some safety upgrades as we have too many (Americanised) 4WD/UTE killers on the roads. (In Asia they don't have that additional safety risk).
I hope they will bring the sodium battery models that have more advanced tech & safer.
(In Asia they don't have that additional safety risk).
Really ???
Australia, 9 deaths per 100,000
Korea, 16
China, 30
Indonesia, 32
Malaysia, 48
Thailand, 64https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/65afc565-en/index.html?i….
AU requires some safety upgrades
I'm glad we do…
That’s impressive! 7x more deaths in Thailand!
They probably don’t have anything like TAC / NIISQ there either, all these disabled victims are left disabled with much support
You should have included India for their crazy figure :D
New generation of Y is coming out later this year, with lots upgrades (battery, UI, facelift etc…), better wait for the new Gen.
Generally they will load the UI on the older models as well (as it is just software), but the new facelift/battery change is a welcome upgrade
Means then there will be same in older model once new one is announced
They better add HUD. Shame australia didn't force them.
Seeing it didnt come in the new 3, i doubt it will in the Y. I really would love a driver display, I think it will instantly improve the perceived quality of the car if they just added that one screen.
Don't need a extra screen, instead a reflection on windscreen would save space and design.
@hopper: Either or, i think screen has more functionality, but yes even a HUD would be enough to keep eyes on road. Not even an expensive thing to implement.
new price too
I say it again…the Y should be priced at $50,000
@1st-Amendment: Christ are you deliberately being obtuse?
The benefit of a robust charging network is increased adoption of EVs, which itself is a societal benefit due to lower emissions, noise pollution…etc.
Do I need to tell you why lower emissions are a benefit? How far down the rabbit hole do you want to go?