Why on earth would anyone think online airfare search engine are cheaper than an agent?

We constantly hear that agents are a dying breed due to the internet.

On the contrary, we are getting busier, as most clients haven't got a simple itinerary (we don't sell SYD/MEL tickets for example)

Most of our consultants, work hard & earn good money & get a few perks.

Many people stupidly believe, if an airfare is found at an online search engine, it must be cheapest.

The reality is, almost 100% of the time, fares on different search engine sites are within a few dollars of each other.

We often get the emails that says something like …

we know you probably can't beat it, but we have found online, A to B return for $x.

We mostly only sell USA/Canada & mostly Xmas school holidays & we can always do better, if well in advance.

At last minute, which can mean different things, but we think of it, as inside 2 months before departure, there's very little left that's cheap.

Sometime, our clients have to cancel & with most of our tickets, we can do a name change for a fee paid to airline, so can onsell clients tickets who can't travel.

This is generally the only way we can offer cheap fares to USA/Canada within 2 months of departure for Xmas school holidays, the busiest period of the year, meaning from mid Oct.

That said, in the rare situation, where we haven't sold all of our allocation of seats(which we've paid for), 2 months out, then we may have some cheap seats.

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    • The op is outgunned by the logic of the ozbargainers… Doesn't he realise that even seasoned businessmen like Gerry recognise us as THE PROFESSIONALS?

      • -5

        hardly. Makes us want to keep going, as many people have no idea of how this industry works.

        • +4

          and clearly you have no idea how the majority of people work..

        • -1

          @ev3nfl0w: what ? Work ?

        • One word: COMMISSION

    • +1

      There needs to be a timer for getting back neg votes. Similar to pay to win mobile games where you have to wait 5 mins for you to get "energy" to do something.

      • +3

        Watch ads to get more negs… That's actually horrendous yet profitable for OzBargain.

  • +1

    stop asking travelwiz to give you quotes for any other city apart from BNE, it's obvious they are based in QLD because why would people from interstate walk into his/her QLD shopfront to ask for quotes from their home city…BNE departures are all they know and therefore know how many tickets to pre-purchase. Unless you're planning to fly from BNE in the specific time period travelwiz has stated, most likely you'll find a cheaper fare online but travelwiz may be able to beat it by $1 so no harm asking. Yes agents are a dying breed but won't die out until the baby boomers who aren't tech savvy go.

    • I agree, baby boomers and their bottle fed progeny (35 and still at home) are the only (non corporate) people that 'just let the agent handle it'. Another manager at work spent $40 grand plus on a 45 day trip overseas then bitched constantly for 6 months about how sh!t the accommodation the agent booked was. He thought the agent would 'just look after it' lol. Plenty of commission for that agent.

      • -1

        maybe the manager though he was a VIP but didn't want to pay for 5 star. $40K doesn't mean anything in isolation. Maybe he flew bus or economy plus.

        Maybe he stayed in expensive city like NYC ? The statement above is just too vague.

        $40k - hard to say without seeing what this guy did, but commission might not be much more than $1k & probably lots of work involved.

        When airlines are giving away seats at a loss (we would suggest that anything under say $1300 or $1400 return from BNE, SYD or MEL to LAX might be considered a loss leader) it hard to find cheap tickets.

        Take all the taxes out (not talking fuel surcharges) & not a lot left for airline.

        Anyway, last week we had a guy who want to go to LAX after Xmas day. He wanted to stop in Auckland on way over & Fiji on way back. He could have flown on Air NZ & Air NZ flight numbers, but that would have meant going via Auckland in both directions & sometimes connections in AKL aren't that great.

        So we got him a fare of around $1700 with only 4 sectors, which was great for that time of the year. He was happy.

    • -1

      no we do flights ex BNE, SYD & MEL. At present, we have large allocations out of BNE & MEL to LAX from mid-Dec to early Jan, but not much from SYD. Negotiations are still ongoing.

      Where does this $1 come from.

      Agents are dying, but becoming more specialised. You can't do everything, sow e concentrate on snow holiday packages in Xmas school holidays.

      Airlines are hurting at present (many people are still paying off Xmas in Feb & confidence around country is low).

      Ok on a $899 return fare to LAX(not many of them, but many more at around $1199, just not in peak season, an agency might make $40 if they are lucky, so $20 off that is giving a 50% discount on their gross margin. $20 doesn't pay for much.

      Yes, seems to be lots of focus on just the price here, but maybe people should be thinking of value. So instead of trying to get $20 off a low season fare, maybe they should be asking for FREEBIES or added value.

      Flying somewhere, most people need some accom or car hire or travel insurance. Most travel groups don't sell cheap & nasty insurance. Maybe you can get a big chunk off a good policy, bringing it down to the cost of a cheap policy, that has huge excesses & tiny limits.

      We were shown a cheap policy the other day. It had something like $5000 worth of baggage & personal effects cover, but in the fine print, most that could be claimed per item was $100 (less depreciation) & $50 excess per claim, so if only one item, you might go through the whole claim process & get $20 back after depreciation taken into account.

      • other big difference in insurance seems to be cancellation cover & what are "legitimate" reasons & who is covered, immediate family or who ?
  • +4

    So… your goal was to make every OzBargainer never use your agency ever again? You win! :D

    There are 101 reasons why I don't use travel agents, and ones who complain about the clientele to the clientele has not been one of them. Really, the simple answer is convenience. I live miles out from where I work and study, and neither have an agency nearby. Which means I have to go out of my way. Given the hectic life of a uni student with a zillion jobs to make ends meet, I actually don't have the time or energy to an agency when I do want to travel.

    Now take my retired parents who are casually spending their children's inheritance on seeing every country in the world. They have a close relationship with their agent, they book specific tours, and debrief after each journey. They can take out entire days to discuss this, which is a luxury most people who use internet search engines don't have.

    But point being, you're complaining that a that a certain market doesn't have the characteristics you would like it to have. That's fine, but it's still silly to complain about that market to that market. You're not doing yourself or your company any good.

    • meh whatever. :P

    • -1

      we're not trying to get people who think they don't need a travel agent to book with us.

      We're just saying that in most cases, agents can do better than anything online.

      Just gave an example of …

      >

      Anyway, last week we had a guy who want to go to LAX after Xmas day. He wanted to stop in Auckland on way over & Fiji on way back. He could have flown on Air NZ & Air NZ flight numbers, but that would have meant going via Auckland in both directions & sometimes connections in AKL aren't that great.

      So we got him a fare of around $1700 with only 4 sectors, which was great for that time of the year. He was happy.

      >

      don't think you can find this itinerary online.

      BNE/AKL 27DEC AIR NZ
      AKL/LAX 4JAN AIR NZ
      LAX/NAN 19 JAN FJ(FIJI AIR)
      NAN/BNE 24 JAN FJ (FIJI AIR)

      All flights nonstop.

      He told us he found an Air NZ fare of around $2500 but it meant an overnight in AKL on way home & accom not included.

      So around $800 less than what he could find & no overnight at AKL at his cost required.

      So why can't you phone or email an agent ?

      Not complaining, but this blind belief that everything via internet & online search engines must be better & cheaper or better value is just plain wrong as we have proven with examples of fares we do to LAX at Xmas.

  • +9

    It'd be a real shame if someone were to make sure the name of your company, Kiss Travel International, were mentioned in this post for future people Google searching your company.

    It would be a shame if they searched Kiss Travel International and found your lousy attitude towards customers.

    It would be a very bad decision if they searched Kiss Travel International and then decided to actually give you their money.

    Just saying :)

    • Sure hope you're mod: removed wrong companies email address, if not, you're probably in a bit of trouble tomorrow :)

      PS: I'd never travel with Kiss travel international

      • Kiss travel is different unfortunately, they're a company based out of Perth. Unfortunate name clash :(

    • +1

      This reminds me of the time a bunch of us on WP started a thread aimed at a specific MLM scam. It got to a point where Google search had our thread at the top. The MLM and all subsequent variations of said MLM folded under the pressure.

    • +3

      I think naming and shaming here might be going to far o_o
      It's a small business and can easily collapse. It's not like we paid or purchased anything from him. Getting this business ruined because of one staff member's bad manners seems too harsh.

      • +4

        It's not naming and shaming, he/she is clearly representing his/her company on here, and has posted on their behalf before. There is no misrepresentation going on by actually putting the name of the company.

        Judging by the sounds of things they don't rely on internet traffic to drive them sales, and there are zero reviews out there of the company.

        If he/she can post deals on behalf of their workplace, they can put their rep where their mouth is when it comes to what they say.

      • +2

        He said his company does not rely on google so if he's right, then they're good

      • -2

        hardly going to collapse (our overheads are very low) cos a few people don't like accepting the reality that we've stated.

        Why do people profess to be experts, when they are clearly not.

    • +1

      Did you say Kiss Travel International? I'm a bit hard of hearing

      • -1

        so if you had to go to USA at Xmas you would want to pay more ?

        Or you would want another agent to book your flights/package through us, but not book directly with us ?

        That makes sense.

    • -1

      all we're trying to do is make people realise that if price or value is important, that they should not assume that online search engines are best/cheapest.

      • +3

        From the general consesus of pretty much everybody but you on this thread suggests that while it is entirely possible for a brick and mortar business to provide a service like this, it's unlikely and in many cases, not worth the time spent investigating.

        It's basic economics, brick and mortar services that provide low-level decision support are bound to be crushed by online alternatives that require less manpower and commission. You cannot provide better prices than online competitors, as they have, or could obtain, the same wholesale contacts that you currently have. How are you having trouble understanding this?

        • -2

          you must have failed or not down economics at school.

          No, online search engines can only sell published fares, not wholesale or net fares. You obviously don't understand the difference.

      • +1

        So are the "Testimonials" on the website real?

        From what I read, the writing style seems like it's all written by a single person!

        • -1

          most of our regular clients probably 50-55% are BNE & SYD lawyers & their staff, who are not short of a buck (some of them don't like spending it though), who ski in USA/Canada every Dec-Jan, who have school aged kids.

          We could give out their real names, but they probably wouldn't want people emailing them.

    • Kiss Travel International?

  • +7

    Of the 20 or so tickets I have booked in the last few years, about 60% or so I have taken to travel agents to see if they could "better" them. They couldn't. Every. Single. Time.

    EVERY. Single. Time.

    That's 2 or so hours spent sitting staring at a wall while someone confirms something I already know.

    Why would I bother now??!! - It's because if the person is savvy - it is. Every time.

    You're preaching to the wrong choir here love. The Scientologists and other persuadeables are… I don't know. Cruising Facebook. Spruick there. You might have more people fall for this garb.

    • +2

      I agree. Half the people on Facebook are still expecting a $450 Bunnings voucher to turn up any time now.

    • -2

      so why wouldn't you just shoot off a really quick email to the agent & ask, this is what I could get 5 mins ago online. Can you do or suggest better.

      Plenty of people can see the sense.

      We'll say it again, there are plenty of fares that don't make it into online search engines.

      Maybe didn't make it clear. Published fares are all that search engines can look up.

      They all work via various CRS/GDS's & all do effectively the same thing.

      Nett fares can't be found on CRS's, so a search engine can't give a price for them. All they can do with the price is reduce commission maybe a % or 2, that's it.

      • +2

        Ckckck… Earlier post you stated cheapest fares would be gone in 5 secs - interestingly you said to send email to price beat a fare found 5 mins ago????? It'll be GONE already.

        Byebye

    • -2

      just shows, you are going to the wrong agents. As I keep saying, go to the specialists in the area, you want to travel to. Try not to leave it til the last minute either.

      Other wholesaler sell out completely of deals, usually months & months before departure date.

  • +4

    travelwiz is so bad at making and supporting their point that it's hard to believe it isn't a troll.

    They're having ongoing logical fallacy problems. They also don't seem to have basic comprehension skills.

    Most of it's displayed in the inability to understand that agents can provide good deals in some situations but not others - it's either all or nothing with travelwiz (the black or white false dilemma fallacy).

    There's also the repeated inability to separate the idea of someone's personal experience and a counter-argument to a specific deal (people say they've tried agents and not gotten good prices and the reply is usually "but we have that one deal, therefore your experience doesn't real").

    • not all all. You just have to read all our replies. We try to respond to everyone.

      Little quiet today with dual cyclones.

      • This is a fine example of lack of basic comprehension skills.

        My post indicates that I've read most if not all the replies. They come back with "you should read the replies".

        Gotta be a troll.

  • I do not have a lot of experience with using travel agents. I have a lot of experience with using airline web sites. The limited experience that I have had with physical travel agents has been that on 3 occasions I have seen prices in Flight Centre agent windows and I have gone in and asked about them. They ALL have been unable to tell me when the fare is applicable. All that they could do was to put in specific dates into their computers and tell me the fare for those specific dates! I am free to travel 'whenever' and so I like to know when the cheapest price is available and I will try to fit into those dates. But I am not down on travel agents. I would not like to do their jobs. I find it tough enough managing just my own frequent travel and hotel bookings without making mistakes.

    • Flight Centre window signs have the very cheapest fares, at that time. Availability changes by the 2nd.

      Tell you what annoys us.

      Airlines advertising a fare that almost doesn't actually exist.

      When an airline says $899 to LAX return over a time frame, it means there are a few seats on some flight they know will never ever fill at reasonable break even prices.

      A study was done on a domestic airline & although impossible to prove, it appeared that all the giveaway fares were either at 5am or 9pm & mostly Tue & Wed & Sat pm, & Sun am, the quietest times of the week.

      Some people think it means every seat on every flight is going to be cheap.

      We prefer to give specific examples of dates we have cheap seats, until we sell out, without having to go & look up availability.

      We could eg. say

      we have cheap seats BNE/LAX & SYD/LAX & MEL/LAX every day 27-31DEC at $700, $800, $900 etc. (1/2 the return cost) & back LAX/BNE, LAX/SYD & LAX/MEL 18-23JAN at $700, $800, $900 etc.

      & you can combine any of above.

      We could even go so far as listing live availability, BUT that would cost a lot when we're talking only 800 seats in total

      • plus some people might want one of these dates in one direction, but not the other, so we would than combine with what's available through CRS.

      We don't make many mistakes, if any.

      The most common mistakes we see people making trying to do it themselves are:-

      1) trying to book separate connecting flights too close together & booking LCC's without 1st finding out the extras.

      2) people mixing up am & pm, which is why we try & work off 24 hour clock.

      People talking about 12am or 12pm. No such times, which is why it's rare to see a flight departing at 1200 or 0000 (which day is that ?)

      3) people getting time zones confused.

      Esp. flying USA/OZ. Most flights leave USA in evening & arrive OZ 2 days later in the am. Some people think there spending 36 hours coming home, rather than 14.

      All the more reaon, why wholesalers/agents should specialise in particular countries or regions.

  • If the OP can get me a cheap ticket in November for December/January (because I didn't know I wanted to go someplace the previous January; and so didn't buy the ticket cheaply myself then) then I don't really mind how he does it.

    • Nov might be pushing it, but maybe in SEP.

  • +1

    Online search engines do not have to pay for;
    - Storefront rent
    - Furniture and other equipment of stores
    - Electricity & Internet of stores
    - Agents

    Therefore their costs are far lower, therefore they can afford to be cheaper.

    I do agree though, formal booking agencies are good for last minute tickets, usually they have deals with airlines, and they will usually have an X amount of seats they get at a good price, and so long as all are not sold out, customers can benefit from those even when within a short timeframe of their flights.

    On the other hand, for less popular routes, booking agencies have essentially nothing. For instance, when I went to book my trip to Korea, I went to Flight Centre, and they literally said that because it's not a very popular destination for Australians, they can not do anything for me.

    • this

      "Online search engines do not have to pay for;
      - Storefront rent
      - Furniture and other equipment of stores
      - Electricity & Internet of stores
      - Agents

      Therefore their costs are far lower, therefore they can afford to be cheaper."

      is VERY simplistic.

      Maintaining online search engines can be expensive. Cf. many agents who now work from home. All have phone contacts, so they must employ people, maybe in India or Sri Lanka, but wherever call centres still cost a lot.

      & this …
      I do agree though, formal booking agencies are good for last minute tickets, usually they have deals with airlines, and they will usually have an X amount of seats they get at a good price, and so long as all are not sold out, customers can benefit from those even when within a short timeframe of their flights.

      On the other hand, for less popular routes, booking agencies have essentially nothing. For instance, when I went to book my trip to Korea, I went to Flight Centre, and they literally said that because it's not a very popular destination for Australians, they can not do anything for me."

      I don't necessarily agree with you that agents have good last minute deals(what does last minute mean, 2 months out, or 2 weeks out ?) but they do have deals with airlines & they are called net fares !!!

      • +1

        "Maintaining online search engines can be expensive."

        A well designed information system will require very litle maintenance and can serve thousands of potential clients simultaneously at any given time, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, enough that by the time you have trouble reaching technological limits in the hardware/software you'll be able to throw huge bundles of cash at the problem - how many clients can a standard meatbag serve on a weekly basis?

        Do you think this perhaps the many major consumer-based industries are pushing for an online presence that allows purchase of goods/services is reasonable evidence to show that brick and mortar is dieing?

    • -1

      Korea is huge. Many Australians fly to Europe, USA, Canada etc. with Korean Air. We just don't sell them anymore.

      By keeping our eggs in only a few baskets, we get better deals.

      What did you say to Flight Centre staff ? Sounds like they want you out of there fast.

      Normally they will come up with something quite fast.

  • +1

    Great sensationalist subject line, really got into the hot discussions topic. This guy has got to be trolling

    Edit: I figured it out everyone. This guy is working for a competing travel agent and is imitating this airline to give them a bad name. In reality, this company is great!

    • -1

      Is a good headline, that someone had to point out the reality.

      • I was being sarcastic in my edit.

  • O.P. Why didn't you just name the company at the start and say that its an ad upfront?

    The commissions bricks and mortar agents charge can be huge, and online sellers also charge commissions. Just be upfront about it rather than justify anything.

    I found that even with the franchised agents (flight centre, harvey etc) there can be significant differences between 2 outlets

    • don't think you can, otherwise someone will say it's an ad.

      Bricks & mortar agents don't charge commissions. Think you might mean service fees.

      The ones that do that, in other words, don't want to be doing $50 fares BNE/SYD as they simply don't pay the bills, so they might be saying, if you haven't got a decent booking, go away, which is their right.

  • +1

    This thread is one big ad. Most negged OP?

    • -4

      no it's not, but some people can't seem to accept that agents do have better deals much of the time.

      • LOL you do realize that you've mentioned BNE-LAX at whatever price you're offering for oh.. what, more than 10 times right?

      • Not much of the time. ONCE of the time. You ONLY have a better deal for one route at one specific month period of the year. If that's much of the time - then I'm a billionaire much of the time as well.

  • Nice professional web page…to be taken seriously… NAAAAT! I used to write websites like this when I was 12

    EDIT: damn fat fingers (and tiny iPhOne keyboard)

    EDIT2: I was talking about the kisstravel website, just in case some smart alec thinks its about OzB site. I just LOVE how the OzB site looks!!!!!!!!!!!

    • +2

      Are you 12?

    • You don't get it.

      Most of our business is sending families skiing. Best value family resort by far, is Copper Mt.

      We could just mention our airfare deals on our webpage & refer any interest in skiing to the Copper Mt website, except their site is designed for yanks. Most yanks spent 2 or 3 nights skiing. Most Australians spend 2 or 3 weeks.

      So resorts love Australians & give them better deals, like long stay discounts & cheap lift tickets.

      We did post a deal & for some reason, some people didn't like it (eg. accom in Jan in a spacious 1 bedroom 3 star condo on snow from USD$50/person/night based on 4 sharing & lift tickets from USD$40/day/adult with up to 4 kids under 13 completely FREE). These deals aren't on the Copper site, as designed around a minimum stay of 7 nights accom/7 days lifts, but most other info is on the Copper site.

      Someone even said, too good to be true. We can put the price up if he/she wants.

  • +3

    If you're cheaper in 1% of the time and not available 99% of the time, you're basically useless to me. 1% chance of being a little cheaper and 99% chance of being more expensive is not worth my time.

    Email service? No. When I'm on the go and have trouble in the airport, I am not gonna bloody wait for your email reply. I go straight to the airline counter and have them fix it. Or I call my 24/7 priority line get someone fix it right there. And besides, even though airlines are not 24/7, they tend to open when it matters (e.g. day time at the relevant timezone). Oh, and you know what? Most of the times I can also go straight to the airline website and fix it there too.

    It might work for your particular date on particular route as a package, but I've seen plenty of things here on Ozbargain and elsewhere that makes your deal sound like a joke. Return business class tickets to Kuala Lumpur for 250$ on ANY day. Return first class tickets to Europe for 3000$. Return economy class ticket to Singapore on ANY day for 300$ on Qantas (earning points too). And many more.

    Quite frankly, this kind of attitude of yours is why I don't use travel agents. More human factor to fail (esp. people who think they know best and should know best, but sometimes, many times, don't), for no apparent benefit.

    • -4

      We're cheaper when families want to go to USA/Canada at Xmas.

      Our clients don't have problems at check in as we advise them of everything upfront.

      The kind of attitude you have, makes us not want you as a client !!!

      • +6

        The irony of you talking about peoples attitudes.. oh my

  • If the flyer is using points, can the travel agent get anything out of it, or provide better service?

    • -2

      we don't get anything if client using points, but we do know how to eg. find Qantas frequent flyer tickets when client can't, eg. on domestic U.S. tickets & USA to Canada, with no fuel surcharge & no baggage fees.

  • I call bull! I just walked past a Flight Centre on a very busy Friday afternoon, shopping centre was quite busy. That Flight Centre had 6 employees, only one was busy, the other 5 were clearly enjoying their "free time"

    Wonder how Flight Centre survives. Top rent at a inner Sydney shopping centre with 5 mature employees doing nothing.

    • & for rest of day, they were probably flat out, with calls waiting.

      • +1

        Probably not though

  • +2

    I read half page #1 then jumped to #3 to see how the OP got served. Which he/she has been, repeatedly throughout the comments, but it seems the OP's still painfully unswayed.

    OP, you just simply can't win here. Zero chance. Please stop trying. We are a bunch a 'educated' cheap bastards. We will recognize if you really do have something to contribute, but otherwise you are to be run to the ground. Period.

    • -4

      we're not trying to win anything, just point out that agents have many fares that don't make it to online search engines.

      Why should we stop ? You obviously don't get it yet. Not that educated obviously. Have told you how to save dollars, sometimes big dollars & you say, NOT CORRECT.

      No one I believe has come up with anything like out Xmas fares, not even close.

    • +2

      Obviously too much time in the office, lack of clients tend to do that. Likes to be condescending jerk to rage at the invisible internet people which are ruining him.

      Sorta reminds me of Gerry Harvey and his crusade against ecommerce… then opens up an online store anyway

  • +2

    travelwiz …. LOL

    • -2

      don't need it, busy as.

  • -1

    Having traveled extensively over the past 40 odd years what I have found what has worked for me is the following:
    IF for instance you are going to Vietnam head for an area with a high Vietnamese population and buy from a Vietnamese Travel agent. Similarly to Greece a Greek travel agent, Middle East an arab travel agent and so on.
    Because the agents in these areas write so much business for their national airlines, or at least airlines that travel to these destinations and usually can offer better deals. Sure, Flight Centre say they will match any fare but why not patronize those agents that offer the best prices in the first place. I saved about $500 on a return flight to Saigon and also got a domestic airfare free, Saigon to Hanoi thrown in.

    • +10

      Member Since 15 min 49 sec

      Hi aussieray welcome to the forums, ummmmmmm?

    • +1

      Departing Australia I've never tried but this has definitely worked overseas. Outside Europe, North America and Australia a lot of airlines are nationalistic and absolutely screw over foreigners online.

      This may have changed since but in Brazil I had to fake a Brazilian ID on one website, and had to book another airline indirectly for $20 more since the airline charged foreigners $100 more directly. Up until recently a lot of those local airlines flying domestically in Asia had minimal on-line presence and you were better off paying a travel agent their commission. Since AirAsia and Jetstar invaded Asia the hassle has been unnecessary - until AirAsia's recent crash AirAsia had no fatal crashes so it was often more promising than local variants.

      Like others have stated though, price matching OzBargainesque-level-cheap flights through travel agents has ALWAYS failed to be cheaper for me. Ironically they can probably save the most money for people who have more money than time to begin with and can afford hotel prices in Western countries during peak periods that in 1 night equal the budget for my entire trip.

    • Actually this may be true in some instances. The only time I've had an agent offer me up front pricing that was better than an airline special was from an agent that specialised in the region. In my case, Qantas had canned their Perth to Singapore flight. SIA was doing a special for $600. I didn't even mention the price and the agent offered me $580 with credit card fees etc included in the price. Sure it was only $20 difference but it was hassle free. That being said though this agent came highly recommended from a friend.

      All other times I've found it was better to book directly online from the airlines themselves. I've tried flight centres a couple of times and they've quoted on average $70 more per ticket. Which I've never understood. It's almost like they never expected their clientele to do any research.

  • +1

    After booking probably my last 30 flights over a 5 year period online, I recently got Flight Centre to price beat a online airfare that I had found and I thought that it was a great idea having an agent help us out especially if there was no price difference.

    The agent was a mutual friend as well so I thought to myself it was a win-win situation and if it worked out, I had someone on the end of a phone call to help out with future flights.

    Boy - was I wrong. Despite being a mutual friend, he was actually NOT helpful at all getting the ticketing names wrong (and then asking me to pay for the name change), and was unresponsive to any queries and it took multiple phone calls from my end to get things sorted.

    All in all - instead of a 10 minute maximum online session, it took at least a good 5 hours to sort out all the mistakes he had made (flight times were incorrect, ticketing name was incorrect, PRICING was incorrect and overpriced) and I will NEVER AGAIN go back to an agent.

    You may say that this is an isolated incident but no - it is actually basic economics. If there is no financial incentive in it for the opposite party, there is no motivation for them to work in your best interest. This is NOT the case for services such as Kayak or Skyscanner as their revenue model is different.

    The OP who made this post kind of confirms this throughout all his posts (which sounds like more of a rant towards POTENTIAL CLIENTS) and just highlights the fact that the industry will be a dying breed once their current client demographic (white collar with high disposable income, family of 3-5, 30-50 y/o and female) catch on there are better deals out there.

    • -4

      so u had a problem with one agent ?

      Maybe names issue was your fault ?

      We have people who can't spell their name in an email & then we send the itinerary to them before ticketing & to check everything is correct & they still don't point out name is wrong until tickets are issued.

      It might only be one letter or middle name instead of 1st name, but airline charge for this these days.

      Think Osama vs Obama.

      Apparently 72 hours before passengers fly to USA, all their names go through some TSA "super computer" & it picks out any dodgy ones. Not sure what happens if you book within 72 hours of departure.

      • +3

        "Apparently 72 hours before passengers fly to USA, all their names go through some TSA "super computer"

        I'll refrain from nitpicking on your computer literacy, but:

        "Apparently"

        Apparently!? It sounds like you don't even know the mechanics behind key components of the service you're offering, especially when it sounds like you're travel agency primarily deals with the US. As a consumer I'd have no confidence purchasing anything from you.

  • Hey mate,

    I have a friend who is looking to travel from LA to BNE in may for 3 weeks….what agent price have you got for me?

    • +5

      Be prepared for a Christmas quote because that's when everyone travels to LA.

      • another observation/thought…

        The cheapest prices for flights in usd i can find is around 1100, while aud are about 1250….with the exchange rate being so low for us (0.78?), would it be possible for me to buy the ticket for them, then they convert some usd for me to pay me back thus making it cheaper?

        essentially: can i buy the tickets for my US friend from here or do the airlines not like that?

        • is the AUD$1250 from OZ to USA & back ? (you can't change the order of flights)

          There's usually a credit card charge + banks usually charge a few percent exchange fee, so might not be worth all the hassle ?

      • yes everything that counts to us

    • ex USA, you'll get a better deal booking it from US end.

  • +3

    If you had so much business, why are you on ozbargain gloating instead of doing actual work?

    • +1 gloating

  • +3

    So after hearing op say wholesalers are cheaper I went to Google and searched "Sydney Berlin wholesale fares OR flights". Biggest waste of time, maybe they all have ungoogleable websites. If they are unsearchable how can I find and book with them?

    I think it's time to close the thread. Op has got the attention he wants, he used this title to grab attention but his arguments don't really relate, it's all to advertise. Going pretty low IMO. Maybe they bought too many tickets and are facing liquidity issue so need to flog them off quick.

  • +1

    Travel agent? What's that?

  • +2

    The last time I got a better fare from a travel agent was when Bestflights were still a going concern and hadn't been bought out. Their round the world fares were great.

    I travel quite a bit and if you already know where to go and don't need anyone to hold your hand through the process, there's absolutely no point in involving a travel agent.

    • +1

      So true, I miss the old bestflights - bought at least 6 rtw tickets with them and best adventures had great deals on tours. Thy were also pretty good at publishing all the comparable rtw deals available. Someone bring back a new bestflights!

  • +2

    tldr but I think I got the gist. Wish it was a bargain post coz I'd love to see how many negs it would attract :)
    My experience is the same I presume everyone else's - an agent can't get a better price than I can. My wife used to fight with flight centre to make them beat her quote, but got sick of wasting her time.

    I hate agencies in all fields, taking an unnecessary cut, and trying to make themselves necessary.
    I love what uber is doing to taxi companies (who basically act as agent for driver), carsales.com to used car dealers, and I'm real hoping google will create a solution for real estate agents.

    Travel agents? I guess there must be a market for people who don't have internet or phone.

  • Why on earth would anyone think a travel agents airfare price are cheaper than an online one ?

    • cos they are in many cases.

      Do the challenge.

      • +4

        Can you provide me with a price for what I requested last Friday (or at least give me the name of a wholesaler that can)? It's on page 2 if you need to locate it.

        Do the challenge.

  • Almost every single post by the OP has been negged on this page. Nothing ticks Ozb's off more than not getting a bargain…err.. well :)

  • +23

    I just wasted 20 minutes of my life reading this thread.

  • Disruptive Influence.

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