NBN Chief Blames Online Gamers for Fixed Wireless Congestion - ABC News

sween64 on 04/06/2018 - 22:08
Last edited 05/06/2018 - 08:49 by 1 other user

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Key points:

  • NBN chief said heavy users causing fixed wireless congestion "gamers predominantly"
  • He later rejected the notion that gamers were a "problem"
  • NBN Co is "evaluating" throttling some fixed wireless users

"While people are gaming it is a high bandwidth requirement that is a steady streaming process," Mr Morrow told the committee.

It concerns me that the NBN Chief thinks that gaming is a high bandwidth process and would consume more data than video streaming.

Is anyone on FW? Is the 75GB peak data limit enforced? Edit: Whoops, that's for satellite users. Is peak congestion an issue?

I'm lucky to be on HFC and have great service from NBN so far.

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  • Savas on 04/06/2018 - 22:11

    you realise the 75GB limit is for satellite? you had me scared there, I use FW at home.

    • sween64 on 04/06/2018 - 22:14

      Whoops. My mistake.

    • DiscountDevil on 05/06/2018 - 08:47

      What is FW?

      • Speckled Jim on 05/06/2018 - 08:58
        +1

        Fixed Wireless
        Frickin' Wonderful
        Forever Waiting

        ^ pick one

      • Savas on 05/06/2018 - 09:53

        fixed wireless

        • [Deactivated] on 05/06/2018 - 11:57
          +1

          Technically speaking, you're not wrong.

  • liamisred on 04/06/2018 - 22:52
    +1

    wtaf

  • gummibear on 04/06/2018 - 22:55

    Which ISP are you with for HFC? and what state?

    • sween64 on 05/06/2018 - 01:44

      Telecube, Victoria

  • [Deactivated] on 04/06/2018 - 23:06

    When the Nintendo type cloud retro gaming comes in it'll get worse.

  • altomic on 04/06/2018 - 23:29
    +15

    Hi, we built an entire road system to meet the needs of drivers in the future, but it is congested now because of all the drivers using it.

    • tryagain on 05/06/2018 - 01:30
      -1

      The growth rate of road traffic and internet traffic wouldn't even be close to being in the same ballpark.

      • altomic on 05/06/2018 - 09:51
        +2

        my comment is allegorical.

    • sween64 on 05/06/2018 - 01:45
      +4

      It's all the motorcycles clogging up the highways! They just use so many lanes!

    • D C on 05/06/2018 - 04:15

      Allegedly a city in the UK once tried to stop its buses picking up passengers so they'd run on schedule.

      • bobbified on 05/06/2018 - 09:06
        +2

        once tried to stop its buses picking up passengers so they'd run on schedule.

        That's nothing new - Metro trains in Victoria are ordered to skips stations when it's running late to save time and get back on schedule so that they don't have to pay compensation.

        • D C on 05/06/2018 - 13:28

          Metro trains in Victoria are ordered to skips stations

          Oh Sydney does that too, but at least the schedule has the stops on it.

    • original15 on 05/06/2018 - 19:41

      Lol I said the exact same thing to mates when I heard these nbn comments

  • steven6 on 05/06/2018 - 00:12

    Is he going to blame OzBargainers next?

  • [Deactivated] on 05/06/2018 - 00:21
    +7

    So the NBN chief is pissed off because one of the primary functions of the internet is taking up bandwidth? Why is this guy still in a job?

  • Axelstrife on 05/06/2018 - 00:55
    +4

    Online gaming use fk all data wtf is he talking about.

    • RandomFox on 05/06/2018 - 03:33
      +5

      "While people are gaming it is a high bandwidth requirement that is a steady streaming process,"

      high bandwidth, lol nah… steady streaming process? I mean sure, but I can't imagine it being even close to being as demanding than someone screaming 720p+ video.

      • Speckled Jim on 05/06/2018 - 09:03

        screaming 720p+ video

        Username on 'hub checks out

  • AdosHouse on 05/06/2018 - 01:24

    "So we are absolutely confident that 25 megs is going to be enough, more than enough, for the average household."

    But suddenly the network is congested and people are slowing down. So maybe 25Mbps wasn't enough.

    • JungliChilli on 05/06/2018 - 07:02

      25M would be enough for the average household if the ISP's actually provided that much, IE this is not nbn's fault. Typically the nbn network has the capability to provide this speed as a minimum. Yes there are cases where nbn thought they had rolled out a network capable of achieving 25M minimum but doesn't and they are rectifying this when they can.

      FW is a different story. It's a massive fail.

    • Scrooge McDuck on 05/06/2018 - 08:26
      +1

      640k ought to be enough for anybody.

  • havebeerbelywillsumo on 05/06/2018 - 03:35
    +3

    Deflect the blame…..anywhere, logic does not concern me.

    • D C on 05/06/2018 - 04:17
      +1

      If people didn't use bandwidth there would be more bandwidth available.

      Perfectly logical.

  • EightImmortals on 05/06/2018 - 06:29

    Sounds like he's just another part of the kakistocracy to me.

  • sween64 on 05/06/2018 - 07:12
    +2

    Maybe the Chief should listen to his employees who clearly know more.

    Believe it or not, some of the biggest online games use very little data while you’re playing compared to streaming HD video or even high-fidelity audio.
    Where streaming 4K video can use as much as 7 gigabytes (GB) per hour and high-quality audio streaming gets up to around 125 megabytes (MB) per hour, (but usually sits at around half that) certain online games use as little as 10MB per hour.

    How much data does gaming use?

  • chumlee on 05/06/2018 - 07:22
    +4

    I blame Malcolm Turn bullshit and his FTTN

  • DarkOz on 05/06/2018 - 08:07
    +2

    So this guy is saying that he got ambushed by gamers. What kind of game is he playing?

  • Gandalf the Thrifty on 05/06/2018 - 08:48

    I'm on HFC and my service was good but has been offline at nbn side for over 12hrs atm and for couple times over last few weeks for 12+ hrs. There is never a resolution time either on outrage pages.
    Started after I completed the 2nd nbn service survey…

  • Speckled Jim on 05/06/2018 - 09:06
    +2

    outrage pages

    Oh I suspect we'll be seeing little resolution but much outrage on these pages, and WP.

  • bobbified on 05/06/2018 - 09:10
    +1

    This is the same d%$khead who said that Australians are not ready for super-fast internet and wouldn't use it even if it was offered for free!

  • pjetson on 05/06/2018 - 09:15
    +1

    This is an admission by the NBN chief that the NBN is not fit-for-purpose.

    • Magus on 08/06/2018 - 20:02

      NBN would work better if no one actually used it.

      FTTN would actually be cheaper that FTTP if it was not used either (cost+opex crossover about 6 years)

      They were unable to forsee the rise of online streaming or increased data use when they put in 50 and 100Mb links for some towers.
      BTW, this was 5 YEARS after Netflix became the biggets treamer in the US, and there were MANY providers who laughed at the Govt's prediction that we would need 12/1 by 2025..

      The cause? PPPPP

  • [Deactivated] on 05/06/2018 - 09:17
    +2

    Everyone is in such a hurry these days.

    Remember the days when we would just sit on the patio and savour the smell of fresh rain? Or the time you took the long way home just to catch the sunset against the valley?

    A letter was something someone took to effort to unpack their stationary drawer. It represented sentiments in ink. The taste of the letter adhesive and the back of stamp was unmistakable. Sure, the letter took a few days to arrive but it arrived didn't it?

    Today, we bicker over how slow our internet is. How it took a rushed toilet break for a movie to buffer. With all the many bits, bites, blocks and internet km/h, we are never quite satiated. Put that router in low gear. That internet will still be there tomorrow.

    Enjoy life. Embrace the classics. Accept slower internet.

    • bobbified on 05/06/2018 - 09:22
      +1

      Today, we bicker over how slow our internet is. How it took a rushed toilet break for a movie to buffer.

      We take it for granted nowadays. It's only when the internet at home doesn't work for whatever reason that you realise how much you rely on it.

      • [Deactivated] on 05/06/2018 - 09:27

        I am the purveyor of the tried and trusted. I may dabble in the internet but alas, it is but a mere infant of Hermes.

        I have put my faith in the power of whispers and messenger doves. In more recent years, I've even employed the services of the facsimile machines.

    • Speckled Jim on 05/06/2018 - 10:38
      +2

      Remember the days when we would just sit on the patio and savour the smell of fresh rain? Or the time you took the long way home just to catch the sunset against the valley?

      Pepperidge Farm remembers.

  • EightImmortals on 05/06/2018 - 11:58

    "Enjoy life. Embrace the classics. Accept slower internet."

    I'm happy to accept slower internet, not so happy to pay for it. :)
    If they can't deliver the speeds advertised then I shouldn't be paying the monthly fee they demand. I have a 50/20 connection and have NEVER even gotten close to that.

    • Quantumcat on 05/06/2018 - 12:03

      Make a complaint then!

      • EightImmortals on 05/06/2018 - 12:19

        Have made numerous, bottom line is that they have oversubscribed their services and now we all have to pay for it.

        • Quantumcat on 05/06/2018 - 13:00

          Did you get any compensation for each month they weren't able to provide what you paid for?

        • EightImmortals on 05/06/2018 - 13:04

          @Quantumcat: Shirley you jest? :)

  • Oz8argain on 05/06/2018 - 12:08
    +1

    This guy being the NBN chief is like hiring an Amish guy to build a race car… Go home and take a nap, and don't wake up again.

  • peteru on 05/06/2018 - 12:18
    +1

    NBN was supposed to deliver the network connectivity that people need. It does not matter who uses it for what, it's supposed to handle current and near-future demand. That's why the original plan used optical fibre to premises - that technology is future proof enough for the purpose.

    NBN chief should STFU about people actually using the network and should work on delivering something that works. If there's anything to whine about, it's the politicians making his job hard. Those are the people that should be in the spotlight for ruining the whole thing. Not the people who are connected.

  • Chris Topher on 05/06/2018 - 18:48
    +1

    I'm (regretfully) on fixed wireless, my only option, the only variables would be the retailer of the FNBN (F = the magic word) but it all runs through the single unit.

    Guess what happens? 12MB = maybe ~1MB during peak. That's 1MB down, up doesn't even happen.

    Thank you NBN Co. Please FTFBW "Fix The F'n Band Width"

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