Is our landlord inappropriately encroaching on our lifestyle?

Fellow OzBargainers,

As someone who is relatively new to renting, I thought I’d ask for your views on my situation. Today we had our routine 6-monthly inspection on a 1-year lease.

Background
This is our 2nd year renting. We are a young couple with no kids or pets. This year, we left our previous rental for work purposes and moved. We received our previous bond back in full and developed an excellent relationship with both the previous property manager and landlord. As renters, we pride ourselves in treating others’ homes as our own and usually keep the house meticulously clean.

Today
The property manager arrived with the landlord. Landlord seemed upset while talking with the property manager outside. It was this that alerted me to their arrival. I can only guess that perhaps the small front garden was a little unkempt, owing to the strong winds and rain the last 2 days in Melbourne. Nonetheless, upon overall home inspection, the property manager seemed quite impressed (the place was spotless) but the landlord was upset, especially about 2 particular things.

  1. Landlord upset our fridge was not on some form of padding and was concerned the linoleum/vinyl floors were being damaged. For context, our fridge is a large side-by-side door Whirlpool around 20 years old. FWIW, as a household of 2, it is usually quite empty. Last year it was placed on beautiful but delicate floor tiles, and did not leave a scratch. Prior to this, it sat on wooden floorboards in my family home for about 18 years, also causing no issues. There is no evidence at all of any floor damage, nor should any be expected. Despite this, landlord is adamant it should be on a mat or carpet.

  2. Landlord upset that mop and bucket is in the bathtub. For context, I mop the floors once a week. After mopping, I leave both mop and bucket in the bathtub to dry (there is no better place in our house for this), but since it is winter, passive drying of the mop takes almost a week, so I’ve essentially left it there permanently for now. Landlord is upset this could cause damage to the bathtub. Again, we did this previously at our old rental, with no issues. There is no evidence of damage to the bathtub, nor should any be expected. Landlord is adamant it should be moved.

As someone who believes we’re genuinely good and caring tenants, the landlord’s reactions got me a lot more upset than I thought I would be.

My fellow OzBargainers, do you think our landlord is meddling a little much in our lifestyle? My overall impression was the landlord wanted our home to be exactly like theirs (e.g. things done their way, things placed where they want). I know this is petty, and I certainly appreciate the landlord’s care for their home, but I also have huge respect for people living autonomous lifestyles, homeowners or not. Please let me know what you reckon. As always, your views are much appreciated.

TLDR: routine 6-month inspection today. House was spotless. Property manager seemed very happy but landlord not so much. Landlord wants us to put a mat under the fridge for fear of floor damage (there is no damage) and to move the bucket and mop from the bathtub for fear of bathtub damage (there is no damage). Is the landlord inappropriately encroaching on our lifestyle?

Update: just received an email from the property manager. She found the property to be ‘clean and looked after’ and ‘appreciate(s) that (we) take pride in the home’. She also mentions ‘the owner is extremely particular’.

Update 2: wow, over 100 comments! Arguably about half are from me, but thanks again for taking your time to share your thoughts and opinions. I’ve found the leftover linoleum (apologies, I used the word ‘laminate’ previously, having mistakened the 2 products) and as per landlord’s suggestion, will use this as a mat beneath the fridge (though there may be issues with sticking). I’ll just move the mop now, or at least come inspection time

Comments

    • She suggested leftover laminate, which shows me she has no good idea what she’s on about. Nonetheless it’s easy enough to do

    1. Request the landlord install a mop rail outside where it can drain. Puts the onus on them to fix their issue.

    2. Padding under a fridge is a really bad idea, it compresses and sticks and is super hard to get off the laminate, my sister had this issue years ago and the landlord tried to keep her whole bond because the mat she requested stuck. Refuse that stupid idea, if her flooring isnt upto normal wear and tear thats her problem.

    • Haha, in order to minimise contact with he landlord, I’ll just move the mop and bucket. Regarding the laminate on laminate, that was my initial concern. I’ll figure something out

  • She also mentions ‘the owner is extremely particular’.

    That means they've told the LL to STFU and thinks they're jerks.

    Sounds like the LL is new to renting. Maybe they installed the lino themselves. Lino is made to take fridges etc, and if they want a platform they can put it in themselves.

    I had a tenant that left their fridge on carpet, it leaked and trashed it. I couldn't really do much about it as that happened to be the only reasonable option close to the kitchen. I ended up building my own wooden platform and screwing it into the floor for the fridge, over the rotten section of carpet. Works fine. Hell it's a gaddamn masterpiece. But then not everyone is charming and reasonable like me.

    LL is a bit of a dick, but the agent will probably protect you to a degree.

    • Hopefully that’s the case! Sounds like you did well to manage the carpet situation

  • +1

    I think the points are pretty trivial but it would be relatively easy to fix both issues.

    The fridge issue may be a concern that it will leak and damage the floor underneath it. It might be worth considering putting down a mat.

    The mop in the bathroom might be a concern that you are going to scratch the enamel. We have a cat water fountain we keep in the bath to minimise any splash and we bought a roll of non slip mesh material and cut off a section to put under it to stop the bath being scratched. It is cheap as chips to buy from any $2 store out there.

    Up to you but it would keep the landlord happy at minimal cost to you.

    BTW - 60s ain't old. (Not there yet but it is rushing towards me.)

    • Bath mat might actually be a good idea, but I’ll probably just move the mop. Unfortunately the flooring of the actual fridge space is also laminate, so no matter where the fridge goes, it’ll sit on the same stuff, unless there’s any difference with the material beneath the laminate at different sections of the kitchen/dining room.

      Yeah, I misspoke/mistyped (?), 60 is young, especially as I work in a hospital and anyone <70 I consider ‘young’. For some reason I just pictured a much younger landlord

      • I meant just putting a length of matting directly under the fridge where it currently is. Some fridges do leak and leave rusty spots underneath them and if this is on a visible part of the floor it might be obvious. I can see why someone would be nervous about this if it is a rental as they can't see what is happening themselves. Might save the landlord fretting and it gets you in the goodbooks if you want something done later on.

        yeah, I'm hanging on to anyone <70 being young myself; at least until I reach 70 then it will become <80.

        • Will do. I just found that extra roll of linoleum the landlord suggested using. Not sure how effective it will be at protecting the floor from significant damage, but for any spills, it should do the trick. Despite the fridge being 20 years old, it’s not bad when it comes to leaking (i.e. I have seen no leaks so far)

        • @brian77: yeah, sounds like a win/win - she stops fretting and it doesn't cost you anything to keep her happy.

          We keep our mop out in the garage, when we aren't using it; but our garage is connected to the house.

        • @try2bhelpful: sure does. In future I’d love a place of my own with a connection to the garage from the house

        • @brian77: Keep hanging in there, you will get there - especially with the house prices falling at the moment. The irony is the more worthwhile the job the less they seem to pay people.

  • From the title I thought you were going to say the landlord was turning up on your doorstep unannounced.

    I've never heard of anyone putting padding under a fridge before. Perhaps put a mat under the fridge before inspections. The mop issue - well it might have been a good idea to take the mop out of the bath before the inspection anyway as I can imagine it might look a bit messy.

    Don't be horrified that you were seen by the landlord as being less than perfect - and be happy that your agent seems reasonable.

    • Some good advice there, thanks for the reply. I think most of us seem to be on the same page

  • Sounds ridiculous!
    I've rented for over 20 years and have never heard of the landlord accompanying the agent for inspections, that's their job!
    Secondly, unless it's written in the contract e.g. "a mat must be placed under the fridge to prevent damage", they have no leg to stand on. All rentals are subject to fair wear and tear.
    And to answer your question, YES, the landlord is encroaching on your lifestyle. Landlords forget that in exchange for money, you have control over their property now.

    • Haha yeah, one of the earlier comments suggested the landlord wants our rent money as well as us to be slaves in ensuring her property remains spotless, which nicely sums the situation. There is nothing in the contract about having a mat under the fridge, but I’ll just do it anyway. In principle, I disagree with her, but in reality, it’s easier for all parties to just go along with it

  • Sorry Johny come lately and in a hurry so didnt read others' responses. A few points from me:
    1) Did they issue you with Entry Notice, with details of who is entering the Unit? I hope you were told of the Landlord's attendance. If not, you can complain or even lodge a Breach Notice.
    2) Those "breaches" they mentioned, was it ever in the Contract? EG We have in our contract that chairs-on-castors must sit on chair-mat. They cannot randomly put some conditions to the Lease.
    3) I am not sure whether you should put a mat/carpet under a fridge. Wouldnt it stop the airflow and collects mould? Best to research. I've never done this in my own house. Tiles are supposed to be strong in the kitchen, and they should be hard-wearing. If they are that precious, that means they have used the wrong tiles.
    4) Whatever it is, you have rented the Unit based on a certain condition on the day you move in. So if there is any damage when you move out, you need to pay for the damages. Eg if you scratch the bathtub, you would need to fix it or replace it…… So I dont understand why they are so very upset.
    5) How is the rental market around that area? Whoever has the upper hand

    Anyhow, you seem to be very cluey and write very well. Do not let them control your life. We respect our Tenants, and Owners as well, but wouldnt impose.

    Happy weekend!

    • Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately I’m working this weekend, overnight shift in fact. Nonetheless, in response to your points

      1. They did give notice of the inspection date and time, but no mention of the landlord attending the inspection was made

      2. Those ‘breaches’ were not in the contract

      3. Yeah, I’ll do some research. I don’t think there will be a major issue with putting down a layer of linoleum

      4. Exactly. I’m confident we’ll get our bond back in its entirety

      5. I don’t think there are any issues with us finding other rentals (i.e. I don’t think it’s weighted against tenants). Tonnes of rental properties nearby.

      • @brian77, the Landlords have entered without permission/notice. You can let the PM know that you are not happy about this. They have no right to bring in people not disclosed on the Entry Notice.
        Also sounds like you have the upper hand in this rental market, but moving out is not ideal as it will cause you money, unless you are buying new home.
        If you are moving to Brisbane, we do have some properties that would suit you. Will gladly have you both!

        • Thanks for the reply. I think Malcolm Turnbull (PM) has better things to do. Kidding, but definitely appreciate the offer. Been to Brisbane once and really liked the place. No wonder why QLD is getting high net immigration (2nd to VIC)

  • +1

    You're doing nothing wrong, Landlord is precious.

  • +1

    Good luck with your bond

  • +1

    Landlord is being a (profanity). Seems to be the overwhelming opinion here.

    THAT BEING SAID: Expect your bond to be challenged. You will win (I have won a similar case with a similar landlord - at VCAT they were actually told 'these claims are quite petty'). Make sure you take your own photos when vacating.

    Edit: "d—head" is censored? What is this, bible school?

    • Haha, thanks for the sentiments. We’ll try not to give them a reason to challenge our bond return in full

  • In the great scheme of life, I'd shrug my shoulders and move on. Put a mat under the fridge and take the mop out of the bath (as you say, at least at inspection time).

    Some landlords simply don't understand what is going on. They somehow magically expect a property will not deteriorate in any way over the life of a tenacy/several tenacies. They also seem to think that anything the tenant is doing that they wouldn't do is in some way damaging the place. Heaven forbid you should actually damage something, they carry on like you're treating the joint like a halfway house.

    So long as what is being asked for doesn't become ridiculous, just "put a bit of grease between the wheels" to keep the landlord off your back.

    • Great advice there, thanks for your input

  • +1

    Do you want to rent my place?

    • Haha thanks for the offer. We have another 6 months remaining on this lease, but hopefully will be moving into our own home afterwards, depending on work and finances, as with most things

  • Get a dog. Just to piss them off.

    • Haha, it’ll be 1st dog vs 1st child…why not both?

  • if you go to sydney, can you please be my tenant?

    • Haha sounds good!

  • I'm very happy that you articulated your situation so well. Well written.

    The landlord is overly particular and agent agrees.

    Don't worry.

    I would want you as a tenant. I like well spoken tenants.

    Nobody takes care of the garden. Ever.

    • Thanks for the reply, always enjoy appreciate compliments about my writing, though don’t do as much of it any more. Either way the garden probably needs a minor touch up come spring time

  • You sound like a good tenant, your landlord sounds unreasonable.
    Why don't you come and rent my property instead, I'm a good landlord ;)

    • +1

      Great, so many nice offers for tenancy!

  • +1

    you can find your mop, come visit me and bring it with you

  • Some people arn't capable of renting out 'their' house.

    I had a landlord like this… turned up to every inspection, upset over trivial things. He ended up not renewing the lease, i had to move out, he dropped the agent.

    The agent said he was a 'panic merchant' and was glad to be rid of him. This guy was an absolute tossbag. Some people don't get it. They want their house to stay exactly the same, lived in as they did, by their rules, whilst you pay them for the privilege.

    • Yes, sounds very much like our situation

  • +1

    Sounds like you are not going to get the bond back if the landlord is like this…..

  • +2

    Despite this, landlord is adamant it should be on a mat or carpet.

    In what universe would this be considered normal?

  • +1

    On the fridge I side with the landlord, the weight can leave a dint in the soft floor. The concern is not scratching.

    On the mop, there's no issue, ignore. I'd say it's impossible for a wet mop to damage a bath.

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