Solar Panels on eBay - Buyer Beware

Buying solar panels on Ebay is a massive gamble. Almost all sellers advertise panels that can't possibly achieve the stated output.

I was about to post a deal, but after having written the below found out that I can't post it because it's not a top rated seller. Since the text has the intention of helping anyone buying solar panels on Ebay to avoid being cheated as well as highlighting one very good current deal I decided to make this forum post.

Using the current 10% off you can get:
200W 12V Solar Panel, 1 for $88.20, 2 for $167.58, free delivery
here

This 200W panel appears to be the real deal. At this price it is a steal.

Simple novice guide on how to check whether a solar panel can live up to the wattage given in the description: calculate the area in m2 and multiply by 160.
In this case: 1.58m x 0.808m * 160 = 204. This most likely is a genuine 200W panel.

To explain the calculation: panels are rated at a standardised insolation of 1000W/m2. Cells used by most manufacturers achieve about 18% efficiency. The area covered by cells (as opposed to gaps and frame) is about 90% of the total area, giving panel efficiencies of about 16%. A bit less for small panels where the frame takes up relatively more space, a smidgeon more for very large panels where the frame takes up relatively less space.

There are a couple of exceptions where manufacturers achieve higher efficiencies, even slightly over 20%, SunPower in particular, but they won't be found anywhere near this price point. Don't be fooled.

The same listing contains a 300W panel with the same dimensions, it most likely is a mis-labelled 200W panel. In a different listing the same seller advertises a 200W panel with dimensions 1.48m x 0.68m, that most likely is a mis-labelled 160W panel.

Be careful what you buy. When you receive it you might want to check the outside dimensions of the box to make sure it can actually fit a panel of the advertised size.

Comments

  • Thanks for the information!

    It seems like an great price for the size, especially after the discount. Even second-hand house panels often go for $30-40 on Gumtree (though sometimes free), but this should make buying a compatible MPPT solar charge controller a little easier.

    Have you seen any great deals on batteries? I've seen a few second-hand deep-cycle lead-acid AGM batteries on Gumtree that are sold when they reach their 2 year compulsory replacement, but I don't think they've been tested for actual current Ah ratings.

    I haven't really looked into fuse boxes or inverters though. I'm little worried about drilling random holes in my van's roof.

    • +1

      Batteries are another item where people get cheated a lot on Ebay (and elsewhere) with very excessive Ah claims. They only way I believe to be safe is to buy a brand that is also available in brick and mortar retail stores.

      If I was in an area where the free delivery applies I would probably buy this one, $206 after 10% off: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/12V-120AH-DEEP-CYCLE-AGM-BATTERY…

      I ended up buying the 100Ah version of the same battery when the same seller had it on their own website for $174. No further discounts, but they shipped it for free to Perth, while their Ebay listing was quoted as > $100 freight.

      I was seriously concerned when I found a date stamp on the battery that showed it was 3 years old. The seller explained that those batteries get activated long after production. I know some batteries are shipped empty with acid in a separate pack, so that is plausible.

      I can't find any information about inactive batteries leaving the factory for this brand and the manufacturer did not reply to my question via email. I can only take the seller's word for it. I don't have a battery tester to be completely sure, but having done a load test that discharged it by about 30% and checking the voltages hourly along the way it performed exactly as it should according to the data sheet.

      So yeah, even with a reputable brand there are still lingering doubts and worries. Maybe a $50 battery tester would be a good investment.

      • +2

        Batteries are another item where people get cheated a lot on Ebay (and elsewhere) with very excessive Ah claims.

        I bought 2x 12V 15AH SLAs off a seller on eBay. When they arrived, they were the same dimensions as a 12V 7AH battery. I tested them both several times with a 150mA discharge current and they were both 6.52Ah and 6.56Ah respectively. With a 1A discharge current they were 5.58Ah and 4.76Ah.

        I complained to the seller and got a refund for both immediately. They probably knew what they were selling!

        • +1

          This is the real pro-tip. If you have the right test gear, you can buy all kinds of "too good to be true" stuff off ebay, and the buyers will usually refund you to prevent negative feedback.

    • +1

      When it comes to inverters:

      If you are happy with modified sine wave Jaycar has some heavily discounted ones at the moment. My pick was this one: https://www.jaycar.com.au/800w-2000w-surge-12vdc-to-230vac-e…

      After adding a small item to get to $50 I got the Amex $20 cash-back and got this inverter for $30. A steal.

      • Modified sine wave is another way of saying it's basically a near square wave inverter. Fine for motors and incandescent light bulbs but not much else. Even cheap 'pure sine wave' inverters are basically square wave units.

        • Yep, they are basically square. But so are most affordable UPS units. The manufacturers seem to think they are ok to power computers and the like.

          I haven't used the inverter since running the battery load test through it - using an old incandescent light bulb with known wattage.

          The loads hanging on my battery are DC and connected almost directly (I put in a voltage stabilizer to be on the safe side).

  • Curious. What can you power with 200w solar panel?

    • +1

      These are 12V panels, so they are intended to charge batteries rather than power houses directly.

      You could pair this panel with a battery of 100Ah or 200Ah or even 400Ah depending on where you use it (hours of sunshine) and how much depth of discharge you want to allow (affecting battery life).

      If you get 4 hours of full sunshine you'd have 800Wh. Allowing for efficiency losses during charging/discharging using an inverter, etc, you can use perhaps 600Wh. That's 25W continuously 24/7. Plenty to run LED lights and charge your phone and other devices while camping for example. Or as a UPS to keep your ADSL router and portable phone up and running.

    • Caravan will often successfully run in a 299w panel, provided you use gas for heating and cooking.

  • did you end up buying this panel?is it good?I know nothing
    seems really cheap.200w is now $83 before 5% off code.

    • I bought it but it hasn't been delivered yet. Tomorrow or Tuesday I think. Will update once I know.

      • thanks!
        whats your application?

        • It's one of those times when the application will have to be found when the bargain arrives ;-)

          I could swap this one over for the mislabelled one I received from a different seller. But that other seems to be doing just fine, I guess I was generous when I estimated how much I need.

          So probably for camping if I can find another good deal on a battery.

    • +3

      Just received my delivery.

      Without even opening the boxes I know that they have short-changed me too. The boxes are only 152 x 70cm and weigh about 12kg. Can't possibly hold panels that are 158 x 81 and weigh 14kg.

      I'm sure I'll get a partial refund (again). But it's annoying as hell to never get what I ordered.

      Without having tested them I guess they are 150W or 160W panels. I'll aim for 25% refund.

      • thanks for letting us know,but 90 is ok for 150w.

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