expired Lenovo ThinkPad E585 (15.6" FHD IPS/Ryzen 5 2500U/8GB DDR4/256GB NVMe) $779 Delivered @ Lenovo AU

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TL;DR Lenovo is clearing out the Ryzen Mobile 2000 series Thinkpad 15.6" E series & ShopBack AU doing 14% cashback rate on Lenovo purchases [EDIT 06/05: ShopBack's special rate finished at the end of Sunday 05/05. But CashRewards' 10% cashback rate (https://www.cashrewards.com.au/lenovo) is continuing until 11:59PM AEST May 7.] [EDIT 07/05: Lenovo is extending the $779 price until end of May 9.][EDIT 07/05 PM: looks like Lenovo has pulled the plug, E585 no more as they move further over to the E495 and E595.]

Thinkpad E585 (https://www.lenovo.com/au/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-edge/...)
15.6" IPS FHD, Ryzen 5 2500U, 8GB 2400 MHz DDR4, 256GB NVMe

$779, or $679.86 after 14% CashBack (of GST-excluded price) from ShopBack AU
$708.18 after 10% CashBack (of GST-excluded price) from CashRewards
(+ approx. $87.27 $90.91 (after cashback consideration) to upgrade to Ryzen 7 2700U)

Wireless mouse and bag can be added to cart for $1 each at check-out (Thanks to balluji)

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Lenovo is likely trying to clear out any existing stocks of the E585 as the newer E495 (with $1299 base price) and E595 (with $1399 base price) with Ryzen Mobile 3000 series APU are now available.

The E585 is a now "previous" gen product, however, as long as you are aware of the devices' capabilities and shortcomings, it is at a great value proposition at the sale price.

The main improvements of new Ryzen Mobile 3000 series are expected to be on efficiency rather than raw performance. It is expected to be ~5-10% better performing than the 2000 series (but not much in GPU), while addressing the "higher than competition" power draw at idle states. So it is expected the E495 and E595 will have improved battery life. Also, by purely looking at the spec sheet, the new E495 and E595 now have a 2x2 WiFi card (Realtek), so on paper it will have better wifi performance and experience than the E585. However, as the newer devices are new, I have found no reviews to date to see if those expectations are met. Going by historic trends, the newer E495 and E595 are more likely to be in the range of $1-1.25k with discounts of seasonal occurrence.

So with such estimation, on the performance front, the E585 gives you ~5-10% less performance, worse (~15-25% guesstimate) battery life, largely the same graphics performance, at ~30% (or better) lesser cost than the newer E495/595. (Hard to comment on the physical hardware experience, e.g. keyboard, chasis, screen etc, due to no reviews, even though they look largely the same).

If you are looking for an all-rounder device (i.e. need better graphics than intel's integrated options) in the 14-15" size range with a low budget (<$900), doesn't mind the 3-6 hours (usage dependent) battery life, proximate access to WiFi access points, this is a very good consideration. See previous posts (eg this one) for user reviews and comments.


Notes on memory upgrades (see previous deals for more detailed comments), in general, you need dual channel (i.e. two sticks of) memory to enable maximum performance:

If 8GB is sufficient for you —> get 4GBx2 config (included in price)
But if you want/will use more —> get 8GBx1 config (included in price), then buy a RAM stick separately (Lenovo's prices are exorbitant)
If 8GB is sufficient at the moment, but want to upgrade later/when needed, and happy with lower performance in the meanwhile (enough for general office, browsing and media usage, but not gaming) —> get 8GBx1 config and get RAM when you need it.
Newegg's 8GB DDR4 2400MHz SODIMM RAM single stick prices: https://www.newegg.com/global/au-en/Product/ProductList.aspx... (remember to sort by Lowest Price)

Notes on software updates:

It is recommended that you update the Chipset, and especially the Graphics drivers DIRECTLY from AMD rather than (the painfully slow) OEMs, as this fixes a lot of earlier software, driver and stability/incompatibility issues. AMD has now (since end of Feb 2019) taken over the responsibility of updating and releasing the graphics drivers from the OEMs.

Chipset: https://www.amd.com/en/support/chipsets/socket-fp5-mobile/am...
Graphics: https://www.amd.com/en/support/apu/amd-ryzen-processors/amd-...


Brief Specs:

Thinkpad E585

  • AMD Ryzen™ 5 2500U Quad-Core (4 Cores 8 Threads, 2 GHz base frequency, 3.6 GHz boost) (+$100 to upgrade to Ryzen 7 2700U, 4C/8T, 2.2 GHz base 3.8 GHz boost, Integrated Vega 10 graphics)
  • Integrated AMD Radeon™ Vega 8 Graphics
  • 15.6" FHD IPS (1920x1080) AntiGlare Display
  • 8GB DDR4 2400MHz Memory
  • 256GB Solid State Drive PCIe OPAL2.0 M.2 2242
  • Windows 10 Home 64-bit
  • WiFi Qualcomm QCNFA435AC, 1x1 + Bluetooth 4.1
  • Internal 2.5" bay (7mm) available for storage expansion. (See this comment here for a video link that shows how to access the internal 2.5 SATA3 bay)
  • 2 x USB 3.1 (1 x AlwaysOn), 1 x USB 2.0, 1 x USB 3.1 Type-C, 1x HDMI, Ethernet (RJ45), MicroSD, Combo audio/mic jack
  • Dimensions (W x D x H) 369 x 252 x 19.95 mm
  • Starting at 2.1 kg
  • 45W 3-pin USB-C AC Power Adaptor

@op: Please note deal title guidelines: price should NOT include any referral discounts or cashback (commission refunds) - include that in the deal description instead

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Comments

  • +3 votes

    45W 3-pin USB-C AC Power Adaptor

    Now that's a suprise for a <$800 laptop.

    Also, some more user reviews (I know OP did a great job summarising all aspects of the laptop):-

    This one's fairly detailed

    A Reddit user giving some numbers

    A Linux user on some forum

    Great deal OP! (Also, I wish I could give you an extra +1 for that suggestion of picking dual channel over single channel if the user is sticking to 8GB)

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      Apparently the USB-C port can be used for display as well.

      They're great laptops, here's hoping AMD can get the chips under control power usage wise.

  • +9 votes

    OP your write-up is excellent. Great information. Thanks!

  • +2 votes

    Thanks for the useful info

  • +6 votes

    Comes up with a $1 wireless mouse and kb and a $1 bag at check out.

  • +2 votes

    I agree this is a good deal at the moment, if everyone follows instructions and gets on the latest versions of firmware and drivers. this platform was rather raw when released but a lot of things got ironed out. good luck!

    as usual my 2 cents: display a bit on the dim side 250nit, and with low colour accuracy, so general purpose only.

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    Seems great specs but really wouldn't want to have to update anything Ie firmware omdrivers, chipsets out of the box …. you just want to turn it on and use especially the layman, average user, so a bit surprising.. but specs are incredible for the price!

    • +1 vote

      unfortunately that is not the case, not with AMD platform anyway. even on Intel platform it is wise to at least install latest bios and firmwares. you get more stability, battery life, performance etc. so worth the trouble. every family now needs someone tech savvy :D

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        for instance, I have a professional laptop released around the same time, and 2 months ago I received yet another BIOS update, and the day before yesterday - TB3 firmware update.

  • +1 vote

    is this better than intel Core i5-8250U?

    • +2 votes

      depends on what you do. 8250u is more power optimised, so Ryzen will throttle sooner under same workloads. Ryzen at this price represents a better value for money.

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      Definitely the 8250U is better. I use both and the Ryzen throttles constantly and runs hotter.

  • +2 votes

    +1 for the effort.

    A few comments:
    - change from 4GBx2 to 8GBx1 for free
    - all bios/chipset updates quite easy via Lenovo Vantage (not sure if it is the latest vs what AMD release). In the case of Intel chipset, it updates to the latest.
    - comes with a dummy HDD bay (empty HHD bay). Put in a 1TB mechanical HDD as cheap storage.

    • +3 votes

      change from 4GBx2 to 8GBx1 for free

      Don't unless you're adding another stick immediately. Ryzen has a decent performance drop without dual channel.

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    How does E490 ($997) compare with this? $250 more than the R7 2700 but has RX550 graphics card and 512 GB SSD.

    https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ThinkPad-E490-Notebook-Intel-Cor...

    NEW Lenovo ThinkPad E490 8th Gen Intel Core i5-8265U (4C, 1.6 / 3.9GHz, 6MB) Win10 Pro 64 14" FHD (1920x1080) IPS AMD Radeon RX 550X 2GB GDDR5 8GBx1 512GB SSD M.2 PCIe NVMe 20N8A002AU

    • +2 votes

      I saw that one as well, but due to pricing, it is kind of in the next budget bracket (of course depends on the person).

      The E490 will have generally similar performance to the i5 (although depending on application, can be better or worse), I'd expect the screen to be similar, better WiFi card, more SSD storage (but with current SSD price, i personally think consumer level 500GB NVMe worth ~$110, so only worth $55 more than the E585's 256GB), the graphics is definitely better, but it'll also run noticeably louder and definitely hotter, more power hungry, and all constrained to the 14" form factor which means it'll likely get throttled (which is commonly reported).

      It may be worth $150-$200 more than the E585, but personally, not $300+ more (cashback considered). Again, they are slightly different form factor and choose what's important to your usage case scenarios.

  • +1 vote

    Still don't know how to tag user in comments (@scrimshaw …? Not sure if this is working..), thanks for the title edit and the note =)

    • +2 votes

      no tagging function , the name@tag that you see on replies are just hotlink reference to the post that you're replying to.

      the hotlink doesn't notify the user, the reply do.
      so can't summon/tag user to notify them if they didn't post in this thread before.

  • +1 vote

    Thanks OP this was exactly what I was looking for. Also picked up a KB+M and a bag for $1 each. Shopback has already got my funds ready too cheering. Recommend everyone change the 2x4gb to 1x8gb for easy future upgrade too

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    Linux users please note. Ryzen support is still rubbish. Most distros still have powersaving/throttling/random freeze issues even with new 5.* kernel.

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    Anyone know if this puppy supports thunderbolt 3?

    • +2 votes

      I believe the USB-C port supports charging and Display (not sure if it can do both at once), but it isn't thunderbolt

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    I got this last deal, in May. Real like it as my office computer.
    Battery life isn't great though, if that's important.

  • +1 vote

    Thanks OP for great introduction! Grabbed one for my aunt with 1x8GB RAM, plus the mouse and keyboard combo + the laptop case. For office use and media, $680 after cashback for such great specs with room to upgrade RAM and storage + accessories is a no brainer!

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    can anyone tell me steps on how to get the cashback?

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    likelyhood of this being suitable for DAW/DJ work ?
    … do similar (recent) Thinkpad models have chipset and/or AMD driver issues that could affect DPC interrupts and latency ?

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      Sorry I've got no idea, and have no experience with that field of work.

      Maybe Mr Google might point some directions?

      Good luck.

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    I bought Dell 11 3000 two years ago. Its very slow now, I dont think I can upgrade anything?
    I am thinking to get this one, would this be very slow within 2 years for normal usage?

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    I bought Dell 11 3000 two years ago. Its very slow now, I dont think I can upgrade anything?
    I am thinking to get this one, would this be very slow within 2 years for normal usage?

    • +1 vote

      In terms of upgrade for your current device, it depends on what hardware configuration your Dell 11 3000 has, and which exact model of the Dell 11 3000 series.

      Let say if it is the Inspiron 11–3179 model, according to the product specification (https://www.dell.com/support/manuals/au/en/audhs1/inspiron-1...), the storage interface uses a SATA6Gbps connection that supports a SSD. So if your device is running a Hard Disk Drive (HDD), then you can still upgrade your main storage to SSD for a more responsive system. However, the memory support seems limited to only 4GB, so if your RAM is already at 4GB, then you won't be able to upgrade further.

      I'd suspect after upgrade, the Inspiron 11 3000 series device will still only be suitable for light office/productivity and media usage. Any heavy browsing or memory intensive application, it'll start to slow down or feel laggy.

      In terms of whether the ThinkPad E585 will last through the 2 years without being noticeably slowed down, it'll depend on your usage.

      The Dell 11 3000 is in a different tier in terms of product category and performance level. It is in the very entry level/low performance category. The specification of the ThinkPad E585, IMO is mainstream/mid-high tier (second highest level for ultraportable form factor, mid level for overall laptop computer chipsets). I'd expect it to last through the next 2 years, however, it is hard to predict what the next two years will bring us in terms of technology advancements. At least I don't expect it to fall as bad as the Dell 11 3000.

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        Thank you so much for your explanation. The Dell 11 I bought was https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/340255. I dont know if this worth to upgrade RAM or anything to be honest. From the research, I found people said, its not worth adding RAM. So, thats the reason I am looking a new one, and trying the avoid the same mistakes

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          Ah if that's the spec then yea there isn't really any worth while upgrades - it will still remain a very low performing device (limited by the CPU mainly. The "Pentium" in it is really more an Atom level CPU, if you've experienced it before).

          The E585 will definitely be a good upgrade over the 11 3000 series, as long as you are okay worth the different look and size.

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    Sorry I'm a noob regarding laptops in general, would this be more of a general use, office or a gaming laptop? I mainly need one for emails, browsing and watching YouTube and movies. Sometimes play civilization but not hard core gaming. My previous laptop was MacBook air that's about 6 years old before it broke down.Would this be a good replacement?

    • +1 vote

      The specification can easily handle general office and media consumption usages and gaming on low settings. Which version of civilization do you intend to play? From memory the latest version of civilization does not run very well on the low end graphics(?), but you can look up 2500U civilization performance on google to see.

      Whether it is a good replacement depends on your usage, as I see them in different category. Different weight, different size, and different colour and looks. If the laptop's capabilities and shortcomings fit fine for your intended usages and circumstances, then it is a good contender.

      Good luck.

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        Thanks for the reply, appreciate it.

        Okay yeah I get the difference now. The lightweight of the MacBook air is awesome but I don't really need to carry it around much so I guess I can go for heavier models. Colour and looks are not that important as much as price. I play the civ4 but do intend to get t he latest version when it has a sale.

        Come to think of it, would I be able to get TRS back if I travel in June?

        • +1 vote

          Actually, upon having a check, the 2500U is able to handle Civilization 6 quite well (at 1080p Low settings), see https://www.techspot.com/article/1802-amd-ryzen-mobile-drive...

          Yes, the device is eligible for TRS. Although I'd be more conservative in terms of when it'll get delivered to your door. From previous deal posts, it may take 2-4 weeks, more likely in the 2-3 weeks range, as there aren't any long public holidays in China at the moment.

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    Amazing post OP - perfect for dad who doesnt need mobility but rock solid build quality

  •  

    I purchased the e485 last deal for 650.
    Ran great out of the box. Plays subnautica well.
    Smooth and fast little beast!
    Would defs recommend.

    And you get to join the cult of ThinkPad

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    Thanks OP. Bought one,

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    Thinking about it. Would this be ok for home use like checking emails a bit of web browsing etc..

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      Mm, it will. But in very general terms, almost all modern PCs release in the past 5 years have no issues with checking emails and "a bit" of web browsing (assuming you mean purely reading ans light media consumption without opening 10+ tabs and heavy streaming)…

      So performance wise it'll be able to handle the task, but other considerations will be size weight portability and looks etc..

  • +1 vote

    So the keyboard + mouse have shipped from Hong Kong with an ETA of today somehow. And the laptop isn't slated to ship till the 9th with an ETA of the 20th?!

  • +1 vote

    Keyboard/Mouse and Bag arrived yesterday and work great (very handy having them both work off the same USB adapter). Laptop is in transit, and looks like it's flying in to Melbourne today.

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    More a news info post, Lenovo has dropped its price on the E495 and E595 range with an introductory offer:

    E495 - https://www.lenovo.com/au/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-edge/...
    From $849 ($879 for 256GB config)

    E595 - https://www.lenovo.com/au/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-edge/...
    From $909 ($939 for 256GB config)

    The prices are actually not bad as it aligns with the E485 and E585 quite well when they were first introduced.

    For comparison, the E595 here is at ~16.7% higher price for over the $779 (excl cashback) E585 sale price.

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    Got mine today in Brisbane

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