Hello,
Just putting an open discussion out there about 5G and it's level of safety in the community. There are certainly lots of interesting videos floating around claiming how the Telco's aren't being responsible and that the health effects will be truly seen in 10-15 years. I'm not scaremongering and don't have an official position on it, more just curious as to what people have heard or seen - perhaps some qualified techs could make some comment here (those doing installs etc.) Thanks.
So that's why I can never get a signal on my phone, too many people between me and the tower. Inconsiderate 5g absorbers. LOL.
Most definitely NOT safe, so leave it to others. Best stick with 2G…
Not entirely correct.
Landline on copper lines is the safest.
Home is best.
And nobody need more than 300bps at home.
Landline on copper lines is the safest.
Home is best.
what are you mad
that EMF radiation from your home electrical wires is bound to cause cancer
A landline does NOT need electricity, does NOT need electrical wires.
A home does NOT need electricity.
Geee … what a boring world it will be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@LFO: Yeah it does, the electricity is passed through the phone line itself and is low enough voltage and amperage than it can be generated and transmitted easily from the exchange. Also its DC not AC, but its still electricity
@Dr Techno: For all those missing the joke:
SBOB wrote about home electrical wires bound to cause cancer.
Hence my humorous comment that a landline doesn't need home electrical wires. So you are safe.
A landline doesn't need to be plugged in an electrical socket to work (like a cordless phone do).
So a home/house/cave/tent/cubbyhole without electricity (home electrical wires) but with a landline will work. Without electricity as an extra.
Hope this clarifies this electrifying matter.
Tricorn tin foil hats are so hot right now.
The real question is - assuming that it was unsafe/untested/unknown, do you think a Telco would roll it out to make some money?
Yes
Just my point of view based on what I read so far about the 5G issue..
Huawei is much more ahead in terms of 5G technology infrastructure and research..
American telecom industry are close to losing to Huawei in 5g race… Hence trade war and Huawei not getting android updates etc etc…
this heath issues must be a propaganda of American telecom companies + US Govt that do not have the 5G technology yet…
so they could buy time and catch up …
Being a world wide leader in 5G will provide a huge boost to China or USA GDP so getting in first is the key..
Eventually 5G will be implemented but USA will not make it easy for China to get the foot in the door.
remember when chinese 1st came out with 3G technology? same propaganda from US until it was released as open source.
then the 4G was based on 3G technology by American….. 5G on another hand was different "ground up" technology
same old tactic, US will declare 5G as "safe" if Huawei provide the decryption key to the 5G technology
remember when chinese 1st came out with 3G technology
No. 3G technology was the result of research and development work carried out by the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) in the early 1980s
The first commercial launch of 3G was by NTT DoCoMo in Japan.
Side note, does anyone ever wish they had faster than 4G+ ? I get 100Mbit on my Boost phone, assuming full Telstra 4GX is 200Mpbs?
Is it just 'faster = better'? I don't understand the use case. You can stream video on your phone with around 3-5Mpbs
Another thing. 5G range is terrible, they will need equipment on every telegraph pole for it to provide enough cover.
No responses. Just negs. Thanks OzB.
I do agree - I find no need for 5G, 4G is fast enough but eventually 5G will be a norm for network speed. Websites will get more media rich, devices will get higher resolution displays and 4G bandwidth just won't cut it.
Same way as websites used to be much simpler in the dial up days, trying to load the same website now on dial up would take a million times longer
Sure - but wouldn't it be better to focus then on range over speed?
Mobile screen res is already retina, better than our eyes can see. But yes VR / AR etc, who knows. Maybe even connecting your Smart TV to 5G etc.
I just don't see the demand for it… yet.
but wouldn't it be better to focus then on range over speed?
Range is determined by frequency.
5G uses higher frequency so the range will be shorter, there's nothing you can do to change that.
Maybe even connecting your Smart TV to 5G etc.
Huawei is apparently developing one.
TV broadcast over 5G is also being looked at.
@MementoMori: This real world test agrees. 417Mbps in Sydney.
https://www.crn.com.au/news/crn-tests-real-world-5g-its-very…
Faster theoretical service = faster real world service for more customers.
One of the key selling features of 5G is that it will power the Internet of Things…
Each Thing is an extra "user".
The 4G network would be overwhelmed rapidly if IoT takes off. It already struggles in areas of high density.
yeah with ssm we have 52 new genders so the internet of things is going to address them all! No more drivers in vehicles just smartphone junkies in the gutters. Every solar panel will be telling every other one where there would have been some sunshine if them new towers would not cast shades over them…
say what??
Is it just 'faster = better
It is better for the carrier, not you.
The faster you get the data you need, the less time you are on the network, the more people can be served by the network. This means a lower requirement for more network spectrum (which is expensive)
This is because mobile access is TDMA
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-division_multiple_acces…
Faster speeds benifit the carrier more than you.
Ahhh! Thanks. Finally, one good reason.
Very unsafe!
In particular when Chinese Huawei are the very best and most advanced in 5G technology.
Very very unsafe.
No good for you.
/sarcasms off
Well Huawei are gone so it's probably safer
First it was microwaves, then it was mobile phones, then wifi, then 5G and now flying cars.
pretty sure these anti-5G-ers are ( or majority ) also anti-vaxxers ….. so go figure…. they would be happily living in medieval age -
Careful. Heard 5G causes smallpox.
The government says it is safe. It says winds turbines don't produces low frequncy noise which are injurious to the health of people who live nearby. It says vaccinations are 100% safe. It says nuclear power plants are a lot more harmful to the environment than coal powered ones. It said the planet was boiling and there would be no polar ice by 2012, and polar bears would be extinct.
The truth is, children are getting sicker, fatter, and dumber (more need remedial education, more are autistic). Male fertility is dropping (sperm counts down by 2.5% a year, by 2040 most males will be unable to impregnate a woman). This is happening for a reason. There is a cause. Something or a combination of things in our environment is making us sick.
Ask yourself: when has the govenmnet been right about anything? The govenment (bureaucrats + polticians) are compulisve liars; truth is an alien concept to them. Ask yourself, cell phone radiation deniers, how would you feel if the nanny state built a big cellular phone tower right in your yard, or on top of the apartment building next to you? Would you be uncomfortable with that?
No, this is how old superstitious started. A comet flies over a village, and then all the crops get eaten by bugs.
Must have been the comet!
children are getting dumber
Actually, someone who scores 100 on an IQ test today, is smarter than someone who scored 100 50 years ago.
fatter
You're right that children are getting fatter. But did you notice the activities of children today are vastly different from those of children 50 years ago? Their diets are quite different as well. There is plenty of research out there which shows us that a sedentary lifestyle, and low nutrition, high carb foods cause obesity. This has nothing to do with wifi or 5g.
The same dietary and activity changes can be observed in adults. More office workers sitting down all day, going home and watching TV until they fall asleep, staying up later playing with their phones, eating more fast food. Perhaps this could be contributing to:
sperm counts down by 2.5% a year
(spoiler alert: you can find research which shows this to be correlated)
As for your conclusion:
how would you feel if the nanny state built a big cellular phone tower right in your yard
I'd have a problem with it because it's my yard, and a cell tower would reduce what I can do with the place (if I actually had a back yard).
or on top of the apartment building next to you
Wouldn't bother me, great reception :)
And no, children are not getting sicker, and the average lifespan is increasing.
Where are you getting your information from? It seems like you're being mislead.
Ask yourself: when has the govenmnet been right about anything? The govenment (bureaucrats + polticians) are compulisve liars; truth is an alien concept to them.
You are right. The government is lying. Children are actually getting smarter, healthier and leaner. Male fertility is actually at an all time high. Any stat showing otherwise is actually a front for "the government"
See the problem with binary conspiracy thinking? Show me your 'credible' source of information and I can make up a conspiracy which shows your source is corrupted. All it would take is using language you are comfortable with and presenting myself as someone who fits into your echo chamber.
"Ask yourself: when has the govenmnet been right about anything"
When has a government been right about anything? Well, let's try the shape of the Earth for a basic example:
https://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/5-8/features/nasa-…
Look at all those lies. Everything this government run agency says is not true. The Earth is Flat! /s
This whole thing falls down when you talk about the government like it is a homogenous, well-led group all in on the same conspiracy when it's just not. Far more frightening is that there is no real leadership, there is only moment to moment popularizing. The government changes every 4 years, they have conflict even within their ranks - so arguing that their arguments are somehow lies just makes no sense, it's just different people saying different things over time and anyone can pull out a single data point and say "SEE?! THEY WERE LYING!"
I do want to pull out one point though - about male fertility (although good god man "males will be unable to impregnate a woman", we're not zoo animals jesus). There is some work being done on declining male fertility and we are thinking it's due to high rates of plastics and microplastics getting into the water supply. Some of them are structurally very similar to estrogens. I don't think by 2040 there'll be a huge dropoff, although in America the birthrate is plummeting (it has nothing to do with fertility though).
I don't think you can say 'the government' like it's a single entity. Your diatribe has a lot of incorrect misinformation in it and it makes me wonder, what do you get out of those beliefs you have there? And are you okay? That's some pretty paranoid stuff.
5G is turning the frogs gay!
can we vote?
Saul bulschett
Let's switch back to dial up.
Sounds good to me. Can't get enough of that dial up connection sound.
Praying to my modem and/or patting it for the connects.
The messy cabling of 5G deployment could be unsafe
You will all die from obesity-related diseases (heart attacks, diabetes) before your phones will kill you.
I’m selling Tin Foil hats for $199.
Hurry before they sell out.
Inquire here
Any RF specialist come out and clarify?
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whats to clarify… these arent 'new' frequencies…
its not like they somehow invented some new frequency range that have never been thought of before
https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-18/5g-phone-network-e…
This article is a bit old, but I attended the public lecture at Griffith Uni that it refers to. Half it was very convincing and half of it sounded like a conspiracy theory. They claimed that the government was stamping out any cell tower and any mobile phone related research into these effects you have concerns about. There was also a book full of these conspiracy theories they were selling but I don’t recall what it was called.
Meh…In the highly unlikely event that these rumours are true, I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.
The truth about mobile phone and wireless radiation: what we know, what we need to find out, and what you can do now" Presented by Dr Devra Davis, Visiting Professor of Medicine at the Hebrew University Hadassah Medical School, and Visiting Professor of Medicine at Ondokuz Mayis University, Turkey.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwyDCHf5iCY&feature=share&fb…
It is safe, any technology is safe depends how you use it. Like gunpowder, you can turn it into beautiful fireworks or deadly weapon.
Aussie scientists just completed their tests. 4G is worse than 5G
NON-IONISING RADIATION does NOT give you cancer!
any radiation (minor heat) from the 5g phones/towers will be absorbed by your skin, that is it.