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Raspberry Pi 4 Model B 2GB $59 + Delivery @ Core Electronics

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This is the new ongoing price of the 2GB model, they’ve dropped it to the old price of the 1GB model. Core-electronics were quick on changing to the new price though.

I’d been undecided about buying a 1GB for a while now, attractive price but wasn’t sure if enough memory. Dilemma no more.

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  • +2 votes

    What are you going to use it for?

    • +9 votes

      Actually been playing around with dietpi on an old Pi, with Pi hole and WireGuard, so my mobile devices have ad blocking on the go and access to network resources etc. but noticed it’s not been running too great, think it overheated so been looking to replace it.

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        How reliable is WireGuard compare to OpenVPN or Zerotier?

        • +3 votes

          I’m not a security expert so I can’t comment on that aspect but from what I can tell, so far delivers on what it promises… it’s lightweight and throughput efficient.
          I know it’s being included in the next Linux kernel release, so for me that speaks to the standard of the code.

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            @PabloProuty: Thanks,

            Never got into Raspberry Pi, been running Pi hole and OpenVPN via dockers.
            At this price, maybe I will have a go.

            • +1 vote

              @vash12: Check out diet pi, makes a lot of little projects much easier to get going and it’s super lightweight.

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        Try switching out your SD card, sometimes the cheaper ones go funky after a while

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        How effective is your PiHole setup? I gave it a try but found it does nothing for Youtube.

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          I use it, works well - yes, it doesn't work for Youtube but it's not really designed to block Youtube ads

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            @bdl: What really? Wow almost bought a one just for Youtube ads. No other real need for Pihole.

            • +2 votes

              @amrdeus: The problem is that YouTube ads get served from the same place as YouTube videos so it’s really hard to tell what’s an ad and what’s not. There are a few block lists for pihole that will block a fair amount but it’s hit and miss. It’s still been well worth it for blocking ads everywhere else.

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                @thegieche: This is where i just Upped my game and do 'MITM' (Man in the middle) attack on my connection. Packet Inspection of all secure traffic to catch the ads and block them.

                Works wonders.

                (easy with Untangled, but a free alternative is OpenWRT)

            • +1 vote

              @amrdeus: Get a YouTube premium account via India for that

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              @amrdeus: Get an App called "YouTube vanced" no ads👍

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        Which VPNs support WireGuard? I'm running Nord on Dietpi but haven't looked into WireGuard yet

    • +2 votes

      Windows 10?

    • +7 votes

      I have a Zero-W and a 3B+. The Zero-W runs Node-RED and handles a ton of home automation connections that simply aren't possible with IFTTT, as well as allowing variable data to be saved and retrieved later between various automation flows. It also removes the requirement for an internet connection from all of my timer-based automations, in the event the internet is down.

      The 3B+ runs, of all things, Android. There's a free fork of LineageOS that is designed to be run on a Pi. It is pretty slow, and I wouldn't use it for anything other than automations. The only reason I run it is because there's a few systems and devices I have that connect to Android via Bluetooth and are only controllable through their app. I use Tasker and AutoInput to record opening the app, tapping and toggling the required functions, then closing the app. I can then call upon this macro via a script. The two Pi's work together to augment my home automation, and heartbeat each other to ensure they're both alive - I get alerts if either one doesn't respond after repeated attempts.

      • -2 votes

        simply aren't possible with IFTTT

        Is there an IFTTT applet for OzBargain?

        • +1 vote

          If bargain Then buy

    • +5 votes

      I have two 4GB ones, one running libreelec/ Kodi and plugged into the TV. The other is headless, running dietpi as OS and runs various media related applications such as Radarr, Sonarr, Jackett. I am also using it for Pihole to block ads as well as a jellyfin server. Its also downloads torrents and serves as my books server too.
      Both are on 24/7 and cased in cheap plastic casings with fans. No heat issues, esp after the firmware upgrade. Both have "Endurance" sd cards in them just in case.
      I have another 3b version lying around. Plan to do a smart mirror with that. Lets see.

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        How does the Kodi one do with decoding .mkv files or H265?

        • +1 vote

          Works fine, at least 1080p and 720p content. Not sure though if 4k HEVC will work. Not an expert on these things :)

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            @Sfh1975: blocks the banner ads on youtube for me.

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            @Sfh1975: FYI - Running LibreElec on a RPi4 4GB w/ 4K H265/HEVC here, over WiFi, perfectly… It's a wondrous thing to behold TBH.

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              @ryang: That's good :) Will give it a try.

    • +1 vote

      What are you going to use it for?

      Asterisk and Lenny.

    • +1 vote

      I have it setup to run home-assistant (hass.io) along with pi-hole and OpenDNS.
      also tried nextcloud for self-hosted cloud storage and related apps ( attempt at de-googling my digital life), but that was stretching the limits a bit.

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      And phone charger is fine :)

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      other than smarthome-server, pihole, torrentbox, small-nas, im using it to test OpenWrt and docker container stuff.

  • +4 votes

    to buy or not to buy….

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      that is the question…

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      Where else to choose to buy from?

      Farrell's "Element 14" has this for 58.34 incl GST

      If you you need lots, for a product, they may have lower prices, depending on Qty ordered.

      Ordering a few together can reduce per-unit Shipping.

      Friends can save $$ & maybe help each other as they design.

      • +2 votes

        I bought some V1.2 2GB boards with free delivery for $53.52 each from seeed

        Free delivery was only possible because I "needed" a Pi camera and used this code "pi2g"

        https://www.seeedstudio.com/Raspberry-Pi-4-Computer-Model-B-...

        I was able to add other items to the cart and still get free delivery.

        • +1 vote

          Fyi, ours are 1.2 as well. The cut-over occurred back in early December

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            @CoreElectronics: So it turns out there are still some dribs of 1.1 stock arriving from the UK, though 1.2 is well in-motion.

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        Core electronics is a good shop to support, at least for all they workshops and learning material effort.

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    Will this be good to turn my tv into a video call screen (i.e. for video call meeting room)?
    To be used with a video cam and video call services like "Microsoft Teams"

    • +1 vote

      I believe teams specifically is a work in progress

    • +4 votes

      I'd be buying supported, plug and play, off the shelf hardware if you want to use teams and need to ask this question.

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      might be better off with a very small PC as you might want to integrate with Exchange and you can get a meeting room license for screens …..

  • -2 votes

    Based on pi3, these will be about $35 in 2-3 months.

    Jesus this stuff gets cheap quick.

    • +9 votes

      Thanks OP finally bought my fir…

      oh :(

    • +14 votes

      Don't know what you are talking about, it's rare for prices of these to change.

  • +10 votes

    Are they the new SKU where the USB C Power Delivery issue is fixed? Version 1.2 I believe according to forums online.

    • +2 votes

      I've been unable to verify it, but it looks like the standard memory doubled now with the new revision that includes the usb-c fix.

    • +2 votes

      I feel like they'd still have stock of the pre-revision boards.

    • +2 votes

      The new board doesn't even have the updated revision number silkscreened on, let alone a new SKU AFAIK.

    • +7 votes

      Just messaged Core Electronics to clarify, and all their stock are the new revision with USB C PD fix. :)

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        Cheers for doing the leg-work :)

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      Fyi, we only have 1.2 version boards these days (has been the case for quite a while now)

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        S0 it turns out there are still some dribs of 1.1 stock arriving from the UK, though 1.2 is well in-motion.

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    I used my Pi 3 for retropi but some games the fps drops pretty bad like Super Smash and golden eye wonder if the extra ram would help or it's more to do with the gpu/cpu

    • +3 votes

      Well the pi4 is many times faster as well

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      It's well known that any Pi before the 3 cannot handle N64 well. I believe the 4 can handle N64 and beyond pretty well.

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        can you have multiple bluetooth controllers with retropie or do you need to use wired ones?

        • +2 votes

          Can do multiple. I have 2x 8Bitdo's on my Retro Pie.

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    Note that the Pi4 has a tenancy to build up heat and self-throttle if it is pushed hard for long periods of time. You may require active cooling if you intend to stress the Pi.

    With a 3B+ and below, you can generally get away with simple heatsinks, though it is of course significantly less powerful.

    • +1 vote

      They fixed this via firmware updates didn't they?

      Or at least put a remedy in to try and stop the extreme heat buildup.

    • +1 vote

      Are you saying I would have to buy an Argon ONE case?

      What. A. Shame.

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        It's a nice looking case isn't it. I've got a Pi4 and an Argon in my cart waiting until I can think up a reason to buy it.

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          I literally did the same just after my last post + official psu + the minihdmi cable. $150ish but…. no reason to own one

      • +1 vote

        It's such a good case!

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          I picked up the Argon ONE case after seeing it mentioned a few times online. Using RPI-Monitor on my DietPi install of Pi-hole has allowed the temperatures to be monitored. Mounting the Argon ONE vertically seems to help the airflow. The hottest temperature that I've recorded over summer is 45 C.

          The only downside with this case, which I have only recently found out is the power button. The button provides a range of shut-down options, but it appears as though it must be pressed to start the Pi. An extended power outage recently ran my UPS down and the attached devices appeared to have shutdown nicely. After returning home several hours later, I had all sorts of network issues as the Pi-hole was off. Only after changing out the POE adapter for another, and then returning the original power supply was the power button noticed. Testing proved all POE adapters and the power supply work after shutting down, removing the power and pressing the power button. Much searching has found 1 other person with the same issue and no solutions.

          How do you automatically re-start a Raspberry pi in the Argon ONE case? My network needs an answer.

          • +1 vote

            @NatDan: TBH - use a different case, or remove the power button circuit (if at all possible). These kinds of circuits are designed to work like an old school power button, so it won't even auto-power on..

    • +1 vote

      FLIRC Passive Cooled Pi Case is meant to be very good, no need for active cooling.

  • +4 votes

    This isnt a once off special deal …..pi foundation have changed pricing structure so this new 2gb for old price of 1gb will be a permanent thing ….so its more who has best deal inc delivery under new pricing structure e.g little bird, element 14, core, etc. For the v1.2.

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    how much are these normally?

    • +2 votes

      This new pricing is about $20 better value. Then again, the technology is getting older and maybe a plus model will be released.

        • +3 votes

          Who cares, people want something smaller than even an SFF PC that draws less power.

          • +2 votes

            @smartazz104: especially if running as a torrent server or torrent client …..much lower power bill than running a PC 24x7.

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    Thanks OP!

  • -2 votes

    For that price it should be 4GB model.. The thing is when you add a HDMI cable, proper 2 amp charger, pi case it end up being more like $80-90.

    • +1 vote

      Nah man it should be $19.99.

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    I strongly recommend using Libreelec , it's an incredible piece of work making even a raspberry pi 3a very competent htpc.

    Bear in mind using the pi4 over the 3 you'll need a USB C charger, microhdmi to HDMI adapter.

    If you buy one of these and only run pihole on it, you're wasting money

  • +1 vote
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      Was going to ask the same thing… This is the dumb cable/charger only version?

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        Yes, but honestly, it doesn't really matter. The issue is that you cannot use Apple / Samsung USB-C to USB-C cable on this version. Thing is, why would you do that? The Apple cable is $29. Chances are you would use a cheap USB-C to USB-C cable (or if you really want to save and don't really intend to use all 3A, then USB-C to USB-A cable).

        Sure, the reviewers would find this issue because they tend to have the Apple (or Samsung) cable. Also, if you elect to get the official power adapter, the cable is on the adapter itself. Part of the issue with USB-C is that USB-C/PD chargers are expensive (even for cheap ones) and this device doesn't use USB-PD.

        At the end of the day, if you prefer to use a proper USB-C to USB-C which adhere to USB-PD standard on R Pi 4 (which doesn't actually use USB-PD), then you want the new minor revision. However, most people would probably use those cables on their laptops, or their expensive Galaxy Note 10 or S20.

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          It's probably more of a thing for people who take it on the road, it might be the only cable you have on you is the one for a laptop / ipad etc, if you weren't expecting it then it could be a disappointment. I'm sure it's not much of a problem for most people currently, I'm sure the more expensive cables will get more prevalent though, and it just helps a tiny bit being able to pick up any cable rather than 'not that cable'. I've already got a collection of 5-6 'expensive' USB-C / Thunderbolt 3 cables and no cheap ones yet.

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            @jkart: The question is really which power supply you intend to use with R Pi 4. You are not going to use an Apple or Samsung charger because an Apple or a Samsung charger itself is already close to the price of this (if not higher). If you opted for official R Pi 4 charger, then the cable is a non-issue (it has the cable soldered on already).

            Sharing charger and cable from a laptop, even on the go, doesn't make sense for R Pi 4. This thing needs constant power. This whole USB-C cable, chargers are interchangeable is more marketing hype. While most of the time, you might be able to mix and match, it does come at a cost. The Apple 29W charger is an odd one (which doesn't work well with non-Apple devices). Samsung is now opting for USB-PD 3.0/PPS (which a lot of cables won't be compatible; not to mention you want a charger that supports PPS). Apple have multiple revisions of 61W, 87W chargers (with newer revisions supporting having more voltage choices) and even those don't support PPS.

            The USB-C cable situation is currently a big mess. In general, most cables are either good for power, or good for data (with cables good for data may be average or out of specs for power) but not both (because that would cost too much). Apple USB-C cables are only designed for power (with data stuck on USB 2.0). You can go for Apple TB3 cables - but those are for data.

            Bottom line is that if you have gone the cheap route on R Pi 4 power supply, it is just silly to use an expensive cable with it. Also, if you can afford a MPB or a newish laptop with USB-C/PD, you certainly can just buy the original R Pi 4 power supply. R Pi 4 doesn't use PD at all, it merely uses the 5V pins part of USB-C.

            • +1 vote

              @netsurfer: I know this isn't the biggest deal in the world, but I already have several of the expensive chargers and cables and none of the cheap ones, if it's expense you're arguing of, accept that sometimes it can be cheaper to use what you have.

              Agreed that USB-C is a mess. I have ones that can do thunderbolt 3, several that are USB 3.x gen 2 and one that is USB 2 (Apple). Fortunately all do PD so I can pick any for any of my devices. TB3 cables aren't just for data, you can throw 100W of power down them, but TB3 cables are way more expensive and have a short maximum length. Fortunately all the ones I've bought indicate that they're TB3 cables on them so you don't use another cable when you need TB3. I wish all USB-C cables had mandatory data rate and max power delivery required to be marked on them to meet spec TBH.

              In order to avoid making the USB-C mess worse, I try and avoid buying any cable that can't do USB 3.x Gen 2 and 100W PD at a minimum that way I just never end up scratching my head wondering why that cable isn't working. Obviously with the PI you can avoid this by spending a mere $15 more and buying the original charger as it's permanently attached.

              Note my other chargers are from iPad Pros etc which also do PD. And there's a bunch of multi-device generic chargers which are ~$30-50 that do PD as well.

              There'll be one day in the future when (other) people have plenty of these PD cables and adapters spare, fortunately they've fixed the Pi 4 already so it won't be an issue unless you've already got one.

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                @jkart: Expensive chargers - honestly, unless they are original branded ones (Apple, Samsung, Google), are they really worth it?

                It comes down to the charger. The device only supports 5V, any USB-PD charger is essentially a waste. Bottom line is RPi 4 does not support PD.

                The main issue with USB-C is that you get the impression that just mix them up and they all work. However, when you actually check the meters, you will find that the devices consistently charge faster with original cable and adapter.

                Not so pleasant examples:

                • Let's use once heavily discounted Apple 29W USB-C charger on RPi 4? Oops, that Apple charger does not support 5V 3A.
                • With Apple not releasing any USB-C/3.x gen 2 cables, you are often left with 3rd party cables. So, which ones are correctly e-marked? Do they support both PDO and PPS?
                • Amazon Basics USB-IF certified cables - they do play up and don't always run in USB-PD mode consistently.
                • Do Apple USB-C cables support both PDO and PPS? Apple don't use PPS at the moment. Is it okay to use Apple USB-C cables on devices which use USB-PD/PPS.
                • The revised Apple USB-C digial AV adapter, while it fixed the 4K 60Hz issue somewhat, could still have issues with certain Macbook Pro 13 inch models. And, if you have the older revision of the adapter, forget 4K 60Hz, it is not supported at all.
                • USB-C monitors, some if not most (included Apple recommended one) have bandwidth issues which resulted in ports on the monitors only support USB 2.0 mode when running on USB-C connection.
                • Apple USB-C to lightning cable 1m version, the newer one received a downgrade. Old one supports USB 3.0, new one is a cost cutting version - 2.0 only.

                Honestly, USB-C has a lot of more serious issues than this RPi 4 not supporting USB-PD. As for bringing RPi 4 while on the go or travelling… I don't know how realistic that is. It is a slow device and it has some uses at home. On the go, I really don't see it being useful.

                Assuming the USB-C cable and charger mess is eventually cleaned up, by then, at least RPi 5 would be released.

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                @jkart: All you need is a USB-C/USB-C cable without the e-marking chip, which is basically the majority of USB-C/USB-C USB 2.0 cable except the Apple (and maybe Samsung) one.

                Just go to Coles, Woolworth, Target, K-Mart or Daiso and get a cheap USB-C/USB-C cable.. I don't think it is that hard or a huge problem.

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                  @netsurfer:

                  I don't think it is that hard or a huge problem.

                  That's exactly what I just said.

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    Anyone found the zero W in stock?

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      A little off-topic to the deal, though FYI we ought to have a few thousand in April. There has been an international shortage due to component sourcing delays. We're on it though!