It's finally happening… I'm waiting to get the 3000!!!
MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Ventus GP OC 11GB $1099, Normally $1899
MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Gaming X Trio 11GB $1249, Normally $2079
MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Gaming Z Trio OC 11GB $1299, Normally $2099
ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 2080 Ti OC 11GB $1299, Normally $2349
@kaleidoscope: I don't think you get it - just because something is going on sale for $X price doesn't mean that you'll actually be able to get it. Not a gambling man, or just not willing to stand behind your opinions?
I remember the 2080 ti launch, i sat here dreaming i could hit the buy button but sadly didn't have the spare money then.
Was plenty of time to hit buy and i wasn't even waiting around for it just poped up on my facebook feed from Mwave, PCCG etc, this time ill be at my PC ALL day refreshing whatever stores sites waiting.
Whether i get one or not on launch/preorder day it doesn't matter im not spending $1200 on old tech.
Was plenty of time to hit buy and i wasn't even waiting around for it just poped up on my facebook feed from Mwave, PCCG etc, this time ill be at my PC ALL day refreshing whatever stores sites waiting.
Well best of luck to you. I don't doubt there will be 3080's available on launch day, but likely they'll be 30 - 40% higher than MSRP. Anyway, I'm ready to buy and so are many other people.
This is Australia, i fully expect inflated prices here.
All day? Mate, if you don't get on it at 12:01am I doubt you'd get one
Thanks mate. Your post made me keep my 2080ti. I believe in the same.
Yeah you should either sell yours before the announcement or wait after launch date, rn the market is have way too high expectation for these 3000s cards and people believe that they will be able to get the stuff soon so there is no bargaining power for you.
Once 3080 gets sold out in a few hours, I think you should be able to sell yours 2080 ti for $1.2k+ since even now, they're going for $1k+ on eBay
Yep agree with all this. I mean I'd love nothing more than to be wrong but anticipate severe stock shortages and price gouging. Heck is gouge if I got some of the first stock in the country and were a retailer.
I mean I'd love nothing more than to be wrong but anticipate severe stock shortages and price gouging.
Yep.
3 series around the corner
No chance you'll get one before March 2021 if not later.
I'm willing to take my chances
MAR 2021?….funny…
2080 TI launched in September 2018. Supposed to be $1200 USD MSRP.
https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B07HWMDDMK?context=searc…
https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B07GJ3ZD69?context=searc…
Didn't hit the $1300-ish range until May 2018, 7 months later.
March 2021 to get your hands on a 3070/3080 for close to the MSRP is being kind. If you get one, you get one, if you don't, you don't. Just saying it like it is.
@p1 ama: for double RTcores and cuda cores and similar price, worthy to wait and pay a little bit more…. reckon 2080ti only has 4xxx old cuda cores, 3080 has 87xx newer cuda cores….. really no need to argue at this point, though understand some people just bought 2080s/ti
@pc6673: Never told you to buy a 2080 Ti, just said that you'd be waiting a while for the 3070 and 3080 to have wide availability and reasonable prices. That's all. Don't take what I say out of context, don't blind yourself with hype.
@p1 ama: Yes but 2000 series had major yield problems, there were shortages because the factory struggled to make them.
Which is the whole reason 3000 series is half the price, supposedly the manufacture change has resolved that and the factory can output at full capacity.
They also do have a major incentive to sell them before the new consoles, NVIDIA is in a fight for survival, they can't let customers jump to console.
Yes but 2000 series had major yield problems, there were shortages because the factory struggled to make them.
Which is the whole reason 3000 series is half the price, supposedly the manufacture change has resolved that and the factory can output at full capacity.
Nope. 2000 series is on TSMC 12nm FinFet, which is a very mature node and is an evolution of their 16nm FinFet process. 3000 series is on Samsung.
Plenty of known yield issues at Samsung. The only reason NVIDIA is going with Samsung is because of their much better prices vs TSMC. I'd also assume that TSMC's 7nm process is mostly at capacity due to high demand for Ryzen 3000 parts.
Anyway, no your comment is just wrong.
Wow! I think this is still a bit too expensive but just think what this will do to used prices. A second-hand 2080 Ti around the $700 mark would be pretty good value to given the reportedly limited stock for the 3000-series cards.
Realistically what happens with the stock that doesnt sell? Surely theres an absolute shit ton of 20 series cards still sitting in warehouses..
Bought a second hand 2080ti recently for 800. Time to wait for 3070 benchmarks to validate my decision haha
I dont understand this price jacking trend these days.While everyone is excited that 3000 series is not going to follow that trend all I can think is its just normal price. Nvidia shouldnt be praised for this.
This is affecting mobiles too as google released phone at normal price and got good reviews for just that.
I know 'normal price' may be different for everyone but when is it okay to pay $2000 for phone or graphics card?
When you can sell it 2-3 years later and still only cop a few hundred loss
lol
That's overpriced for sure
Just bought 3 to add onto my small farm. Already have 4 1080 Ti's that I was lucky to snag for $1000 from a year ago. Thanks OP!
Not good enough. Plus Ventus series has no fan stop and noisey.
Not sure why neg you. It's true any lower might be under cost, but that's the risk of business…
3070 will be better performance so it should be lower than 3070 RRP to make sense
I just upgraded to the 2080 super from 2070 three months ago, and I'm happy with it, not in a hurry or need for the 2080ti or the new 3000 series. I barely buy any pc hardware at launch, they are unnecessarily expensive.
What I do is usually wait for one or two years until it's on sale, even so I would still consider if the price is right for me.
Just couldn't put up with people who don't really need to upgrade yet still waste heaps of money on them.
I just upgraded to the 2080 super from 2070
Just couldn't put up with people who don't really need to upgrade yet still waste heaps of money on them.
hmmm
Haha some loser brats couldn't accept the truth and downvoted me.
Is it worth selling my near New MSI RTX 2060 Super ventus GP 8gb for around $500 now and get over of these new cards or a cheap 2080 in the near future?
Deciding whether to return a ASUS RX580 8GB Dual OC I got for $200, and to be honest it would do me for a while for productivity and light gaming.
RTX 3070 seems like a good upgrade, won't fit cards longer than ~300-310mm in with 2x 140mm fans
Thanks
I have seen 2070super selling for $500 around my area (Marketplace), so you would be lucky getting $500 for 2060S… then again 2nd hand price might go even lower depending on 3000 series and RDNA2 availability…
If you are happy with RX580 then keep it for now and try to sell 2060S ASAP.
Then again, who am I to give you advice, I am still rocking a GTX1060 waiting for a RTX3060 :D
Yeah I just want to save some losses, but hardly play any games so far so the RX580 would probably be fine (still unopened).
Was thinking a 2070/80 super would be as good as i ever needed but the 3070 sounds good, probably a way off still.
Still need to get rid of a HD6950 too :P
Cheers,
got an offer already within 10mins of listing, $400 bit cheap $450 would be ok
Just a few weeks ago I sold my MSI RTX 2060 Super Ventus for $600 on ebay so its doable.
True, will give it a bit of time.. Have asked for $500 which is still a good deal and reasonable.
I haven't tried fb market place yet, usually get bombarded and low ball offers half the time, lot better than gumtree though..
Rather put a realistic price than inflated even though you get a lot of lower offers.
Not long ago the cheapest was about $760 new, and MSI is solid, wouldn't go for an entry level Galax eg.
@G-rig: PS that was a few weeks ago, now after the New card price releases the offers are less (best I got was 400$ so not worth giving it away and paid $490)
No, I have a 2060. No point buying anything like 2080 because even 2080ti gets demolished by the 3070. No one will sell you a 2080ti for $700 which is about what they are worth now. But it depends on your resolution, I need to push ultrawide 1600p.
But yeah, light gaming, it depends. I'm going back at the moment and playing Bioshock Infinite which is a 2013 game.
Agree, unless they were cheaper prob wouldn't bother with new but some second hand deals could be ok.
I'm yet to buy/play any modern games, at most have tried Titanfall2, FC3, installed GTA5 not really played yet.
I take it the RX580 would be fine for all those, i have a Dell s3220dgf (1440p high refresh 165Hz) so Freesync prob fine.
It's more for productivity and light gaming so could hold out.
Matter of selling 2060 super for simialr to what I paid ($500) and keep RX580 ($200) or return it , still not opened.
What is this 2080ti being demolished by 3070. This misinformation needs to stop
Nvidia's own marketing slide has them at equal footing . Biggest number i've seen based on random internet calculations is +7% in favour of the 3070, but lets see the reviews over a large 30-40 + game sample (prediction - the non cherry picked games will have smaller increases than what we are seeing currently)
Even if its 7% with 3gb less vram, that's far from being 'demolished'
I'm a complete "noob" when it comes to PC gaming but even I know that the new 3 series cards are going to be a better value for money purchase. You would be stupid to buy a 2080ti or less at the moment. Honestly, I think I might build a gaming pc in late Nov/Dec
Is it worth upgrading my 2080S (purchased 12 months ago) to a 3070?
Ryzen 5 3600X
16 gigs RAM
Alienware AW3418DW
It depends on what you can get for it right now, but the performance difference shouldn't be high enough to justify that you might need a new PSU because the 3070 uses a new power cable. Even modular PSU's each have different standard connections so it's hard to just buy a replacement cable.
I would consider looking at 32GB 3200Mhz+ RAM given how good the pricing has been lately, will see improvements on Ryzen and 16GB is close enough to bottlenecking some games on high settings already. I have seen Far Cry 5 need a tad more than 16GB.
But unless you can get a good price on your 2080S it won't be worth the effort, it's already overkill.
The nvidia founders cards use 12 pin connectors but come included with an adapter cable from 2x 8pins to the 12pin in the box. We can't buy the founders in Australia though.
All the other manufacturers of rtx 30 series are using either 2 or 3 8 pin connectors on their cards.
Therefore you won't need to worry about psu cable connectors or needing a new psu. Unless you're worried about provided watts on your current psu. But, even then, 650W is listed for 3070 and 750w for the others. Not insane requirements.
I personally won't upgrade from 2080S to 3070, maybe 3080 but definitely not 3070 unless there are solid benchmarks justfies the upgrade
Your 2080S would do just fine. Some of the tech they announced such as directstorage won’t even be available to developers until late next year, so upgrading just for few fps gain is not really worthwhile considering 2080S supports lot of the features of 30 series (rt/ dlss) that aren’t even fully utilised by developers yet.
I got a 1660 Super for A$350 new a couple months ago when my RX570 died, knew it was going to be a while on RMA with Gigabyte and 7 weeks later it's not back yet.
The 1660 Super Turing card performs at 52% the 2080ti, at 1080p/75Hz there isn't a game that doesn't run at Ultra Vsync capped, generally 100fps.
I don't know if I would consider the 3070 with the power cable changes, but I'd consider the 3060 later into the gen if it was available sub $450 new.
If I had paid market rates for the desired mid cards, I wouldn't have seen any differences in performance without major monitor upgrades that I honestly don't feel like I need. I'll pick up a 1440p/144Hz when they are readily available for a good price, which will happen as it always does, just got to factor the $/value which everyone on this site should be doing.
Refer to my comment a couple above here about power cables for rtx 30 series.
LOL nearly 100 upvotes. Anyone not waiting for the 3000 series at this point is crazy.
I'll bet a tenner that 2080 Ti will sell for $1.2k+ post 3080 launch
Me too. It's just not possible they'll have enough stock to cover everyone, the demand for the 3000 series is so bad they're not even taking preorders.
Not a fair comparison. 3070 > 2080ti. So should be lower than 3070. Since the 3070 and 2070 originally listed for the same USD RRP. One can assume $899AUD for 3070 is fair.
Price of 2080ti needs to be $899 or less
it's not about whether the comparison is fair, it's about availability and which model are we talking about since there would be about a$150 difference between the top and bottom tier model for the 3070
also if you look at past selling prices, 2070 super and 1080 ti are fairly similar but people are willing to pay more for the 1080ti
I want to know if the shop is copping the loss in the price drop or manufacture will rebate the loss?
If you buy a new 2x series now you have rocks in your head. Ebay is filled with cheap used 1080ti, 2070s, 2080, 2080s. Grab a used bargain now if you need something immediately.
Not really. Sellers still expecting 800 for a 2080 non super. Ridiculous
Have seen quite a few for 675-700
Not for 2080. Ive seen 2070s for around there and even then that's still too high for second hand
@mordinhoz: Nah, 2080s (non-super). The 1080ti is going for like $550 - $600 frequently so an extra $100-$150 gets you the 2080. They probably get snapped up quickly - but seriously just wait for the 3070.
May be it me but I think they will have enough stock of the 3000s for nearly everyone just to spoil AMD's Big Navi party and the consoles releases. It makes little sense not to have enough stock when your competitors is right behind you.
yep they can't afford a L here, after witnessing AMD/Intel bloodbath
Same. If I can't get a 3080 my 2080super will be fine for me so I'll probably buy a PS5 if there are no 3080 stock for me. The PS exclusive are second to none for SP narrative games. None of them recently…
I still love my 1080ti!
I'll upgrade to 30 series though.
Not sure if I'll upgrade from the 1080ti or not.. at least I have the luxury of being able to still game at 1440p high settings and wait and see if the 3000 series is worth it for me. If I went to a 3080 I'd probably want to step up to a 4K monitor too.
I'm wondering as well. I only ever use my pc for sim racing in vr.
Remember when the 2000 series was released. They sold out rather quickly due to high demand and were impossible to find. If you could find one the price was way higher than it should have been. Hope this won't be the case of scalping the 3000 series card. I certainly wouldn't be buying a 2000 series card now. Knowing even the entry level 3070 has similar performance to the 2080 ti and you can get the latest 3080 cards at these prices when released.
Nvidia may have been dishonest about the 3070 being as fast as the 2080 ti but the 3080 is absolutely faster. Assuming that the scalping for next gen cards happens, the 3080 should be around $1300. I wouln't pay over $1k for a 2080 ti. At least this should send a message to those idiots still trying to sell used 2080ti's for those prices.
Someone near me still wants $2000 for the Strix here lol
I did see 2 last week at $1k so that's about fair.
Nvidia may have been dishonest about the 3070 being as fast as the 2080 ti
Ah so you've benchmarked them to disprove their claim?
rolleye
No I haven't. Thats the point, you are relying on Nvidia's claims without knowing how they got them. Wait for third party reviews to verify their claims. The 3070 might be as fast, slower or faster than a 2080 ti but Nvidia has a vested interest in placing it in the best possible light.
The key word was "may". If I had benchmarked it or seen independant data, I would've said "Nvidia is being dishonest". Was that not obvious?
Twice they claimed its faster than a 2080ti. They arent that friggen stupid to claim that in their big global launch thing and in the reddit AMA without it being true…..
Tin foil hat much?
EDIT: I mean what sort of company the size and prestige on nVidia says "my product Y is better than X" knowing full well in 2 weeks time 1000 reviewers around the world will be able to prove it wrong and cause them much embarrassment? That would be epic stupidity to do that. I give them a little more credit than that.
@Skramit: It's not a Tin foil hat conspiracy to be skeptical of Nvidia's or any other company's claims. Companies naturally want to present products in the best possible light. Best practice is to wait for 3rd party verification. I'm saying that they might be dishonest not that they're outright lying.
For example, they're claiming that Ampere is 1.9x more power efficient than Turing but thats probably only true in certain scenarios. The 220W 3070 is supposedly slightly faster than the 250W 2080ti. Thats only a 15-20% in perf/power.
If you want a good example of why not to trust company numbers, just look at the way AMD compared the 5500xt to the rx 480
$450 and I'll buy one, if you ask me to pay $1300 for that I'll just buy a 3090.
You keep dreaming at $450.
Around $800 for a good model would actually be very good for the best part of 6 months.
3090 for $1300, bro tell me where, I'll buy 2 instantly
Good price if 3000 series didnt exist.
As others mentioned, no way anyone should be considering this with the 3070 and 3080 around the corner.
Only on OzBargian do incredibly obvious comments like this get downvoted.
Nah, should be sub $1000, ideally $800.
Worth waiting a couple of months. This is ozbargain after all.
That's disappointing,
https://www.kotaku.com.au/2020/09/nvidia-rtx-3090-3080-3070-…
The Nvidia founders edition cards not coming to Australia, dam… That's terrible because buying it directly from Nvidia cuts out the middle man, and you're getting a better card.
Third party Asus (or gawd no's what) vendors here will sell the 3080 for $1600 or more, and let's not forget the 3090 also being $3200 that's insane, that makes the card not even worth buying, and Xbox series X even more interesting since Microsoft does have distribution centres, servers offices in Australia so they can mitigate the cost, compared to someone buying a founders edition Dr over seas will incur a tarrif fee.
That's what happens when you live in Australia, thanks Jerry harvey.
Yeah that's really disappointing as the FE's look pretty good this time around.
This should've been the launch price…
Technically it was supposed to be close to it
Hahahah , what a dumb stupid attempt
people be aware 3070 is on horizon , don't fall for this deals
don't buy, 3070 just as fast and much cheaper
Have a feeling AMD is going to undercut NVIDIA with cards that have more vram. Super editions card here we come!
Shows how much margin there was on these cards, all the other 20 series haven't dropped as much in price as these cards.
I got mine 18 months ago for $1650 and even back then I felt a little annoyed at having to pay that to get an improvement over the 1080Ti I had. Not even sure I'll bother with the 30 series, recent price announcements for xbox means I might spend some time there over the next 12 months, sick off all the hackers/cheaters on PC.
I see prices dropped at scorptec too, so clearly big nvidia rebate here to move remaining stock.
are prices of the lower entry 20xx cards also on sale? or its just the 2080ti variants
In this particular deal there is a Full Sale Link for PC Case Gear. In among there sale items there are various 20xx cards not just 2080ti.
Don't buy! 30xx is waiting.
If anyone has an ounce of brain, they woudn't even consider this.
3070 phools.
https://www.tomsguide.com/news/nvidia-rtx-3080-flattens-rtx-…
Benchmarks
"On average, the RTX 3080 was some 68 per cent faster than its predecessor and 38 percent faster than the RTX 2080 Ti in the CUDA tests. In the OpenCL tests, the RTX 3080 smashed the other cards by an average of 68 percent and 41 percent respectively."
Scorptec just dropped their 2080 Ti prices.
https://computers.scorptec.com.au/search?w=2080%20ti&af=cat1…
https://www.nvidia.com/en-au/geforce/graphics-cards/30-serie…
GEFORCE RTX 3090
STARTING AT AU$2,429 September 24th
GEFORCE RTX 3080
STARTING AT AU$ 1,139 September 17th
GEFORCE RTX 3070
STARTING AT AU$ 809 October
Don't forget that Nvidia won't be selling the FE cards in Australia. Couple that with the forecasted shortage and you won't be able to get a car for anywhere near that price for a quite a while.
@p1 ama: Yes without Nvidia at least offering FE cards in Australia, there's a better than normal chance p1 is correct. Even if we see some AIB's near Nvidias FE RRP on launch, if supply levels really are low you can expect the mark ups to kick in as stock trickles in.
That said, if you are after a 3070 then chances are AMD is going to offer something competitive in that space and given TMSC is their supplier they are not likely to have the same supply constraints as Nvidia may.