Delusional Owner of White Tesla - Number Plate "CO2 Free"

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I saw a white Tesla sedan getting around with number plates that boldly stated "CO2 FREE". Can anyone who can afford a Tesla really be that ignorant?

Where does he THINK the electricity comes from to charge up his machine??? (I bet a million dollars it was a coal-fired power station).

Have people actually fallen for the hype and think that their Tesla recharges in Australia are miraculously supplied from 100% renewable energy? Does Tesla charge enormous battery banks from solar panels and then supercharge your Tesla vehicle's batteries from them? I think not.

Is he even grandiose enough to think that the manufacture of his expensive machine and its masses of batteries involved an insignificant amount of CO2 emissions? I'm sure no CO2 was released in the process of earning the vast amount of money to pay for the expensive machine?

Besides all that, one recent study found that, all things being added together, "in reality, the Tesla has emissions between 156 and 181 grams of CO2 per kilometre - significantly more than a comparable diesel Mercedes."

I should point out that I don't especially care about climate science. Nor do I hate Tesla Cars. I just find his bold public statement about "emissions" particularly odorous.

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- - - - Chandler on 14/12/2020 - 13:20
        
        +1
        
        @BigBirdy:
        
        Do you also tell vegetarians that they are meat consumers because a human grew their vegetables?
        
        Do you tell climate vegetarians that some of their precious vegetables actually contribute more to climate change than meat?
        
        Chandler on 14/12/2020 - 12:07
        
        @pegaxs:
        
        As for the "offsetting", while it is a wonderful idea, it doesn't really fix other issues.
        
        Imagine how much less CO2 we'd all have if everyone did all this "offsetting" without actually doing the thing they were trying to "offset".
        
        It's like cutting down a tree whilst planting one and saying "yay me, net zero!"¹. What happens if you just plant a tree, without cutting one down in the first place?
        
        Or if you must cut one down, how about planting three: one for your ~~mum~~ daughter, one for your ~~dad~~ son, and one for your ~~country~~ planet! (if you don't like the tree example, feel free to substitute with pretty much anything; I just thought the tree example was simple & relevant).
        
        yes, this is ignoring the fact you're cutting down a mature tree and replacing it with a sapling ↩
        
        Tonyh87 on 14/12/2020 - 10:51
        
        +1
        
        @Ak850: Have a look into cobalt mining. The price you pay to reduce emissions with ev cars is paid by child labourers dying in cobalt mines in congo with no safety equipment and hand tools only to dig hundreds of feet underground.
        
        LukeOliver on 14/12/2020 - 19:52
        
        +2
        
        @Tonyh87: Looked at this. Seems batteries go hand in hand with mobile phone production.
        
        trongy on 14/12/2020 - 22:52
        
        +1
        
        @Tonyh87: The cobalt mining situation in the Democratic Republic if Congo is truly tragic. Around 60% of the world's cobalt production comes from that country so most devices with lithium ion batteries will contain some of that cobalt.
        
        Tesla and other battery companies have put a lot of work into reducing the amount of cobalt used per battery. Tesla hopes to eliminate cobalt from its batteries in future, but that's looking quite difficult. Cobalt seems to be the magic ingredient that is required to slow the degradation with each recharge cycle.
        
        jimothy9 on 14/12/2020 - 23:40
        
        @Tonyh87:
        
        Have a look into cobalt mining. The price you pay to reduce emissions with ev cars is paid by child labourers dying in cobalt mines in congo with no safety equipment and hand tools only to dig hundreds of feet underground.
        
        It's a good thing then that Tesla sources their Cobalt from Australia, and is slowly eliminating the need for it in newer battery chemistries.
        
        On the flip side, oil refining uses quite a bit of Cobalt. I'm sure it's all ethical Cobalt too of course.
        
        Tonyh87 on 15/12/2020 - 17:49
        
        +1
        
        @jimothy9: Tesla sources cobalt from glencore, which mines most of it's cobalt in the Democratic Republic of Congo.
        As for its use in oil refining, the amount of cobalt in a tesla model s battery (4.5 Kg) would treat about 3,000,000L of petroleum product.
  - This Guy on 14/12/2020 - 07:56
    
    +2
    
    Your delusional if you think most miners want to use fuel.
    
    Most mines are powering or moving to power their comms huts with solar because 100k to 400k up front is significantly cheaper than fueling generators out there.
    
    Just like the automation of haul trucks, anything that reduces labour with reasonable outcomes is being purchased. Especially with the current low metallurgical coal prices.
    - pegaxs on 14/12/2020 - 08:07
      
      +6
      
      What do those huge haul trucks run on?? What do those diggers run on?? What do the workshop maintenance vehicles run on? What do the water pumps run on? What do the lighting plants run on?
      
      Comms huts. Well renowned as being the biggest CO2 contributors on a mining site…
      - Drakesy on 14/12/2020 - 10:46
        
        @pegaxs: The diggers and haul trucks are both electricity, which, yes currently run on generators. However I feel you've deviated here.
        
        Btw Fmg recently has gone solar where up to 100% of their energy needs during the day are "co2 free"
        
        Bhp and rio aren't far off
        
        The "coal powered" argument isnt really a thing anymore
        
        Chandler on 14/12/2020 - 13:23
        
        @Drakesy:
        
        The "coal powered" argument isnt really a thing anymore
        
        Ironic what their using all these renewables to dig out of the ground then, eh?
        
        Drakesy on 14/12/2020 - 13:57
        
        +1
        
        @Chandler: There was a period of time when people were lugged around by diesel and coal powered trains, today electricity has replaced many of them.
        Technology change isn't instant, but with the advancements in battery and energy technology the days of diesel/coal powered vehicles are numbered.
        
        People poo pooed the idea of an ICE car when it was invented, 10 years later 99% of trips were in one, demand for horses plummeted.
        It's the same with electric cars, that have been manufactured and mass marketed since 2014, come 2024 and the cost will be less than that of comparable ICE cars, once the technology is that cheap then industries of scale will find ways to move away from diesel/coal power.
        
        It's basic economics, if you want to cut costs and you have an unlimited supply of free energy why wouldn't you tap into it?
        
        Oh and It's not long until the diesel generators in the excavators and trucks are replaced by batteries effectively resulting in a net 0 CO2 expenditure.
        
        See this presentation on the direction of ICE and electric vehicles
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y916mxoio0E
        
        Speckled Jim on 14/12/2020 - 18:33
        
        @Drakesy: Between horses and ICE, EV cars were a thing.
        The discovery of oil reserves simply allowed us to travel further, fight world wars, create whole economies and hundreds of billionaires.
        It was a fun ride…
        
        Drakesy on 14/12/2020 - 18:40
        
        @Speckled Jim: This is true
        
        Fair point
Agarwal on 13/12/2020 - 16:01

+11

Can you report it to the police? I am sure they will be all over it.
- dec1an on 14/12/2020 - 11:16
  
  hahahahahaha
iridiumstem on 13/12/2020 - 16:06

+9

But the person driving the car must be breathing and therefore must be producing CO2! Aha!
- Loopenip on 13/12/2020 - 22:34
  
  +5
  
  Plot twist: he grows plants inside his car, 100% converting his CO2
  - iridiumstem on 14/12/2020 - 09:34
    
    +1
    
    Dun dun dun!
elgrande on 13/12/2020 - 16:10

+12

White Telsa privilege..
- holdenmg on 13/12/2020 - 17:49
  
  +4
  
  Damn, read your post as White "Telstra" privilege… lol
  - Kangal on 13/12/2020 - 17:57
    
    +5
    
    …there's a difference?
- dealsucker on 14/12/2020 - 12:04
  
  +1
  
  The comment on the thread! Take a bow!
follow on 13/12/2020 - 16:30

https://youtu.be/J6oTIjvw_-8?t=28
iforgotmysocks on 13/12/2020 - 16:56

+5

Who cares mate
brendanm on 13/12/2020 - 17:06

+16

Damn you have to be pretty butthurt about someones plate and choice of car to make an entire thread about it.
- fixtechstuff on 15/12/2020 - 16:48
  
  Look at all the comments tho, it's clearly a touchy subject most don't understand.
  - brendanm on 15/12/2020 - 17:08
    
    I understand people commenting on it, but op seems irrationally angry.
MagicMushroom on 13/12/2020 - 17:14

+10

R U OK?
- WhyAmICommenting on 13/12/2020 - 22:09
  
  +1
  
  -ish
jsrz18 on 13/12/2020 - 17:27

-4

teslas are probably the cheapest crappy looking cars I see on the road. Not that I could afford one if I wanted one.
funnysht on 13/12/2020 - 17:42

+4

The only way to beat emissions is buy a used car or keep you car as much as you can- of course car dealers don't want you to know that
- donga100 on 13/12/2020 - 18:14
  
  +8
  
  Car dealers hate this one simple trick.
Transient on 13/12/2020 - 17:46

Can anyone who can afford a Tesla really be that ignorant?

Having money and being knowledgeable doesn't always correlate:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/259440/the-most-stupi…
netjock on 13/12/2020 - 17:58

+5

Maybe they paid for 100% renewables through their energy provider. Don't be so ignorant and judge others. Please advise us of your carbon footprint.
- pegaxs on 13/12/2020 - 18:12
  
  -5
  
  Yeah, because when you buy "renewables", they come to your house and swap the electricity delivery cables over… Your power is coming from the same grid as your neighbour who is paying for regular old coal fired power :D
  - netjock on 13/12/2020 - 19:39
    
    +3
    
    If you are paying for 100% renewables you are not funding the coal power. Use your brain mate. If everyone pays for 100% renewables then coal has to shut down unless they want a whopping big fine for misselling.
    
    You think everyone is buying new cars but someone is out there still building original Ford Model T en mass. You are genius. Maybe you should print yourself a certificate.
    - pegaxs on 13/12/2020 - 19:51
      
      +1
      
      If you are paying for "renewables" you are still "using" coal fired electricity. They don't magically pipe different power to each house based on what type of account conditions they have. No amount of negging me is going to change that. They cant flip a switch and pipe only "renewable" power to your house if everyone else in the street is using "coal fired" power.
      
      To put it simply, it's a bit like this from the Simpsons…
      
      And I cant even get my head around your Ford analogy, so I'm not even going to bother…
      - [Deactivated] on 13/12/2020 - 20:39
        
        +2
        
        @pegaxs: This.
        
        If paying extra for 100% renewables your;
        
        a: subsidizing renewables (I thought they were cheaper - so shouldn't the power be cheaper, no because its all comes via the same cables not special renewable cables?)
        b: the power company is just taking your money, all you get in return is a fuzzy warm feeling
        
        if you want to peddle the renewable argument, buy solar panels, buy a battery. Actually do something, commit and get some skin in the game. The rebates/subsidies and finance available for residential solar these days are insane, you have no excuse.
        
        Don't just "buy renewable power" and claim your doing something, thats the same bs argument as using or buying carbon credits - it solves nothing, makes you feel fuzzy, but at the end of the day big business is laughing at you for paying extra and making them more money.
      - xylarr on 14/12/2020 - 08:33
        
        -2
        
        @pegaxs: Buying renewables DOES mean that your electricity comes from renewable sources.
        Say there are two power plants - one coal and one wind and they're all plugged into the same grid.
        If I pay for power from the wind generator, my power effectively comes from that source only.
        One way to think about it is even if an electron I pay doesn't make it to me, it will make its way to someone that paid for coal. This offsets the coal electron that came to me.
        Or think of the money. Say there are two customers, one wants coal, the other wants wind. Both customers pay a dollar for their electricity. Each generator produces $1 worth of electricity. It all perfectly matches.
        Sure, on average, each person is only 50% renewable, but the coal person is cleaner that they expected.
        
        pegaxs on 14/12/2020 - 10:31
        
        +4
        
        @xylarr:
        
        Buying renewables DOES mean that your electricity comes from renewable sources.
        
        Lol. Righteo, champ. So the electrical grid suppling your house is on a totally seperate network to your neighbour's supply? Is there some big electron sorting machine at the end of your street diverting "green power" to your house but "dirty power" to all your neighbours?
        
        Essentially you are paying "wind" prices and using "coal" electricity. It isn't sorted in some special machine so this house gets this and that one gets something else. It's all just dumped into the grid. So, yes, some of that electricity may be from renewable sources, but if it is, your neighbours are enjoying that same "renewable" electricity you are and not paying a premium for it.
        
        And before you get all upset and bent out of shape, I'm not saying don't pay for renewable electricity, I think it's great if this money is poured back into more renewable power projects, I am 100% for renewable energy, but don't kid yourself thinking that if you are paying this premium that your house is using 100% renewable energy. If you are taking it from the same grid that your neighbours who don't pay for it and there is a coal fired plant supplying them, you're getting that as well.
        
        netjock on 14/12/2020 - 13:46
        
        @pegaxs: You can only push out non renewables from the grid by buying green energy. Because the energy industry will screw the little guy
        
        Unless you go off grid your back up will always be grid. To beat coal only large scale renewables and batteries can defeat coal / gas.
      - Bargainz on 14/12/2020 - 14:09
        
        @pegaxs: Dont bother trying to rationalise sanity and facts with people. The world is a mess for a reason and no amount of logic will make those that are causing said mess to change their minds.
FocusRider on 13/12/2020 - 18:04

+3

Mate we're currently living through a pandemic and this is what you're worried about?!
- holdenmg on 13/12/2020 - 18:18
  
  +4
  
  Some day everyone will have a Panda…
- whooah1979 on 13/12/2020 - 18:25
  
  -2
  
  What pandemic?
  
  https://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/7053165/latest-sna…
  * The state has now reached 44 days without local COVID-19 transmission.
- netjock on 13/12/2020 - 19:40
  
  Maybe OP us driving around unregistered vehicle with no number plates.
  
  I for one just look at custom number plates and think "mug punter, sucked in again"
Daabido on 13/12/2020 - 18:21

+6

It doesn't need electricity. It runs on smug.
- Loopenip on 13/12/2020 - 22:37
  
  +3
  
  Make it run on outrage and these guys will fuel it
Deals For Days on 13/12/2020 - 18:58

+3

In general I think vanity plates are for twats but mate… that Telsa owner got exactly what they paid for if it really riles people up like you!
- netjock on 13/12/2020 - 19:41
  
  +1
  
  Exactly what "vanity" means. More money than sense.
azitiz on 13/12/2020 - 19:02

+2

So a guy named Craig Osborne purchases his second car from a lottery win and you're upset?
mskeggs on 13/12/2020 - 19:11

+15

Lots of triggered snow flakes in this thread.
The east coast electricity market is about 20% renewable right now.
If you put 10kw of solar on your house it is trivially easy to power a Tesla or other plug In electric without using coal fired power, should you care.
If you occasionally drive a long trip or need more than your solar panels provide, it costs about $90 p.a. to buy carbon off sets for an average car.

It's not hard, or something to get upset about.
- fixtechstuff on 15/12/2020 - 16:49
  
  Still not "C02 free", not by a long shot.
sockpuppy on 13/12/2020 - 19:25

+18

Besides all that, one recent study found that, all things being added together, "in reality, the Tesla has emissions between 156 and 181 grams of CO2 per kilometre - significantly more than a comparable diesel Mercedes."

I should point out that I don't especially care about climate science. Nor do I hate Tesla Cars. I just find his bold public statement about "emissions" particularly odorous.

So you don't care about climate science. Oops sorry news flash it's real and it's happening, in case you missed the last 40 years of science, the coal in the earth's crust has to stay in the ground. If we burn it we are screwed.

Tesla emissions are zero, the car doesn't emit CO2. It doesn't burn anything this is a fact. So for 6 chars it about right.

So for the average Tesla punter here's the thing. The car is superior in just about every way, except cost.

The study you refer to actually does have any input into how much energy was consumed in the production of said Merc Die-soon fuel, hint its a LOT, with a LOT of negative externalities for the environment and human suffering. An oil field labourer in Saudi is a disposable item

The only question of interest is where the electrons come from, naturally, if it is victorian lignite powered generator its just a left pocket right pocket nothing exercise. However, if you charge your car with PV like me it is zero at least for 9 months of the year and for the other 3 months I can select a renewable source.

I just love the fact the sunshine which would be wasted hitting my roof, is transmuted through 100 years of science and engineering, to an object that will take me from A to B in comfort and safety, without impacting the environment.
- brendanm on 13/12/2020 - 19:36
  
  Oh, this is why people hate Tesla drivers.
  - netjock on 13/12/2020 - 19:42
    
    +2
    
    Probably. Wrote a novel to "tell OP to get back in his box and mind their own business there is bigger problems in life"
- pegaxs on 13/12/2020 - 19:54
  
  -2
  
  The car is superior in just about every way, except cost.
  
  Think I just threw up in my mouth a little…
- grr1701 on 14/12/2020 - 10:08
  
  -1
  
  If I could upvote this more, I would!
Duckie2hh on 13/12/2020 - 19:36

+2

Maybe the Tesla is powered by energy from solar panels?OP is just salty because he doesnt have one.
- netjock on 13/12/2020 - 19:43
  
  +1
  
  Solar panels? Post the deal!
  - Duckie2hh on 14/12/2020 - 08:42
    
    +1
    
    https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/579530
    
    panels on house >> charge the car ^__^"
    - netjock on 14/12/2020 - 10:14
      
      You know 6.6Kw only produce about 600kwh a month in Melbourne and I'd give it double that in Queenland. Depending on size of your Model 3 battery (54Kw - 73kw) and how much you drive it might actually not be 100% offsetting model 3. Don't forget you need to be home during solar panel producing hours + charging at the rate the panels are producing. Best to subscribe to Green power.
      
      That is to not poop poop the idea of getting solar panels and the car.
      
      Original comment was in jest.
      - Duckie2hh on 14/12/2020 - 10:20
        
        @netjock: 😜
      - Speckled Jim on 14/12/2020 - 10:53
        
        @netjock:
        
        Don't forget you need to be home during solar panel producing hours + charging at the rate the panels are producing.
        
        Not if you're charging storage batteries. Once home, transfer charge from them. Like a power bank.
        
        netjock on 14/12/2020 - 12:07
        
        +1
        
        @Speckled Jim: Don't forget +$8k for the privilege of a 13kw battery which will only charge 1/4 of the car's battery pack (assuming 54kw and you don't get 100% depth of discharge) + additional environmental burden of producing battery
        
        I'll give you a participation award.
        
        Speckled Jim on 14/12/2020 - 12:23
        
        -1
        
        @netjock: Who has imposed a 13kW battery capacity limit? Is it legislated?
        Do you know what they have in their garage, or their means to afford it?
        It's not only plausible, it's been done for years.
        
        Batteries? Well, much like OP's stance:
        
        I don't especially care about climate science
        
        I don't especially care about battery science.
        
        Just that it works, and allows people to parrot the hypocrisy of the higher polluting alternative.
        The arguments can cancel each other out, but if the net gain is cleaner air = win.
        
        netjock on 14/12/2020 - 12:42
        
        +1
        
        @Speckled Jim: 13kw household battery
        
        You could buy 2x but then for $20k is it worth it?
        
        I'd rather just subscribe to green energy plan.
        
        If you want to get your knickers in a knot your pain. Not mine.
        
        Speckled Jim on 14/12/2020 - 16:45
        
        @netjock: That's just one example.
        What about a Tesla powerwall, or something like it? What if they fashioned a custom system for a fraction of the cost?
        
        For all we know, the owner of CO2 FREE might even work for Tesla. It might be a promotional/trolling exercise.
        All speculation.
        
        netjock on 14/12/2020 - 17:06
        
        @Speckled Jim:
        
        What about a Tesla powerwall, or something like it?
        
        Powerwall $12k before installation costs for 13kw
        
        Sorry to burst your bubble but given the premium price of Tesla cars it isn't like the Powerwall will be bargain basement price.
        
        What if they fashioned a custom system for a fraction of the cost?
        
        If you believe there is a guy in a white van driving around the shopping centre car park asking if you want an extra household battery because they got given extra by the distributor (you know the old hi fi speaker scam)
        
        Speckled Jim on 14/12/2020 - 17:14
        
        @netjock: White van men? Is this your limit of scope?
        So all those individuals on Catalyst, Grand Designs, Gardening Aust (+ news and docos) weren't the resourceful geniuses I'd credited them for?
        Well there goes my last hope for humanity!
        
        netjock on 14/12/2020 - 17:28
        
        @Speckled Jim: I think you underestimate how dangerous large Lithium Ion batteries are. Putting safety of your family to save a few thousand so you can avoid paying 25c - 30c per Kwh. Okay if you think so.
cristobaljames on 13/12/2020 - 19:41

+2

Why can't an electric car owner (like the person in the story) simply charge from their panels whilst the sun is shining?

That's what I plan to do in the not too distant future :)
- netjock on 13/12/2020 - 19:44
  
  +2
  
  That is because the car is parked at work. Work doesn't have panels or not sure if it is renewable energy.
  
  Maybe if you can afford a model 3 you don't have to work, who knows when people can get all postal over a set of number plates.
  - cristobaljames on 13/12/2020 - 19:46
    
    I work afternoons/nights like a number of shift workers..
    - netjock on 14/12/2020 - 10:15
      
      You speak like it is the majority. Don't bring minorities here and put it like it is some kind of a majority deal.
  - Nousernamehere on 13/12/2020 - 21:47
    
    +2
    
    That is because the car is parked at work. Work doesn't have panels or not sure if it is renewable energy.
    
    Or they simply just charge the car once a week on the weekend when they’re home…?
    - netjock on 14/12/2020 - 10:17
      
      -1
      
      Or they simply just charge the car once a week on the weekend when they’re home…?
      
      Or simply the fact that 423kms might not be enough to last 5 days. Maybe think before you comment. If you are going to be covering short range buy a PHEV and save $40k.
      - Nousernamehere on 14/12/2020 - 11:32
        
        +3
        
        @netjock:
        
        Maybe think before you comment
        
        Ironic coming from the guy making up multiple assumptions about someone they don’t know to suit their own argument.
        
        Considering that 423km/week is just under 22,000km/year, and the average distance travelled by a car in Queensland is 13,700km/year (~263km/week), then yes they could easily be driving it to work every day and only charging it on weekends.
        
        netjock on 14/12/2020 - 12:04
        
        +1
        
        @Nousernamehere: Oh yes the law of averages. Don't forget you need to plug it is for 8 hours in the middle of the day to charge up. There goes your Saturday or Sunday.
        
        I don't need to make assumptions, it is common sense. Also if you think a Tesla driver would be driving average kilometers I think you're assuming. That is like saying someone making $500k a year is flying the same as the average person in economy. We know they probably fly business and contribute a lot more carbon.
        
        Ironic coming from the guy making up multiple assumptions about someone they don’t know to suit their own argument.
        
        Sounds like OP.
        
        Nousernamehere on 14/12/2020 - 15:02
        
        +2
        
        @netjock:
        
        Oh yes the law of averages. Don't forget you need to plug it is for 8 hours in the middle of the day to charge up. There goes your Saturday or Sunday.
        
        Oh sorry, how silly of me to try and bring any actual information into this rather than what you believe is happening so is therefore fact. My mistake.
        
        I don't need to make assumptions, it is common sense. Also if you think a Tesla driver would be driving average kilometers I think you're assuming.
        
        Except you did and then to back it up tried to belittle what I said because it went against your assumptions. For all we know the owner could live 10km from work and only works Monday and Tuesday every second week whilst the rest they run a centre for kids who can’t read good from their home.
        
        I know a number of people with expensive cars who barely drive them apart from on the weekends. Why they bought expensive cars to begin with not to drive them who knows, but it’s their money they can do what they want with it.
        
        Sounds like OP.
        
        You’re making just as many stupid assumptions as the OP is.
        
        netjock on 14/12/2020 - 17:14
        
        @Nousernamehere:
        
        Except you did and then to back it up tried to belittle what I said because it went against your assumptions. For all we know the owner could live 10km from work and only works Monday and Tuesday every second week whilst the rest they run a centre for kids who can’t read good from their home.
        
        If you think it is belittling.
        
        If you lived 10kms from work you'd buy a PHEV or even better ride a bike.
        
        It is common sense.
        
        If you think paying $100 will offset annual emissions of a 4WD on Greenfleet paying an extra $20k for a Tesla is 200 years of offsets. If you dropped $20k on carbon offsets would have a bigger impact than spending $20k extra on a Tesla.
        
        It is just basic arithmetic.
        
        People don't buy Teslas cars to live in their garage, neither do they buy it to make a whooping big loss driving lower than average kilometers. Rich people don't get rich pissing their money away. Part of it is virtue signally but another part is vanity which means they will drive them everywhere to be seen.
        
        It is human nature at it's finest.
        
        I have a 15 year old car that does 4.5L for every 100kms, I do less than 10,000 km per year and that is only because I do 400kms a month in a return trip to see my parents. Rest of the time I bike to work or walk to the supermarket. It is probably better for the environment than a Tesla.
        
        jimothy9 on 15/12/2020 - 00:07
        
        +3
        
        @netjock:
        
        Part of it is virtue signally but another part is vanity which means they will drive them everywhere to be seen.
        
        Or perhaps they just like the car, and you're reading too much into it.
        
        Sometimes a car is just a car.
        
        netjock on 16/12/2020 - 12:21
        
        @jimothy9:
        
        Sometimes a car is just a car.
        
        Tesla owners would disagree.
        
        jimothy9 on 16/12/2020 - 19:46
        
        +1
        
        @netjock:
        
        Tesla owners would disagree.
        
        Seems to me that the majority people I hear talking about Tesla's are non-Tesla owners complaining that Tesla exists.
        
        Speckled Jim on 15/12/2020 - 12:11
        
        +1
        
        @netjock:
        
        If you lived 10kms from work you'd buy a PHEV or even better ride a bike.
        It is common sense.
        
        If I could afford a Tesla, I might get one. I prefer the quality of the Porsche Taycan though.
        
        Tell me the make and model of PHEV or bike (assuming bicycle?) that has the straight-line giggle-factor of a Tesla or Taycan.
        I won't regurgitate well-known performance numbers, just ~3-4 sec to 100 km/h.
        Take your time, after all,
        
        It is just basic arithmetic.
        
        People like novelty. People like accelerating fast enough to frighten themselves. After all,
        
        It is human nature at it's finest.
        
        I have a 15 year old car that does 4.5L for every 100kms
        
        You are clearly not one of those people.
        
        netjock on 16/12/2020 - 12:23
        
        -1
        
        @Speckled Jim:
        
        People like novelty. People like accelerating fast enough to frighten themselves.
        
        Simple things entertain simple minds.
        
        For most people Tesla's don't make financial sense.
        
        Speckled Jim on 16/12/2020 - 13:56
        
        +1
        
        @netjock: Geez, you're an argumentative little pest, aren't ya?
        ^ Rhetorical question, my opinion.
        
        Didn't address any of my challenges either.
        
        Simple things entertain simple minds.
        
        What, like a beautiful sunset? The laughter of a child? Drinking to excess?
        Feeling like you're on a rollercoaster during your commute to work?
        
        The ageless truism the simple things in life are often the best springs to mind.
        
        For most people Tesla's don't make financial sense.
        
        True, but this isn't about MOST people, it's about the knob who owns CO2FREE.
        My participation was purely hypothetical. Witness:
        
        If I could afford a Tesla, I might get one. I prefer the quality of the Porsche Taycan though.
        
        That's a few comments up. I wish people could read.
        
        netjock on 16/12/2020 - 14:00
        
        -1
        
        @Speckled Jim: You seem to like to write a paragraph for each sentence in response.
        
        I don't like your tone, it is like you got a permanent knot in your knickers.
        
        netjock on 16/12/2020 - 14:00 (Collapsed - Offtopic. Show)
        
        Speckled Jim on 16/12/2020 - 14:19
        
        +1
        
        @netjock: Is English a second language for you?
        Whatever your impediment, sorry I made your brain hurt.
        
        Consider muting my contributions. Just click Hide down there.
        
        netjock on 16/12/2020 - 15:09
        
        @Speckled Jim: I'd be worried if English is your first. If you have to accuse people of having an impediment then you have more than just a knots in your knickers problem. I would suggest it is a more permanent problem. You might ask a medical specialist whether it is surgically removable.
        
        Speckled Jim on 16/12/2020 - 15:51
        
        +1
        
        @netjock:
        
        You seem to like to write a paragraph for each sentence in response.
        
        I don't like your tone
        
        So, groping for errors and finding none, you take a dislike to my spacing and tone?
        Your problem!
        Not changing my style for anyone. Don't like it? Hide it.
        
        it is like you got a permanent knot in your knickers.
        
        Is this a clinical diagnosis? God, not another psych student!
        
        If you have to accuse people of having an impediment
        
        I've addressed that — you had a problem with my spacing and tone. Now, that could be for a number of reasons, perhaps an accessibility device might announce "new paragraph", "blank line" or "space". I have no first-hand experience of such devices, but I'd hope they were a bit further advanced than that.
        
        If you have an aversion to readability, perhaps it's you who has a problem?
        
        netjock on 16/12/2020 - 22:47
        
        +1
        
        @Speckled Jim: Notice how you end your sentence with "?"
        
        I never end my statements with "?" I am not inviting you to respond. I think the question is for you to answer. I am just stating observations.
        
        Speckled Jim on 17/12/2020 - 09:06
        
        @netjock: When you hit Reply, you don't need a "?" if you're making a statement. Any registered member can reply, not just the person you're addressing. Rhetorical, musing, speculation and even kind diplomacy just read better with a "?". You don't have to take it so literally.
        
        I find it odd that your critique is limited to neat spacing, tone (which I assume you find condescending) and now the correct use of question marks. Quite some triggers you have there.
        
        I suppose enough members have attested to their charging routines and the practicality of the car. Your financial argument is valid for most (as you stated) but not all. You can't assign an absolute to it because there will always be exceptions, and things like financial sense or good value are quite subjective. You can plug in any numbers you like, for the early adopters with means, they perceive good value.
        
        Now, for the typical OzB member, we're more likely to set our sights toward the Kia/Hyundai/Nissan or whatever is on the palatable side of 50K. Realistically, that includes me. I still have a mortgage.
        
        netjock on 17/12/2020 - 09:28
        
        -1
        
        @Speckled Jim: Nope. I made a statement. You hit reply to my comment. I am not putting "?" because I am not asking for you to answer. I am just making statements after statements you have made.
        
        You can also make statements but when you put a "?" then you are asking for a specific answer. Just hitting reply does not make every sentence you have written as a reply a question.
        
        My statement is: you've just decided to pick up all the baggage because you have some crusade, please do not explain further.
        
        netjock on 17/12/2020 - 09:28 (Collapsed - Offtopic. Show)
        
        Speckled Jim on 17/12/2020 - 09:51
        
        @netjock: Here's the thing:
        
        when you put a "?" then you are asking for a specific answer.
        
        No. Again, you're taking it literally. Many things you saw as questions were explorations of a possibility or rhetorical.
        
        you have some crusade, please do not explain further.
        
        Your opinion, but I'm entitled to respond: no crusade.
        
        Your downfall was trying to force logic and rationality to "sensible" car buying decisions, which are aspirational and emotional for many who can afford to indulge those important pull factors.
        
        Don't expect to belittle with comments like "simple things" or baseless critique of the way people express themselves, or unqualified diagnosis without a reply.
        
        netjock on 17/12/2020 - 14:40
        
        -1
        
        @Speckled Jim:
        
        Your downfall was trying to force logic and rationality to "sensible" car buying decisions
        
        No one was forced by my statements. Just a statement of logic and rational because it is missing these days as you have stated and got sweaty under the collar about.
        
        Don't expect to belittle with comments
        
        You belittled me first and if you read my statements it isn't as forceful, brutal and rough as your replies. Your statements are like shout into your face offensive. My statements are more like gentle offensive whispers from behind your ear, you don't even get annoyed with the breath into your ear canal.
        
        I've had enough fun. I may have reached limits of your first language.
        
        Speckled Jim on 17/12/2020 - 14:55
        
        @netjock:
        
        You belittled me first
        
        Link?
        
        Your statements are like shout into your face offensive.
        
        Link? No link? Your Speak-N-Say needs a volume adjustment then.
        
        I've had enough fun.
        
        Confirmed: another recent blow-in troll.
        Bye-bye!
        
        netjock on 17/12/2020 - 15:32
        
        @Speckled Jim: Link
        
        Specifically the use of the word "you are" with "pest" in the same sentence.
        
        Speckled Jim on 18/12/2020 - 18:22
        
        @netjock: (Hasn't Chrissy been nuts this year)…
        
        Ahh hello again netjock!
        
        You either play or played soccer of AFL, right? That, or fantasy football league. Despite growing up in Sydney, I also played VFL (as we called it then) for a couple of seasons. Great coach, he was ex-army and my geography teacher. Taught me heaps.
        I only did half of season soccer tho. Wasn't my game.
        
        I'm onto your game though.
        Play the ball -> play the man -> play the victim.
        
        It's all there, for anyone to read in sequence. Being a noob, you probably didn't know that editing your post can't be done after 60 minutes OR if someone replies to it.
        
        Not sure what your problem is. I have my suspicions, but to air them is irresponsible and will fall foul of posting rules. Regardless, had I chosen differently in an early-90s sliding door moment, I'd probably have moved to Melbourne and pursued a career in my secondary interest, psychology.
        I'd be a helluva lot wealthier and would have my EV and massive power wall. I'd post pics and link them too. Alas, I'm one of the millions of shit-munchers just getting by.
        
        Have a good Xmas everyone!

Delusional Owner of White Tesla - Number Plate "CO2 Free"

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