Are Veggies and Fruits Overrated?

I stopped eating veggies and year-round fruits. Still eating seasonal fruits like Mangoes because I like the taste of these MF. Once I started eating only meat, I stopped getting sick. My sleep quality improved. Constant energy all the time. Maybe my overall health improvement coincided with stopping consuming ultra-processed junk.

What is your experience? Have you done any such experiments?

Edit: 80% of my diet consists of meat and eggs and butter. I am in no way implying fruits and veggies are bad. Just asking are they overrated.

Poll Options

  • 58
    Yes
  • 590
    No

Comments

          • +1

            @DisabledUser318679: but why do you need to validate it by questioning it on a forum ?

            (its not just sharing your experience as you post it as a question, not "here is my experience after … " )

      • +21

        He changed my life for good. From couch potato to training 5 days a week of training in martial arts.

        Good to hear

        And changed my perspective on science and how F'd up scientific studies are. Not by Joe Rogan by himself but scientists and achievers who come to his podcast created a new perspective on life.

        Less good to hear.
        You know he doesnt bring on a broad or well rounded guest panel right? Its aimed at being the most engaging to the millions of listeners who are within his target demographic
        I wouldnt be using Joe Rogan podcast as my 'I am more educated on science because of….' source

        • -10

          You know he doesnt bring on a broad or well rounded guest panel right? Its aimed at being the most engaging to the millions of listeners who are within his target demographic

          Like ABC does yeah? Norman Swan, Raina Macintyre. No one is well rounded. Seems like you follow CNN and never heard an episode of JRE. Scientists who dedicated their whole life to certain research comes to JRE. If just nut jobs follow JRE it wouldn't be as successful as it is. Definitely sheep believe whatever ABC or CNN vomits.

          • +23

            @DisabledUser318679: Edit description: JRE starter kit unboxing video

            Like, imagine accusing someone in Australia of being in CNN's thrall. Can you even watch it down here?

          • +17

            @DisabledUser318679:

            Like ABC does yeah?

            Only way you get ABC out of my post is if you skip a bunch of letters and somehow constructed it

            Seems like you follow CNN and never heard an episode of JRE

            I dont (but seriously, could you be more cliche? ) and I have listened to some of them..

            It's ok to admit you're in his demographic of listeners they are trying to engage with.
            Spotify didnt pay him millions of bucks because his demographic is flippant, easily lost and of no value to marketers/advertisers…
            You think his dedicated listeners are the kind that arent worth a million bucks an episode to advertise to?

            Admit it, own it, embrass it…. but dont deny it… The first step is admitting it.

          • +12

            @DisabledUser318679: I love that you're parroting US-based conspiracy theorists so unthinkingly, that you're getting your 'lamestream media' wires crossed.

            • -10

              @SydStrand: I was like you before. So stupid. Believe everything that come in ABC. Like a alcoholic doesn’t know how to be sober. A sheep don’t realise everything comes from media or authorities is not true. Joe Rogan changed a lot of people life for good. You don’t get it

              • +9

                @DisabledUser318679: The true sheep are the ones who base their beliefs on a few people whose theories are completely different to nearly other peer-reviewed expert in the wider community.

                Edit: there's a reason why there are not a lot of people supporting such "experts" - their evidence doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

                • @whatgift: Quick google search reveals studies that meat is good and bad. Veggies, fruits. Whatever. There will be studies that conclude good and bad. If a study is bad doesn’t matter how many peers review it. I stated my personal experience that not eating veggies didn’t hinder my life. I follow science more closely.

                  • +6

                    @DisabledUser318679:

                    I was like you before. So stupid. Believed everything… You don't get it

                    The old adage: The world is full of idiots who are sure of themselves, and intelligent people who are full of doubts.

                  • +2

                    @DisabledUser318679: Google searches are great for finding information that reinforces confirmation bias. Google Scholar is where to go to find studies that aren't skewed to fitting someone's world view.

                    • -2

                      @whatgift: Ahhh google, where you only get info that suits the narrative. Oh never-mind, I'm sure google doesn't censor academics.

                      • +1

                        @Ozschmargain: That’s not what I said, but what you’re searching for and the terms you use makes a big difference, and people like the OP are probably searching for studies and research that supports their view, while conveniently ignoring those that don’t.

              • +5

                @DisabledUser318679:

                Believe everything that come in ABC

                I don't understand, why do you assume everyone else who disagrees with you is an ABC watcher/follower and only gets their education/info from them? Is that what you've been told by your media?

      • +1

        Maybe you can find a podcaster who can teach basic nutrition.

        • +1

          Share your expertise

          • +5

            @DisabledUser318679: Eat vegetables. They are good for you.

            • @Aureus: I clearly mentioned in my description that stopped eating veggies and I feel a lot better now. I used to eat 6 days a week vegetables and fruit everyday. I am not missing anything now and I am perfectly healthy. I mentioned in previous comments that there is no nutrient in vegetable that is not in meat. But people are negging without any reason. You tell me what I am missing. Don’t tell fibre. We are not ruminants to ferment fibre to get energy. Even highly refined cereals use fibre as a healthy tag to sell their product.

              • +3

                @DisabledUser318679: Fibre is important for gut health, but whatever you can reject that.

                If that 20% of non-meat/eggs contains decent amount of fruit then you are probably okay on Vitamin C. There are other vitamins that it is possible to get enough on such a diet, but would require eating a wide range of meat.

                IMO you should at least go to your GP and let him know your diet and get him to organise a full blood test to detect vitamin/mineral deficiencies. A standard test won't be helpful.

              • +1

                @DisabledUser318679: It's not just about the fact that you may find most nutrients in both meat or veg. It's about the quantity of the nutritional components and how digestible they are.

  • +4

    I used to be able to do this in my younger days. The crap simply came out looking pelletized.

    Now that I'm older and sitting a lot more (thanks to WFH), I can't do this anymore.
    I once skipped veg for just a few days and ended up with a weird constipation. Despite hitting the toilet 2-3 times, some crap remained trapped inside and the gas I passed seriously reeked. I could even hear liquid slushing inside if I moved vigorously. Had to eat shitloads of vegs to clear my bowels.

    • +15

      Thanks for the graphic description, which I enjoyed reading over morning tea;)

      • I'm glad I could add some colour to this otherwise grey day.

  • +26

    i love my meat, but it's how you cook your vegetables and how you prepare fruit

    grilled miso egg plant
    cauliflower steaks with a balsalmic glaze
    sauteed mixed mushrooms on sour dough toast with truffle and olive oil
    pumpkin soup
    tahbouli
    asian vegetable curry

    fig and honey on toast
    pear, rocket,walnut and Parmesan salad
    apple pie
    poached pear and panacotta
    spiced banana bread

    oohhh i'm getting hungry

    • +1

      Really not sure why you are getting negged for this, have a plus1.

      • +1

        would be interesting to see what breakdown of votes people make… how many positive votes versus negative votes

        • +3

          Just very strange to neg someone listing some tasty vegetarian foods. Doesn't seem like something that's even possible to get upset over.

          • +3

            @brendanm: They aren't even vegetarian foods. They are just tasty dishes.

        • Click on the 'votes' link at the bottom of the comment to see the vote breakdown…

          • +1

            @lainey13: not just for the particular comment… for that particular user…

            e.g since being a member i might have made 1000 up votes but i also made 5000 down votes.

        • -2

          I'd like to see negs on your post by cultish belief in a spicy cough.

  • +1

    Maybe you feel better because you are losing excess weight, from eating less fruit.

    • Of course, my fat percentage is low and I can see my Abs. I am in no way implying that fruit and veggies are bad for health. Just asking are they over rated?

      • What's your height and weight, and what did it used to be… if you don't mind sharing?

      • +1

        I think they're underrated. Specifically Veggies are underrated.

  • +19

    Actually all food is overrated, you can save a lot money by not buying any and stopping eating altogether.

  • +9

    Bowel cancer incoming

  • +2

    I do believe there is something to be said for the type of fruit we're seeing in industrialised society today (bred to be high in fructose), however I never understood how people can cut fruit and veg out of their diets completely and function without certain micronutrients e.g. selenium, antioxidants and polyphenols, like what we see with the carnivore diet. The key is to moderate starchy simple carbs such as from bread, rice and pasta - which are essentially empty calories and spike insulin - and ensure adequate macronutrient and micronutrient intake

  • +1

    Meat ..vegies.. trolling evolution..

    Next up.. religion …politics …. insurance..

  • +3

    I really don't care what other people eat or don't eat, and it doesn't impact me anyway.
    I eat what I consider to be a balanced diet; I'm healthy and happy.

  • +10

    schizoposting intensifies

  • +6

    Maybe it coincided with stopping consuming ultra-processed junk.

    Are you being serious OP?

    Judging by your post history, I guess not…

    • -1

      First, I stopped eating ultra-processed junk. Almost 6 months later I stopped consuming fruits and veggies. In no way I am referring to fruits and veggies to ultra-processed junk. If that's what you understood.

    • +5

      These posts are very Lisa Simpson-like - an answer to a question no one asked.

      Actually it sounds more like narcissism. Like well done, you do you. Want a gold star for being different to everyone else?

    • +1

      Maybe he stopped eating sunscreen after realising it was a scam

  • as far as i'm concerned the only thing that is allowed to say fruit is overrated is probably a crocodile.

  • +11

    Ladies and Gentlemen, Pete Evans has entered the forum

  • Tomatoes are he most overvegged item mistakenly placed in stores.
    Godd for the balls too!!

  • +2

    you can do without the really high sugar fruits like mangos, bananas, grapes, etc

    i think other fruits in moderation are beneficial. vegetables are definitely beneficial

    • Watermelon is also really high

  • +2

    Just live off Mi Goreng and see how your gut health goes.

    Whats the worse that can happen besides bowel cancer and kidney stones…

    • I never ate that s**t

      • +5

        Your current diet isn't far off though ;) lacks any fibre

        • +1

          Comparing Mi Goreng to meat and eggs?

          • +1

            @DisabledUser318679: well
            neither have any fibre, basically keto.

            • +1

              @Drakesy: Mi Goreng - keto?

              • +16

                @DisabledUser318679: *Your diet is basically keto

                Actually nevermind.
                Just realised the OP is basically a shitposter
                with their other greatest hits such as
                "Is Transgender natural or mental or physical illness and the extension of ill effects of modern lifestyle?"
                "Do you think Sunscreen is a scam?"

                Tell me you didn't get an education without telling me you didn't get an education. Going against the accepted norm only works when you can disprove it…

                • @Drakesy: Good when you are wrong and ignorant on certain topic, cancel others

                  • +6

                    @DisabledUser318679: Ahhhhh
                    Spoken like a true Joe Roganer.

                    You're right, because modern medicine is all a lie and the hundreds of millions in research each year is funnelled into perpetuating a falsehood…
                    Average life expectancy has been increasing, so the current approach is working.

                    • -4

                      @Drakesy:

                      Average life expectancy has been increasing, so the current approach is working.

                      Average life expectancy is as misleading as a drug advertisement, infant mortality was a great factor then. If you know about your family history. Just go back a few generations and see how long they lived and what was the cause of their death. When I was a kid, I never heard about cancer or heart attack. Now they are common diseases.

                      You're right, because modern medicine is all a lie and the hundreds of millions in research each year are funnelled into perpetuating a falsehood…

                      Do you know who funds these trials and whether regulating agencies get to see the data or drug companies' interpretation of data? Drug companies are profit-driven at the expense of people's blind trust. You need to dig deep into these trails and studies to see how shallow the data is and how stupid their interpretations are.

                      • +8

                        @DisabledUser318679: Oh look, some conspiracy theories!

                        (pikachu-surprised.gif)

                      • +1

                        @DisabledUser318679: Yes i acknowledge that a lot of the research and trials are funded by pharmaceutical companies, but like everything you need to take it with a grain of salt.

                        A lot of science is actually grant based with NFP's or governments handing out the funding, this is how we can afford to research cancer cures, rare diseases etc. Big pharma only make up a proportion of all research.

                        You can disregard millions of dollars of non-biased research funding all you want, but at the end of the day ignorance only gets you so far.

                      • +5

                        @DisabledUser318679:

                        When I was a kid, I never heard about cancer or heart attack. Now they are common diseases.

                        Hahaha, holy shit.

                        Do you know who funds these trials and whether regulating agencies get to see the data or drug companies' interpretation of data? Drug companies are profit-driven at the expense of people's blind trust. You need to dig deep into these trails and studies to see how shallow the data is and how stupid their interpretations are.

                        Pete Evans?

                • @Drakesy: You cannot be keto if you consume milk. Milk is a high carb product, unless you refer to diluted almond milk.

            • @Drakesy: Eh, Mi Goreng has fibre from the noodles themselves, not a lot but it's there. Mi Goreng isn't really that bad for you, no worse than making your own wheat flour noodles and putting some sweet soy, garlic+onion powder and msg on it, drop of sriracha. By the time you add an egg or two and some bok choy there are a lot worse things to eat.

              The big problem with Mi Goreng isn't health related but the palm oil they use is a culprit of major deforestation.

              Just wanted to pop in because Mi Goreng (basically noodles) a carb heavy food definitely isn't keto at all. It's about as far the other direction as you can get.

  • +6

    There's a building consensus around this sort of diet, often pitched as the 'Lion' or 'Carnivore' diet. I haven't tried it myself but a few friends had and they had nothing but good things to report. Consistent themes were less cravings, more consistent energy and weight loss. If it works for you then stick at it. Have your regular health check ups to make sure your body is getting what it needs but we're all very unique. Anyone saying one particular type of diet is bad/good for everyone is just lying to you.

  • +10

    cancer that can be prevented by lifestyle choices in a nice compact poster: https://news.cancerresearchuk.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12...

    #3 low fruit & vegetables, behind obesity and smoking

    • +2

      That's a very interesting graphic!

    • +1

      Great link. Went down that rabbit hole for a good 10 minutes. Noticed the red meat link to bowel cancer too.

  • Wouldn't say they are overrated. More like the benefits of meat and less processed foods in general is underrated.

  • eating less junk would probably be the key reason…

    also, suggest you get a checkup..especially for preventing kidney stones

  • +10

    Yarrr, looks like scurvy is back in fashion

  • +5

    This has to be the most dedicated piece of trolling in the history of Ozbargain.

    • I dono, how long has JV been posting?

  • +3

    Just need to add Monster Energy drinks to complete your food pyramid!

  • How's your hair health OP? Oh wait xdddddd

  • +1

    Who wouldn't eat fruit and vegetables? That's f***ing mental - pure mumbo jumbo.

  • +2

    Consume things that are at the top of the food chain. That way you would get benefit of everything that they would have consumed underneath them.

    • +8

      Eat only great white sharks

      Don't forget lions

      And humans, good old fashion cannibalism

    • +5

      So in a modern society that would be….humans?
      I guess if you eat vegetarians you'll get your daily dietary needs

  • +2

    I do think fruit and vegetables are overrated, but that also doesn't mean you can just skip vegetables and fruit altogether. You've phrased the post in a way that suggests excluding fruit and vegetables is actually better for your health overall which can't be further from the truth. IMO most of the population's issue is with overeating than any specific food or getting a specific nutrient. That said, long term, going cold turkey on fruit and vegetables can't be good. Eventually there will be some issue down the track such as lack of Vitamin C/iron deficiency etc.

    The benefits you got can be dependent on so many factors as well, glucose rise/subsequent insulin spike causing better sleep for example.

  • +1

    You sound well educated.

  • Some fruit is quite tasty. I'd eat it just for that, regardless of what nutrients are in it.

    Who doesn't love a nice round, plump, juicy, luscious, delicious peach.

    • +1

      I love seasonal fruits. Nothing wrong in eating fruits. Just fruits like apple and banana are over rated.

      • +8

        Here's a question I just know I'm going to regret asking: Overrated by whom exactly?

        "Big Fruit"?

        • +1

          When you start to sell a product and do a big marketing campaign. It will stick in people mind. It will take a lot of undoing and years to reverse. It took a 25 years to finally realise smoking is dangerous because doctors advertised it as a heal for asthma. Just google it.
          Here are some of such myths not as dangerous as cigarettes
          Milk is important for bone health
          Apple a day keeps doctor away
          Drink certain glasses of water
          Have protein no later than 30 mins after workouts
          Sunscreen will protect you from skin cancer
          Antioxidants
          Fiber
          All marketing crap you imagine

          Regret now

          • +5

            @DisabledUser318679: Alright, bit of a mixed bag in that selection. Follow-up question:

            If you're able to understand that advertising/media and even medical experts have colluded to provide weak/unproven info in the past (smokers, apple a day) all to push an agenda..

            .. why is it any different now when Joe Rogan has an expert on to tell you to eat just meat and eggs, etc? Isn't this just exactly the same thing?

            • @CrowReally: I mentioned many times in this thread that Joe Rogan didn’t tell anyone to eat meat only. This is my personal experiment. I just mentioned he changed a lot of peoples life for good. That’s it.

              • +4

                @DisabledUser318679:

                I mentioned many times in this thread that Joe Rogan didn’t tell anyone to eat meat only.

                In that case, it would it silly to assume others are unable to do the same thing and think for themselves without you calling them an ABC sheep?

          • +2

            @DisabledUser318679:

            Sunscreen will protect you from skin cancer

            OK edgelord.

      • Apples are not rated by me st all. Unless they're rose apples or nashis. The rest can go make cider for me.

  • +1

    Are you interested in anecdotal evidence or scientific research?

    Ignore any religious aspect - you don't need to follow any religion to eat more veg, whole grains and fruits. See major findings: https://news.llu.edu/health-wellness/loma-linda-s-longevity-...


    Maybe my overall health improvement

    What's your resting HR? Blood test results?

    • +1

      Resting HR 44. Blood results everything normal. Body fat is around 15 percent that my 6 pack is visible

      • What cardio do you do?

        • +1

          I train martial arts 5 days a week with high intensity. I don’t do any cardio specifically. Weight training 3 days a week.

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