Hyundai Kona Electric 150kW $53,990 Driveaway (Save $9,427), Electric Premium $63,990 Driveaway (Save $9,847) @ Hyundai

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Hyundai Kona Electric 150kW $53,990 Driveaway (Save $9,427), Electric Premium $63,990 Driveaway (Save $9,847) @ Hyundai
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Associatedthebeep @ The Beep on 08/11/2025 - 17:00 hyundai.com (4625 clicks)
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Hyundai has quietly slashed prices on the Kona Electric with savings of up to $9,800.

The entry-level Electric 150kW is now priced from $53,990 driveaway, down almost $9,500 (-14.9%). It’s powered by a 150kW/255Nm permanent-magnet motor driving the front wheels and offers 505km WLTP range.

The higher-spec Electric Premium also drops significantly to $63,990 driveaway, a cut of nearly $9,850 (-13.3%). It shares the same motor and drivetrain but includes additional features and a 444km WLTP range.

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Note, price reductions are based on Victorian driveaway.

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  • bargainatoraah on 08/11/2025 - 17:05
    +2

    Battery warranty?

    • tonyjzx on 08/11/2025 - 18:47
      +26

      i'd write off the koreans based on their ICCU charge computers fuccin' up on a random basis and then hyundai kia not being able to supply a replacement… wtf is this

      • gunslinger on 08/11/2025 - 19:01
        +6

        Yep, seems like a crazy situation, kind of rolling the dice and there are too many stable options at the same or better price points.

      • Allsum on 08/11/2025 - 19:32
        +38

        Login'd just to flag as a current owner of an Ioniq 5, the ICCU has been a widespread problem globally and is a shared problem within the E-GMP Hyudai / Kia platforms. Hyundai did 3 software recall within the first couple years of launch and has 0 impact in reducing ICCU failure rate.

        To make the problem worse, Hyundai AU has been an absolute nightmare to deal with in terms of organising a temporary/loaner vehicle considering the repair takes anywhere from 4-8 weeks due to parts shortage, personally it took 3 phone calls, 2 separate email and 1.5 weeks of back and forth to get a loaner.

        Some in the facebook owners group has reported a 2nd failure already since their first replacement, with the average lifespan of the first replacement around 2 to 2.5 yrs. Hyundai AU hasnt been clear either on post warranty support and repair costs are easily over 5 digits from my 1st replacement. This will be my last Hyundai vehicle.

        • tonyjzx on 08/11/2025 - 19:37
          +1

          'these are not serious people'

        • tunzafun001 on 08/11/2025 - 20:07
          +2

          Wow…. Hyundai and Mitsubishi are both pieces of $hit!

          • kamykazi on 08/11/2025 - 20:13
            +19

            @tunzafun001: Dang Mitsubishi catching strays out here.

            • tunzafun001 on 08/11/2025 - 23:33
              +5

              @kamykazi: Mitsi have a car not fit for purpose. Well aware of it. Do everything they can to stop you claiming warranty on it (couldn't get any dealer to scan my car in over 2 years). Then want to put you into a "goodwill" negotiated repair (pay 50%) for a warranty item. Then the ultimate RED FLAG for dodgey … They make you sign a hush order so you can never speak of the failure.

              If you don't go that path, they are happy to be taken to court (they have lost something north of 100 cases). In fact they didn't even turn up to defend some (as they have no defence).

              BUT..hand it to them. They are working the system and only need to pay warranty to those willing to go all the way through the courts. So many just pay half as a goodwill (secretly disclosed on private messaging).
              Consumer affairs clearly toothless.

              Also, I assume for Mitsi to stop you from even having your warranty assessed, they don't have the finances to pay all warranties and are just about done and dusted. The Chinese car manufacturers just need to put a fork in them…they are cooked.

        • khepri on 08/11/2025 - 20:33
          +12

          100% agree.
          Current Ioniq 5 owner and in addition to the numerous recalls, have had two massive faults (charging and air con) that have collectively taken 7 seperate workshop visits and something like like 3 months without the car, with almost no help from Hyundai.
          It's a lovely car when it works, it just doesn't work very often

          • DeToxin on 09/11/2025 - 22:01
            +1

            @khepri: After reading this I'm glad we cheaped out and got a petrol kona instead of the EV option. I'm assuming the issues are with the full EVs but not the hybrids?

            • MilkDrinker on 22/11/2025 - 00:38

              @DeToxin: Its with the ioniq range, the kona seem to have gotten scott free as far as I hear

        • serpserpserp on 08/11/2025 - 23:07

          But Japanese and Korean cars are so reliable….

          • payless69 on 09/11/2025 - 15:10

            @serpserpserp: The Korean built diesels are fine.
            US built engines are pretty u/s
            Anyone having Kia EV issues?

        • Nom on 09/11/2025 - 15:49

          repair costs are easily over 5 digits

          @Allsum are you saying that it's the owners that end up footing the bill ???

          Surely if it's a known issue, then repair costs should be $0 once it's acknowledged as a known defect.

          • Allsum on 09/11/2025 - 17:22

            @Nom: Its covered under warranty but its not clear if the issue has been fully rectify since the part number is identical and there are reports of repeating failure.

            Hyundai AU may choose to class this as a wear and tear part post warranty (they have not been clear) instead. This is equivalent to an ICE car replacing a very expensive alternator in a relatively short interval.

            • Nom on 09/11/2025 - 18:40

              @Allsum: Understood.

              I think in a case like this, Hyundai will have no option but to keep on replacing the failed parts at their expense.

              A consumer's rights include things like this :

              A product sold to a consumer must be of acceptable quality.

              Acceptable quality means the product:

              is safe, durable and free from defects

              This language is completely unambiguous - if they refused to pay outside of the warranty period, the consumer can plainly see that the car has both a defect AND a lack of durability. There is no definition of "acceptable quality" that includes these things and their resulting five figure repair bill.

      • drprox on 08/11/2025 - 21:23
        +1

        Yep was tossing up on a polestar 2 and EV6 recently and went with the P2 with this being a significant reason.

        • HunterBargainHunter on 08/11/2025 - 22:26
          +2

          Kia ev6 gt for around 60k second hand was so appealing until I found out about this issue

          • drprox on 08/11/2025 - 22:47
            +1

            @HunterBargainHunter: Yep we grabbed a P2 performance for about the same price as I was seeing at the time a few weeks back. No regrets so far :)

        • Lt Frank Drebin on 09/11/2025 - 09:46
          +2

          Have you read some of the forums regarding Polestar support?! Even worse!

          • drprox on 09/11/2025 - 12:55

            @Lt Frank Drebin: yep but the cars seem to have less issues so less support is ok… I have spare cars anyway so I just try enjoy how it drives and hope for the best. Worst case it goes in for months and I drive another car and feel sad.
            Edit - I will say this is specifically regarding the P2. The P3/4 seem to have plenty more issues due to the tech involved and certainly experience wise no doubt some of it depends on which dealer you have to deal with, as it does with any car brand.

      • edvoon on 10/11/2025 - 15:48
        -1

        Seems like the Kona Electric didn't have the ICCU issue - was wondering what that was as I have an old 2019 Kona Electric and never heard of the ICCU problem.
        It did famously have a fire-prone battery which turned out to be a plus because a lot of older Kona Electric got brand new batteries installed due to that.

    • kungfuman on 08/11/2025 - 22:35
      +10

      lol the prices are so not worth it for a Hyundai electic you are better off getting a byd or tesla. for that much.

      • Illyria on 09/11/2025 - 12:20
        -2

        Imagine buying a Tesla in 2025 lol

        • payless69 on 09/11/2025 - 15:12

          Is there an option??

        • kungfuman on 09/11/2025 - 15:52
          +4

          Why would no one buy a Tesla? It’s still rated the best ev in the world, highest safety rating has full self driving and doesn’t have expensive servicing, as well as Tesla charging infrastructure is everywhere and reliable, only Tesla owners get the best charging rates as well. Sooooo good luck with your Hyundai lol

        • howcan on 10/11/2025 - 06:50
          -2

          It's very easy to imagine when you're not living in the Canberra public service / Bluesky / Reddit echo chamber being controlled like a sheep.

          • edvoon on 10/11/2025 - 15:42

            @howcan: Always funny how Petro-sheep think everyone else is sheep except them.
            In my experience EV owners are early adopters BECAUSE they are actually forward thinking people, not like sheep who just go on paying for fuel because that's what they've always done.

            • howcan on 10/11/2025 - 18:15
              +1

              @edvoon: Actually if you had the ability to understand the context of my reply, you may would have noted the discussion at that point was specifically about buying Tesla's. Instead, your inability to follow a simple discussion thread has led you to explode in an unhinged rant about petrol powered vehicles and owners ("petro-sheep") and comments about EV owners - all irrelevant to the specific brand that was being discussed. Classic Bluesky/Redditor 😂 Thanks for the laugh and for fulfilling the stereotype.

  • chickenchipsgravy on 08/11/2025 - 17:06
    +57

    still too expensive than Geely EX5, with less options — the Chinese are cutting Korea's lunch, ni hao.

    • SetTheFaqUp on 08/11/2025 - 17:08
      +8

      As well the Atto 3.

      • team teri on 08/11/2025 - 18:15
        +8

        Atto 3 is getting a bit dated. MG S5 would be better if you want a more established brand.

        If you trust that Geely will stay around long enough to honour their warranty if needed, the EX5 is the best value option. Friends just bought one.

        • TheFreaK on 08/11/2025 - 18:25
          +9

          I would be amazed if Geely fails given how large the group is

          • Speedz on 08/11/2025 - 18:52
            +9

            @TheFreaK: Many don't know Geely also owns Zeekr and Volvo passenger cars

            • 1st-Amendment on 08/11/2025 - 21:39
              +5

              @Speedz:

              Many don't know Geely also owns Zeekr and Volvo passenger cars

              How could we not know, every EV thread has someone telling us like they just found out yesterday…

          • Eivad on 08/11/2025 - 19:11
            +15

            @TheFreaK: It's more about whether Geely itself stays in the Australian market or whether they pull themselves out. There aren't exactly any benefits to Geely owning Volvo, Polestar, etc. If you own a Polestar you can't get it serviced by Volvo nor can you get any parts from a Volvo dealer, or vice versa. The cars are also manufactured in different locations. May as well treat them as separate, standalone brands.

            • Tycn on 08/11/2025 - 20:12
              +7

              @Eivad: Polestar services are done at Volvo dealers…

            • Eeples on 09/11/2025 - 13:12

              @Eivad: Zeekr owners might be able to get their services at Volvo. Eg Volvo can do Volvo EX30 (obviously) you would think they could do Zeekr -x

          • effgee on 11/11/2025 - 16:26

            @TheFreaK: GM went bust a couple of times in their early history. Then the US guberment had to bail out multiple auto mfrs after the gfc ~2008. Don't be too surprised.

        • serpserpserp on 08/11/2025 - 23:09
          +1

          If you trust geely to stay around that long……. You say it like they aren't one of the biggest car manufacturers in the world.

          • caperite on 09/11/2025 - 06:02
            +3

            @serpserpserp: The question isn't if Geely goes under - they won't. It's whether the choose to stay in the Australian market.

          • SanguinarySeraph on 09/11/2025 - 09:21
            +2

            @serpserpserp: And Australia is one of the smallest and most competitive markets.

            As of 2025 Geely was the 8th largest after Renault-Nissan 4th and Stellantis 5th both known to be in dire straits - being big is not immunity.

            I agree with the other comments though, I doubt Geely itself is going anywhere but which subsidiaries they keep in Australia is pretty questionable. Geely and Lotus are somewhat differentiated, but Volvo, Polestar, Zeekr and Smart are all directly competing with each other.

        • ATangk on 08/11/2025 - 23:22

          Honestly, I still really like the look of the Red Atto 3. You can't get that colour anymore but it looks kinda cute and slightly pompous.

          • shiny1 on 09/11/2025 - 01:17

            @ATangk: I'm still mad the Seal didn't have that red. Instead it got black, white, blue grey 1 and blue grey 2. Like what the hell? Are they allergic to vibrancy?

            "Settled" for a black Seal.

        • team teri on 09/11/2025 - 19:51

          Not expecting Geely to go bust.

          But our market is small, and we have plenty of brands selling here. Overheads must be a fair bit higher than in bigger markets, a good reason for some brands to pack up and leave.

          An example that happened to me, a year after I bought a car from them Daihatsu Australia shut down. Daihatsu still exists as a brand, just not here any more. Fortunately they are owned by Toyota, and that ensured that service continued. Not sure whether Toyota would have handled warranty claims, back then, with a 3 year warranty on the car, I didn't need anything…

    • BestTechAdvisor on 08/11/2025 - 19:16

      The Picanto is nearly as expensive as the Atto 1

    • xrailgun on 08/11/2025 - 19:18
      +9

      i remember test driving and trying to negotiate on a 2.5 years old 'dealer demo' electric kona earlier this year, had 6 months of warranty left. they wouldn't budge, over 7k more than a brand new geely ex5 inspire with fresh warranty.

      the salesman really did say that hyundai is a "prestigious badge" worth paying for lol.

      • whichwhatwho on 08/11/2025 - 20:30
        +4

        Nobody here knows that Genesis is their prestigious brand because their 'cheap' brand is now just priced too far up. Like the Kia ev9 at 110k, optioned up, is just absurd.

        • ATangk on 08/11/2025 - 23:24
          -2

          Genesis? There's that rotting yard in Parramatta full of delapidated Genesis cars. Missing body panels, flat tyres. Covered in dust and spiderwebs.

    • tightm8 on 08/11/2025 - 19:21
      +15

      Mum has the ex-5 it so far (2 months) has been a joy.

      At this price the Koreans are dreaming.

      People love having a go at the Chinese but thanks to them the others are being forced to be more reasonable with their rrp’s.

      The are not ‘slashing’ their price, they’re just cutting back exorbitant profits.

    • Daabido on 08/11/2025 - 19:56
      +1

      Ah, I see you know your Chinese well.

    • MDSUXKS on 08/11/2025 - 19:58
      +1

      Yep geely ex5 all day long. Or a used Tesla model y 2023 form Tesla with enhanced autopilot and 1 year of extra warranty.

      • nadan on 08/11/2025 - 22:01
        +15

        Imagine if you took off your rose glasses and realised that we did the same with Holden and Ford despite them being very small, they simply pocketed the billions and left. Every country does this and no one ever questions it but when the Chinese do it we question it. I guess the wester propaganda has been very effective.

        • tanksinatra on 09/11/2025 - 09:05
          +2

          I actually believe that both of you are correct.

          • SanguinarySeraph on 09/11/2025 - 10:33
            +1

            @tanksinatra: You must be new, I’m pretty sure the internet is no place for nuance, or understanding that multiple viewpoints can be valid.

        • Tyler Kwok on 09/11/2025 - 10:09
          +2

          spot on double standard, not uncommon.

          like it or hate it, i am glad to see more competition to give established jap car brands a wake up call and get lost with those top spec $90k kluggers that's not even better equipped than the entry level ccp cars.

  • WhyAmICommenting on 08/11/2025 - 17:10
    +28

    What is this, an EV discount for ants?

  • felto82 on 08/11/2025 - 17:10
    +3

    They have just announced their 7 Year Warranty too.

    • MetalPhreak on 09/11/2025 - 04:00
      +2

      what is a 7 year warranty worth, if they refuse to fix under that warranty (Mitsubishi) or it leaves you without a car for 6-8 weeks while you wait for parts that are going to fail in the exact same way (hopefully again just before 'warranty' expires).

      Every struggling company now is offering 10yr warranties with not a care in the world of genuinely honouring them

  • Far Cough on 08/11/2025 - 17:12
    +28

    still 20k too much for the size

  • J0hn on 08/11/2025 - 17:12
    +6

    Not worth

      • rooster7777 on 08/11/2025 - 20:12
        +15

        Your name says a bit about you… and comparing the plastic content of a new EV vs an XW for is stupid.
        If you compare a modern IC car vs an EV the comparison is credible…. yours is not.

        Likewise being a proverbial ostrich sticking your head in the sand about environmental issues… if you were to say you don't give a crap about future generations you'd be honest…. but you don't say that.

        The thing is…. rational folks believe scientists, not silly old farts that are living generations ago blowing out a crock of bollocks.

        For background… I have never owned a car less than 10 years old… I currently have a 2011 ford with a few extras for parts… I'm an old fart but a difference between you and me is that I understand a bit of science, and listen to those who know more than me.

        One day I likely will own an EV if I can find one at the right price with a suitable range…. because I can run it on lots of free solar.

        • revheadgl on 08/11/2025 - 20:28
          +1

          My user name came from a failed business attempt. It was clothing related. Nothing more than that. I just stuck with it as I could not be bothered to change it. Just so happens I have an old car.

          Also, my car is an XR, XW came out 2 years later.

          My head is not in the sand at all. Australia is one of the most resource rich countries in the world. Our successive governments are squandering it just to keep themselves in power.

          And thanks for the old fart comment. Fairly true.

          • Hardlyworkin on 08/11/2025 - 23:20
            +2

            @revheadgl: True. Australia is rich with plenty of sun. Running a house and car from it is proof.

            • entropysbane on 09/11/2025 - 10:55
              -1

              @Hardlyworkin: Sure, but enough power sufficient to run a cottage does having a few scaling up issues. In fact my solar panels and battery, while freeing me from a fair chunk of market distorted electricity prices I also know it will not actually run an civilisation. And civilisation is built on gobs of and ever expanding gobs of readily available power delivered as cheaply and efficiently as possible. New sources of power tend to add to the total, not replace. We are going through a process that is trying to replace. What fun.

              Anyway back on topic, driving a range of EVs for work, I find the Hyundais and Kias the most appealing for me (then Tesla, then MGs and the like). On a Hyundai the indicator stalk is on the proper side for one, a very, very big plus, and it has the easiest setup to access controls without having to delve through menu screens.
              I even like how the process of opening doors more than the others. YMMV though.

          • rooster7777 on 08/11/2025 - 21:59
            +12

            @1st-Amendment: Gawd…. not you again!
            The person whose reality is demonstrably so faulted that they bang on about the first amendment in australia.
            I've learnt my lesson… there's no wisdom to be discovered through discussion with you, just continual spouting of your alternative version of reality.
            Fork off.

            • 1st-Amendment on 08/11/2025 - 22:59
              -2

              @rooster7777:

              there's no wisdom to be discovered through discussion with you

              Yet here you are doing exactly that… Truly remarkable logic on display here…

          • [Deactivated] on 08/11/2025 - 22:09
            +1

            @1st-Amendment: What a weird word salad. Almost all (aside from a few big egos who want attention from the conservative media, less than 2%) scientists in relevant fields agree that climate change is real and being driven by human emissions.

            The answer to his question is simple: The new EV. Old car emissions are insane. They have incomplete combustion and the various hydrocarbons are far, far worse for climate change than simple CO2. The recycling costs are miniscule compared to the impacts of those emissions. We're better at recycling cars than many people believe.

            Glad I could help

            • 1st-Amendment on 08/11/2025 - 22:18
              -8

              @[Deactivated]:

              scientists in relevant fields agree that climate change is real

              Lol So when I mentioned silly slogans you thought you'd double down with the silliest unscientific slogan there is?
              'cLiMaTe ChAnGe Is ReAl' is not science, it's a slogan. Come back when you have an equation that predicts an event, then we'll test it to see how it works in real life. That is how actual science is done.

              We're better at recycling cars than many people believe.

              Where are your numbers? Slogans are not science, numbers are

              • [Deactivated] on 08/11/2025 - 22:27
                +4

                @1st-Amendment: My god your willful ignorance and pedantry is exhausting. Climate change is real in that the world is, on average, warming dramatically and at a rate that is unprecedented according to all the evidence available to us about historical climate trends. That's what people who are engaging in good faith interpret that statement to mean. But you're a classic keyboard warrior whose interest is in muddying things with silly words rather than engaging with reality.

                I don't know why I even engage with you though. You're a waste of time.

                • 1st-Amendment on 08/11/2025 - 22:37
                  -8

                  @[Deactivated]:

                  Climate change is real

                  There you go again with the slogan… If you say more times does it suddenly become true? I'm pretty sure that is not how actual science works…

                  the world is, on average, warming dramatically

                  Define dramatically? I know arts students love drama but in actual science we don't define things in terms of drama, we use measurable numbers.

                  that is unprecedented

                  More emotional language, zero numbers. The warming after last few ice ages was much more 'dramatic' wasn't it? What caused that? What about previous warming periods such as the Roman warm period or the Medieval warm period. Were they precedented or unprecedented? How do you decide?

                  That's what people who are engaging in good faith interpret that statement to mean

                  That's what people who have no idea how science actually works speak. And then those people claim to be on the side of science without ever producing a shred of science to back up their cult like thinking. It truly is a circus.

                  • [Deactivated] on 08/11/2025 - 22:41
                    +3

                    @1st-Amendment: Here's the thing, I don't want to spend my Saturday night talking to you about this when I know and you know there are thousands of scientific studies out there that answer all your questions. You're wilfully ignorant because you're conservative. That's the fact of the matter. You are very very silly, and I don't know why I can't help but engage with the silly people like you on the internet. You need help, but so do I for talking to you…

                    • 1st-Amendment on 08/11/2025 - 22:55
                      -3

                      @[Deactivated]:

                      there are thousands of scientific studies out there that answer all your questions

                      So you don't know and that's ok. The man on TV told you 'cLiMaTe ChAnGe Is ReAl!!!' and you bought into it.

                      I'll leave you with this:
                      https://www.wmbriggs.com/post/46678/

                      • [Deactivated] on 08/11/2025 - 22:59
                        +4

                        @1st-Amendment: Lmao I literally work with climate scientists. I don't listen to the man on the TV unless they're also a climate scientist.

                        That link is bizarrely irrelevant. Your reading comprehension must be very bad.

                        • 1st-Amendment on 08/11/2025 - 23:03
                          -4

                          @[Deactivated]:

                          Lmao I literally work with climate scientists

                          You clean their toilets? Cool Story. When you get to work on Monday ask one them to explain the difference between deterministic and probabilistic modelling.

                          For someone who doesn't want to waste their Saturday night you're not very good at self discipline..

                          .

                          • [Deactivated] on 08/11/2025 - 23:11
                            +1

                            @1st-Amendment: Nah you're right about one thing at least. I'm bad at self discipline when very stupid people who inexplicably think they're smart talk to me. It triggers something in my brain. Thanks for making my check myself.

                          • Eeples on 09/11/2025 - 13:15

                            @1st-Amendment: Your trolling is ridiculous.

                            I suppose it’s school holidays somewhere.

      • poldy on 08/11/2025 - 20:15
        +5

        You do make a good point.

        The most environmentally friendly car is the car that you already own.
        Buying a new car to save the planet is a furphy.

        • Joxer on 08/11/2025 - 20:39

          We really should go back to horse and carriage eh? Or model Ts, I mean why bother with new anything. Those clothes you can patch, shoes re-sole, keep your CRT, etc.

          People are going to buy new cars because they don't have one or wish to update just like you do with everything else you own. There's not many items you've had since birth until now, so don't pretend you keep everything and never need to buy anything new.

          The point is, compare new for new. Recycling is great but hey you want your kid's first car to be a 58 year old death trap? I'd like to see you buy one, if you could afford to get one and maintain it go for it.

          • 1st-Amendment on 08/11/2025 - 22:00
            -2

            @Joxer:

            The point is, compare new for new.

            Why?

            If Greta Doomgoblin is to be believed, we only have 5 years to save the earth! And that was 6 years ago!
            When the stakes are so high surely we should consider all options, not just those that the sponsors of the show you are watching are trying to sell you?

            a 58 year old death trap

            Did you even think about that before you wrote it? If it's 58 years old and still driving then it's unlikely to have killed anyone.

            • [Deactivated] on 08/11/2025 - 22:12
              +1

              @1st-Amendment: I really wonder why you (incorrectly) quote a child rather than scientists. Greta never said that and if she did why would we listen to her?

              The scientists who study this stuff are much clearer and more specific about what we need to be doing and the consequences of inaction.

              • 1st-Amendment on 08/11/2025 - 22:26
                -4

                @[Deactivated]:

                The scientists who study this stuff are much clearer and more specific

                You say that, but here we are, 40 years into failed predictions… Could you shed some light on this clarity, because all I've been hearing for 40 years is 'cLiMaTe ChAnGe Is ReAl!!!' For something supposedly 'settled science', there never seems to ever be any presented. Lots of hot air, very little actual science. Why do you think that is?

                I mean as a comparison, if someone questioned if gravity is real I'd just give them an equation F=mg and they could test it themselves. It's that simple. No need for hysterics.
                The complete lack of any equations or formulas or robust validation, and extreme amounts of posturing are more akin to a circus than science.

                the consequences of inaction.

                40 years of failed predictions. Wake me up when you have one that works.

            • [Deactivated] on 08/11/2025 - 22:31

              @1st-Amendment: Current warming trends are at the upper end of the IPCC models. Last year was the warmest year on record. The last decade was the warmest decade on record.

              Wait though, you're about to tell me all that data is flawed and part of some grand conspiracy. Because it's too inconvenient to acknowledge reality.

              • 1st-Amendment on 08/11/2025 - 22:53
                -3

                @[Deactivated]:

                upper end of the IPCC models

                Models lol…

                Last year was the warmest year on record

                'On record' is also not a scientific measure. What record specifically?

                Wait though, you're about to tell me all that data is flawed and part of some grand conspiracy

                What data, you never provided any?
                If you understand how measurements are taken you would understand that 'the record' is again drama, not science.

        • Tleyx on 08/11/2025 - 20:54
          +2

          People are buying new cars either way might as well be electric

        • [Deactivated] on 08/11/2025 - 22:10
          +1

          Nah, this is actually wrong. Your existing car does not get thrown in a dump. It enters the second hand car market, and it replaces an older car that is likely to be far less fuel efficient. So the most appropriate way to think about it is you're scrapping the oldest car in the second hand market to make way for your new one, and given the old fleet are incredibly fuel inefficient and bad for the environment it's actually a net benefit.

        • klaw81 on 10/11/2025 - 18:14
          +1

          The most environmentally friendly car is the car that you already own.

          This is demonstrably false - there are plenty of scientific studies that debunk this concept.

          The amount of environmental cost associated with mass manufacturing is vastly over-stated. Simultaneously, the environmental cost of operating a vehicle on a daily basis is commonly under-estimated.

          In general, continuing to drive your current ICE vehicle will surpass the environmental cost of manufacturing and driving an equivalent replacement EV within 2 or 3 years in Australia. Downsizing from an SUV to a sedan or hatchback (which are generally more efficient by a significant margin) at the same time would reduce this margin even more.

      • smartazz104 on 08/11/2025 - 20:25
        +4

        58yo Ford ute?

        You really think constructing an EV is worse than 58 years of CO emissions…

        • revheadgl on 08/11/2025 - 20:32

          Really? My car has paid its carbon debt. It was built in 1967.I am the 3rd owner and have had it for 22yrs. How many cars have you had in that time? I typically do about 3k a year in it.

          • Morven on 08/11/2025 - 21:34
            +6

            @revheadgl: I'm the second owner of a BYD EV with 73,000km on it. Battery health 94%. Drives like new. I charge from solar, do about 15k km a year. No exhaust. They're great vehicles. My old petrol car was on its last legs. I didn't bring a new car into the world. Best purchase I've made for a long time.

            • revheadgl on 08/11/2025 - 21:43
              +2

              @Morven: I am genuinely glad you are having a good experience. Like I said, I am just stirring things up a bit, and I really would like to be able to buy one at some point.

            • ssdexecutor82 on 09/11/2025 - 03:47

              @Morven: are the seats comfortable?

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