cheap DDR 4 memory if you need it,
Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 3200MHz C16 Desktop Gaming Memory Black ~CMK32GX4M2E3200C16
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Doubt it, unfortunately there is a RAM shortage due to AI. I recently thought a Corsair vengeance 64GB (2x32GB) kit for $520 on Amazon, it has since jumped to $599.
usually its a video card shortage for AI? now its ram?
This will probably affect video cards as well, since they also have DRAM.
RAM is in video cards, servers also use RAM. Consumer and AI grade RAM all come from the same factories and those manufacturers just realised that the profit margin on the RAM wanted by AI companies are way way higher than consumer RAM, so what would a rational CEO do? Ramp up production and allocate more of their manufacturing time for AI components and don't produce as much consumer grade stuff, which leads to shortages, hence price goes up.
@btchodler: almost like over charging just for the hell of it eg NASA will pay 20k for a door handle on a space shuttle door and a consumer will pay for the same thing for 200 bucks :D
@btchodler: I recall somewhere that the top 10% of earners in the US are driving 70% of the spending, meaning the other 90% there are basically getting priced out of everything else.
I’d extrapolate that to the whole world, since prices in general are rising dramatically for EVERYONE around the world, almost as if to cater exclusively to the rich.
@FujinShu: That may be true for certain assets, like housing, shares, cryptocurrencies, but I don't think it is the case for consumer goods, not to that extent at least. The rich will need to eat just the same amount of food as poor people, its not like Jeff Bezos need like multiple cartoons of eggs every day or their demand for other food is that much more than other people.
I bought some G.Skill Flare X5 for 300 and they are now 500+ lol
u brought 64gb ddr5 or ddr4?
The AI bubble is really ruining the computer hobbyist scene.
yeah alot of people still have ddr 4 so more of the cheap deals will most likely be on ddr 4 ram more than ddr 5
Please someone confirm as it is so confusing checking all the comments as I’m waiting for ddr5 to go on discount. But here they are talking about price hike. If there is no discount going to go on DDR5 I’ll buy this DDR4
Or should I wait??
DDR5 and DDR4 are for different motherboards and not interchangeable.
Check what will fit in your motherboard.
@nosuccess: Sorry I should’ve mentioned I’m trying to build a PC with ryzen 7 7800x3d, 560ti 1tb Nvme ssd, 16*2 32 gb ram well I’ll go to Am5 so then I have to buy DDR 5. So till now I have bought ryzen 7 7800x3d processor on AliExpress sale which was posted from here.
I’m not in desperate to build this I just want to built it slow with lowest cost as I want to buy everything from sale
if you are desperate there are a few 'out of stock' listings in amazon that you can try and see if they ever ship it like this: https://www.amazon.com.au/Lexar-Performance-Computer-Support…
I ordered some Corsair Vengeance (5600) 32gb for $176, now its not listed anymore but will see if they ship it anytime soon lol
Amazon doesnt take any money till they ship it so it doesnt really matter to me if they dont ever give it, meantime been looking for other deals.
i did this 2 weeks ago and they never shipped. i canceled them.
Mine is arriving this Sunday and I only did it last week
as I said if you are desperate there is no harm in keeping up the order, they dont take your money till it ships
@Freestyle: yeah but i got a better deal from Ebay ordered 3 of these and it worked out to be $186 each https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/931965
What's the difference between the two options? Both seem to be 32gb (2x16gb) but one is $115 and the other $128.76
there is no stock of that one,
Ah yep, I see that now. Strange it isn't marked as unavailable
Thanks I just got gifted and older high spec PC but it only has 16gb ram. This is just what I was after
3200 CL16 and the other is 3600 CL18
They have same effective latency but the 3600 is still better. Can't remember exact math
Will i notice any difference for a gaming pc running 16gb now? Or just wait and go 32gb on the next build
Check your system utilisation during gaming, if the games you're playing aren't maxing out your RAM (14-15GB being used) then you're fine
RAM doesn't really have too big of an impact on gaming anyway
If you're struggling to multitask or in productivity apps then yeah 32GB is the way to go
It’s hard to tell. Ram is one of those things that will use all available ram on tap.
Some games like Anno 1800 needs a system with at least 32GB's.. after playing for 3 hours my windows states I'm using 29Gb's of ram
But first person shooters and are fine with 16Gb's… 32GB is future proofing. After the next gen consoles come out with 32G of shared system/GPU memory it will be the new standard amount.
RTS or simulators / city building games love lots of ram
32GB is future proofing
You "future proof" things when you buy them.
It is too late to future proof them when they are already obsolete. As anything running DDR4 already is. Fitting more memory to something at the end of its life is just trying to delay the inevitable of having to replace it. Any upgrades bought then have to be really cheap because they only improve it for the short time remaining of its life. Cheap second hand memory might be worth it. New old slow RAM in an old machine bought when new old RAM is expensive probably isn't.
in a year from now if he wants to play one of those RTS games that uses lots of ram he can VS he cant on the 16Gb system.. thats future proofing… yes he may not get another 5 years out of a DDR4 PC but in the next few years it will be fine
5800X3D's are still going strong
obsolete already?
i do know my 5700x 64gb DDR4 9070XT will still last many years if i choose not to upgrade even just gaming… cause i play at 4k. At 4k its near par or par with a 7800x3d/9800x3d at "4k".. look up the data..
in some gaming benchmarks of ddr4 vs ddr 5, ddr wins out for some reason too.
14th gen intel have ddr4 and ddr 5 variant mobos..
but all tech is obsolete once its released right..
128gb is the new 32gb
64gb/48GB/96GB LOL is 128GB is still only for workstations
seriously though, What games these days needs more than 32gb?
128GB RAM is overkill, I have 64GB and I run VMs. 64GB is plenty for me.
My home server has 512GB of RAM. I don't need it, but the thought of having more RAM than my last PC had SSD storage was too hard to pass up.
At 4W per stick x 24 sticks that's 96W of continous power consumption, at least half of which is waste cause I barely use 128GB even with transcoding and unpacking files in RAM.
Makes me feel so decedant.
haha, I think you'd be better off being decadent else where. eg, for my build I went with the 9950X3D instead of the 9800X3D.
More ram than last PC is a great flex mate. Good on ya!!
Pretty sure I bought the 3600mhz of this kit last year for <$90 from Amazon.
Yeah ram was very low earlier this year, but it's ballooning ATM.
Just FYI I got this for $85 from Centrecom in march this year
Ai is now ruining memory prices like miners ruined GPU prices;(
And how AI is STILL ruining GPU prices…
AI is ruining everything and the entire industry doesn't even make any profit.
Yes isn't it always this price, i remember it's normally around $120. Is this a deal now cause of the ram price hikes due to AI gpus taking up the manufacturing capacity
Bought this back in 2023 for around $71
Obviously price has gone up due supply and demand. I've been buying this the past few years for my PCs too. I used to buy fancier more expensive DRAM, but decided this amply met my needs and preferred budget a few years ago.
I bought my last 32GB CL16 kit of this on Amazon Oct 2024. AUD$85, but that was an exceptionally keen price back then, the the lowest I'd seen for years for Corsair Vengeance LPX. It's solid memory. $129? If needing to buy now the only question one needs to ask is 'what's the price of it or that of a peer competitor elsewhere'?
Double check that when you have four dimms populated that your memory speed doesnt ramp down and disable dual channel support. Had 64GB and defailted down to 2100 and could only reach 2888, removed two 16’s and machine is much more responsive under load using 32gb Use the correct slots.
Been planning on updating my OzBargain Elitedesk with more RAM as my docker containers are running at max. Looks like this will work, but speed will be downclocked
Just check the ram size.
Some of the micro PCs use laptop sized RAM chips.
Yeah, I checked the official HP site. fingers crossed
My bad, SFF should be using normal ram chips, from the photo I thought it was a mini.
My current system has 32GB of CMK32GX4M2B3000C15. If I add the kit from this link (CMK32GX4M2E3200C16), well I'm pretty sure it would work, but would it still allow me to enable XMP profiles via bios?
Never really messed around too much with memory clock speeds beyond enabling the stock XMP profile so I'm very green when it comes to things like this. The last time I overclocked was the Celeron 300A.
And what a time that was…. 300A to near 450 PII speeds. 450 PII was also the flagship at the time, IIRC.
Nowadays, I just spend the extra $$ for stability. The industry has caught on as to the headroom in each individual CPU die. Most MBs have auto OC built-in, like the CPU themselves have auto boost. Manually permanently OCing really isn't worthwhile anymore, I think. Plus there really hasn't been that much real world improvement when it comes to CPU, let alone trading stability for an extra 5% clock speed. I am still rocking a 6700k as a daily desktop driver.
Going back to your question, it will be a lottery once you start mixing RAMs of different speeds over 4 slots. Better to just buy 4 of the same, I think.
What builds are people upgrading with DDR4 these days? Aside from maybe 5800X3D I would've thought there isn't anything good enough to bother upgrading (let alone buying new) anymore?
Used to be great pricing for second hand ddr4 system as close as last month.
Ryzen 5600 for $100
AM4 motherboard for $50
32gb DDR4 for $50
Any PSU for $50
1tb ssd for $70
Slap in your own GPU of choise, 6700xt for around $300 (personally got one for $175) or a 3060/ti
Free amd wraith cooler
All of this can be found regularly on Facebook marketplace and youve got a budget build. Sub $700.
Now that ssd and RAM prices are up it's not as good but DDR4 isnt dead by any mean
Err, but who is buying such a build today?
For niche cases like a kid's gaming machine maybe, ok sure. But other than that?
I usually buy everything second hand if possible. Ocau is a great source.
If not ocau then Ozbargain. I usually get 1 gen behind, I got the 5600x when the 7000 series released. That being said, you're right. For "today" id wait for ryzens next gen then get a 9700x which is am5/ddr5
@aong152: People sell 2nd hand gear on OCAU & OzB?
I've got a 8700K, 48GB DDR4, and a 2080 Ti. I was wanting to buy a GPU since the 3080 came out, but with prices just being straight up insulting, I've held out with the GPU, and since there's no point upgrading the rest until I've got a new GPU, I'm basically stuck across the board. It would be nice to get a 5800X3D 2nd hand for for a good price, but that just isn't going to happen until they're all entirely obsolete. Especially now that DDR5 has skyrocketed, which means anyone sitting on a 5800X3D is that much more likely to stay put …
@Grazz989: @Grazz989 ocau for second hand. Ozbargain for new :)
And ocau will gladly sell you one-two gen old stuff. It's a forum for overclockers who build expensive systems to run one benchmark, hardly game and then do it again when the next gen pops out.
play at 4k or even some 2k.. and cpu isnt all the rage some make it out to be. because at 4k it becomes more gpu intensive….. my 5700 non x3d is near or on par with 7800x3d and 9800x3d in several titles at 4k.. sure id get wrecked at 1080p.. but i play at 4k and im not a kid
@Grazz989: ive played 4k on less.
member when the1080 was the ultimate 4k card?
i get what you are saying though. but im also a dlss/fsr fg perp… use to just have 4k 60hz panel for lesser cards than my 9070xt.. now i have a 144hz panel tuned to 120hz.. with fsr i can maximize most games on this panel. at the same time my game library isnt all unoptimized AAAAAAAAAA made this year.. old games like Mad max or indy games are usually a breeze to run. the newest game i have… around 120 fps on BF6 at 4k custom high settings.
I think it's a perfectly sensible build for the budget minded. It's bang on for price/performance ratio.
Any CPU from the last 5 years is still great for desktop browsing/office use. And gaming is really down to the GPU these days so I would just modify the build with a 9070 16GB for gaming.
A great GPU + 32GB ram + any budget CPU setup from the last 5 years would be a very shrewd build IMO.
@Jstrrrr: You realise that's a $1,000 bloody GPU yeah? Not exactly a budget choice and a far cry from the 6700xt/3060 ti we were actually discussing yeah?
@Grazz989: Yes I do realise that. That's actually exactly the point. By "budget", I simply meant "best way to spend your money". 9070 is just a price point for some people. You can replace it with 9060 or anything else that fits within your total budget for that matter.
Gone are the days where you a buy a current gen CPU to couple with a current gen GPU and everything else. Desktop computing hasn't really needed any of the CPU/MB improvements from the last 5-10 years, other than gaming - and even for gaming, it's mostly down to GPU. So if all you need is web browsing and word processing, a 2nd hand iMac 27 inch with SSD and i5/i7 from 10 years ago is your absolute best bang for buck.
But for current gen gaming, in my opinion, the best bang is to spend the least possible on the CPU/MB/RAM setup - anything from the last 5 years would do, then all the rest on as good a GPU as you can afford. That's how to build a gaming PC these days.
That's just my approach, of course.
play at 4k or even some 2k.. and cpu isnt all the rage some make it out to be. because at 4k it becomes more gpu intensive….. my 5700 non x3d is near or on par with 7800x3d and 9800x3d in several titles at 4k.. sure id get wrecked at 1080p.. but i play at 4k.
Can I mix and match this one with crucial RAM below.
Crucial Ballistix Gaming Memory, 2x8GB (16GB Kit) DDR4 3600MT/s CL16 Unbuffered DIMM 288pin Black, (PC4-19200), DDR4, BL2K8G36C16U4B
Yes but check ram slots. Might down speed. It's not "manufacturer recommended" but mixing and matching ram across brands does "mostly" work. You will almost definitely get 16+16=32gb at 2400,mhz, but anything above that is a bit of a question mark. Id say 90% chance you can get it to 3200
Just what I needed today - awesome price and specs for my older system
Looks like they are not going to ship it.
when did you order? I received mine a couple days ago,
Ordered on 13 Nov, still no shipping.
if you still have it as a pending order then just keep it in place, memory prices have gone up significantly, hopefully they ship it.
Hopefully we'll see a deal on DDR5 too.