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AGL Battery Rewards Program Energy Plan: $800 Credit after 12 Months + up to $1600 in Gift Cards for Power Export (5-9pm) @ AGL

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Credit offer for NSW, QLD, SA and VIC residential customers only.

"Have a solar battery? Get up to $1,400 worth of rewards

For a limited time, get an exclusive $800 credit when you join the AGL Battery Rewards Plan with a solar battery and stay for 12 months.

Plus, get up to $600 worth of gift cards a year when you export power from your battery between 5pm–9pm with the AGL Battery Rewards Plan.

$600 based on average exports of 560 to 600 kWh between 5pm–9pm, every 3 months. For above average exports, gift card cap can go up to $1,600. Credit offer for NSW, QLD, SA and VIC residential customers."

Interested in people thoughts about this. Currently comparing Amber, Flow, Globird and now this offer from AGL. With a big 42kw battery (from the recent Aussie Solar Battery deal here), seems a few opportunities to get some money back earlier than I had expected.

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  • Would love feedback on this as well…

    • +1

      I have joined a week go. Have ser thr battery to force discharge between 5 and 9pm, max 50% of my 42kw battery. So far its ok

      • Can you please help me with settings.

        Single phase export.
        5kw inverter.

        How many amps for discharge?

        Thanks

        • Always set discharge to 5000w for a 5kw inverter.
          Discharge includes discharge to load not just discharge to grid.

          • @edrift: How many amps ?
            50?

            Melbourne, United Energy. AGL

            Thank you!

            • @Mydc5r: There is no amp setting in "mode scheduler.

              • @U30004: It's called:
                Max ac power for forced discharge fdpwr

            • @Mydc5r: It's watts not amps.

              Fdpwr setting should be 5000 for 5kw or 10000 for 10kw

    • [SA] 800$ only ticks after 1 year (and you can't take them out, only spent inside), for max gift cards you will need to pump into the grid 17+kwh 5-9pm every day, summer or winter (on average per quarter). I can see it happening in summer, maybe half in mid seasons and no pump in winter.

      Otherwise, I signed a week ago running from Amber, that is after 3 months and getting reps rebate.

  • Going to depend on your inverter size and what your distributer limits exports to for starters.

    If it’s 5kw then you can export half your battery during those 4 hours every day.

  • This actually looks pretty good to me with my set up… To maximise the offer need to export over 17.33 kw per quarter (using 90 day quarter as the measure).

    • +4

      I think you mean 17.33 per day

      • +2

        You’re absolutely correct, I meant per day. Also, ~$450 per year in daily fees.

        • +1

          So 4.3kw per hour. Doesn’t leave much over to use yourself with a 5kw inverter which some of these deals have been selling.

          • +1

            @realaccount627465746: Thats why i got a 15kwh inverter

            • @U30004: sorry noob q , do you know the benefits of a 3 phase thing aswell? vs 1 phase?

              • @ATTS: I have a 3 phase. I think your are allowed to send more to grid with 3 phase

                • @U30004: Thanks, is it always more financial beneificial to get 3 phase inverter over 1 phase?

                  I saw this on a thread 2 years ago, saying cost of 3 phase inverter is alot more expensive

                  Sungrow 5kW 1-Ph: $900

                  Sungrow 15kW 3-Ph: $2000

                  Sungrow 30kW 3-Ph: $3200

                  Per kW, 3 phase is cheaper, but if you're only gonna chuck 5kW of panels on a 3 phase inverter then it's gonna be more expensive.

                  • +3

                    @ATTS: the issue is getting 3 phase installed at your property in the first place, the costs for this can vary wildly if it's even available.

                    • @realaccount627465746: Thanks, so sometimes depending on situation 1 phase is good enough compared to 3 phase?

              • @ATTS: A 10kW machine produces or uses the same power on 3 phase or 1 phase systems. 3 phase uses 3 active wires to supply the current. The current in each of the 3 wires is substantially less then the 1 phase system. Otherwise 3 phase is better for load balancing.

            • +3

              @U30004: kW. kWh is energy (power by time), kW is power (instantaneous). Batteries are measured in energy storage, inverters are measured in power delivery.

        • sorry what were the fees? was it the supply charge?

          • +2

            @ATTS: Most homes have a single phase supply of electricity. There is a cost to upgrading to 3 phase electricity which can be $2500-$5000 or more depending on a range of factors including how far your meter box is from the street.

            • @lazywombat: Thanks man

              And then would it cost more when the switchboard needs upgrading also?

              • @ATTS: Possibly - you’d need to get a Level 2 electrician to check out your place and switchboard and get a quote for the 3 phase upgrade

  • +4

    There is also an offer for Sigenergy battery owners

  • Wouldnt it be better to go with amber?

    • Would it? I genuinely don't know.

      • +1

        This is a totally different risk profile. Amber exposes you to wholesale electricity. You can earn more and lose more. This is good for those who want to set and forget it. Low risk to participate

    • +1

      Someone experienced discouraged me from Amber. They curtail exports during peak generation hours due to negative rates. That's where you lose massive amount of generation. Other providers pay a straight rate during those times.

      • I disagree, unless your battery is smaller than 32kwh.
        I have used Amber and average 120-160/mth credit. Yes feed in during the day is negative, but night time feed in is most nights 18c-32c/kwh, and at times even higher (e.g. $21/kwh)

        • +1

          If you're using amber right now, how many events have occurred where you have regularly been able to capture $21 per kW in the last month? The person I spoke to recently got off amber and said such events are now very few and far in between. AGL is currently offering a straight 25c/kW for 4 hours everyday.

        • Could only see 8-11c overnight last night in SEqld. Are you using their smart shift or something like home automation?

          • @Acopic: I use smart shift but I also manually discharge at night. I'm going to set up HA automations but haven't had time (getting it wrong DIY can be costly!)

        • +1

          Ditto on this - I have a 50kwh battery and avg credit of ~$180/m, when spike it surges to ~$300.

        • If you actually with Amber, mentioning any prices without your location is a bad tone and the way you did it's borderline affiliate…

          • @Den: NSW on Endeavour network.
            But honestly it's just the wholesale markets around Australia are not very consistent, which is where Amber and Globird Wholesave type options are great if you have a big battery.

  • If you have single phase power, in NSW, you are limited to 5kW feed in. If your inverter is say 10kW then to achieve maximum feed in your personal consumption during peak time must be below 5kW. This could be an issue if you have AC and an electric kitchen as personal consumption will be greater than 5kW for a period therefore limiting export. Realistically in such a scenario the maximum likely export over peak period is about 15kWh.

    • could be 10kw in NSW now for some people or soon for others if your distributor is endeavour

      https://www.endeavourenergy.com.au/modern-grid/flexible-expo…

    • sorry could you explain does having a single phase power it means that the FIT i get is limited to 5kw per hour?

      • +1

        In NSW most providers limit exports to 5kW for single phase households. This is the rate of export. So the maximum you can export is 5kW every hour. There is no limit on how much total you export. So during the 4 hours of the AGL offer on single phase you can export a maximum of 20kWh. However, as I note above this is unrealistic so the likely maximum is 15kWh.

        • This can also be changed by the home owner and they do not kick up a stink..5 years strong..

    • also is this correct

      The good news is, even in a worst-case situation, the amount will be fairly minor. If we consider a home in Sydney where no electricity is used during the day, and all the solar panels face directly north, then the percentage of output that will be lost due to a 5 kilowatt export limit would be:

      5 kilowatt inverter + 6.6 kilowatts of solar panels (no export limiting): 0%
      6 kilowatt inverter + 8 kilowatts of solar panels: 4% loss
      7 kilowatt inverter + 9 kilowatts of solar panels: 8% loss
      8 kilowatt inverter + 10 kilowatts of solar panels: 13% loss

    • thanks haha so complex, so the phase affects both export and consumption?

      say for example if you have 8kw system and only have one phase and your solar is generating 8kwh per hour, that means your losing 3kwh per hour with a single phase is that correct?

      • not if you're using the rest by storing it in a battery or consuming it

        • Oh thanks

          So i saw this online said is that true? Or is the loss much greater?

          6 kilowatt inverter + 8 kilowatts of solar panels: 4% loss

      • No. Phase has no direct influence. With respect to export it's the wholesaler that limits the rate at which you can export. In NSW, for single phase systems it's 5kW. It's much higher for three phase.

        Your inverter is limited to how much it can handle as well. Let's say you have a 8kW inverter and you are using 6kW personally (AC + Ovan for example) the maximum you will export is 2kW.

        Unfortunately, it's a little more complicated with hybrid inverters and a battery system but the above is a reasonable outline for the period 5-9pm.

        • thanks, is wholesaler like the electricity retailer i.e. origin?

          • @ATTS: No. Like Endeavour energy

            • @newxr: Oh thanks, is that also called a distributor?

        • +1

          not sure where you are making this 5kw limit for single from. im ausgrid sydney at have happily exported at 8kwh on this agl plan ie 32kwh in 4 hours.

          • @suti1: Alas Ausgrid is the exception. Ausgrid covers east Sydney and up to Newcastle.😃

            • +2

              @newxr: your comment at the start of this tree said "If you have single phase power, in NSW, you are limited to 5kW feed in." highly misleading.

        • South Sydney here - 10kW export limit.

    • +1

      Nah, if you're with Ausgrid you can have 10kw on single phase for a while already.

    • What happens if someone exports above their allocated 5kWh limit on a single phase?

    • Ausgrid limit is 10kw for 1P in NSW

  • All these people exporting large amounts you guys don’t use aircon in the summer? I’m running it constantly at 7-9kw per hour and have no room to export any energy back the grid

    • +3

      do you leave every door and window open if it's pulling that constantly?

      • +8

        Don't confuse input power to output power for air cons

    • +2

      You must have an extremely inefficient air conditioner if you are using 7-9kw per hour.
      I could cool for an entire day for the whole upstairs (downstairs stays fairly cool) with that much I'd think.

      • We have a pretty big double story home our AC is 3 phase ducting

        • What temp do you set your AC to cool to ?

          Secondly how good is your insulation - above ceiling, and below floor, and in walls, double glazing ? If you're missing any of these things, then fix those problems first - you'll never be able to cool your house efficiently if new heat is continually flooding in.

          • @Nom: 24 degrees. Double brick home it generally stays pretty cool. Today have been running the aircon since 11am till 4pm and it has continuously draw 8.5-10.5kw per hour averaging at about 9.5

            Also it’s almost 40 degrees in western Sydney today

            Mind you our daiken 3 phase split ducting system is about 15 years old now and we never get maintenance done on it?

            • @FrugalSquid: Old or new air cons? It might be a big factor too

            • +1

              @FrugalSquid: Ok well a 40c day is abnormally hot - don't use this as your benchmark. But these are the days when you're really thankful your insulation is up to scratch, as per the list above.

              On a 30c day for example, your AC will be doing significantly less work.

              • @Nom: Also our home is all open no doors downstairs upstairs aswell not including bedrooms

      • I have a temperzone osa 235rktgh which came with the house so no choice in model. The house is all open plan with hardly any doors so when we turn it on (like today) it does run at around 7kw/h while it cools the house down to the required temperature. Solar and (now) battery does help to keep the running cost down during the day but hot nights can be a $killer.

        • +1

          Switch to an EV energy plan for cheap overnight electricity

    • Aircon wont run continuously, it will switch to fan once th3me temperature is reached

    • +1

      I reckon ludicrously extravagant squid seems more appropriate… frugal @ 7-9KW per hour is ridiculous.

    • Completely depends on individual circumstances. My household consumption hovers at around 1.5 to 3kWh. The highest I've ever seen it is 6 kWh.

      Considering I have a 10 kWh inverter, I have plenty of capacity to export.

  • I'm interested now, get the upfront bonus and then up to $1600 a year in visa gift cards without having to do much…

    I'm wondering if this would be eligible for the government's proposed 3 hours for free in July next year? Otherwise, I might struggle in winter with it but averaging 17kwhr a day over 3 months would otherwise be ok to get the max credits.

    I might have to give them a call to get some more specifics… Hmm.

    • I believe its a $800 credit + up to $600 in visa gift card depending on your export.
      I am not sure if I should go with this or Amber.
      Would love to hear from people's feedbacks

      • +1

        It's actually up to $400 a quarter gift cards, pretty unobtainable for me. But $600 for the year average.

  • +2

    Biggest problem is you're with AGL lol

  • It'd be interesting to compare this plan with GloBird ZeroHero 3 hours free electricity every day - some level of assurance plus instant gratification vs AGL with no free electricity and delayed gratification (quarterly gift cards). The $1000 credit is indeed appealing if using Sygenergy batteries, winter time definitely will put it to the test.

    • +5

      Globird seems more like hands off set up, you can always set up battery charging during the 3 hours free window and export to grid from the 6-8pm.

      With AGL, a week of rain/cloud cover and you are paying high rates for electricity and/or not able to export to meet the max gift card benefit.

      • +4

        That's what I thought too, AGL is very weather dependent and you must stay with them for 12 months. Who likes being locked in?

        • You'd lose out on churning electricity every 30-75 days even with Globird. Unless of course its still worth it to churn, then go back to Globird during every down period.

      • I have my battery set to charge from any means necessary from 2:45 to 4:45 pm.

        The only time this really applies is when it has been a rainy day, and the batteries aren't full.

        Financially I am still better off charging from the cheap off-peak prices and discharging to get that higher FiT.

    • +1

      I set up my FIL who recently got the Fox ESS 42kWh/10kW set up on Globird. The bill came after 15 days, $18 in credit. Pretty happy with that, netting him about $400 per year on top of eliminating the $150+ monthly bill.

  • +1

    I did market research for this a few months ago and I couldn’t for the life of me figure out why they would be so opaque with the pricing and then give you a gift card as opposed to a good old fashioned FiT that was credited to your account or paid to your bank

    • +2

      i guess the banding with the gift cards saves them money vs paying the fit for every kwh?

      might be some 5d chess marketing genius at work where people love gift cards more than cash

    • +1

      It's creative accounting for one. The plan has quite high supply charge. Therefore even with the standard FIT there is a likelyhood people will be paying some cash every month. The gift card is handled through a different channel so I gather they might put that up under a separate expense head.

      Second I was working out my math and it turns out I will be stuck with them for atleast 2.5 to 3 years because the credit is neither transferrable nor refundable.

    • This method increases their revenue figures.

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