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Changan Deepa
Ah yes… Very familiar with those… /s
It's the Didi with the I▢I logo. They seem a bit nicer than the usual BYD or AION.
It might be rebadged Chinese car but the biggest issues with Chinese cars at the moment is not the cars themselves but rather the brand longevity.
Pretty good chance Mazda will be here in 7 years for you to claim warranty on the thing. Leapmotor, Aion, iCaur, JAC etc.. might not be.
Mazda was amazing when their diesels started failing /s
Dont talk to me about that :(
Didn't' they find a solution to the diesel failures? I thought the later 2021 onwards 2.2 diesels were supposed to be ok if serviced to the 10k/12 month schedule? (rather than the complex 3.3/mild hybrid they have now that still can't tow because 'cooling' apparently!).
Are hyundai/kia diesels more reliable than mazdas?
@seraphim2017: I have had both the Mazda diesel and the Santa fe diesel. Neither gave me any trouble. I would say the 2.2l diesel in the Santa Fe was the best of the two though, and I otherwise love Mazdas.
@entropysbane: awesome, thanks. Plus, 2.5t vs 2t towing, and 15k vs 10k service intervals! Is 15k considered a short journey for a diesel? (don't want DPF issues, only do longer runs every few weeks).
Ours required a $900 decarbonisation of the entire intake and EGR system, but apart from that it's been a fantastic car and not a single other issue in 8 years, so it's not been the worst experience.
@Cliche Guevara: The Lexcen was the least reliable Toyota by far, whilst the Apollo was the most reliable Holden ever.
@Cliche Guevara: that was a proper re-badge that wasnt even an attempt at changing the design or anything, so you cant call this mazda a rebadge
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took me 4 seconds to google 'who makes the mazda 6e'
from chasingcars article
A joint venture with China’s state-owned automaker Changan, the 6e shares many of its key components, including its EPA1 electric-vehicle platform, with the locally available Deepal S07 midsize electric SUV. Both vehicles are assembled by Deepal/Changan in China.
Went to Mazda a month ago to enquire about a new SUV, hoping that there was some possibility that the incoming CX5 might have a hybrid/EV option. Got told about this 6e model by the salesman, who immediately told me that it was a rebadged Deepal and then pulled this face - :/ . He then went on to explain that they were offering great incentives for early pre-orders, but at that point I was out.
Don't know if that was his bias showing through or he'd seen/driven one in person, but as a prospective purchaser, it instantly made me walk away.
For the last few years Mazda has been pushing upmarket. It seems they have given that away a bit here, and thus the long term salespeoples mightn’t like it.
this is litually slower than a model 3 RWD
Litually you say..
Slower in what way exactly..
It's not as quick
/s
EV owners when their car doesn't do 0-100kmh in 0.3s:
Does the GT come with a plastic steering wheel??
This is just a rebadged Changan from China. It only sells for like $20k AUD over there. Honestly, literally any BYD would be better than this
Sorry, and I mean this genuinely, do you have a link to the car this is apparently a rebadge of? I had a quick look at their site out of pure interest, and don't see anything that is 1:1 with this.
deepal l03/L07
they have an utter dogshit naming convention
gimme seals and sealions i guess
mazda redid the interior and nose tail cones
Huh well there you go, it even has the same F1-style rain light.. although I think the body overall is much softer than the L07. Certainly wouldn't call it a 'rebadge' like the Toyota 86/Subaru BRZ..
@PavRibchinski: 86/BRZ is not a rebadge, it was codevelopped. They are twins. Half the parts are Toyota and half are Subaru.
Rebadge would be slapping some styling over the top of an existing car, like the BT50 being a Dmax in a tux.
@PavRibchinski: a car can be any shape, but whats important is the platform and drive-train. People call the Mazda 6e a rebadged Deepal S07 is because it is basically the same vehicle with a different outfit
@Leonard0880: The platform and drivetrain are definitely important, but they're by no means the only thing that matters.
Two vehicles built on the same platform can have vastly different styling, packaging, interior and fitout - no way you can claim that's not also important.
@klaw81: depending on how you see VW Golf and Skoda Octavia, I reckon they are the same car, while you may not
@Leonard0880: They're similar cars, but they're not the same. The difference between a base model Golf and a fully loaded A3 are pretty stark from the driver's seat. But that's only a very surface level comparison of a few vehicles which share not only the same platform, but also most of the same body panels and a good portion of the interior.
How about the difference between an Audi R8 and a Lamborghini Huracan? They share a platform and drivetrain, but there's no way you can tell me they're the same car. The Honda HRV and the Honda Jazz/Fit are on the same platform but are markedly different vehicles. Or perhaps compare the the Cadillac ATS and Chevrolet Camaro?
It's not clear to me exactly how much Mazda have changed from the Deepal design without putting them side by side. But it's clearly not a straight re-badge - it seems to have an entirely different front and rear. Perhaps the centre part of the body, from cabin from A pillar to C pillar, is the same but the interior fitout looks a bit different while having a similar dash. It's more accurate to say the two cars are non-identical twins.
How about the difference between an Audi R8 and a Lamborghini Huracan?
VW is the undisputed king of platform stretching.
With reference to your example: Whilst not badge engineered, they are co-developed by Audi and Lambo so they share the same engine (5.2L V10), same gearbox (DL800 DCT), same chassis, same drivetrain, same electronics. most parts are actually interchangeable, down to wheels and brakes. you can think of the Huracan as a highly modified R8 lol, so not too different but not too similar either.
The smarter buy is actually the R8 which is actually more exotic than the Huracans in Australia. For every 5 Huracans I see, I see about 1 R8 lol
The Honda HRV and the Honda Jazz/Fit are on the same platform but are markedly different vehicles.
platforms are modular these days to cut on cost, but these are different vehicles with very different dimensions, wheelbase etc. it's not just due to body work difference.
how can you be so sure its just a rebrand?
Same platform but manufactured to Mazdas specification.
Agreed. I like my seal, it's in the same price range as this. Better quality interior, being all leather, heated and cooled front seats, design is subjective, but much of a muchness, both look adequate.
It's a good bit slower too…
Still, it's more competition, so a good thing over all imo.
"Agreed. I like my seal, it's in the same price range as this. Better quality interior, being all leather, heated and cooled front seats, design is subjective, but much of a muchness, both look adequate."
I have not seen the 6e, but I doubt the Seal would be of better quality interior (I own a Seal Performance and an Atto3). The Seal looks good on paper, but some corners been cut, at least cosmetically.
The 6e has the benefit of being a hatchback/wagon/shooting brake (whatever its called these days) and a very big Mazda dealer network. The caveat however, would Mazda have the qualified technicians to work on EVs in every dealership - there are only a limited number of them in NSW (suspect it is the same in other states).
I would have more faith in Mazda than the donor vehicle branch - Deepal, to be around in the foreseeable future.
I haven't been in the Mazda, obviously, but I couldn't see if it had heated and cooled seats (Neither I believe); Mazda seats are leatherette as opposed to the Premium / Performance Seal having full leather, and the design is all I said as being subjective.
Where are the corners being cut in your interiors for the Seal? Mine has been flawless in the 18 months I've had it, with 2 kids under 5 in it regularly.
I'm not trying to disagree with you, but how does it being a hatchback be of benefit? Less interior space? The larger Mazda network for sure will be of better support I'd say; but I've not needed BYD support in anything, as yet.
@teereb: The seal
1. Very cheap hard plastic on various housings (eg. One behind the mirror)
2. The seats are one of the most plastic ones I have been on (be it leather or anything else - from memory the seats are not leather).
3. Foam used seats are not the pricier high density foam.
4. The bonnet is very flimsy and thin.
5. Finishing is so so that the bonnet stoppers were propery adjusted out of factory and prevents the bonnet from properly closing. I had to hand adjust them all.
6. Double glazed accoustic window - byd didn't bother to finish the end of where the film and two glass sandwiching it can be seen and felt by running a finger on it.
The car is build to price. Cant complain on the spec for $65k, don't think the market has a better value vehicle. There are definitely flaws and if a Japanese can producr a similar spec for $20k more, I would pay the additinal asking for a better finished product.
And… A wagon anyday of the week…
@SetTheFaqUp: A couple haters with the dislikes, on yas, where's your opinion, I'm just stating mine.
Honestly though, I've been in $200k cars with cheap fittings as well. Not saying they shouldn't be better, they should, and like you said, for the money you pay it is great value.
I personally really like the seats, driving a few hours uninterrupted in them hasn't been an issue for me either tbh.
Plastic behind the mirror yeah that's cheap, but I don't look / touch it practically ever. The thin bonnet though, yeah that annoys me, every time I wash the car I feel it move. For the sake of maybe a few kgs / $$, stiffen it. I haven't had any issues with the bonnet stoppers on mine (premium, not the performance, I regret not taking that as well shrug)
I hadn't noticed the film on the double glazing either on mine, will check later.
Either way, lease on it is up in a couple years, and yeah I would jump on a wagon EV for sure. The Denza Z9 GT I'll go take a look at, see what else is out then.
Agree. have seal premium and the seats are sortve rubbish. No real support whatsoever. Like sitting in a hammock compared to really any other car I've owned. Our P2 has far more support (and is much better made).
I'm also not sure when ppl became obsessed with heated and cooled seats. Like it's the only sign of any quality in a vehicle. I'd much rather a good seat than one with all the electrics in it that isn't comfortable.
@drprox: i've not used it once even in peak winter/summer. massaging seat on the other hand I can get onboard
really? that's just sad.
charge the same price as their domestic market, otherwise no thx
this is a liftback
is the seal a liftback?
Buying power is relative, tho.
Converting the local cost of EVs in China into AUD is an all too common, but pointless exercise.
For one the maturity and competition for EVs in both markets are completely different, and don't forget about the not insignificant cost of 1000's km of shipping to reach our shores…
how much is the shipping cost?
what's the item "delivery charge" when you buy a new car?
consumers need to bend together, class action in states is a good example…
@alexGoodwin: My understanding is the delivery charge is usually for the cost of inspection and transport to the dealership after arriving in Australia, but I haven't bought enough new cars to be sure!
@danzha: It's a BS charge to allow the dealers to have some flexibility - they don't charge it for fleet. It's some overhead for taking the plastic off the seats and washing it, in some makes/models they have to add or replace fluids.
@Big L: They do* charge it for fleet, but usually a lower cost.
consumers need to bend together, class action in states is a good example…
in a relatively-free market economies like ours, retailers and vendors are free to set whatever price they want.
It's only illegal when do they do things like false advertisement, bait and switch, misleading conduct like hiding fees etc
I agree, it's a pathetic viewpoint. If you want CCP controlled prices then you also needs CCP controlled wages, working and social conditions. We are a wealthy first World country and the expenses and incomes reflect this. Although rising rapidly, China is still an emerging second World country - as are their expenses and incomes. They also have an evil and oppressive government, while we, still just about, don't.
CCP controlled wages, working and social conditions
you talk as if that's uniquely authoritarian but you're also describing the macroeconomic objectives of every single government lol.
And features, safety regs are all different
Take a look at the cheapest one in the domestic market. I'll guarantee it doesn't have half the safety gear in it, less features etc..
People used to roll this arguement out 25 years ago on BMW 3 series and Merc C classes. The BMW 316i had cloth seats and hubcaps and 4 less airbags in Germany, of course it was going to be cheaper!
"guarantee it doesn't have half the safety gear in it, less features etc.."
They have more, including a LiDAR for self driving.
As the other commenter said, you're wrong. The Chinese versions of the same cars sold here have much more features in China. Think dashcam, Sentry mode, Bluetooth key, more parking sensors, self driving, cloud apps, app sideloading. Export markets get scraps for 2.5x the price.
@beesider: people in the west have the opinion the chinese population are mooks who will accept any unsafe rubbish but really the avg. chinese person who can afford this in china demands a product to a higher standard than you have here… further they test new innovations there first
if they have an extreme amount of competition then this is what happens
the chinese consumer of these cars is vastly more sophisticated than western customers
what mazda have done is decontent the car and simplify it for a western market
also ask yourself what you are paying for here… do you tthiink mazdas' personnel and cost structures are free?
@tonyjzx: If they're more sophisticated and demanding, how come they're making/buying cars with non-supportive flat seats and no lumbar support? No Euro or Jap car has seats as bad as the budget Chinese cars. Also, the Chinese cars (BYD, Geely confirmed) lack IR protection layer in their windshields, which makes the Australian sun literally burn your skin, unlike other cars.
@beesider: It's about different market preferences. Chinese customers (and increasingly Australian customers) are drawn to spec sheets, tech and bling.
European customers are drawn to a car being a good car. Seems incredibly obvious when you put it like that but sadly people aren't really interested the essentials like supportive seats anymore. They care more that they're heated and cooled than if they're ergonomic.
It only sells for like $20k AUD over there
Are you going to compare the cost of lunch next? This doesn't mean anything unless you compare cost of living, salaries, living conditions etc.
20k AUD
Lunch is going to prepare in Australia but that car is build in another country. So we can not compare the price of the item one which is build overseas and one is build in Australia.
Did you add all the import costs and taxes into the final figure?
yes and the yaris gr is 20k usd in USA doesnt mean your getting it for the same price here, thats not how it works sunny jim
https://carnewschina.com/2024/10/26/mazda-launches-ez-6-with…).
Not a rebadged Changan - "The 6e/EZ-6 was codeveloped by teams at Changan-Mazda's Nanjing R&D center, Mazda's HQ in Hiroshima Japan, and Mazda Europe to meet each region's product preferences". It's a JV, probably to get Changan's electric capabilities.
I'm glad you linked this but it's lost in the noise.
Would appear that the 2 model Changan co-development has delivered more than Toyota's decade of part ownership.
Thank you for the hard evidence :)
I don't think it's completely fair to compare this to the deepal equivalent. Audi/VW/Skoda have very different pricing while sharing platforms. You can call it a stupid practice but that's how the car industry works. Mazda at the very minimum did the interior/exterior design so some money needs to be paid to cover that.
From a quick search, the bev version of the exact same car (called EZ-6) starts from 160k CNY (32k AUD) in China. So the 49k AUD price tag here isn't that much of a rip-off IMO
zeekr is my fav chinese brand atm, until xiaomi comes to aus
Prices in China can be a bit misleading, for example the BYD Atto 1 starts at $12-13k AUD, whereas it's starting at double that price here in Australia.
I think it could be because the roadworthy standards and minimum safety requirements are different in Australia than they are in China so we could be getting better equipped variants/ higher spec models only.
freight, taxes and dealer cut, its going to be double the price for us .. mainly because of the taxes
BYDs are not that great for road trips, as they rapid gate too much quite a bit while charging. Watch Bjorn Nyland's 1000km challenge on YouTube. They're ok for a single fast charge session, but after that they charge slow.
It is EZ-6 in China, the base model is 159800 CNY = 32794 AUD = 23130 USD. Do you mean $20k USD?
You think you buying Japanese. Still Chinese
The Mazda 3 is full of Chinese parts. The only Japanese parts on a Mazda these days is the motor, transmission and the badge
The badges are straight from China too
Probably right 😅
that's just global supply chain, as with every single car out there: VW, Audi, Toyota, lexus, BMW, Mercedes, Nissan etc.
In the ev market I think the implications are quite opposite.
This seems cheap.
Sure it's "made in china". Omg no whey, so is literally everything else.
For a an all electric car with the Mazda badge seems like it's cheaper than I was expecting
Stay safe and keep away from EVs made in Japan
That's the other point. Japan is way behind in Ev, battery and vehicle software usability. I'd prefer my EVs coming from china over Japan
china are ahead of korea too
it amazes my korea havent worked out how to make a charge computer last more than a few months
By choice though, they understand the full EV market is not viable, so its hybrids leading the way for now. Why else is Europe reducing their full EV target completion dates, its not achievable
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its about $54.5k out the door for the GT
also this is a Changan Deepal in a kimono
BUT it is very competitve in this class