Second Hand Hatchback for Daughter under $10k

Daughter is learning to drive and we are also after a second runabout car for the family.

Must be a small hatch. Basic requirements are a manual, under 100,000km (ideally less) and a reverse cam would be a bonus, for under $10k. Less than 10 years old seems to be required if you want a reverse cam too.

We did get a very low km 2014 Fiat 500 initially but I found endless build quality issues - breaking window regulators (plastic snapping), dashboard airbag swelling in the sun, front light mouldings falling off as the glue perished. So we got rid of that before the next problem arose

Kia Picanto was top of the picks but it is hard to find one under $10k - actually don't know that it can be found for that price range.

Barina looks like an option but not sure about build quality and reliability ('Craptiva' comes to mind)

VW Polo looks good but I'd be wary of costly repairs in this car if something goes wrong.

Any additional options would be great. I've filtered Carsales options and sorted by price and doesn't seem like much else is available.

Poll Options

  • 47
    Kia Picanto
  • 2
    Holden Barina
  • 9
    VW Polo
  • 73
    Other

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  • +38

    Corolla, Honda Jazz.

    • +7

      Honda Jazz has my enthusiastic support. The thing is a tank. Just keeps going. The one my partner has is 2009, plenty of interior space even for tall folks (we're both 6'2"+), good boot space, and very efficient.
      Only thing is these older ones don't have reverse cameras - but it's a cheap addition to add an aftermarket camera.

      Corolla is also a great car, but they're now overpriced for their releative features. The toyota tax…

    • $10k

      • +9

        You can easily get a Jazz for 10k.

      • $10k

        I traded my Camry in for $2k.

        <invisible writing>Yes, it was gently worn in with 460,000 klm on it, but</invisible writing>

  • +19

    Dont rule out not having a reverse cam. They are easy enoighbto retro fit for a few hundred $.

    150,000km is perfectly fine too.

    Japanese or korean. Popular model, one that you see lots of around.

  • +19

    Suzuki swift , hopefully with a manual gearbox👍

    • This is exactly what I was thinking! Might be hard to find one with a reverse camera though…

      • +3

        Aftermarket camera. Done.

        • +11

          Exactly, taking cars of the list because it doesn't have a reverse cam that can be solved for $100 aftermarket is crazy.

      • -1

        Aftermarket front and back caneras are cheap to buy and install so dont let that one hold you back

  • +14

    Focussing on KMs over quality is a bit silly.

    • +2

      KM = wear and tear, what defines quality in your book?

      • +34

        You think a car is worn out at 100k km? You bought a fiat 500 for God's sake, you could have purchased a 400,000km corolla and it would have been far more reliable.

        Yaris, jazz, corolla, swift.

        • +6

          100k of highway is nothing. 100k of uber/doordash thats another story. I'd rather a car thats done 200k which has been well maintained and serviced to something thats done 100k with the bare minimum.

          • @perhaps: Interesting. May look at some of the regional cars on offer, seem to be cheaper and assume most of their Km would be highway/regional

        • +3

          You bought a fiat 500 for God's sake, you could have purchased a 400,000km corolla and it would have been far more reliable.

          Well that was the purpose of the post. Having bought what I thought would be a good car, and realised the build quality was poor (through experience but also a fiat 500 facebook group littered with issues), I am now looking for advice on better options (rather than scorn)

          • +5

            @Hoju:

            looking for advice on better options

            Servicing record, type of use. I’d take a car with 300k that’s been meticulously serviced and maintained, and from an owner who can talk you through the car and what they’ve done to it, issues they’ve had, accident history, receipts for everything (good and bad). I’d buy this over one with 100k and sold by someone who couldn’t tell you anything about it.

            Don’t be scared of a car that’s been used by someone who treasures it. Be scared of the car that’s not used and by someone who couldn’t care less about it.

            Cars are made to be driven. They do not like sitting around.

          • +2

            @Hoju: Research before buying would be a first tip. I just gave you some to look at. Don't worry about the KMs, worry about the condition and servicing history.

      • can be, but can also be misleading esp with country kilometers. Any day Id buy a car with 100K kilometers that is one owner if they live regional.

        • Thinking this and searching now specifically in regional areas I go for work.
          Less buyers and higher but healthier KM might mean a better deal

          • @Hoju: If buying country miles, you want one owner ideally or multiple if there are service books and they are all regional and the service books are complete. Also look at general wear and tear on the cabin etc can sometimes tell you a lot.

          • @Hoju: If buying country miles, watch for chassis or front end damage. Those roos don't always get out of the way.

  • +12

    Second Hand Hatchback for Daughter

    Obligatory don’t trade your daughter for a car joke…

    • Don't trade your car for a daughter either

    • Hold out for a cow, two goats and a pig as well.

  • +12

    Ideally have her learn reversing and parking without a camera first. This will build up real skills without the need for tech.

  • +10

    A Mazda 2 or Toyota Yaris are both decent options. They tend to retain their resell value so you might need to look for a higher KM, but if you get an inspection and can receive information on the service history, the KM might not be a huge deal.

    • Agreed, we're about to get rid our Mazda 2 from 2012. Had it since new, always serviced at Mazda and has been deadly reliable at 170,000kms.

      I would happily drive it for another 100,000 but happy wife happy life.

  • +8

    Are Hyundai Getz in the running? (I think it was superseded by the i30)

    Absolutely brilliant, deceptively huge inside. Carry four decent sized passengers no worries (kids were over 6ft), easy on fuel, could park them in the tiniest places, cheap to service and maintain.

    Ours was a 1.3 auto. Don't get that though, (get the 1.6) had no guts. Fine on flat roads etc and quick enough off the mark, but we lived at the top of a hill… it worked hard getting up that fully loaded. Joke was everybody had to lean forward.

    • +2

      Love the Getz but it’s getting to be 15 years since it was released or more

      Having said that I initially was looking at proper old cars like the Mazda 121 bubble, back when you could feel what you drove. I don’t think it’s a bad idea for kids to learn on something that needs a bit more input and control from them but the safety rating.Is a bit of a concern

      • +1

        I had a Mazda 121 and currently got a Honda Jazz. Both manual. I would def check out the Jazz. I wouldn't go after a 121 for your daughter. It was a fun car but it had like zero safety features.

      • I had a Mazda 121 about 1999. I can still recall being mocked because the metallic maroon colour that I bought was described on the paper work as "Passion Rose".

        My father had a Landcruiser in the same colour at the time. If they were parked near each other, it looked like the landcruiser had a baby :/

      • Have a friend who had a 121. They're easy to roll over.

    • +1

      I have a 2011 Getz 1.4Ltr. Manual. Brilliant little vehicle.

  • +5

    mazda 3

    • Interesting why this is being downvoted?

      My Mrs had a Mazda 3 back when we/she was 17-21~ and it was a great little car.

      We are 35 now to be fair though lol.

      • +1

        Not by me, but a bit big for what we were after
        Mazda 2 maybe.

  • +4

    Go and watch some of the Redriven videos on YT. They have done quite a few videos on economical and reliable 2nd hand car reviews

    • -1

      Thanks this is good info
      My problem has been when looking at reviews. They are all for the new cars as they come out and say none of the build quality issues are identified.
      Secondhand reviews much harder to come by but I will have a look at this for sure.

      • +5

        ReDrivsn focus on used cars. They also apprently have a website with data on the cars theyve reviewed. They also mention common issues, from a mechanic, for each model and how to look for them.

  • +3

    Ford Fiesta. Should be able to get a 2016 manual for your budget on the private market. Nimble. Easy to park. Pretty quick in manual. We have one in the family with 315000 kms on original motor/gearbox and clutch as a runabout daily shit kicker. You fold the back seat down and you could move houses with it. Parts are super cheap and DIY service is simple as.

  • +3

    Absolutely couldn't go past a Hyundai. Either A Getz or an Accent. I have had both and they are brilliant cars. Have been driving Hyundais for 30 years and yet to have any problems.

  • +3

    the answer is always Honda Jazz

    • Funny, that was a preference for our first family car. An Auto. Had read about the CVT issues and then the first car we test drove had blatant shudder issues on accelerating so we mentally shelved the idea of one of those ever again… manual a different story.

      • Yeah, I definitely wouldn't touch the first gen CVT. The second gen returned to a traditional automatic rather than CVT and I haven't heard of any issues with that. Mine is a manual though so I can't speak from experience

    • Yes! Always

  • +3

    My vote is Honda Jazz.

  • +2

    I've just sealed the deal for the under 10K hatchback replacement for my Renault Clio Sport 172.

    My new car is a Volvo V40 R-Design T5 Cross Country Automatic. Yep, that's the one with leather heated power everything, and a turbocharged 2.5 litre 5 cylinder and AWD. It looked like a crazy choice until I got it independently inspected, and the inspector said if I didn't buy it, he would buy it himself to use as a client loan car. The price was what it was because the dealer had to keep dropping it because everyone looked past it at the sensible safe choices of Toyotas and Mazdas and Holdens.

    My point isn't that it would be the best choice for the OP. It is that if you want to buy what everyone else thinks is the best choice, you are competing with everyone else on price, and you miss the ones that really are bargains because they are so left-field a choice that no-one would recommend them or look twice at them. Don't start with a brand and model that you're sure will be a "good" decision to buy, and reject everything else without even looking at them. If you do that you're going to miss the good deals.

    • +1

      Put an exhaust on it and let that Ford XR5 turbo motor sing.

      • Is the turbo Volvo five cylinder a Ford motor, or did Ford use the Volvo motor for the XR5? In the same vein is it Ford's 2.0/2.3/2.5 Duratec in various Mazdas, or are you getting a Mazda MZR motor in a Ford? That's what happens when Ford and other manufacturers buy into then sell out of other car manufacturers. You get the good motors because the other brand doesn't adopt it too unless its got a good reputation, they develop their own.

        I just suspect that its less likely to have been thrashed to near death in a Volvo V40 by the sort of owner that'd buy one of those than in a Ford XR5 by the sort of owner who'd buy one of them.

        And the other turbo 5 cylinder AWD hatchback I'd really like, an Audi RS3, in never going to be in a price range I can afford, unless I win the lottery.

        • It's a Volvo designed and produced engine that Ford used. However, Ford owned Volvo at the time the engine was used in Volvo cars.

    • Can get a Renault Clio or vw polo for some great prices.

      People looking elsewhere for good reason?

      • +3

        Service and parts pricing.

        • +2

          Euro's ARE more expensive to get services and parts for.

          If I was a high mileage driver the Volvo would be a bad choice because the cost of maintaining it would soon overwhelm the savings from getting it cheap. But because I don't drive a lot I'm gambling that I can come out ahead. Something might go seriously wrong, and I might lose the bet, but I'll be driving a lot nicer car than, say, a Barina, in the meantime.

        • Same for Volvo though? My comment was in reference to buying cars that others avoid

          • @Hoju: Euros often have more expensive parts and servicing. That is the main reason most people recommend buying japanese or korean, along with a perception of better quality.

            There has been a run of euro models in the used market that have used plastic parts that are failing that end uo making the car uneconomical to repair.

            But, if youre happy to source your own parts from OS amd DIY or have a good mechanic that is happy to work on euros, then you can get bargains. The key is, that you need to be prepared for not so great ohtcones otherwise youll be back here ranting abojt euro rubbish.

    • I was just going to say, if you're in Melbourne, I know of a fantastic Volvo specialist that is cheaper than a regular mechanic.

    • how many kms on it? I have heard that you basically need to factor an engine rebuild into your purchase price if it's near 200km with the T5 engine

  • +2

    what about a suzuki swift?

  • +2

    The VW and Holden are non-starters as they'll be horribly unreliable 2nd hand. So if you have to pick one of these, the Kia.

    Hyundai i20, Mazda 2, Hyundai Accent, Peugeot 208, Kia Rio, Citroen DS3, There's a Volkswagen up! in QLD, I don't know if they're reliable but I think it has the camera so, would look heavily into reliability, since it's a VW. Suzuki Swift.

    I mean you have what's that, nearly a dozen options that aren't the ones you've chosen, I would start doing like, what does it cost to replace certain things, what are the major services like, what goes wrong with them, then after all of that, maybe fuel economy and bonus features.

    Then finally, does it have a camera, that's how long on the rankings a stock camera is. I have a stock camera on my car, it sucks and I never got a better one, but would like to, I wish I didn't pay for it from the factory and paid more to get a HD or these days 4K camera etc.

    • Thank you

  • +2

    Consider getting a Nissan Leaf, for 10k you should be able to pick up a decent 30kwh variant, Jap import. Should still be able to do 150km on a charge, is well optioned for its age, and nothing to spend on petrol and most servicing, should save you around 4k a year at least, more in the current climate. You could spend a bit more and get a 40kwh and that should let you do at least 200km.

    • This is the way, but with the current crisis I don't know how many are still available on carsales at that price point.

  • +1

    I wouldn't recommend anything KIA or Hyundai. Family members engine broke due to manufacturing defect, for which they have already lost a class action lawsuit in the US and are currently fighting one here in Australia, and KIA didn't want to hear about it, dealer constantly fobbed off my family member and lied to them, they ended up having to pay for their own engine replacement.

    • +4

      Interesting. We have Kia as our family car and it has been amazing

      • +3

        I'm just telling you my experience with the brand. The fact that there's class actions in 2 different countries means it's not an isolated incident.

        • +8

          Is there any manufacturer that doesn't have a class action against them?

    • +4

      This is common to most manufacturers unfortunately.

      Ozb's favourite Toyota has had a few class action lawsuits against it including new active ones and has lost numerous lawsuits. Doesn't stop people from recommending them.

      • No the Hyundai/Kia 2.0L is just a piece of trash. Old and flawed. A decent more modern engine is the 1.6turbo but that isn't a simple engine.

    • +3

      My parents Hyundai Kona had an engine failure and the whole engine needed to be replaced. This was about a year after buying brand new from Hyundai.

      • +1

        I think the one my family member owned was 7 - 10 years old (owned from brand new) at the time of the engine failure, they had reported concerning noises to the dealer before the engine broke (might have blown up, can't quite remember) and the dealer told them to keep driving and monitor it.

        All they wanted was a decent and reliable car to get them from A to B, in hindsight Japanese would have been the superior option.

    • +2

      The engines affected by their lawsuit in the USA have the same design defect in here. The ones built over there are worse though.

    • +1

      This could be just a bad experience, I got few folks in my close circle that use kia / Hyundai that has not experienced any such dramas with their vehicles and has lot more reliable even after 8+ years of ownership. If most of their cars experienced such issues, they won't be selling them like that.

      • Agree.

        The unhappiness voices are the loudest. For all those who have bad experiences there's orders of magnitude more who just… Don't have any issues, but most of the time people who are happy/content are far less likely to leave comments, reviews or feedback. If it does the thing, most people just want it to continue doing the thing and move on with their lives after their purchase..

    • +1

      Your spot on, the engineering is the big let down on KIA or Hyundai's looks great don't get me wrong but the silly failures that come after years of ownership is nuts! I have also seen them wear faster vs some mentioned earlier Corolla, Honda Jazz. Or even Honda Civic, Toyota Yarris.

    • That must be pretty rare… our extended family have put probably 1 million kms on a handful of Hyundai and Kia vehicles. Very reliable, economical (diesel engines) and great value!

  • +1

    I sold my Honda civic 2017 for 15k

    150000km on it.

    I bought it with 3000km for 18k

    • +2

      How many times per day do you mention that when nobody asked?

  • +1
  • +1

    Mazda 2

  • +1

    My thoughts - Would be looking at a Mazda 2/3, Toyota Corolla/Yaris or Suzuki Swift. Budget $500-1000 to get aftermarket reversing camera and front/rear parking sensors if that's a must have feature.

    100,000km is too low for that budget. For the age of cars that's coming up, that's <7,500 a year which is pretty rare.

    Below search on Car Sales (Make: Mazda , Toyota, Suzuki, Price: $7500-10,000, Manual, Hatch, <100k KMs) only nets 15 cars across all of Australia.

    If you increase it to 150k KMs - there are 83 cars that come up.

    • Seems to be a universal thought re the KM. Interesting as our 2016 family and only car with 2 x long road trips annually only has 80,000km so I didn't think 100k was much to ask.

      Definitely happy to scrap the reverse camera criteria and open up some options too

      No Kia on your list? the picanto has insane resale value, they're so expensive at the moment used…

      • Non-turbo Picanto is terrible and still above your budget.

        GT Picanto would be fine but way above your budget and I'd personally take a Mazda/Toyota over those.

        • Thank you but terrible in what way?
          I’m quite happy for it to have no guts and just be something that putts along safely and reliably.

          I’m not even sure you could insure a P plate driver once she gets to that stage in a GT model, not affordably anyway

          • @Hoju: Very poor scores for reliability post 10+ years. Roughly triple the failure rate vs Mazda/Toyota.
            Terrible performance due to the small engine. Very sluggish and slow (even by small car standards).
            Because of said small engine, they are most likely to have been driven hard, higher revs, full throttle putting more wear and tear on the engine/drivetrain.
            Interior feels smaller compared to other similar vehicles.

            Can only speak from brief 2nd hand experience on Picanto but I definitely rate the Mazda 2s for very small get around car. - Wife previously had a mazda 2, brothers ex gf had a Picanto.

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