[VIC] Free: All Public Transport (Trams, Trains, Buses, V/Line) from Tues 31st March to Thurs 30th April @ Transport Victoria

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Not yet posted on the Transport Victoria website, so I'm borrowing the description from the ABC News website.

Public transport will be free in Victoria across metropolitan and V/Line services in the month of April. The Victorian government said it was a temporary measure to help with the cost of living as petrol prices climb. All public transport across metropolitan and V/Line services will be free in Victoria from this Tuesday (March 31) until the end of April.

Public transport users will not need to touch on with their Myki card and all gates will be open during the month. Myki passes, such as yearly passes. will be automatically paused and resume after April.

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  • +3

    Tasmania has done the same

    • +36

      Is it Dan's fault?

    • -2

      How about NSW???

      • +42

        They would have if you had used four question marks. Three isn’t enough.

      • -1

        becoz we are da most sensible state in Oz ;-)

      • +6

        We don't deserve it, with us being anti-semites and all, protesting against Chris MinSS and not beating ourselves up instead of forcing the police to do that…

      • +2

        Opal fares and single-trip tickets will increase by an average of 5 per cent. LOL

      • +1

        They don't need it. Gold standard and all that jazz

      • You get Anzac day public holiday moved to Monday so we'll call it even

  • +70

    Managers rejoice as they now have a fallback as to why to decline WFH requests.

    • +119

      Those same managers shouldn’t complain when workers are running late everyday because public transport is completely unreliable.

      WFH is the future. The dinosaurs just need to die out first.

        • +47

          They fudge these numbers to avoid fines for sure

          • +15

            @Mike Huntissaur: Yeah—I’m not sure if this still happens today, but back when I used PT in the 2000s, if a train was running late, it would sometimes skip several stations before reaching South Yarra.

            So if you needed to get on or off before South Yarra then good luck everybody else.

          • +1

            @Mike Huntissaur: Absolutely, too many "running late" this month so make sure to cancel the next one instead of running late.

        • This is spoken by someone who hasnt waited for over an hour for a bus that never shows because of breakdowns/accidents.

        • The 5% that run late tend to be the ones running in the peaks, with higher scheduled frequencies and many more inconvenienced passengers (many of which are standing).

          So, for a whole bunch of interpeak and off-peak services, running over many hours at lower frequencies with more fat built into the schedules - yeah, they run on time.

          Sucks to be a commuter in the peak…

          (Oh, and the trains that run as bus replacements for scheduled works seemingly every single evening - they don't count as cancellations).

          • @HeyMiki:

            many of which are standing

            If standing on a train is a big deal to you I suspect you’re not a regular commuter.

            I’ve been a peak commuter for decades and have seen a few things. Still beats driving that’s for sure.

            • @tp0: I used to be a daily commuter, actually. Looks like you missed the train leaving the station with my point on it.

              Many passengers are standing only a few stations in from the outer terminus on many lines. Standing is ok for a limited ride time, but it becomes unreasonable over long periods.

              And it becomes ridiculous when those long periods become much, much longer due to network delays. It's the regular peak commuters that are disproportionately affected by that "only 5%" of delays and cancellations.

        • When trains are running late, they just cancel it instead to avoid missing this measure…I've been forced out of late trains many times because of this.

          • @ialam99: They have a stricter benchmark for cancellation than late running. They do not cancel trains for that reason.

        • +41

          It blows my mind in 2026 we still have wfh haters. I just know it’s either boomers, middle managers trying to justify their useless roles, small business owners, or people who are jealous their job can’t be done from home.

          • +7

            @cheekymonkey97: Commercial property rents and managerial oversite.

          • -2

            @cheekymonkey97: I thought I was onboard with your point, but then you mentioned a LOT of people who could/should hate WFH. Mixed message

            • @TrivagoTeeth: How is it mixed message, I’m saying the only haters are people who fall into the categories I listed whose opinions are worthless in the discussion of wfh.

          • -1

            @cheekymonkey97: Just need to be sensible, as not everyone has the luxury of WFH (health care workers, construction etc)

            • +22

              @Craze: I worked hard in school to be able to do a job that didn't require in person manual labour.

              Your logic is like saying we shouldn't pay some people $200K because not everyone can get paid $200K. Or a roadworker has to work in 35 degrees in the sun so office workers should too.

              Every job has positives and negatives. If you don't like that your job doesn't have a positive that other jobs do, change jobs…don't try to force the shit conditions of your job onto others just because of bitterness.

              • -2

                @PainToad: Say it louder for the people in the back. Don’t come at me because you made a career choice you don’t like.

              • +1

                @PainToad:

                Every job has positives and negatives. If you don't like that your job doesn't have a positive that other jobs do, change jobs…

                Best argument for WFH, I've read. Until this post, I was someone who opposed WFH. Now I'm good to get on board and support it (where appropriate, obviously). I never thought about it like that before and IMO, you're absolutely spot on.

              • @PainToad: I may not have phrased it well, but when I said sensible I meant allow WFH for roles that allow for it, but it can't be applied as a blanket rule because the reality is not everyone can WFH.

            • +1

              @Craze: Those people are the ones who need to be sensible. They should be supporting a better world rather than beating down on wfh just because they’re jealous they can’t do it.

          • @cheekymonkey97: Some people are just control freaks by nature.

          • +3

            @cheekymonkey97: The 'haters' are the wealthy land barons who own the CBD real esetate and want returns on investment by forcing people back into a place that grows less relevant every year as we continue to decentralise.

          • +2

            @cheekymonkey97: Lol, quite a strong response. I'm pro-WFH, but I also don't live in la la land. Anybody advocating for 100% remote work is a turkey voting for Christmas.

          • @cheekymonkey97: Don't worry, the majority of WFL lovers will lose their, because managers will learn that it's cheaper for their positions to be done offshore or for AI to do their jobs. While those who can't WFH will be compensated.

          • -1

            @cheekymonkey97: Forklift drivers may get fired if they try to WFH. Those small business cafe owners probably can't have their waiters and baristas WFH. I'm sure you can think of 100's of other scenarios where it is just not feasible. If you can WFH, then 100% it should be pushed as the normal thing to do.

        • +4

          Typical comment from a Howard supporter, who is responsible for the country's gross inequality and poorer living standards.

            • @JohnHowardsEyebrows: Exactly this. 90% of people i know that have previously spruiked the benefits of wfh has found their position offshored. Be careful what you wish for.

        • +2

          I love WFH but you are right. After Covid my previous employer gained confidence and moved almost everything to offshore.

          • @ozmma: This will happen more and more. I can't believe people think it won't.

        • Managers have realized their role is redundant when they no longer can look over people's shoulders.

      • +5

        how will all them fancy barista charging $6.50 for a coffee survive? surely you cant expect them all to move closer to your home. what will happen to CBD :D

      • -5

        Hopefully governments start by mandating wfh for ambulance and hospital workers. We came afford to have dinosaurs in our health system.

        • +1

          Some doctors do have better conditions these days. For one, they don't need to attend every meeting in person and can do it on Teams etc which can help them be more efficient with their lives and getting to other job locations.

        • +1

          Why would doctors and health care workers care if other people worked from home if they could?

          People against working from home were labelled as dinosaurs, not people that had jobs that couldn't be done from home.

          How can you not comprehend that?

      • -1

        Unfortunately it’s not a case of dinosaurs, it’s a case of insecure and ineffective managers and property owners wanting you in the building. I know a few business owners in their thirties who have mandated the maximum work from office days possible, because they don’t trust their own teams.

      • They can't die sooner enough. Actually annoyed that most didn't die when the same forced people to work in the office during covid

      • +1

        those managers are just waste of company's money, they don't do actual work and just micromanaging everyone.

        remove mid level position and keep the lowest level (the real workers) only.

      • -1

        If you can work from home, your job can be done by someone in the Philippines or India. Employers are already outsourcing jobs to overseas, and it's not just big employers but small business too.

        • +1

          It's just silly to think your job is safe because you have to do it from a specific place. If your job can be outsourced, that means you don't have specific and valuable skills in the first place. Plenty of companies and government got burned outsourcing and then bringing the skills back. The only winner are the upper management who is never held accountable, yet have the biggest salaries.

        • +1

          You think the only reason someone gets a job is because of there vicinity to work space? That's a pretty crazy statement. People have skills and have been educated for certain jobs obviously.

        • +1

          And if that business then goes out of business due to being run by cheapskates, what a shame.

  • +17

    What about WFH, should offer both options, the train is so crowded

    • +25

      It will become more crowded now.

      • -5

        Our trains aren't as crowded as in capital cities around the world yet. There's still a lot of room to pack in more people.

        • +3

          Have you travelled in Craigieburn line during peak hours?

          • @Hoarder77: Yes, people should see asian trains. "Personal space" will be sacrificed to fit in more people. Deal with it

          • +1

            @Hoarder77: I saw some photos from the Gaza area where the people ride sitting on top of the trains if there's not enough room in them.

            And in "the old days" there's all these pictures showing people hanging off the sides of trams and stuff. I guess they stopped that when they got safety conscious.

            Standing on a train might be ok, but maybe not on the buses, though as kids we did or sat on the floor up and down the centre aisle lol.

            But I doubt that the reduced fairs will result in that much more public transport use unless we really do run out of petrol. Qld reduced their fares to 50c ages ago and it hasn't really made much difference IMO. Just helped the hip pocket of those already using it tbh.

            Probably helped with the trams on the Gold Coast though, but that only covers 20klm. In saying that, other public transport on GC is mostly non existent and totally shit where it exists.

            • +3

              @Muppet Detector: Standing on a handful of busy bus routes is typical on peak in melb.
              The more packed it is the easier it is actually - if the bus drive slams on the breaks the kinetic force is distributed among more people - lol.

          • @Hoarder77: Seriously it is only bad for 45 minutes in the morning and about an hour after work. It is so much better than say 10 years ago

          • @Hoarder77: I've travelled on Tokyo trains during peak hours. Our trains are nothing like that. Milan and Rome weren't nice either - even during non-peak hours they're packed as they reduce train frequency to constantly keep trains packed.

    • +30

      WFH is also better for the environment even when compared to public transport.

      But we have to keep beating the dead horse CBD.

      • +13

        WFH & turn CBD residential

        • A German colleague said it was weird how we all swarm to the small point for work. He lived in the CBD, and travelled out to his work. Said it was normal to him/them.
          I could imagine people in the country could also travel to work in a good time. Win/win.
          But maybe overly specific to him. Massive company, that involves manufacturing, needing huge land.

          • @TrivagoTeeth: Did you ask him how much meals cost in the city, how much groceries cost in the city, or does he have breakfast and dinner out in the burbs?

            • @THICKnSLOW: Is grocery more expensive in the city than suburb?
              restaurant prices are quite similar too… at least in Melbourne

            • @THICKnSLOW: Seriously? How hard is it to go to a Coles, Woolworths or ALDI?

          • @TrivagoTeeth:

            that involves manufacturing

            A foreign concept in Australia.

      • -5

        . WFH is also better for the environment

        No it’s not. Transport is only one small component.

        • +1

          Public transport probably better as the trains run anyway no matter how packed they're and people would use more lights, air conditioning and other appliances while working from home.

        • +6

          we've been through this in 2020 lockdowns. emissions reduced significantly. sure it wasn't 0, but definitely enough.

          • +1

            @teatea:

            we've been through this in 2020 lockdowns.

            Electricity went up, Gas went up…

            • @jv: That was not a demand side issue. That was a supply side issue

              • @serpserpserp:

                That was not a demand side issue.

                Are you delusional?

                You don't think 10 people working in 10 different homes don't use more electricity than 10 people working in one office?

                • @jv:

                  Global CO2 emissions declined by 5.8% in 2020, or almost 2 Gt CO2 – the largest ever decline and almost five times greater than the 2009 decline that followed the global financial crisis. CO2 emissions fell further than energy demand in 2020 owing to the pandemic hitting demand for oil and coal harder than other energy sources while renewables increased. Despite the decline in 2020, global energy-related CO2 emissions remained at 31.5 Gt, which contributed to CO2 reaching its highest ever average annual concentration in the atmosphere of 412.5 parts per million in 2020 – around 50% higher than when the industrial revolution began.

                  • +2

                    @BestTechAdvisor: Irrelevant to my point.

                    • -1

                      @jv: incorrect

                      • @BestTechAdvisor: My comment is definitely correct

                        "You don't think 10 people working in 10 different homes don't use more electricity than 10 people working in one office?"

                        • @jv: Your comment assumes a vacuum. There is no vacuum. Homes don't stop using electricity just because everyone drove to an office.

                          We need to look at the whole picture, and data from COVID shows that total emissions were way down when the majority of people were working from home.

                          For future considerations, you also need to account for the embodied emissions in constructing an office for people to commute to.

                          • +1

                            @BestTechAdvisor:

                            Your comment assumes a vacuum. There is no vacuum.

                            That is because at the office, there is a dedicated cleaner to do that… At home, all 10 people would need to vaccum which is not efficient.

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