Failed Business - Lessons I Wish People Told Me

Hello Ozbargain Folks, this might be a bit of a read, feel free to GPT summarise it or whatever, I hope it can help someone from making the same mistakes I did.

During Uni I tried to start a side hustle selling on eBay and my own website (tanvry.com) to help chip away at my Uni debt.
What I didn't realise was unless you're importing shipping containers worth of stock, you simply cannot compete on price.

The DIY Trap: To avoid Shopify's monthly fees, I spent tens of hours in the YouTube trenches learning how to build a WooCommerce/WordPress site from scratch and designed the logo myself in Adobe Illustrator. Thought I was being smart by "saving" money, turns out I was just burning my time for no return at all.

The Fee Stack: eBay fees (13%) + promoted listings (12%) = 25% gone before you've even touched postage. On my own site, zero organic traffic meant burning cash on ads just to get a single click.

The Free Gym: My spare rooms had boxes stacked to the ceiling, and retrieving one specific item meant a half hour gym session shifting ten 20kg boxes just to reach the bottom of the stack. After every import I'd spend hours sorting and re-labelling jumbled stock just to keep the chaos at bay.

Trying to cut down delivery costs:
In early 2024, when I first got my Ps, I'd actually drive around Victoria delivering items myself if the customer was nearby.

I eventually realised I was taking on an insane amount of unnecessary risk. Insurance excludes business use unless you bought it specifically for that, and one traffic fine or demerit point on an unfamiliar road would have cost more than 200 deliveries combined.

Using those "cheap" $49 per 20kg box (70x40x33cm plus GST) imports marketed on Facebook sounded great until I was driving out to Laverton North VIC to self-collect heavy boxes of thermal paper that had zero margin left once I factored in petrol and my own time. The box itself weighs almost 2kg, repackaging adds more on top, and the real per-kg cost creeps up to around $3.80/kg, even more if you choose to have a contractor do the job so it's tax deductible (not helpful if you're running a $6000+ loss).

Once I was even buying bottles of printer ink, refilling cartridges like 20x in those cheap HP printers and offering cheap printing off FB marketplace of 3c per A4 page. Again, an absolute time waste given the amount of times I had to refill and blot the cartridges and deal with leaks everywhere.

The Scams

Counterfeit Australia Post Stamps: Bought cheap AusPost stamps on eBay that turned out to be fake which has actually made the news. Nearly had to get police involved, destroyed the lot, took a substantial loss. . In hindsight I should've clocked the moment eBay charged me GST on them, dead giveaway they were from an overseas seller, not Australia Post.

The DJI Battery Bricking: Some factory was harvesting genuine authentication chips off real DJI batteries and transplanting them into cheaper cells so they'd pass as legitimate. Clever, until DJI pushed a firmware update that bricked the lot overnight. Instant paperweights, and even more money for paying for customers return postage to send them back once they got bricked in late 2024.

The Foshan Factory: Later moved to PC fan business since I was building PCs as a fun hobby thing and thought I could expand on that.
I actually travelled all the way to Foshan China where they make most of the products, and got the full factory tour fans everywhere, everything looked completely legit. Paid via Alipay funded through Wise to keep transfer fees low.
They never shipped. Went to the police; they gave the guy a phone call, he never picked up and they told me it was a civil matter.

During that business trip, I'd still be heading to the Cainiao pickup point every few days to sift through 100+ small parcels, checking each one by hand for broken or substandard items and that was before even dealing with suppliers who'd just ship outright junk or missing items and empty boxes if you didn't stay on top of them.
And here's what people don't realise about Alipay, unlike PayPal, zero buyer protection. No disputes, no chargebacks. Once the money's gone, it's gone. It's like digital cash.

On top of all that, I imported a batch of PC cases where some arrived smashed from transit. Another loss I just had to eat. Another mistake with uncertified hot glue guns and sealers which had to be disposed of due to the fact that you need Australian Certification to sell these, those ones you buy off eBay, they're not legal to sell. This is due to them using mains power of over 230V

I wish I'd discovered this community sooner. Looking back at the deals posted here, I honestly believe I could have sourced items cheaper on OzBargain than by importing them myself and dealing with all the customs paperwork. Lesson well and truly learnt.

I've lost thousands of dollars and hours of my life doing this, specifically the savings I'd built up through high school.
But honestly, this has taught me more about the brutal reality of business than any Commerce unit in my degree ever could. Consider it my very expensive, very physically exhausting real-world MBA.

Hope this helps others from making the same mistake.

At this point I just got to try clear everything at cost or even below cost for bulk orders and hopefully can recover some money back. Alas, at least I know I've tried.

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  • +43

    It's not a loss.

    Trust me it is a priceless life experience. Most people jeer on the side about hindsight bias because it's instinctive to want others to fail.

    Use it to pivot on another business angle with what you learnt. I've never net a single successful person who didn't burn through a few train wrecks before they got it right.

    • +8

      Yep, will definitely move onto something else that hopefully benefits society more. Been planning on something that builds intruder proof houses at a lower price but requires many years of work to get enough capital

        • i expected it to go to Wolf of Wall Street :D

      • +1

        I second this, it is a great lesson, that will probably be cheap for what it gives you in experience..
        Real opportunities are hard to find, and in my experience rely on an intersectionality of advantages - maybe cheap supplier, great marketing angle and a "moat" to stop someone copying.
        Look at the cesspit of franchises that are little more than scams.

        But when you have found the edge across a few dimensions, it is a great chance to make money.
        It sounds like you had an edge in supplier cost, but had to pay full price for marketing (ebay) and distribution (driving or post).
        Imagine the product where you had the cheap supplier, could deliver locally to a big enough market, and could get word of mouth business - all of a sudden instead of a pain it is a gold mine.

    • +6

      While your encouragement is endearing, (and a very common feel-good aphorism), it's a bit absurd.

      Not all failures are priceless life experiences. In fact, avoiding failure while learning is an even better experience. Or failing less. Or failing after already avoiding common and seemingly obvious mistakes.

      I've never net a single successful person who didn't burn through a few train wrecks before they got it right.

      Repeated failures doesn't guarantee success just because some success stories were preceded by failures - all their business ventures may fail, even the nth one. Figuring out what has a reasonable chance of success, i.e. an acceptable risk of failure, is an important first step.

  • +24

    The scariest part in this is you don’t seemed to have leant your lesson if you’re still planning on doing this again

    I do admire your perseverance though

    • +43

      Nah I do not plan on doing this ever again sorry if it wasnt clear hahaha it was a lesson learnt from a failed venture

      • +14

        Don't let it stop you from doing other things in the future. you have a lot of hard-won knowledge now that will come in handy at some point. Those who win big are usually those who have suffered many similar failures but kept getting back up.

        • -3

          When I fail I remember this quote "I have not failed. I just found 10,000 ways that it won't work" -Jesus.

          • +1

            @SarcasticEmu: After reading your comment I also remember this quote. “Do not believe everything you read on ozbargain” - John F Kennedy.

            • @michaelTito: What the hell are you on about? Everyone knows it was Aristotle who said that.

          • @SarcasticEmu: I believe it was Edison, and this is the quote.
            I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.

      • +2

        Good to hear :-)

      • +2

        depending on the year why didnt you dropship like everyone else? although my partner who also has an mba, only sort of broke even doing that years ago and i used to nag her about the waste of time. As for the scams why didnt you do a pay on delivery or 90 days payment? (maybe its not a thing these days or in aus ? )
        I at least applaud you guys for trying, I'm not that brave

        • +2

          No money in it, I've always joked that drop shipping is an MLM for men, most of the influencers are paid by Alibaba (Taobao/AliExpress) either directly through paid ads or through referrals, you only make money by advertising to a bigger sucker

          You take on all of the risk for minimal profit, everyone makes money except you, but none of them lose money when the customer is upset and demanding a refund or return.

          Affiliate marketing can be profitable, minimal risk for minimal reward, but I've only met one person who would have made less money by just working at Maccas for the time they spent on it.

  • +22

    During Uni I tried to start a side hustle

    How did you have time for uni? Your experience sounds exhausting. A thorough and conservative business plan would have highlighted most of your discoveries before you committed your own savings.

    Thanks for sharing. Life's not full of wins and it takes a brave person to discuss their mistakes. Good luck with future endeavours.

    • +10

      it was very hectic. basically uni was kindaon a back burner since im doing a double degree with CS and I was pulling all nighters at times to get things done. Do not recommend to anyone

  • +16

    tl;dr if you're starting a business do an actual business plan with all of the costs upfront. Also look into why everyone dropships these days, even large companies.

  • +14

    It's hard to imagine how one man in his garage could run a more cost efficient operation than Amazon… should have been pretty clear from the start.

    • +13

      I had grossly overestimated the margins that i thought amazon made

      • +7

        Amazon's low prices are built around human labour at near slavery levels. In your business, that means you are the person working like a slave.

        • Amazon has deployed over a million robots across its warehouses.

          • +2

            @trapper: The human labour is still at near slavery levels.

      • +5

        You'll find out that sometimes Amazon has products that are a loss leader just to A) create more traffic to their website while simultaneously B) destroying any competition.

        • +10

          You'll find out that sometimes Amazon has products that are a loss leader just … destroying any competition

          When I was in the tyre industry one of our bosses was quite happy to sell tyres at $1 profit if he knew it was taking a sale off a local competitor. It worked, over a 4 year period 4 of our major competitors shut down and our volume doubled.

          • +11

            @brad1-8tsi: Managed a independent bottleshop a couple decades ago and over a 10 year period took sales from $1,500 a week to $95,000 a week before i chose a career change.

            I regularly sold selected lines at cost or below just to get people in the door once i had a customer in the door they saw our range and prices were competitive with Woolworths.

            As Woolworths was my main competitor I chose lots of products from companies that refused to let Woolworths squeeze them.

            I never considered i would have the ability to shut them down as a chain Woolworths can absorb a decrease in sales from one store but they would regularly come around with notepad in hand comparing our prices.

            Approached a couple times by Woolworths with job offers but it was a case of i had complete control where i was which department managers at Woolworths dont have.

            I can't say i loved the entire job but i got a lot of job satisfaction from keeping a close eye on margins and product line choices.

            Reality was Woolworths weren't after me but wanted to disrupt or destroy the business i had worked hard to built up.

          • @brad1-8tsi: Can confirm this story is true. I was the $1 profit.

      • These days they make a huge amount of their revenue from promoted listings (i.e. ads).

  • +11

    Almost would have been better off wading through the (now) cesspool of competitive op shop reselling.

    Importing from China sounds like childs play but 1 bad shipment or deal (like you found out) and you are toast.

    • +3

      Almost would have been better off..

      Or even picking up a part time job and set the earnings aside through the 3-4 years degree would’ve paid off the Hecs debt, with work experience on the resume to boot.

      • +17

        agreed. but at 19 when I started this I thought it would be cool to have my own "business" you know?

        • +1

          rule #1 about business i took on board many years ago - never use your own money for the enterprise. if it is a good business plan you'll have no problem getting financing.

          • +6

            @Antikythera: In late 2024 a relative sold the business they'd developed over 8 years to an "angel investor" for $6m. They retained 5% equity. It was a husband & wife & 2 labourers operation making "stuff".
            Prior to sale the "Angel Investor" on-sold shares in the company to "sophisticated investors" and therefore had no financial skin in the game..
            The new owners appointed a GM, HR and other folk that didn't actually "make stuff". After 6 months they wanted an additional $50k capital injection for each 5% of ownership or forfeit your shares. My relative forfeited their shares. The company folded in December.

            • @brad1-8tsi: That's an interesting one… was there some condition in the agreement that allowed for the other parties to demand cash injection? Chatgpt tells me there would likely need to be a clause to allow it.

              "In most standard business sales:

              The retained 5% is:
              ✔️ Fully paid
              ✔️ Not subject to future calls
              ✔️ Cannot be forfeited for non-payment

              If someone later says:

              “Put in more money or lose your shares”

              👉 That’s not automatically valid unless:

              There’s a clause allowing it, OR
              They structure it via dilution or other mechanisms"

              • +1

                @Gravy: @Gravy

                I have no idea. I didn't see the contract.

                I do know the relative is somewhat disappointed that the product they developed and had a market for no longer exists.
                They got their money, got out of debt and bought a house after 20 years of renting and have money left over for retirement so the outcome is still positive.

  • +11

    I feel like you would have learned some of these lessons through an MBA (or business degree) but this was a very informative read. It's always difficult to share your failures so kudos to you for that.

  • +6

    As an entrepreneur myself, I have to say that your business planning was virtually non-existent. Why did you wait until after you had already entered the business to discover eBay's fee structure? Furthermore, why did you make the preconceived assumption that Alipay transfers allow for dispute resolution—an assumption I suspect stems from the fact that you were likely unaware PayPal presents similar risks? All of this information is clearly laid out on the website; a simple search would yield thousands upon thousands of discussion threads on the subject—they’ve even created a profit calculator tool. You should consider yourself lucky that this didn't result in far more severe consequences. You failed to conduct even a basic risk assessment before diving into this venture, let alone a fundamental competitive analysis. I truly don't understand what was going through your mind when you launched this business—did you simply buy up a batch of inventory and then just pray that you’d turn a profit?

    I apologize if that sounds a bit harsh, but your problem runs far deeper than just losing a little bit of money. I do admire your proactive, hands-on attitude; however, I sincerely hope you take the time to truly understand how the commercial world actually operates.

  • +4

    Fair enough. Looks like easy money when you find the same product on aliexpress sold here for 3x the price. But as you've found out theres a reason why.

    • +6

      yes. It is only good for saving money, not for making money

  • +4

    Ebay is not really the place to sell things with the huge fees. I was a 6 figure seller way way back in my uni days, until they started cranking up the fees from 5% to 15%+ including paypal, and they also greatly reduce visibility of smaller sellers until you start paying extra store promo fees. It turned into easy sales with low costs, to difficult sales with high costs, and buyers who knew they could just claim back their money through paypal by lying.

    What probably works better these days is you need quirky/unique items for impulse buys, sold via Instagram or FB ads. Video ads are a must, so they see the product in action. Then you need a shopify or similar checkout so they buy it in like 3 clicks without thinking, without even leaving instagram. It all stays in the popup/reel section.
    I have bought a few random things that way which I know are overpriced for what they are, like a $40 RGB ring light/lamp that took 6 weeks to arrive. Probably cost them $4 to build and $2 to post from china.

    But mate, you learned a lot of lessons. Don't give up, but you don't have to invest huge amounts to try this stuff.

    Insider tip - you can run ads without having any items to sell, just to see what the conversion rate would have been. Spend $500 on ads, see that 150 people clicked, and 7 of them went to the checkout so they would have bought it. Therefore you have a ~5% conversion rate or a $71 CPA (cost per acquisition). Unless you are making over $100 profit per item, this is not great, as it's costing you $70 for each sale you get.
    But once you have tested your conversion rate and your cost per sale, you can then tweak things to see if it makes things better or worse. Find an ad or technique that has 9% conversion instead? Better. Once you have found a campaign that tests successfully with an acceptable CPA, all you have to do is crank up the advertising budget knowing that if $500 spend gains you $1000 profit, well, $5000 spend should mean $10k profit etc etc. Don't order the container until you have sold a container worth - and just refund people if it looks like they are going to have to wait too long. Or offer them a free bonus gift if they don't mind waiting 2 more weeks?

    • +2

      This is the mum 'n pop version of corporate hellscape slop. Wow i hate it.

    • +1

      I like your idea of market analysis using ads for products you havent bought yet but isnt that a huge reputational risk if your first reviews are all negative due to not fulfilling orders?

      • +1

        You would be using a random IG/FB account which is essentially a throwaway or you will have multiple ones of. And your website only needs to be clean and generic, like LavaLampsOnline or something with a basic logo. Something that you can knock up in 20 mins because you're only selling 1 item anyway.
        If it's a $50 lamp or something, no one is going to extensively research to see if you're legit. Hell, they might not even remember their impulse buy if they never receive it (though I don't condone anything dishonest, you want to be genuinely selling a product you can deliver).
        You definitely don't want to p!ss people off if you can avoid it, so if they have to wait 4 weeks for their item then tell them that, but you also definitely don't want to order a whole container and fill up your whole house with junk like the OP did and only then start selling it. You want to know pretty much exactly how much money you're going to make before you even start spending (other than the test ads), and be able to start posting the items as soon as you receive them.

        • +4

          Great idea, setup a website, sell stuff you don't have and don't ever deliver it because the customer would have forgotten that they purchased it.

          • +2

            @joka: I would honestly intend to deliver anything I was selling.
            But I have bought a few things where I heard absolutely nothing for 3 weeks, then when I queried it, 'yes we sent it today'. So they must be factoring in x% of people never realising they didn't receive anything.

      • The whole idea is to drive fomo/ hit that ‘after all why shouldn’t I’ for the customer. Like it’s so cheap they won’t bother to go suss the business basically does not exist and is operating off a basic store.Shopify domain

    • +1

      Yeah that's something I had thought about after watching some videos online, but I thought it would be a bit deceptive and honestly I don't think I have it in me to do stuff like that. I think I even started off being a bit too nice, sometime a customer leaves me a positive review I'd go and refund them a few dollars, yeah definitely not a way to run a business
      Stuff relating to electronics have a lot higher margin but like I wrote in the post they're actually illegal to sell in Australia due to the high voltage risks and requiring certification. These were like hot glue guns that could be made for 50cents and you can resell for $5 or so.

    • This is smart stuff for the way things are right now.
      And there will be people who want a quick $1000 who will do this for whatever is the latest thing.
      Combine it with something others can't get or can't copy (hand made? prestige? customised?) and you can start getting more margin without competitors. Good post.

  • +4

    The sayins is "work on the business, not in the business.
    It means you are trying to save money because you are not making it.
    Budget, Budget, Budget.
    Start with how much you want to make in a year.
    List the products you want to sell and research their prices , their markets and their volumes
    Research Suppliers. Alibaba is generally reliable , and will give you MOQ's and FOB prices
    Then list all your overheads. It doesn't matter if they are incorrect for now, but then make up a budget.
    Then look at your risk, and see what your possibilities are.

    You can then work out a Pricing formula that will take you from FOB + Exchange rate + Landing charges + Order preparation + Delivery, + share of overheads ( you will need a 12 month forecast for this)
    After that you will actually have a reasonable idea of where you are going.
    you can Delete or add products as you go but you will always have a marker.
    There's a lot more such as budgetting purchases and sales by month so you have constant visibility of achievements

  • +3

    Don't worry, you're not alone. 90% of businesses fail in the first year. 98% by the third.

    Selling digital goods avoids a lot of the pitfalls you listed. However, as there is a lower barrier of entry, competition is much higher.

    • +11

      90% of businesses fail in the first year.

      Do you have a source for this? I don't think it's remotely true.

      Lawpath cites ABS stats and says, "60% of businesses in Australia will fail within their first three years of operation, with 20% of businesses failing in their first year of operating". The Australian Small Business and Family Enterprise Ombudsman says, "Two out of five micro and small companies (43%) are non-profitable".

  • +3

    Makes me glad I managed to find reliable factories in China to manufacture and import my products. It certainly took a lot of work and they're always so pushy for bigger sales.

    In the end I've managed to deal with them through Alibaba instead of direct, so I've got a little bit of buyer protection at least. The trade off is a slightly higher price, but that's the cost of doing business.

    • +2

      I actually met the seller of the computer fans thru those platforms and after buying hundreds from him through there. We ended up moving off platform so I could get a lower price and since I had visited his factory. I thought he was legit, but well well well the scams run deep.

      But honestly the main thing was i did not know that alipay had no buyer protection it was just something that seemed so foreign to me as we grow up with stuff like buyer protection and chargebacks

      • +4

        Damn that really sucks and seems to be all too common. Thermal Grizzly were in the same situation recently and lost US$46,000 from a copper supplier sending a pallets of steel covered with a sheet of real copper.

        The penalities when they're caught within China and without CCP ties are harsh, but for the rest of the little people like us. No chance.

        • +3

          Ea-nāṣir again! Will he ever go straight.

        • Oh wow, suddenly makes me feel a lot better when even a large company like them has gotten scammed. Yes I agree, the society there has way too many scammers honestly they just dont know how to speak English otherwide youd be getting calls from them everyday

  • +3

    I've sold over 5500 items on eBay and make a decent side hustle income on it. It cannot replace a proper income for me, but it's a welcome addition.

    Regarding the counterfeit stamps, yes, periodically they're all over eBay. The clue is in the price: No one is going to sell you $170 of stamps for $50, including postage. Doesn't matter what the cover story is.

    eBay's fees are pretty high, but I have never felt the need to use promoted listings. Losing another 12% is pretty brutal.

    For anyone thinking of selling on eBay, don't sell commodity items that a hundred other sellers offer or items available on Amazon/etc. It's a race to the bottom in terms of costs, and you won't win against someone drop shipping from China.

    • Yep agree with everything, the stamps were bought in like late 2023, back then they weren't as blatant as nowadays, they were sold commonly for around 70% Face Value which is just a bit lower than genuine retailers offloading old 18c stamps they usually around 80% FV. Nowadays it's all stuff like 19% FV so definitely fakes.

      • +1

        That is much sneakier than the current 70%+ off offers. I have received cheap eBay purchases using counterfeit stamps, and just messaged the seller telling them about it. Didn't leave negative feedback. The seller might not be aware of what's going on.

        • +2

          I get a lot of ebay items with reused genuine stamps. Sometimes it's very obvious and I don't know why Aus post still delivered the items.

          Once I got something from the US where the seller didn't even bother to peel the stamps off the previous envelope and just stuck the old envelope with the used stamps onto my parcel

          • +2

            @surfingedge:

            Once I got something from the US where the seller didn't even bother to peel the stamps off the previous envelope and just stuck the old envelope with the used stamps onto my parcel

            Now that's a real Yankbargainer! 👏

          • @surfingedge:

            Sometimes it's very obvious and I don't know why Aus post still delivered the items.

            Because if the stamp hasn't been cancelled then it's still valid.

            It could have been cut off damaged packaging that was never actually posted.

            • @spaceflight: Well maybe but how can you tell the difference between a used stamp that the postal system forgot to cancel and one that was actually never used?

              • @surfingedge: Because a used stamp has a stamp over it

                • @spaceflight: They aren't franked that's why they can be fraudulently reused

                  • @surfingedge: How do you know they are fraudulently reused?

                    If the stamp hasn't been cancelled then it's still valid.

                    It could have been cut off damaged packaging that was never actually posted.

  • +3

    But honestly, this has taught me more about the brutal reality of business than any Commerce unit in my degree ever could. Consider it my very expensive, very physically exhausting real-world MBA.

    Absolutely. Your experiences have taught you execution, the hardest thing in business. Another commenter mentioned sth about working on vs in your business (E-myth concept). True, but even successful CEOs start out working in their business.

    E.g. 15 years ago I provided a mentoring session to one of the Aussie co-founders of an eCommerce platform sthCommerce listed on the NASDAQ in my area of expertise. He brought spreadsheet printouts and a laptop of his analysis using the methodology in my book on optimising where to buy. No other student did anywhere near that level of work.

    A decade before that I was pushing wheelbarrows of pebbles down the side of a property and rolled turf over the front and backyard. I could have hired someone to do it, but wanted to know and minimize my expenses. Five years after this, after my company had paid $50k for my Exec-MBA, my strategic thinking was grounded by the practical realities that I had experienced.

    My kids won't need to work as hard as I did (in very short bursts), but I will encourage/push them to undertake manual work, e.g. landscape gardening, or a trade, or selling something, at least for a few years, to learn the school of hard knocks.

    • analysis using the methodology in my book on optimising where to buy

      What's your book?

  • +2

    Thanks for sharing Op. Look forward to hearing your follow up successes in years to come.

    • +2

      Thanks for reading! hopefully it'll help someone who gets a similar idea,haha

  • +2

    You have to find the niche. It's hard but when you do it becomes like a goldmine.

    I did it years ago, worked out well for a while but lost the momentum.

  • +1

    I made a small attempt at importing and selling 20+ years ago on a low expectation scale. And it ended up being a waste of time and effort. I am lucky though, that I broke even in the end.

    I thought the idea was sound at the time. I bought in tyre pressure monitoring systems and reversing cameras with monitors, thinking they would sell well.

    I only tried with selling on ebay at the time, as there were not a lot of others available back then. And the ebay fees were reasonable at that time as well. Ultimately, there was just not a lot of interest so I just decided to not continue. (I feel somewhat vindicated though as just about every modern car these days has a reversing camera, and some cars now have TPMS lol)

    I made way more money selling genuine used classic Ford car parts and Honda motorcycle parts over the years. But that dried up pretty quickly as others found out there was good money in them, and the price of wrecks & parts etc skyrocketed and it became more difficult to source good products at a reasonable price.

    I think the chances of making money from ebay these days is way more difficult than it used to be unless you have a product that is fresh. is niche or something everyone wants asap. And even then, you would want to cash in and move on before every man and his dog copies you.

    Credit to you for having a go and I hope you succeed in the future. And credit to anyone who has managed to make a success of their efforts.

    • +4

      I see! I started off eBay by selling off my used items or spare items I had lying around, and when I saw people actually bought them that was when I thought maybe I can turn this into a business? Then when I was running it, I found tape to be sold at quite a markup here, so I imported loads of tape, then it was packaging satchels, cardboard boxes, later when I was labelling some case fans with stickers, I found thermal paper and printing services here very expensive, then I shipped loads of thermal stickers, printers and started to print for local ecommerce stores and restaurants. Waste of time and space though

      • +4

        You identified a gap in the marketplace. No many people can, so don't bee too hard on yourself.

      • You've learnt a lot and that is money well spent.

        I think you need to do your research and your maths properly first.

        Most businesses make 5-15% net profit at scale. You always make more at a smaller scale but set costs are mostly set until you can reach a high enough volume to reduce the other expenses per item, then as you expand you need more staff and a bigger warehouse.

  • +1

    eBay called me recently and asked me to try their new Live feature. I do all the work to set up live streaming to sell my items at auction. I declined as it's not something I would ever be interested in, and my items are too niche anyway.

    It's also a good indication of eBay's business and how to make money: be the middleman taking a cut of someone else's work. Whether it's Doordash, Uber, eBay, etc, get someone else to put the effort in while you make more money than they ever will.

    The problem of course is that everyone is always trying to get rid of the middleman if they possibly can.

  • +1

    At least you lost money doing and learning something, not through depreciation from your $100k monster Ute or meme coins,

  • +1

    Sounds like you came off lightly. Count yourself lucky that you did not have help from AI with your business plan:

    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2026/mar/26/ai-chat…

    "He doesn’t know what finally pulled him back to reality. Perhaps it was the conversations with other patients. Perhaps it was that he had no access to his phone, no more money and his ChatGPT subscription had expired."

  • +1

    Thanks for taking the time to do the detailed write up mate. I'm a big believer in passing on learnings.

    Alas, at least I know I've tried.

    Despite the substantial loss (time, money and effort), knowing that you won't regret not trying and being able to learn from the experience is what makes us keep going afterwards.

    In saying that, all investments carry a substantial amount of risk.

    I've always found business and shares to riskier investment vehicles so haven't dabbled with them much. I've only ever bought one share and the one business venture I and some uni mates started on didn't get far.

    My money has primarily gone into property as I felt I understood it more. But even then I've encountered issues greater than what most people could imagine. Those issues took years to overcome (we're talking things like an effective $3mil defect issue across an entire townhouse complex that was a body corp problem and thus an eventual cost to me if it wasn't solve properly… and it hadn't been dealt with well up to when I got involved).

    What I've learnt over time is:
    - the reward needs to be substantial enough to be worth the endeavour. If it's not, don't start.
    - be prepared be fully invested (i.e. ready to learn and master the right things, and ready to give up a lot of your time) in order to come out the other end intact.
    - make sure you're accurately and honestly representing the risks to yourself

    And as the saying goes… "Do not pray for an easy life, pray for the strength to endure a difficult one"

  • +1

    I’ve observed that many young entrepreneurs try to imitate the “success” they see on social media. In reality, those flaunting their wealth and claiming instant success are often masking their own struggles and trying to draw others into the same trap.

    I’ve also met several young entrepreneurs who jump into business ventures without properly assessing costs or valuing their own time and effort. When they factor in the real cost of their personal labour, they often realise they could have earned more by working steadily at a regular job with genuine effort — rather than chasing short-term side hustles.

    Thank you for sharing your experience and highlighting the misconception that side hustles offer easy money.

  • +1

    Sounds like you've learned a lot and once you find an area that can support healthier margins you'll do much better the next time with the grit you display. I do note however it sounds like you haven't yet learned about actually going through the calculations fully:

    once I factored in petrol

    Fuel is like 10% or less of the total cost of running a vehicle. ATO reimbursement rates per KM for 25/26 are 88c/km for a reason, it costs a lot to maintain a vehicle. This extends to basically every aspect of running a business - you need to know ahead of time about the costs of stuff beneath the surface layer.

  • +1

    Well done for trying. I remembered watching or hearing some podcast. A researcher interviewed a number of old people in nursing or people close to dying, they ask what they regret about life, the most consistent answer was, they regret the things they didn't do.

  • +1

    Hey man - great read and thanks for sharing. I genuinely wish you succuss in the future!

  • +1

    Great post OP.
    Takes some balls to admit you failed, and even bigger ones to admit that publically.
    I bow my hat to you. But dont stop, ever !

    I am on similar journey and trying to build something.
    Just yesterday i finally decided to not do DropShipping, one cant compete with big companies or chinese manfucaturers themselves selling through dummy accounts

    I am building a niche line and been thinking if i should run a promotion on OZB, as my part to 'give back' to the community.
    involves massive work and effort, each day. We end up selling our time and getting peanuts for it.
    Its easy to say, you should have accounted for XYZ , but in reality you get to know some of these things when you are beyond point of no return.
    Dont believe it? You think you can do better avoiding simplest pitfalls? Give it a go :D we will see how easy it is to be blind to an obvious thing when you are dealing several priorities each day. Those blindspots are right infront of you , and yet you never detect until too late.

    Dont be dishearted.
    You have learnt a lot, and i myself have learnt a lot from my previous (failed) venture which is helping me immensely in this current one.

    Businessmen have a dream, an amibiton , makes us take that risk
    Not everyone can do it.
    Every day is a new day.

    Bounce back and do it better: thats my advice.
    If you like coffee or beer, lets catchup to exchange notes. PM me

  • +1

    Pls for the love of god stay away from influencer $10,000 courses. Thats Gina be ur next post in a year how you spent ur life savings on more usless crap like “I’ll teach you to be taller”

  • +1

    You are highly likely to succeed in your 20s.

    The difference between you and most other 20 somethings is you take initiative.

    Most of your ideas were pretty dumb but you only need 1 good idea to make alot of money.

  • +1

    I have done similar things. It is definitely harder to make money these days compared to 50 years ago. You won’t make much money just selling cheap products with low margins. You should look into other lines of business that have proven success. These days, I find that working full-time is a more reliable way of making money. Don’t believe everything you read in books; sometimes it’s just propaganda. It’s not always true that you can be your own boss and be successful in business.

    I have tried doing many different things. You might make a little, and some people make more, but working full-time provides a steady and reliable income.

  • Thanks for your sacrifice OP so that us plebs can learn from your mistakes.

    • Haha happy to take the L and hopefully saves someone else a few thousand dollars and a lot of headaches :)

      • You only learn from studying, or making mistakes.

  • You seem like a genuine guy looking at your prior threads.

    Thanks for sharing and sorry to hear your troubles. You live, you learn, you live better. Heads up.

    • +1

      Thanks man!! All the best to you too

      • +2

        Also dont mind many of these armchair critics…

        So easy to be in the peanut gallery picking holes. Much harder trying to build something from scratch.

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