EV5: https://www.kia.com/au/shopping-tools/offers/car-offers/ev5.…
436km WLTP[R]
Integrated Panoramic Display (12.3"+5"+12.3")
Kia Connect with OTA updates
V2L interior & exterior
Blind Spot Collision Avoidance Assist & Rear Cross Traffic Collision Avoidance[S]
Its 3.6
Geezus, such an idiotic comment
Nah, its way better than Albo. At least it'll get you somewhere without a whole heap of parroting and dribbling.
yeah that's what not bad means. not good, just ok.
for some reason people like to change it to "not great". which also means just ok. not good would be more correct though.
those are the ugliest wheels on any car that's ever existed
Steelies exist you know
I think wheels aren’t even the only problem.
It’s absolutely poverty pack on these cars and they try to do the traditional price walk.
Chinese manufacturers are equipped SO MUCH better.
Yep, the car looks great but once I looked into the specs and saw that they dropped safety sensors off every model except the one at the top of the line, I was like no way. The EV5 base model is a bare bones, zero luxury, short range package that's been running for over a month now.
they dropped safety sensors off
Funny thing is many drivers prefer to have the option to switch these sensors/alarms off. And then perhaps on.
Lane departure and proximity sensors the usual culprits.
It turns out I live in poverty. Really missing all the unnecessary shiny stuff in my life.
Even outside the newer chinese brands I think this holds true. Base model price looks sharp(ish), but veeery bare bones (for the money) and doesn't even stack up great to a Sportage for example. Spec it up to the top of the line and you're at BMW iX1 pricing, and far above the likes of Tesla/BYD/Zeekr etc which are all generally more spacious/better performance etc.
There's something to be said for mainstream brands in terms of reliability, availability of service etc - but it's still made in China like the rest.
Never mind the wheels but these are the ugliest EV's going around, like bricks on wheels
The Chinese have finally forced legacy car makers to compete 😂
Hasn’t Korean tech always been super competitive! What am I missing
Compete on pricing I expect. The Korean manufacturers are certainly more expensive.
i mean you can still see it here
this seems to be about the size of a corolla cross so its not a full size compact eg. CRV RAV4 sized
and its still FWD across the range
they aint giving you that much for your money'
they'd give you even less if the chinese werent here
Unfortunately, those korean cars manufacturers had started considering themselves in Europeans grade league…chinese cars are bringing them back to reality….and with experience with Kia, if they are advertising economy as 436km, it will surely give you around 200 mark….
Pretty competitive in tech but falls into the Japanese world of offering cars in 40 trim levels, where the 39th highest trim will get you out of cloth seats.
Cloth seats with quality fabric are great. The Chinese car manufacturers are leaving us no choice and forcing faux leather and sunroofs on us - that's not great. Faux leather and sunroofs won't last.
@beesider: Why won't sunroofs last? They typically aren't opening ones, they're mostly just a slab of glass glued in that will last for ages (Assuming the glass isn't chipped/broken).
@noisymime: And assuming the rubber and glue are quality AND withstand aussie UV conditions. There is a plethora of examples where imported cars have been ruined by aussie conditions. To think none of this influx in Chinese vehicle's will stumble similarly is borderline comical.
@Xizor: I'll assume it's structural bonding. How often have you seen a glued in windscreen (ie any windscreen from the last 20+ years) fail at the adhesive? It happens, but it's not exactly common, this process is pretty mature now.
I much prefer quality cloth seats over cheap leather that will look shit in 5 years.
I much prefer the feeling of cloth seats too. Apart from ease of cleaning, I don't get the appeal of leather.
@placard: It is weird that leather seats are associated with cheap budget airlines while the better airlines have cloth seats.
Don’t know why it is the opposite when it comes to cars.
@Save 50 Cent: not sure about airlines but sofas/couches also are more expensive when made from (real) leather, in general.
I've had both types in cars and I wouldn't buy another car with cloth seats - they stain too easily and i like the feel of decent-or-above leather
Korean car reliability hasn't exactly been the best
Depends on who you compare them against. They probably only fall behind Japanese and better than pretty much everyone else out there (German, Chinese, American etc)
@npnp: They're on par with Japanese now too. Even Toyota tends to have the same recalls as HMG in Australia. In the North America, where HMG have had most of their problems, Toyota has a lot more problems than they do in Australia, too.
The big exception would be the ICCU's in some HMG BEV's (not EV3 or EV5), which was a big f-up on HMG's part, but then again, Toyota only manufactures a single BEV.
Mitsubishi, Nissan and Suzuki's build quality is definitely no better than HMG's.
@BestTechAdvisor: I wouldn't take 'recalls' as a measure of reliability. I've had 5 recalls for my Prius but it was an absolutely trouble free car. These hybrid cars easily last over 1 million KMs with original engine and gearbox without any repair whatsoever, now that is called reliability. I can't say the same for Korean cars unfortunately. You will struggle to find 500K km driven Hyundai let alone 1 million that I can tell you.
Agree with your other points though. Lately Mitsubishi and Nissan reliability has been far from perfect BUT I'd still rate them higher than any Korean.
I wouldn't take 'recalls' as a measure of reliability. I've had 5 recalls for my Prius but it was an absolutely trouble free car
It's a good measure when all the recent recalls tend to be for the same things.
You will struggle to find 500K km driven Hyundai let alone 1 million that I can tell you.
The average Australia drivers <13,000km/year. 1,000,000. The average Aussie would need to drive over 75 years to reach a million kilometres. There's not many cars that are over 1,000,000km.
When you consider that HMG's sales and quality has skyrocketed in the last 10 years, it's understandable that there aren't many with >1,000,000 kilometres (though, there are some). That's a much worse measure of current reliability than recalls.
This is made clear by the fact that Toyota's issues are, like HMG's, in areas of innovation. Toyota has been extremely conservative until recently - making minimal changes to most of their vehicles for over two decades, and that passes for reliability these days. Wherever Toyota has attempted to innovate post-COVID, they have been no more reliable than HMG, VAG, or BYD.
There's also other factors that contribute to the long life of Toyotas that has nothing to do with the product itself. The type of people who buy Toyotas just want to go from A-B without much fun (since Toyota stopped making performance vehicles for 2 decades); Toyotas hold resale value so people maintain them for longer; Toyotas offer less features, meaning there is less that can go wrong; Toyota has more parts availability, meaning 20 year old cars are able to be economically maintained; I can go on.
Depends.
Our 2015 Santa Fe has not had any issues other than wear and tear replacements.
With Kia and Hyundai EVs I'm not convinced that ICCU issues are resolved.
Perhaps less in EV3s.
I have two Kia's. A 2018 Sportage Diesel and a 2020 Picanto.
Neither of them had any issues at all over the years. I've only done the scheduled servicing and tyre change.
They have never been competitive. Kia was always overpriced.
For SUVs sure. For small cars they were very competitive for a while.
Nah, they are now but a few years back (2020) we got a new cerato for $22k. Great car for the money.
Not in EVs it isn't.
They used to be, but prices on Kia have gone a lot steeper in the last couple of years. I bought a Sportage new for 28k in 2020.
EV5 comes out of China
Kia is a Korean brand. Toyota is not a Thai brand if it builds cars in Thailand.
thing is the comparison to thailand isnt the same because there's no battery tech in thailand and its just the labour they are leveraging
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that's different to china where they go as far as to rebadge a chinese car
the comparison might be with tesla too… they're not using much china tech at all there
Produced in China by the Jiangsu Yueda Kia Motors joint venture to compete with affordable Chinese electric vehicles
Leveraging off the manufacturing to get to market quicker.
Korean built EV5s are available mostly likely only in Korea and maybe Europe.
$3k more I'll get the Volvo EX30
Which you can't charge past 70% due to issues…
with kia and hyundai you are praying your charge computer doesnt go kaput and then they cant get you a replacement
This thread perfectly summarises why to buy Chinese. Whatever issues you may face they seem to be less catastrophic…
HMG's ICCU issue doesn't affect EV3 and EV5.
Or just get the EX5 and save some dosh…
Isn’t ev5 much bigger
No, not really. EV5 is disappointly not as spacious as it looks. If you sit behind one in traffic you'll know what I mean. The body is wide, but the cabin itself is fairly narrow. 3 adults in the back you'd think would be ok, but it's barely bigger than the EV3. The Geely EX5 is easily the most spacious EV in that small to mid size SUV segment.
EV5 is bigger than the EX5 right? EX5 has great back seat space but disappointing boot space.
@Punkboy: No, the EV5 is the same length as the EX5 with the same wheelbase. The only difference is that it's narrower by 2.6cm and taller by 4.5cm so they are basically identical. The EX5 probably feels bigger as they compromised on roughly 120L of boot space to give the passengers more room. If you can handle the small boot, the EX5 is more luxurious and has more range, tech & safety features for basically the same price.
Can never work out who this person is with 3 adults in the back (or even any adults in the back)…
@drprox: This is quite common when you take parents out etc. back seat space is super important when I make a purchasing decision
I disagree on the spacious EV comment. The Aion V is way more spacious inside than the EX5. It's not even close. Head and leg room in the Aion V is so much better.
I have an EV5 and would consider it quite spacious. There is abundant leg room for all passengers, more than the Camry it replaced.
Korean EVs are using old Chinese technology and battery.
What's the saving? Isn't EV5 50K driveaway usually for base grade?
So $10.
less. they discount at the dealership?
Another SUV, where are all the EV Sedans?
Kia EV4, BYD Seal, Tesla Model 3, Hyundai Ioniq 6, MG IM5, Polestar 2 (4 maybe too), BMW i4. Plenty around.
It's a shame most listed are more expensive than the SUVs.
Kia EV4 and BYD seal are the only cost competitive.
There's also the Mazda 6e which is about this price so that's a third option
Can we not talk about the ev4 sedan in the same breath as the others… And particularly first lol. I'm busy pretending it doesn't exist.
Agreed, I saw an EV4 the other day and nearly threw up in my mouth. Absolutely hideous, and I thought the Tasman was bad.
Our market doesn't buy sedans, other than the Camry.
Kia has an EV4 to bring here but won't because there is no market for it.
Yeah most that wants a sedan usually end up going, 'oh yeah I want a sedan but the wife/partner/mum/dog wanted an SUV instead'
Same story with so called 'wagon' buyers.
I represent that as a wagon buyer! I had a Skoda Octavia and it was a great family car. Huge amount of space for weeks/weekends away. Bunnings/Ikea trips are easy (have fit a 2m long table top in). Kids can lift things in/out of the boot themselves, and it drives like a sedan.
We've gone to the Sealion7 now, not because I wanted an SUV but because the boot opening on the Seal is too small for large items, and there are no EV wagon options around, and not many more petrol options even if I wanted that.
@camr00: …and you probably still sacrificed boot space moving to the 'SUV' because of their 'aerodynamic' shape.
@NigelTufnel: Look, for sure, and we were super spoilt with the 550l boot in the Skoda.
There is talk of a BYD Seal 6 'Touring' coming out (PHEV, not pure EV) which would be a good option. Should be this year, but CBF'ed waiting. Plus, change of circumstances meant that EV makes more sense for us than a PHEV.
@camr00: you and i are the same person!
I loved my Octavia until the DSG gave up, and I love my SL7 overall…..but the zeekr 007GT makes my brain salivate
I’d get a sedan but being around these SUVs means I have very poor visibility around corners and past them.
Sucks but I refuse to participate in this vehicle size arms race
same, i love my hatchback but after driving my van for work and going back into the hatch the limited visibility sucks because of all these SUVs and pickup trucks everywhere nowadays
Agree imagine buying a car because you obsess about seeing past another one sitting stationary in traffic..
@drprox: It's not about looking past others in stopped traffic. Every day I turn right from home into a busy road and right near the turn, tall SUVs and utes are parked on both sides, totally blocking my view. I have to literally stick my hatchback halfway out before seeing anything. A little extra height will help. I like my decade old hatchback but it's getting impractical.
@soan papdi: That sucks and I feel for you. I'm still not convinced I could buy a car for that niche purpose but it does suck.
The giant ugly utes driven by idiots are a bigger problem than SUVs now.
if it makes you feel any better someone just posted this MG sedan, and didn't link to the IM6 SUV at all! I know because I looked for the link to see what it looked like and couldn't find it! 😂
I just want station wagons back. There are SFA reasonably affordable EVs with the seats up bootspace of a commodore wagon.
They're evolving that way mate. As SUVs get sportier and sportier combined with the fact a wagon will be more energy efficient in EV form we will get there!
(Just don't complain when they're still sold as "SUV")
Mazda 6E really missed their chance to include a wagon model.
Agreed. I've still got an early 2000s Camry wagon just hit 400K. I want my next car to be EV, but don't really want SUV or sedan.
There is the zeekr 7gt/007gt though it's not here yet and not big enough in the back for my liking. Step in the right direction though.
Still looks basically like a hatchback boot…
Not bad