Where/How Can I Submit Footage of Dangerous and Illegal Driving to Police? [NSW]

I'm looking to submit footage of dangerous driving where the offender can get fined/dealt with by the police. Where can I do this? Anyone done this before?

I'm not trying to be a Karen and trying to report people for speeding 3km/h over the limit, but I genuinely fear families are going to be killed crossing the road.

There is an intersection close to my house with a flat long straight after it, and a decent hill before it. I would call it a regular occurance for drivers of heavier cars in particular to blatantly run the red light. I'm not talking about crossing the red light after 0.4 secs, more like 2.5 seconds and right as the green walking man shows up.

Also, idiots weaving in and out of traffic with their mates in a Toyota Corolla Sportivo and Golf GTI on a Friday night, cutting in front of everyone to get ahead.

The cops can't be there all the time, speed/red light cameras locations are obvious….so if these idiots actually face some consequences from dash cam footage, then maybe the roads will be safer.

EDIT: I guess there's nothing one can do to combat this. I guess it's do whatever and don't get caught :/

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  • +22

    Dashcam monthly Australia might be interested

    • +5

      Hmmmm, I guess that raises awareness but I actually want consequences. I need these drivers off the road before someone gets killed.

      • +15

        I need these drivers off the road

        One down, 999998 to go.

        • +1

          Two down, there were sportivo and gti drivers.

      • +3

        Been there done that.
        Police dont care unless someone is injured.
        Dashcam only helps with insurance claims.

      • Go to police station and submit yourself in person, especially if it made yourself in danger on the road.

      • -3

        You won't get anywhere. Civilian dashcam is often inadmissible as evidence. Defense lawyers would rip it apart.

        • How is it "often inadmissible" and how would lawyer "rip it apart"?

          Can't see any reason that would be the case.

          • +1

            @metallum: Agreed that's probably over generalisation. Police appeal for dashcam footage all the time, why would they do that if it's not gonna help them in court

          • @metallum: OP wants someone charged for dangerous driving. You have to identify the driver, not just the car. Good luck doing that with dashcam. It was hard even before AI made every video suspect. Cops ain't gonna risk the embarrassment and costs.

            • @Cheap Gamer: Dashcam footage is direct evidence the offence occurred. Police issue a form of demand under s177 of the road transport act requiring the owner to supply the driver details at the time stated. Cops do this every day. It's not hard. To pretend they don't want to "risk embarrassment" is just incorrect.

              • -1

                @metallum: And they or their lawyer simply reply that they don't know who was driving at the time and kindly FO.

                • +2

                  @Cheap Gamer: And then the owner gets charged with failing to supply details. You seem to think you have found some magic loophole to get out of all traffic offences, by just saying you don’t know who the driver was at the time. Guess we can all speed through every speed camera and claim that. Surprised no one thought of that earlier. 🤷‍♂️

                  Can we circle back to why you think the dash cam is inadmissible. You failed to answer that.

                  • +1

                    @metallum:

                    Guess we can all speed through every speed camera and claim that. Surprised no one thought of that earlie

                    Speed camera offences are reverse onus offences. The presumption is that the registered owner is the driver of the car and it is up to them to prove they weren't if it was somebody else.

                    For general traffic offences it's up to the police/claimant to provide the proof of who was driving as there is no presumption on the registered owner.

                    They carry the presumption of innocence.

                    And then the owner gets charged with failing to supply details.

                    And as the legislation clearly stated "I don't know" is an available defence.

                    You seem to think you have found some magic loophole to get out of all traffic offences,

                    No loophole, it's the law.

                    • @Muppet Detector: You’re correct regarding general speed camera offences. I was trying to use it as an analogy, my bad.

                      With regards to the form of demand, if the owner doesn’t answer or gives a “I don’t know” your correct the original offence would not be prosecuted. But it would be likely the owner would be proceeded against for not supplying the details of the driver. The owner would need to show they made reasonable attempts to identify the driver. A non answer or a don’t know would be insufficient and likely lead to a prosecution.

                      • +1

                        @metallum: lol, are you trying to school me in the law?

                        You know what I meant by "I don't know", they did teach me how to read the legislation the day they taught law at law school.

                      • -1

                        @metallum:

                        The owner would need to show they made reasonable attempts to identify the driver.

                        Plausible deniability. There are plenty of excuses, like the car was borrowed.
                        Did your parents tell you police catch bad guys? Actually they can't do much a lot of the time.

  • +8

    Police don’t care… I worked on a school crossing for a few years and had weekly photos and videos of dangerous driving and near hits on the crossing and every time the police said “if we didn’t witness it, there is nothing we can do,”

    They may be interested and they may put it on file to build a case, but the chances they will go around and issue a fine is very very very slim to almost nil.

    • +1

      And most traffic wardens/ school crossing never want to get involved after initial report

      • +1

        Because most of them are frustrated by an inactive system… It's not that they dont want to get involved, it's just that complaints fall on deaf ears or it goes no further… You end up being fobbed off more so than actually being engaged and not wanting to go further.

        One copper told me "It's not for us to investigate. You are covered by WorkCover if you get hurt, so what is the problem?"

        Another time I made a complaint, the copper told me… "Is it part of your job to be on the crossing?", to which I said "yes". He then told me then that dangerous drivers are an OH&S issue and that I need to take it up with my supervisor or OH&S rep…

        Another told me it was "illegal" to photograph or take videos around school zones and that I could face potential charges.

        For parking issues, the council ranger would come to my crossing once a year, maybe twice if they were feeling generous. "Parking enforcement just inst a big issues for us to be concerned with" but every time they were there, they would catch 30+ infringements in a single 1 hour observation… @ $400+ per infringement. "not a big issue"

    • That really sucks. Nothing ever happens until someone is hit or killed

  • +6

    What did they say when you talked to the police at your local police station?

    • +3

      I'm trying to find a similar thing to "Snap, send and solve" but for dangerous driving. I'm not proactive enough to go sit at a police station to file a report.

      Surely there's a dedicated team that handles online submissions

      • +6

        The ACT has had dangerous driving online reporting since May 24. You fill out an online form and upload your video, police review and take action. I expect other states will follow suite in time.

      • When you lodge the report at the station they'll give you a link to upload the file and attach it to that event number. That's if they agree to take the report.

      • Nope just forwarded to local Police or Traffic officers as sworn officers need to vet .

      • If they make it that easy, they will receive thousands of stupid videos a week and it will take up a lot of resources that they already don’t have for bigger issues.

        • +1

          Three to four fines a day would pay for an officer's time. You could give it to some who are near retirement, so they don't suffer what I have been told by movies happens on the final shift.

      • yeah they need online reporting for such things ..

        (and a texting service for other real-time emergencies)

      • -4

        If you aren't "proactive enough", why are you bothering to record and posting questions here like a "Karen"? Just walk, ride or drive to your local police station. What the hell!

    • +1

      Mind your own business 😉

  • +5

    Have you tried actually submitting it to the police?

    Otherwise, contact your local councillor about that specific location. That’s why they work for you.

  • +4

    Crime stoppers.

  • +4

    Can you imagine the amount of video footage sent to the police if this was a thing?

  • +4

    You mention that you ‘don’t want to sit in a police station for an hour’ to report this.

    However…. How are you going to sit in court for a day, as you get called as a witness when the driver contests the action you so desire?

  • +3

    Write to your local council to add speed bumps.

    Liaise with your local police station, particularly with number plates of the offending vehicle.

    I Iive close a similar stretch, wide, straight and quite street. People are generally okay with odd occasion of speeding. However, frequent to see mobile speed cameras on that particular street.

    • Seems to be a main road if there's traffic lights and speed bumps are a no go.

      Probably a main road which TfNSW is responsible for. Probably needs to write to the local member too.

      This website has data on it so they should use crash data to justify better safety measures and enforcement. https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/roadsafety/statistics/inter…

  • +3

    One of my friends provided footage of someone sitting fire to his workshop. And guess what the police did

    • +6

      Was it nothing?
      Did they do nothing?

    • +6

      Brought marshmallows?

    • Did he claim on insurance or was anyone injured?

      • +1

        It happened at night and they advise to claim on insurance

        • So basically it was dark and insufficient to ID someone. What did you expect to happen?

  • +3

    My local council has a traffic management committee with them, cops and TfNSW reps that meet quarterly. They consider stuff like new crossing, changes to traffic light arrangements, road changes etc. through a lens that is very concerned with safety.

    This would be an avenue for the poorly sited lights you mention, as you could reasonably expect they will instigate a period of increased monitoring to investigate if the things you fear are common are occurring.
    Be aware, though, like a lot of government processes it can take several years for a change as they monitor, draft a plan, consult, find funding, revise the plan, notify then finally make changes. A zebra crossing at our local school took 4 years of hassling.

    I think your Friday night hoons is a different issue, and frankly, you’re not going to find a systemic way of addressing your opinion that they are changing lanes more than you think is prudent.

  • +3

    https://www1.police.nsw.gov.au/crime_report
    Report the incident here
    You generally need to provide vehicle license plate number and (date & time) when incident occurred

    • Thank you, this looks like some sort of avenue to report that doesn't require me to sit for an hour at the police station everytime

    • Do tell us what crime was committed?

      I generally think police waste a bunch of their time for tax revenue purposes so this is just piling onto that…

  • +3

    crime stoppers. select traffic. upload videos.
    I once uploaded video of a car speeding at like 150kmh at m5 tunnel. Horrible thing was later on we found that car hit a motorcycle. Many people stopped can help the victim. I didn’t stay around to find out if the cyclist survived.

    I hoped that man got arrested for attempted man slaughter and reckless driving

  • +2

    I would guess unless they can catch them at the time to add to their daily quota, they won't give a sh$1. I've never once found the police to be useful for anything after the fact.

    I once encountered a driver driving erratically and when I got near they tried to run me off the road a number of times - crazy-eyed like they wanted to kill me. I went to the police station afterwards and they said without proof they can't do anything. So I asked ok, well in that instance would it be acceptable for me to film them, even though I'm the only one in the car? The office literally laughed in my face. They told me I should've pulled over and started filming then…. Riiiight. Another time a car smashed into me causing damage. We exchanged numbers, but they refused to engage with me. I went to the police and they just shrugged and said "that's a civil matter, not our business".

    • +1

      "that's a civil matter, not our business"

      Factual.

  • +2
  • +2

    I tried to do this with VIC Pol at my local police station but they weren't interested in taking my dash cam footage of someone doing like 80 - 100 in a 40 zone.

    They said if they didn't damage my car then they can't really do anything unless I specifically wanted to press charges in court.

  • +1

    as a passenger all I can say is it happens all the time.

    I see cars running through Stop signs without slowing down at all. car stopped at a red light, suddenly try to go through for no reason. cars turning from middle lane. cars turning around on one way street. way more I'm not remembering.

    • +2

      actually expected a bit of a bad reply to this, like I was trying to say "it doesn't matter".

      not saying it doesn't matter. just that even with rules the road is literally the wild west (cowboys on horses) especially as a passenger/pedestrian who is observing everything and not driving focusing on not hitting the car in front. probably a endless list of these things happening, and the police are constantly just playing catch up and taking whoever they actually catch off the road (by deleting their license). I don't think if you take a video of bad driving to police they will get on it as urgent.

      go on any long drive, not just a drive to the station or the shops and you will see a couple of serious oh crap moments. then on top of all this, you have people driving when they shouldn't be (no license) because of drugs or alcohol, or kids driving when they shouldn't be, or person passed out at the wheel with car running on the side of the road, elderly person driving extremely slow on a big road.

      but tbh as a passenger the most scary thing for me is, when a car comes up from behind, and gets stuck because they want to speed. and they will swerve in front of the car I'm riding in, then get stuck behind another car, so swerve back the opposite way, then get stuck behind another car. then to the far outside lane in one go, then repeat. this is scary because we are all travelling at the same speed, the situation is longer then it needs to be, and you have this car almost losing control because it wants to "show" all the others they want to get past. <— every time I see a car driving like this, I think myself "they must have crashed 10 mins later" but I don't think it's actually true. it's just scary and that's how I react.

      oh and yes btw the Stop sign I walk past that people like to speed through, I've seen 4 crashes there already. the cars always end up in strange places because of crashing, but I'm sure that's the reason. it's always that intersection.

      • +5

        Yes this is the stuff I'm talking about. I do an average of a 1-2 hour round trip everyday to and from work and it happens wayyy too often.

        1. People suddenly changing lanes and forcing themselves into the left lane cause they're stuck waiting at a red right turn arrow knowing darn well they won't safely fit. They absoutely won't do that to truck or bus, but will happily do it to regular cars cause every other time they did it…. people slam on the brakes everytime to avoid a collision. It simply reinforces and encourages the behaviour.

        2. People flying into roundabouts at like 50km/h to try and beat me to it, but the tip of my car has literally already entered the roundabout before they even close to it. And then they fricken honk like I'm wrong. If it was a regular intersection then yes, I'm wrong…. but in a roundabout it's not who goes the fastest has way. And it's always the heavier cars too…. Ford Rangers, Ford Raptors, lifted Hiluxs, Isuzu utes, etc. Most of the time they don't want to brake.

        3. People tailgaiting me when I'm rolling to a red light 150 down the road. I'm literally rolling at 53km/h and slowing down the red light, and people have to aggressively cross the double lines, floor it over the speed limit, cut infront of me, only to slam on the brakes and wait the exact same time for the red light.

        I swear if there was comission to be made by reporting and providing evidence for traffic infringements… Australia will be the first in the world to the free of traffic violations.

        • +2

          I do an average of a 1-2 hour round trip everyday to and from work and it happens wayyy too often.

          yeah it's probably even worse at rush hour times. because normal drivers already bit anxiety and stress from the traffic (being late), and those terrible aggressive drivers are probably wound up more than usual and try to squeeze their way through.

          I'm literally rolling at 53km/h and slowing down the red light, and people have to aggressively cross the double lines, floor it over the speed limit, cut infront of me, only to slam on the brakes and wait the exact same time for the red light.

          yeah I mean following too close is obviously very bad driving. even I know the 3 second rule. and the people that I get in a car with always follow it or at least close to it. it just makes for much smoother traffic, because there is enough space for someone to change lanes and fit in front without the driver having to brake (the main cause of traffic jams apparently according to a video I watched). and when going faster, because still 3 seconds there is even more space to safely slow down.

          I can always see those people who follow way to close are just heaps more likely to have a accident. maybe not a terrible one but still an accident.

        • +1

          and people have to aggressively cross the double lines, floor it over the speed limit,

          this actually happened very similar to my friend recently. except on the far LEFT side.

          so you know where the very left lane curves to the left, so it's only for cars turning left, you can't use that lane to go straight. it's not an intersection but kind of like when you are getting off the high way.

          well my friend was following cars in front, which change into the far left lane, then my friend is about too, and at the same time the car in front changed lanes you see hear this small car revving it's engine and going into the left lane behind. it was trying to overtake the cars in front of it (my friend and cars infront of us). my friend was like "idiot" and changed lanes even though the car was coming up fast from behind in the same lane (he knew it was safe, because cars can stop quicker then they can go). the car then quickly caught up, and by this time my friend was turning into the bend.

          the small car behind realises they don't want to go left, so they make a lot of noise again and switch back to the lane they were in the beginning behind all the same cars. some drivers seem to achieve a lot of speed and danger of accident when they could have drived completely normal and it would be the same result. 😂

        • I swear if there was comission to be made by reporting and providing evidence for traffic infringements… Australia will be the first in the world to the free of traffic violations.

          Because we're a nation of eunuchs and dibber dobbers, right?

        • -3

          Dob them all in !!! It's the first step in becoming a police state - citizens dobbing on citizens …

          Make sure to record their hair and eye colour, you know that is the next step to dob them in on :P

  • +1

    Post it here.

  • +1

    131444 can send you a media upload link

  • +1

    upload it to tiktok

    • social justice!

      • SJW mate!!!

  • +1

    I've thought about this as well but I was worried about the repercussions. The worst one I saw was 3x Audi's racing through 70km/hr traffic at 130km/hr, they got stuck at a red light as it also had a speed camera on it lol.

    • +1

      How could you judge they were doing 130?

      • +1

        I wasn't there but as they were faster than 70 and making engine roaring noises then at least 150 is the accepted assessment.

        Don't lough, I recall some complaining about speeding cars when in reality were just (engine) noisy ones disturbing sleepy suburbia …

      • I was already going at 70km/hr and they looked like they were travelling through us at 60km/hr as if we were stationary. I could be wrong, maybe they were doing 120km/hr or 140km/hr instead.

  • +1

    Yes these drivers can be prosecuted, but (and this is where alot of ppl say no) you need to provide a written statement of what occurred and be willing to go to court if need be , why well Police didnt witness it , now people say " Cant you just go around n rev em up , give em a warning ? ) Well without that statement the Police have no evidence, and people just tell em to piss off, imagine if the Police rocked up at your place and started accusing you without any evidence? When you tell them you have a witness statement and they are willing to go to court, they usually crumple and the excuses come. Not necessary but being able to identify the driver is very helpful, and of course the registration. Dashcams or phone videos is exceptional

    Without that statement and the witness willing to go to court (90% never have to) its a complete waste of time for the Police. And most people when told this say something like (waste of time you cops need to do your job, what do i pay my taxes for etc etc, but normally with much more profanity) and refuse to commit to either.

    With both of the above they will be investigated and if evidence is available prosecuted, warnings are not what Police normally do, compiling a case file can be time consuming just for a warning,.

  • +1

    I feel the nuisance, which why lately our street is getting mobile camera park on our street.

  • +1

    In NSW traffic lights are managed by Transport for NSW, so report the issue to them and if they don’t do anything write to your state minister requesting action. Transport can install software to see how many people are running the red light and install a camera if there is an issue.

    For the other issue if it’s a local road then write to Council, if it’s a state road not much you can do about traffic calming measures.

    Unlikely the police will do much unless they have the rego.

    I have had a road rage experience before, went to the local police station and they called the driver on the spot to issue a caution and took a statement from me. If they get enough complaints they will investigate.

  • +1

    The correct answer is you submit it to the NSW Police Community Portal:
    https://portal.police.nsw.gov.au

    It'll create a case and someone will come back to you requesting the footage if it sounds like they can take it further.

    I've recently done this when I needed to report a crime.

  • +1

    When you submit it, you'll give details, if the driver pleads not guilty, you'll be issued a court ordered subpoena to give evidence - once issued you're required to go, or a warrant may be issued for your arrest.

    The maximum a court will pay for your time: $206 flat, you waste up to 8-hours and it can get adjourned for any reason, sometimes up to 6 times requiring your attendance for each as you're the witness.

    Moral of the story, be careful what you wish for… don't be a Karen.

  • +1

    My experience from some years ago is thwt they just dont care and their excuse is that theyd have to prove the material wasnt manipulated, which i suppose would be even harder these days.

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  • A Ute passed me over a traffic island, when I’d stopped to let a young woman pushing a pram, cross the road. The imbecile ALMOST got the pram. I took front and rear footage to the police and the cop didn’t seem interested,

    • +1

      Was this at an official pedestrian crossing or you just stopped randomly?

      • -1

        Traffic island are there for pedestrians to cross over. So in a way it's a dedicated pedestrian crossing. Sometimes they have Zebra Crossing lines sometimes they don't. The ute probably didn't give a flying (profanity) about the situation.

        • +2

          So in a way it's a dedicated pedestrian crossing.

          That's not how it works. It's either a pedestrian crossing or it isn't.

        • +2

          Traffic islands exist to calm and direct traffic though can be used as a pedestrian refuge but they are most certainly not a pedestrian crossing. Depending on where the above happened it's possible that they were breaking the law by stopping and obstructing traffic and the pedestrian may have been jaywalking. Doesn't mean the ute was in the right either.

    • What was in the pram?

  • Post it here :D

  • Dashcamowners Australia. HIs last posting effort was ridiculous. People self incriminating all the way through it. Warned the admin he might get subpoenas from coppers.

  • hmm dobbing on your neighbours, where did I see this before in history..

  • -1

    Isn't there literally some portal you can report to and get rewarded part of their fine? Swear this used to be a thing

    • some portal you can report to and get rewarded part of their fine

      Sounds Orwellian.

  • -3

    Por****, just make sure you are 18

  • -3

    How often really is the so-called "regular occurrence" of this happening?
    And even if it happens like once every hour, what's the likelihood of those vehicles running over a person crossing the road?
    You know that those drivers can see whether or not there are people about to cross the road right?
    If you think it really is possible and want to be a vigilante to prove your point, why not try to cross that intersection forth and back while pushing a supermarket trolley as the sacrificial object… Make sure you have it recorded as well.

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