I work at a large company and there was a recent restructure which resulted in me being harassed out.
Now this is the dilemma…I had a really good relationship with my manager and I was performing so I know the decision came from above 100%.
I’ve got lots of evidence of the harassment but I know my managers job was on the line if these acts of harassment were not done.
Am I stupid for caring about my manager and not taking further action about it?
I hope admin doesn’t see this comment but yes I had to make a ghost account, I’m a long time Oz bargainer that can be identified by my company.
OP probably use VPN for this account or vice versa.
Ozb can't detect VPN created account as dupe yet.
I'd suggest you call Fair Work.
https://www.fairwork.gov.au/about-us/contact-us
It never fails to amaze me when a genuinely helpful response like this attracts a neg.
Maybe just once could the individual who felt the need to neg it leave a comment on exactly why they thought this post deserved it?
I didn't neg but I didn't judge it as a helpful comment. Anecdotally, I have heard that Fair Work are next to useless in matters like this unless you have a protected characterstic and/or you've got something that amounts to a written confession.
Worth a try, maybe. But I wouldn't bet of them being very useful.
So if you call them and whinge, but then don't bother finding an email or any other evidence and just waste their time so there's no way they can help you… they won't help you?
What a bunch of useless mongrels they are then 🤣
@ItsMeAgro: Have you ever actually called fair work? I have, and the reality is they are closer to tenpercent's description than yours.
I'd still recommend anyone getting screwed talks to them, but much like most agencies and regulators, they are mostly harmless against the big'uns.
@ItsMeAgro: No. That's not what I said. I basically said they only help if you qualify for the diversity olympics or you have a confession so they don't have to do anything arduous like thinking.
Based on your extensive post/comment history, my advise would be to hang around and be a stick in the mud until they offer redundancy.
This. And gather and record all the necessary evidence for any later claims against them.
Lisa, if you don't like your job, you don't strike. You just go in every day and do it really half-assed. That's the American way.
so long dental plan
Dental plan
Lisa needs braces.
Am I stupid for caring about my manager and not taking further action about it?
When you can't afford to pay your rent next month, is your manager going to pay it for you?
I am not sure what "harassed out" means, but if you're still employed, don't voluntarily leave until you have another job to go to.
If that horse has already bolted, best you run fast and catch up to that nag quick smart.
That’s true. My high empathy gets in the way of my decision making.
I'm feeling harassed by the OP creating a burner account, dumping a story and vanishing.
I forgot my password to be honest and my password for my ghost email lol
That's it! You're out!
You have 21 days to lodge a claim for unfair dismissal
Thank you
Is your manager Sam Altman?
instantly harassed out
How? Pls provide a bit of detail.
Did they do it on Thurs and you missed out on the Easter public holidays?
Did they pay you redundancy?
What exactly do you call harrassment? if you were actua.ly performing and useful that seems wierd. But regardless having any loyalty for a manager if they are genuinely harrassing you regardless of why is moronic.
Acts of harassment that gave me a mental break down
Such as?
Harassment goes both ways.
Don't think it's a one way street. Dial up the cc culture and become the hall monitor that calls every process violation out.
Cc their bosses.
Time everyones breaks. Toilet counts. Arrival and leave times.
Call out when anything is not done on time, wrong or not to a high standard.
Photo people on their phones
Take their car spots.
Throw lunches in the fridges in the bin
Unplug computer cables randomly
Take out chair wheels
Stare at your enemies from a distance till they look up at you. Hold the gaze for 10 more seconds then move on.
Sad
Karen please explain what harassment is and if it is documented then make a formal complaint to HR.
Plot twist: OP is HR manager
Where's the mandated FFS?
I've been told to find new material. FFS as if I'm doing that.
Human Rubber turkey? HR only know how to follow the process as they have documented…Never had HR help in any way shape or form, apart from organizing the odd drinks where you can only have 1 or 2 (or one they go more…)
make a formal complaint to HR.
lol
HR works in the best interests of the company, not the employee
Unless you're in an Indian dominant workplace where they bring in their whole caste system in and push those they consider below them out.
Unfortunately caste based discrimination is a growing issue.
A few interesting reads that skim the surface of the larger problem.
https://www.reddit.com/r/aussie/s/6nwEa6Ar0B
https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/reports-and-pubs/PDFs/multicu…
https://www.dca.org.au/news/blog/caste-challenge-equality-di…
I have observed this in several workplaces in my community. The local Woolies is the most obvious. Previously (3 years ago) it had a very multicultural mix of staff, now it's 90% from a particular background and the remaining 10% are just collecting the trolleys.
indians who still want to follow a cast system while in australia should remain in india
indians who still want to follow a cast system while in australia should remain in india
Your user name made me think of the typical Rogan Josh of Kashmir cuisine.
I have experienced this before, it’s very true. This time it wasn’t the case.
Pretty much the same as any non white person working in a white majority workplace.
Not sure of caste systems but favoritism/racism does exist more or less at every workplace. I've experienced it firsthand quite a few times and it wasn't just about southeast Asians or Asians in general, Aussies were part of it too.
Correct. Discrimination is everywhere. I have first hand experience when I worked for a Hong Kong/Singapore telecommunications company getting bought out by Telstra….
Nothing in his post remotely suggests that's what's happening in his case and it's quite a derailment, but nevertheless those were an interesting read. Wow.
It's not a derailment when it's in reply to this comment and very much relevant to that comment. I wasn't replying to the main post.
This wouldn't happen in Australia, diversity is our strength, and everyone is equal.
@brendanm: Nah, I think this one's on you. I don't think it's clear that you were being sarcastic. It's way too subtle and it's believable that someone would have this belief.
@bluemyself: As a community we should be kind and charitable with one another - as such, our default humanitarian position should be to assume others using phrases like "diversity is our strength" are being sarcastic.
@ssfps: I'm sorry, I don't understand. If we should be kind and charitable, wouldn't we assume that "diversity is our strength" is sincere?
@bluemyself: Nope, it isn't subtle at all, especially in the context of replying to clears comment. Perhaps it's just a test to see on which side of the 100iq point people lie.
@brendanm: The reason why I think it's too subtle is I can imagine people sincerely having this belief. So in a way, are you implicitly saying that the general population understands that we are not equal?
The reason why I think it's too subtle is I can imagine people sincerely having this belief.
I agree. This is ozbargain forums after all. There's a vociferous gaggle of aging white boomers and inner city types who would say the exact same thing only with no hint of sarcasm intended whatsoever.
@tenpercent: Ironically the same person said that you only get let go due to underperformance. Pick a lane - are the big bad immigrants out to get you or are you just underperforming?
@Autonomic: My post was directed at OP, nothing to do with immigrants. That was bought up by someone else at a later point.
@brendanm: So what is it - big bad immigrants are gonna push you out or the only reason you get let go is due to underperformance?
@brendanm: Lol, so left wing people are the ones saying discrimination doesn't exist? That's some cope right there
@brendanm: You replied to a comment talking about caste based discrimination saying
This wouldn't happen in Australia
What did you mean by "this", if not caste based discrimination?
@Autonomic: Correct. However, if you read the thread in chronological order (do you know what that is?), you will see that my original post in this thread was purely about performance, and had nothing whatsoever to do with discrimination.
Someone else made a comment about the caste system, and I responded to that. They are two seperate comments, and not linked, as they are responding to two different people. I know I know, thinking can be hard, but please do try.
@brendanm: One again impossible for you to answer questions.
Which comment are you replying to then? Your reply is directly under the caste based discrimination comment. Maybe you don't understand how ozbargain works (common boomer issue).
What did you mean by "this", if not caste based discrimination?
@Autonomic: What are you even talking about now? You originally seemed upset that I used the words "performance" and "discrimination" someone, anywhere in the same thread.
Now you just seem upset I used to someone who used the word "discrimination"?
Please spell out exactly what it is that has your panties in a knot. I'll try my best to make a couple of random.commebta that may help:
OP has probably been managed out for poor performance.
The caste system is inherently extremely discriminatory.
These two things may or may not have anything to do with each other.
@brendanm: It's ok dude. Reading and shortly term memory is difficult for Trump (Epstein) stans.
I've laid everything out and all you have to do is read it again a few times to understand it.
@Autonomic: What is a "Stan"?
I've laid everything out and all you have to do is read it again a few times to understand it.
If you can't articulate your.point, perhaps ask your carer to help you.
@tenpercent: Look at his first comment in this thread and try to square it with what he's saying now.
@Autonomic: I'm unable to respond to "cope"? There is nothing to respond to. Read the thread in chronological order then come back here.
The reason why I think it's too subtle is I can imagine people sincerely having this belief.
Even if this were the case, the context of responding to clears comment should make it, well, clear.
So in a way, are you implicitly saying that the general population understands that we are not equal?
Everyone knows we are not equal. If I run over a child riding their bike while I'm driving, do you think the police would give me a DUI test? If you embezzled billions of dollars would you be in jail?
Even if this were the case, the context of responding to clears comment should make it, well, clear.
Maybe for some people. But not all. I'm annoyingly sarcastic and I wasn't fully sure. Without knowing you, you just seemed like you were making an honest statement. For it to be sarcastic, I feel like you need to push it a bit further. What you're saying, again, can be interpreted as an honest statement.
Everyone knows we are not equal.
Disagree. If I find a comment on the internet by someone that seems to be Australian that can be interpreted as them thinking we're equal, how would you respond to that?
If I run over a child riding their bike while I'm driving, do you think the police would give me a DUI test? If you embezzled billions of dollars would you be in jail?
I'm not sure where you're going with this.
Disagree. If I find a comment on the internet by someone that seems to be Australian that can be interpreted as them thinking we're equal, how would you respond to that?
I would assume they were being sarcastic, or were delusional, depending on the context.
I'm not sure where you're going with this.
It's two examples of many of one Australian not being equal to others.
I would assume they were being sarcastic, or were delusional, depending on the context.
So they're delusional in thinking that we are equal? So before when you said "Everyone knows we are not equal", you're understanding that's incorrect now?
It's two examples of many of one Australian not being equal to others.
I'm not arguing that people aren't treated fairly. I'm arguing that your initial comment is too subtle to be sarcastic because I think there's a meaningful chunk of people who actually have that opinion.
So they're delusional in thinking that we are equal? So before when you said "Everyone knows we are not equal", you're understanding that's incorrect now?
You may want to reread that.
I'm not arguing that people aren't treated fairly. I'm arguing that your initial comment is too subtle to be sarcastic because I think there's a meaningful chunk of people who actually have that opinion.
You asked the question, I answered it. Rich people get different rules. Famous people get different rules. Politicians get different rules. As stated by clear above, different races get different rules. Anyone who doesn't see this daily has their heads firmly in the sand.
You may want to reread that.
No, I think I'm good.
I'm gonna stop here. I don't think you've got a good argument. Furthermore, there are at least 3 people here commenting that you are incorrect, not to mention the vote count suggesting that you are wrong. I'm happy to hear your argument, though.
not to mention the vote count suggesting that you are wrong.
The vote count is likely confused because it wasn't clear if they were serious or being sarcastic. Some people might have negged on the assumption they were being sarcastic. Others might have negged on the assumption they were serious.
I gave an upvote on the assumption it was sarcasm.
@bluemyself: I honestly don't care. If people want to take it as sarcastic, they can. If people want to think I'm serious, they can. I could not care less that 3 people agree with you. If you do not like it, feel free to not read it 👍
@brendanm: My argument isn't about what we want or think. I don't care either. Again, you said:
If people can't figure out something that obvious, that's on them.
My argument is that, no, it's not obvious. And no, it's not on them. Prove me wrong.
@bluemyself: I also don't care to prove you wrong. Take it whatever way you like. Not sure why people struggle with context so much, we learn about it in primary school.
Edit - sorry, I just saw your location and realised why you couldn't fathom that it would be sarcasm. My apologies, I'll put a disclaimer from now on.
I also don't care to prove you wrong. Take it whatever way you like. Not sure why people struggle with context so much, we learn about it in primary school.
Ok. So where we are at is you've made a statement which you you're unable to back up. You also can't admit that you could be wrong. And to end it, you're placing the blame on the other person.
Edit - sorry, I just saw your location and realised why you couldn't fathom that it would be sarcasm. My apologies, I'll put a disclaimer from now on.
Cool. Another distraction rather than addressing the argument.
It's two examples of many of one Australian not being equal to others.
I am lousy with subtle and in my black and white literal world, even I understood your intended sarcasm.
I think the other dude is just doubling down at this point.
Anyhoo, what I was really intending to write was that it is equally illegal to "sleep under a bridge" whether you are rich or poor.
@Muppet Detector: So the thread got a bit long, but my original argument was aimed at this: "If people can't figure out something that obvious, that's on them."
My argument was that I don't think it's absolutely clear that it is sarcasm. Not that it's not sarcasm. Meaning there is a chance that someone may interpret "diversity is our strength, and everyone is equal" as being an honest (non sarcastic) opinion. My interest in this isn't about equality but more about communication.
So if you agree with brendanm, my curiosity wants to know why.
This wouldn't happen in Australia, diversity is our strength, and everyone is equal.
To quote George Orwell "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others".
And pigs have been fed and are ready to fly away …
What’s your non ghost account?