BYD has released the cheapest PHEV wagon and cheapest wagon in Australia.
100km WLTP range. 670L boot space, much larger than most SUVs. Good option when the handling of a wagon is preferred over higher SUVs.
BYD Seal 6 Touring Premium $39,990 + On Road Costs @ BYD
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How is this a Bargain? Or what is the deal in here?
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@Slo20: Its not racist when the poster is literally referring to the Chinese Communist Party.
That said Id prefer a BYD over a Nazi saluting Tesla anyday (though I wont be buying either)
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@JohnHowardsEyebrows: Instead of spewing propaganda that you watch daily with your microwave tray meal, try to do some independent research into anything you see. For starters, take a look at how Tibet life was like. An andocratic system led by the Dalai Lama and the Geluk school of Tibetan Buddhism.
The society was based on feudal-like land ownership, where the majority of Tibetans were agricultural laborers or herdsmen working for monastic estates and nobility. Exactly what it sounds like. slavery. Tell me that’s better than the Tibet today. Don’t go too deep in the Dalai rabbit hole either. It’s dark.- 10
@JohnHowardsEyebrows: I’m saying have some critical thinking. You jump right on a kid diddler telling you he says she says. I don’t see you crying about real war crimes throughout the 100+ years of western colonialism, Iraq, Vietnam, Libya, the criminals on trial today for Afghanistan. Can you even speak when the reason you’re here today is from the result of ethnic cleansing that is still happening to native Australians.You’re white knighting when you have no basis to stand on. There’s bigger issues in our own society than playing oppression Olympics
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@iwantaphone: You're all over the shop playing oppression olympics, somehow exempting yourself from aboriginal dispossession (if you live here and aren't indigenous, you own the history equally - skin colour doesn’t matter).
I can speak, because we live in a democracy…which, incidentally, is what you can't do in PRC. Which is what the criticism was in the first place.So, stop projecting your intellectual limitations (though you seem to have lots of fellow tankies backing you up).
The initial criticism was about the CCP, and somebody called the poster racist, because of your oppression olympics friends.- -1
@JohnHowardsEyebrows: Democracy doesn’t mean freedom of speech, JFC stop letting American propaganda do your thinking. North Korea and Russia hold elections too. Singapore, Thailand, India, Turkey and until a few weeks ago, Hungary are all democracies that have restrictions on speech. Hell people in Queensland go to prison for saying “from the river to the sea”…
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@JohnHowardsEyebrows: “Real democracy” sounding like a no true Scotsman fallacy argument there champ.
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@whuts: Liberal democracy = real democracy. Putin's Russia, the 'Democratic' People's Republic of North Korea, the one party PRC - they aren't true democracies, and anyone with a brain knows that.
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@iwantaphone: Wait a minute!
Hold your horses everyone
I did my independent research as suggested………
Click on " Build & Price"
Select any colour other than boring white (+$600)
Add dashcam (+$1800)
Dont add anything else as this is basic pricing
Actual Drive away price is $46,139
And I actually found the cheapest PHEV wagon in Australia and its NOT THIS DEAL!…
Chery Tiggo 7 Urban Super Hybrid PHEV from only $34,990 (drive away)
Arguably the cheapest PHEV wagon on the Aussie market today
Beats this BYD Seal 6 by $10,000- 10
@Dr Phil: BYD seal touring is the premium model so you should at least compare with Chery Tiggo 7 Urban Super Hybrid Ultimate, which is from $38990 drive away
besides, dashcam and colour are optionals, Tiggo 7 has no dashcam and also needs $600 for other colour choices
Arguably the cheapest PHEV wagon on the Aussie market today
Chery Tiggo 7 Urban Super Hybrid Ultimate market itself as a medium size SUV though https://cherymotor.com.au/models/tiggo-7-super-hybrid
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@iwantaphone: Estimates suggest that over 1.2 million Tibetans died due to Chinese policies between 1950 and 1980.
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@Tiggrrrrr: It's absolutely ridiculous. You say that "estimates suggest over 1.2 million Tibetans died due to Chinese policies between 1950 and 1980," as if the CCP killed off the entire Tibetan population. Before the liberation, the total population of Tibet was only 1 million, and the average life expectancy at that time was only 35 years. That was caused by Tibet's serfdom system. China liberated Tibet and abolished serfdom, yet you still insist on smearing China.
Western smears against China have never ceased for a moment. In 1949, the population of Tibet was only 1 million, and including the Tibetan population in the Qinghai region, the total was only 1.4 million. Today, the Tibetan population is approximately 7 million—a fivefold increase. During the same period, China's total population grew from 540 million to 1.4 billion, which is only a 2.6-fold increase.
It is the same with Xinjiang. Western claims the CCP is committing genocide in Xinjiang, yet the Uyghur population grew from around 3 million in 1949 to 11.6 million in 2020—a 3.8-fold increase. Do you realize that China's One-Child Policy only applied to the Han ethnicity, while minorities were allowed to have two or more children? Do you know that China has preferential policies to assist ethnic minorities in education and employment?
Facts speak louder than words. It's easy to say who is brainwashed. You can access any information you want today and China is very open now. You can stay for 30 days without a visa. You are free to visit Tibet and Xinjiang to see the "genocide" for yourself.- -1
@goocxx: According to the Seventh Census of 2020, there were 7,060,700 Tibetans living within China.
Of the resident population of the Tibet Autonomous Region, 3,137,900 were Tibetans.
The Tibetan population within the Tibet Autonomous Region was approximately 1.23 million in 1959. The census indicated 2.77 million ethnic Tibetans were counted in all of China in 1954.
3.14/1.23 = 2.55
7.06/2.77 = 2.55- -1
@Tiggrrrrr: Further. World population was 3 billion in 1959 rising to 8.3 Million today.
8.3/3 = 2.77
So is equating the population increase of Tibetans in this time frame to the influence of the CCP strictly accurate?
Let us also take a step back. The population of Tibet in 1952 was 1.15 million. Climbing to 1.23 in 1959. Compare this to the global population curve, and you will see that this growth rate was similar. There is then a slope change (increase) after 1961.
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@Tiggrrrrr: First, the point is not to attribute Tibetan population growth to the CCP. The question is what estimates suggest CCP policies caused 1.2 million Tibetan deaths? Since you want to be rigorous, you should also examine the evidence behind the claims supporting your own position.
Second, comparing Tibetan population growth to global population growth may look similar on a graph, but the underlying logic is completely different. You know very well that Tibet’s medical conditions and natural environment in the 1950s were extremely harsh. In fact, conditions across China were poor at the time, and Tibet was even worse. Medical resources were severely lacking, infant mortality was extremely high, and life expectancy was very low.
You also pointed out that population growth accelerated after 1960. That is precisely what we would expect from improvements in healthcare and public sanitation systems. You would agree that these developments were attributable to the CCP, wouldn’t you?
China has historically pursued ethnic integration. Genocide and “survival of the fittest” politics are more characteristic of Western “civilization,” and even today Western systems still follow the logic of the strong dominating the weak.
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@goocxx: "Before the liberation, the total population of Tibet was only 1 million, and the average life expectancy at that time was only 35 years. That was caused by Tibet's serfdom system."
Here is where you are attributing growth to CCP instead of the GLOBAL change in medical technology.
"Today, the Tibetan population is approximately 7 million—a fivefold increase."
Here is where you eroneously claim a fivefold increase when it was half that.
And estimates have claimed what I said. Maybe it's incorrect, but trying to prove it is incorrect by making up your own figures is not really the way to go about it.
Maybe just say "Those are grossly overinflated estimates made by the former Tibetan government and other human rights organisations"
My point was that anyone can quote useless statistics from the internet.
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@Tiggrrrrr: Alright, so my figures were incorrect, but yours are. And somehow, using your own figures, you managed to prove your own claim is completely rediculous.
So where exactly did these totally "estimates" come from? The internet… or just your imagination? 😏
So when making the accusation, estimates or "useless statistics from the internet" claims are fine. But when defending against it, suddenly we need academic-level standards?😏- 0
@goocxx: https://hir.harvard.edu/chinaintibet/
https://www.cecc.gov/sites/evo-subsites/cecc.house.gov/files…
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1984/09/17/Exiled-Tibetans-say-…
https://kennedyhumanrights.org/lesson/china-tibet-and-a-mess…
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/oct/24/theobserver.uknew…
https://thetibetpost.com/outlook/commentary/china-is-guilty-…
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@goocxx: I didn't use "my" figures to disprove your fivefold growth claim. I used the figures from the Chinese government.
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@Tiggrrrrr: Yeah, so do these statistics actually support your original accusation, or do they completely prove that your disgusting accusation was total nonsense? You can’t even face that reality - you just opened your mouth and started making things up.
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@goocxx: https://hir.harvard.edu/chinaintibet/
https://www.cecc.gov/sites/evo-subsites/cecc.house.gov/files…
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1984/09/17/Exiled-Tibetans-say-…
https://kennedyhumanrights.org/lesson/china-tibet-and-a-mess…
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/oct/24/theobserver.uknew…
https://thetibetpost.com/outlook/commentary/china-is-guilty-…
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@Tiggrrrrr: Great, at least you helped clarify where this figure came from: a UPI report from 1984, citing a publication by the "Tibetan government in exile" . So basically, if I accuse you of killing people, then you’re automatically a killer. And so many media outlets keep repeating this number without even verifying its source - because verification was never the point. They’re political tools. But what are you?
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@goocxx: "Today, the Tibetan population is approximately 7 million—a fivefold increase"
Who is the political tool?
https://worldwithoutgenocide.org/genocides-and-conflicts/chi…
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@Tiggrrrrr: Come on, read this carefully:
“The statistics tell a gruesome story … giving a final tally of 1,207,387 for the number of Tibetans who have died of unnatural causes during the years of Chinese occupation,” said News Tibet, a magazine published by the New York office of Tibet’s government in exile.
First, your number comes from a Tibetan government in exile publication, not an official census, not an international organization. Weren’t you the one pretending to be "rigorous"?
Second, the figure is absurdly precise: 1,207,387. Under the statistical conditions of that era, how exactly did they calculate deaths down to the last digit? Especially a government in exile that wasn’t even in Tibet?
Third, the original text only says "unnatural deaths". Somehow, in your mouth, it magically turns into "genocide"? Seems you lack basic education.
Go play your little fantasy games somewhere else. I’m not interested in arguing with idiots.- -1
@goocxx: Show me where I have called anything a genocide.
The only one who mentioned it being a genocide was you.
So somehow in your brain you were thinking genocide. Why is that?Seems it is you who lacks a basic education in reading.
You can apologise for your false accusation any time you like.
https://www.state.gov/reports/2021-report-on-international-r…
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@Tiggrrrrr: The accusation was made by you. Every link you cited keeps repeating "genocide", so how is it suddenly not your claim anymore?
I’ve already debunked your accusation - it simply doesn’t hold up.
Alright, I apologise. I shouldn’t have debated with a stupid pig like you in the first place. Goodbye, idiot.
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@goocxx: Lol.
So because you can't show where I have once called it a genocide you resort first to assumption, then fabrication, and then to insults? Good stuff.
As I said, YOU mentioned Genocide, i.e. You are free to visit Tibet and Xinjiang to see the "genocide" for yourself.
That was before I linked to any articles / references.So I'm sorry that firstly you fabricated statistics, then when called out, doubled down with your false accusations, which also don't stand up, and now you are trying to back pedal and change timelines of events.
Frankly, your demeanour and your need to resort to personal attacks tells me all I need to know about you and your mental state.
https://www.uscirf.gov/sites/default/files/2025-09/2025%20Fa…
Please try not to get yourself so worked up, it's bad for your mental health.
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@sydflyer: Actually, the only reason I wouldn't buy a Chinese car is that I'm Chinese.
That aside, the German government at that time is no longer in power, so not sure how your analogy works?
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@JohnHowardsEyebrows: U know a lot about tibet! Aye! Where u learn that from? Learn some history please!
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CCP over western imperial genociding any day of the week.
So when do you leave? Or are you one of those kids who tells their parents how much they hate them but still refuses to leave home?
So brave…- -3
@1st-Amendment: Leave where bro
So if i oppose you i have to leave the country?
How about i kick you out instead?- 6
Leave where bro
If you love CCP so much why not go to the place you love so much? Wouldn't that make sense than complaining about being here?
So if i oppose you i have to leave the country?
Nope. You said you prefer CCP, so I'm just wondering why you don't go to the place you prefer? I prefer Australia so I moved here. It's an easy concept to understand
How about i kick you out instead?
But I prefer here. That's why I'm here. If you prefer elsewhere, no-one is stopping you from going there.
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Which other vehicle with comparable specs is cheaper? If you can't name one, this is a bargain :-)
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@Trishool: RRP can definitely be a bargain if every alternative is ten grand more.
Happens often with PC parts during shortages, and it's even happened with cars since COVID.
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@Trishool: So you prefer a fake RRP crossed out with the actual price quoted? Will that make it a bargain?
As someone currently in the market for a new car, i really appreciate this post as i would not have known about it otherwise- 17
@Save 50 Cent: If you are genuinely in the market for a new car but you are only aware of cars for sale by looking at OzBargain, you are doing it wrong. Have you thought about how many other new models you would have no idea about, if this is genuinely the approach you are taking to shopping for a new car??
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@djmm: Bargain isn't synonym for sale. A bargain is something that represents excellent comparative value.
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@team teri: Yes, compared to other prices (& Apple car ;)
Are overinflated 10% dicounts of iPhone/et a,l bargain?- -1
Exactly
Yet another highly inflated range/fuel consumption claim from BYD.Real world experience is far less!
But yes, the price is attractive
BUT…Definitely Not the cheapest PHEV wagon in Australia by a long shotSo definitely not a bargain price!
Its BYD every day pricing and $10,000 MORE (Drive away) than the Tiggo 7 Super Hybrid PHEV !!!!
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At least it's not somebody announcing that Netflix is releasing a new TV show
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Is Disney ok?
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It provided you with free moral outrage.
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You have 0 posts in 15 years with the audacity to ask "how is this a bloody deal" to an OP with 1303 in 4 years…
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Fewer posts doesn't mean that he's wrong.
…. but he still is.
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So you need to post significant amount in order to evaluate a deal?
And the one who posts a lot is always in the right?Dumb mentality, obviously 🤡
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@User531437: Not posting anything then bitching about whether something is a bargain or not is worthy of a backhander.
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@Big L: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/wiki/help:about
Read this first and then tell me whether it says anything about posting enough before voting. You're not the founder, you dont get to make the rules.
Go make yr own forum if you have such urge for controlling people. And yah, call it dumb mentality 🤡
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@Big L: Take a look at the link and realize who's the fool yeah 🤡 nothing else to add to that?
P/s: thank you for checking in, other people in my life are fine. Bit worried about people around you tho, after suffering from your dumb mentality 🤡
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Read this first and then tell me whether it says anything about posting enough before voting.
Where does it say RRP aren't deals? 😂 You're also the one resorting to personal insults, so if anyone's in violation of the rules… 🫵🏻🤡
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Oz Adware. Launch price is not necessarily a bargain.
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Easy to fix. Inflate first then make it "new lower price". A good deal?
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fsd?
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I've never understood why this has become such an issue that people have with EV's (or PHEV's etc).
Over the last couple of decades as cars have become bigger and heavier, with many petrol and diesel "cars" exceeding 2t, there was hardly any noise about their weight with regards to tyre degradation.
Yet, once EV's became readily available and they weighed more than their similarly sized petrol cousins (yet still less than so many larger and common-place cars), suddenly weight and tyre wear was an issue for people.For what it's worth, I have an EV weighing a bit over 2t. I got 50k out of the stock tyres it came with (rotated at 20k, replaced at 50k), the next pair was rotated at 40k - and I was looking forward to another 20-30k for the whole set until a sidewall puncture forced a replacement.
Not exactly RIP tyres?- 51
I am still on stock tyres for my 2024 Seal at 30,000km. Either you got crap tyres or you drive super aggressive.
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@Aureus: My Seal Premium tyres lasted 17,000km. We don't drive super aggressive, Mrs does most of the driving. We are in Sydney though and most driving is on City roads, hardly any on motorways. Sitting on a motorway chewing up km's does not put much stress on tyres. City driving moving a 2.2t vehicle with a lot torque then slowing it down does put stress on the tyres. Saying that the new ones I put on are so much better than the original Conti's. These are not EV tyres and so far so good (Mitchelin Pilot Sport 5). Better grip in the wet and have done 10,000kms and seem to be wearing much better.
I'm also more mindful of keeping the tyre pressures up.
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@valco: Strange that it wore out so fast, I would be disappointed replacing tyres after only 17000km. Glad your replacement tyres are working better for you.
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@Aureus: tbh, most cars I've had only last 2 years for tyres. Forester before this one lasted 2 years, I've just replaced my tyres on my Santa Fe which are on their 3rd set and done 64,000km. So its nothing new for me but these were the quickest to go. I did go through 4 brake pads on the IX35 in 20,000kms but they were notorious for coming with soft pads. My next set (after-market) went over 40,000kms and were still going strong when I sold the car.
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@valco: This really suggests it is how you drive. tyres should not be wearing out that fast unless you are heavy on the accelerator/brake and cornering.
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tbh, most cars I've had only last 2 years for tyres.
I did go through 4 brake pads on the IX35 in 20,000kms
@valco there's no way to say this politely - your driving style is bad. Once you learn to anticipate what everyone else is about to do, you'll find you can get around with significantly less tyre and brake wear.
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You are just super aggressive with your driving.
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I'm not sure what was said in the original comment but if anything EVs have driven more R and D for tyres. From what I've been told by a Bridgestone exec, EVs pose a challenge because of reduced cabin/engine noise.
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It was something like "Car weighs 2.2t, RIP tyres".
Followed up with a note that his own tyres in a Seal lasted 16k.Regarding the noise issue - it's definitely a thing when there is much less noise from the engine as well as generally less vibration etc.
You do notice other noises (wind, tyre etc) a lot more than normal. After a while you think you are in a noisy car when a new sound pops up - only because it's possibly been a while since you compared it to an actually noisy car :-)- 4
The same people would get in a RWD v8, drive the **** out of it experiencing performance for the first time, then have a whinge the tyres don't last.
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Our Atto3's stock tyres lasted over 70k before needing replacement. It's a non-issue.
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o its a plug in hybrid bullshit yeah not a REAL EV not cheap for that price. for a fuel based car.
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The right car for the right person. I agree, its ppl are just stupid when they go anti this and anti that. I drive an ICE, cause its right for me. I'd have no issue with an EV if it were the right choice for my situation.
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guy cant read a spec sheet anyway so the argument is specious
kerb weight is 1,800kg which is typical for a large full size wagon
2,2 ton is the max gross… ie. 5 fat bastards onboard + full load + fuel
this car doesnt deserve the backlash given it is very middle of the road
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Bro i was gonna say, how does one not understand what a max load rating ahahah
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Maybe if it was $39,990 drive away. Another $4500 in on road costs (Victoria) is taking the piss. At least the other Chinese manufacturers advertise their prices drive away…
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You put your post code in, it gives you final price for the state.
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Drive Away Price $43,576.52
nsw
its more than the competition tbh and its not that special
granted it isnt super ugly like the competition
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OzRRP strikes again!