Labor Budget Tax Questions: Prioritising Big Corporate Interests over Individual Taxpayers Who'll Now Pay More Tax?

Methinks the overall effect of this budget will be to squeeze individual taxpayers and families by increasing taxes on everyday Australians while protecting big corporate interests. Removing negative gearing, removing CGT exemption, clamping down on family trusts, not indexing personal income taxes to CPI unlike CGT tax (ie, tax bracket creep)

  1. No gas tax
    Comparatively, there is nominal taxing of big gas and resources as a percentage to their income, allowing billionaires like Gina Reinhardt (corporate donor to one nation) to get richer. In Norway the tax on it's oil and gas industry 75% yet here in Australia we're begging for 25% tax but Albo has assured his gas companies there'll be no gas tax.
    UAE and Qatar nationalised their resources and oil industry and their citizens pay near zero personal income taxes for their extensive social welfare.

  2. No national accountability body on politicians. Politicians have been shown to be allowed to promise one thing at election and do another once in power, depending on their prevailing corporate benefactors. Labor is allowed to renege on their election promises without legal consequences, for which they're voted in by the majority of us for. But this is not just Labor at fault as long as there's no legal accountability on politicians. What is the point of democracy and voting if our votes are meaningless and we only get to vote on inconsequential referendums such as the voice that doesn't affect their corporate donors?

Politicians working in their portfolio industries after leaving political office after they created favourable laws for industry interests. Countless Mining/resources ministers going on to work for corporate miners or becoming lobbyists. Ex PM Morrison as an example, after signing up Australia to the $369 billions AUKUS deal (which independent analysts have said we might get 1 sub for $369 billion paid compared to $2 billion for a French sub) quickly resigned from politics to take up a newly created cushy AUKUS job. Arguably legalised corruption without l any consequences while acrewing over Aussie taxpayers.

  1. New tax rules decreases national productivity
    Incidentally most new adverse tax changes are carefully designed to avoid impacting politicians, such as grandfathering of NG and CGT, pollies are exempt from div 293, most are on the old defined benefits pension schemes which defer taxes until they're retired at lowest tax bracket .

  2. Effect of this new budget is higher overall taxes on younger generation
    Effect of this new budget is higher overall taxes on younger generation (but ABC News heavily advertised the $250 tax refund) and increasing employment for the accountant/lawyers class and reducing Australian workforce productivity in a slap to the face of the Productivity Commission, as more individual taxpayers now need to devote more time to tax affairs instead of actual productive work. Net effect of Australia remaining the least diversified OECD economy relying on digging dirt up from the ground to sell.

Essentially Australia remains a extraction colony no different from pre-Federation days benefiting foreign or corporate interests as opposed to being an independent country looking after its own people. Obligatory poll and constructive comments welcomed.

Poll Options Sun, 02/08/2026 - 00:00

  • 160
    1. I agree with Labor's budget, and will vote for them.
  • 141
    2. I disagree with the budget changes.
  • 17
    2b.Grandfathering of CGT and NG rules will worsen the haves and haves nots.
  • 169
    3. We need a gas tax to fund services instead of relying on individuals, like Norway/Qatar.
  • 9
    4. We should simplify ATO tax laws with CPI-indexed fixed tax brackets.
  • 6
    5. We need a national politician accountabilty board.
  • 7
    6. Greens/independents are a viable political alternative.

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    1. I’m just here for the bargains
    • Haha fair, but more take-home pay equals more money for bargains though!

      • Labor arent offering more take home pay.
        Its all smoke and mirrors.
        When you get a pay rise you go into a higher tax bracket and end up paying more tax.
        Its called bracket creep.

        The Liberals stage 3 tax cuts did away with bracket creep which was true tax reform.

        But Labor changed the Liberals Stage 3 Tax reform back to bracket creep taxation claiming people were better off.
        What a load of hogwash!
        Well maybe for a year or two but then most tax payers are worse off.

        Futhermore the Liberals had a $1500 low and middle income tax offset/refund
        Labor took that away and now they are offering $250 instead.
        And this is the centre piece of theor budget?
        As every one is saying, it doesnt even buy a cup of coffee once a week.
        WOW what a great deal for tax payers.

        Just shows what a scam Labor is running with tax.
        Tax, tax and more tax under Labor.

        Its very true what they say about Labor Goverments

        They are always high spending high taxing governments.
        Tax payers of all sorts are always the big losers under Labor.
        And even those that werent tax payers find themselves paying tax under Labor.

        • really? my pay has gone up higher every labor goverment when EBAs have been negotiated and less when liberals have been on

          • @helldoodle: and your tax rate has gone up under both labor and liberal which over the past decade has almost certainly eaten all your EBA negotiated rises.

            • @gromit: @gromit as I am involved directly with EBA negotiations for the last 9 years I can say we get a worse deal under a coalition government, from experience and practice, idealy we wouldnt need a EBA as companies would pay us fairly to begin with

              • @helldoodle: That might well be the case on the EBA side, though Labor hurts you more with taxes than LNP does. On the whole though you lose from either side as bracket creep + CPI easily eats up anything you gain.

          • @helldoodle:

            my pay has gone up higher every labor goverment when EBAs have been negotiated and less when liberals have been on

            So has CPI.

            • @tenpercent: 2022 Scott Morrison 7.8% CPI my wage went up 2.1%

              which year did Labor have a CPI of 7.8%?

              • @helldoodle: I seem to recall that it was a triipartisan affair to screw over the economy and supply chains just because the median age of death with covid was higher than the overall life expectancy of the general population.

              • @helldoodle: Did Scotty sit at the table when your EBA was negotiated? Or was the 2.1% already cooked into the EBA agreed to a couple of years earlier?

                • @tenpercent: @tenpercent 2019 is when we signed the new EBA in july

                  • @helldoodle: Why did you sign it? Did Scotty force you to? Honestly I don't know why EBAs aren't written so that increases are explicitly linked to the consumer price index. Unions today are absolutely incompetent.

          • @helldoodle: Good for you but I can assure you that's not the situation for everyone, especially people like me who even know what an EBA is

            • @R4: You should unionise. Doesn't happen by itself

              • @Jackson: No thanks. I'm an engineering contractor and paid very well for what I do. No need for a union.

                • @R4: You can stop complaining then I guess? Be happy you get to contribute to the nation and are well rewarded for it

                  • @Jackson: No. I don't mind paying tax as we all benefit from what it provides but so much of it is wasted by our government - they employ far too many people, tie themselves up in endless red and green tap and waste far too much on vote buying social programs. There's no need to raise taxes (despite saying they wouldn't - and we now have a death tax!). They have a spending, not income problem but unfortunately, too many of our people believe in the socialst magic money tree.

                    • @R4: In every system I have ever seen there's inefficiencies, if someone wanted to be facetious they could just point to them all day. We are fortunate enough to live in one of the best economies in the world, as shown by standard of living and how resilient it is in crisis, among other things. Multiple Labor governments have defied recessions in times when we were predicted to have one which supports this (it's not just credit to Labor). I understand everyone wants to minimise their tax, and I am all for more tax on the wealthy and big business who definitely dont pay their share, and less on the workers who build this nation, but if you don't want to pay tax here then you don't want to pay it anywhere.

                      The enemy of inefficiency is often under investment. Taking money out of things without strategy is not a path to utopia. The world economy is unfortunately in the toilet right now and it's only getting worse due to the idiots in the US. There are still a lot of issues in society to deal with like housing affordability, taxation reform (where the govt is actually trying) and future energy security (where again the govt is trying). Further taxation is the simplest way for a govt to raise money, and doesn't involve privatisation which often is a very short term solution only

            • @R4: @R4 what job do you have that doesnt have a EBA

              • @helldoodle: I'm do electrical, control and instrumentation design, mainly in the mining and oil and gas sectors.

                I don't really know what an EBA is.

        • Bracket creep is a killer of aspiration

        • Just keep voting for pauline/gina then…

        • I could write a thesis on this and like minded individuals

        • Found the boomer.

          • @Amp2k: Debate him/her, not call him/her names.

            Pathetic.

            • @R4: 'Dont insult people'

              • Insults person
            • @R4: No point in debating someone who has clearly made up their mind and is 93 years old

    • Politics and bargains don't mix

    • Why are you in the finance forum then lol

  • I think the big question is will @jv visit the Dan Andrews bronze statue in Ballarat once completed.

    • I’ll be the first there to piss on it.

      • I imagine it splashing back on you - and then you'd blame Dan Andrews.

      • Or pour your colostomy bag out.

    • There was a great article in the paper the other day saying the statue is just some rage bait to distract the SADs. I think it will probably work.

      • I love the quote from Tony Shaw saying that….

        We could halve the states debt if we charge $1 for people to piss on it in an orderly fashion.

        • It either shows how much he knows about how much debt VIC is in or how bad at math he is.

          Also, ironically the libs introduced the whole statue thing to begin with, but never reached the days required to warrant one.

          • @whiskeyjack89: Wait there's actually one person dumb enough to think that was a statement to be taken seriously? Wow

            • @CaptainJack: Yeah thats how autism works a lot of the time.

              Usually it's only when people are exaggerating things though, i have no idea why his statement is funny though then. Because he said piss?

    • 😂😂

  • Essentially Australia remains a extraction colony

    The "economic rationalist" policies Keating gave rather than saving us from becoming a "banana republic" turned us into one. We now generate all the wealth we live off by selling huge amounts of raw materials cheap to other countries, even communist ones, that are better at capitalism than we are. We now produce virtually nothing. We add no value to the raw materials we have so much of.

    And we don't do any better with our foreign and military policy than we do with our economic policy. We just buy lots of really expensive US military equipment, then use it to fight its stupid pointless wars, no matter how many times it loses.

    • John Howard was the emperor during the mining boom and could've signed gas contracts that included reservations, mineral contracts that included taxes on profits, etc. H decided to do none of that. Further, he propped up the private healthcare industry (some 7 billion dollars of taxpayer money each year goes to bupa, medibank, and the like). He also sold 60% of commbank, all of Telstra, and over saw states selling their electricity and water. He made private school prestigious in name but heavily financed by the taxpayer while kneecapping public schools. Sold off heaps of reserves (including gold). Introduced GST, altered negative gearing to include old houses (HOW DO YOU DEPRECIATE AN OLD HOUSE WHICH HAS ALREADY DEPRECATED), change CGD to be 50% after 12months (that is far too short, could've had 25% GCD, as it were, from the beginning, and 50% after like 5 years and that would incentivise some holding of assets) which lead to groups of people rotating the same money between themselves while being able to buy more houses by using their other houses at collateral (I.e. have 5 people, rotate the same house, same renters, and same original money between the group, but keep increasing borrowing power and have renters pay for the mortgage). Trying to think of more off the top of my head…kneecapped superannuation both structurally and fiscally. Made unfair dismissal legal (which was later reversed by KRudd/Labor). Howard boy is the maker of the Big Australia policy. Can't think of anything else at the moment but the list goes on and on.

      People were sold lies back then, they were sold lies under the Abbott/Turnbull/Morrison, and they're being sold lies now with Dutton/Let/Taylor. The coalition (including One Nation) are not for Australia they are for the 1% and to make it look look they are for the battler they make a faux upper middle class to keep the 99% busy (here the top 20% feel like the top 1%, but they will never be the 1% - further they are puppets of the top 1% as the top 20% will devise the top 1%'s talking points without having to be told (and those talking points are "I HAVE THE GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO THIS WELFARE, AND YOU MAY NEVER TALK THIS AWAY. I WORKED SUPER HARD TO LEECH OFF THE POPULATION/WORKING CLASS")

      Rant over

      Wait no. Some gas contracts are expiring 2030. Now think which party would sign a contract favourable to Australia and which would sign a contract favourable to the international company.

      The answer is Labor. They are the only party to have ever had instated a reservation policy. They have dome it at a state level and federal level. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

      Further Labor is leading the world in getting multinational companies to pay their fair share of tax (I.e. no longer able to take cash to the caymens or Ireland, double I.e. getting rid of tax avoidance loopholes).

      • @Some Random Guy

        altered negative gearing to include old houses

        Sure on this, negative gearing as far as I am aware did not change under John Howard

        which lead to groups of people rotating the same money between themselves

        Any proof of this occurring, the agents fess and stamp duty would negate any gains on this. The depreciation would need to more then cover this cost.

        • sounds sarcastic but i am giving you props:

          tomfool is the evidence locker! both things you pointed out I am incorrect in! i appreciate the corrections!

          to be of use I will provide some actual ways people actually game the system (schemes that have been proven), courtesy of Gemini AI:
          Contrived Related-Party Property Developments (TA 2026/1)
          Illegal Phoenix Activity
          Holiday Home" Expense Inflation

          also, another fun fact, in 2017 second hand plants and equipment could no longer be used in the negative gearing calculations. which now begs the question of who the hell is negatively gearing 2nd hand house and how are they doing it (like currently, how does that make an fiscal sense (cash flow or on the books))

          • @Some Random Guy:

            2017 second hand plants

            My used lemon tree can no longer be negatively geared 😭

            who the hell is negatively gearing 2nd hand house and how are they doing it

            Doesn’t apply to commercial properties or company held assets. Company held asset exemption was to compensate for the lack of CGT discount

        • I wish I was better at formatting OzB text.

          On the first note, if I could go back and change my rant I would. Negative gearing, as we know it, occurred in 1936 under the Lyons government.

          To note courtesy of wikipedia: Lyon's was a Labor supporter most his life and was in government, state and federal, as a Labor member. He disagreed with Labor's approach to dealing with the great depression (he preferred then orthodox fiscal approaches) and sat as an independent and then led the UAP.

          Paul Keating and Bob Hawke removed negative gearing and made CGD im line with inflation. The abolishment of negative gearing was hugely unpopular (I dare say the landlord class paid for media to instill this hostility to the changes (but I'm not well verse enough to say that is fact)), and the negative gearing abolishment was reversed.

          John Howard then, in 1999, made the changes to CGD. Under modelling known since then, it was known that these changes would lead to exactly what we see today (extremely expensive housing, far out pacing wages), but John Howard held the line even after multiple warnings, only ever telling state and local government to enact report recommendations (about 70% of the recommendations were for local and state, 30% were for federal (I.e. he never did his fair share to try and help fix the problem he created)).

          Anyways, I stand corrected. John Howard did not change negative gearing.

          On the second note I will take that on notice and get back to you. I will note you don't need agent fees when you work in a group like that. You sign your own papers or get one agent for all to you which greatly reduces the costs. Stamp duty would definitely not negate the gains. But I won't say anything for certain and I'll have to get some examples to you. Cheers

          • @Some Random Guy:

            dare say the landlord class paid for media to instill this hostility to the changes (but I'm not well verse enough to say that is fact)

            More conspiracies. It's getting hot in the kitchen today.

            • @tenpercent: I would say it is another conspiracy theory. Your comment implies that I am telling people the truth about a conspiracy, but I cannot say it is true as it has yet to be proven (or I need to find evidence that supports my theory).

              Some thoughts I use to create my theory:
              Renters are more likely to be Labor supporters
              Landlords are likely to L/NP/LNP supporters
              The media run by monied interest groups (think Murdoch and the like (btw the MSM in Australia owns huge amounts of property, like that is their number 1 business)) ran scare campaigns, as they always do
              Landlords threatened to increase rents
              This pairs well with the MSM scare campaigns
              Landlords then actually increased rents
              This negatively affected mostly Labor voters who then argued for the changes to be reversed
              The changes then got reversed

              However, this occurred during a time in history when the pace of information and media was a lot slower and less democratic.

              Landlords can easily not increase rents, or, alternatively, they can recoup losses by seller their property. That's just how private markets work. Private markets should not lead to huge proportions of the market coming together to price gouge and force people into submission/serfdom (who am I kidding, this is exactly what private markets do, and surprise surprise, people have started to notice this since the late 1800s).

              Anyways, renters are now a much more united force, at very least through just being able to find and talk to each other much more easily, so sht landlords are easier to spot and avoid. Further, these changes only affect "2nd" hand builds and people know this so the lies of slumlords/sht landlords are much easier to dispute.

              • @Some Random Guy:

                Renters are more likely to be Labor supporters

                Most likely correct. But not by a strong margin I would haphazard a guess

                Landlords are likely to L/NP/LNP supporters

                Incorrect. And proof of that is when bill shorten took it to the election. It struck at the core of his base as they underestimated blue collar landlords.

                The media run by monied interest groups (think Murdoch and the like (btw the MSM in Australia owns huge amounts of property, like that is their number 1 business)) ran scare campaigns, as they always do

                Moot point as that happens on both sides

                Landlords then actually increased rents

                This 100%

      • The answer is Labor.

        And we'll have 1.2M new houses in another 3 years, and our electricity bills have come down by $275

        • Ooohhhh the humanity!!! We have a government with vision and shoots for the stars! This just the worst! Boohoo!

          If I remember correctly I don't think the Liberals have ever had a housing target. They didn't even have a housing minister for most of their stint throughout the 2010s. They couldn't land an energy policy (after some (I think) 20 attempts)).

          We have a government that has ambition, has a vision, and most importantly has same balls to it. I appluad Labor. By the working class, for the working class.

          • @Some Random Guy: Absolutely agree, I applaud them as well, the vision to create a precedent of changing positions will forever be enshrined in Australian politics.

            Michelle Ananda-Rajah, Tony Burke, Michelle Rowland and Andrew Charlton are the pinnacle of the labor mp working class that we need to emulate.

          • @Some Random Guy:

            By the working class, for the working class.

            Which working class are they for?

            Certainly not the working class in Australia whose wages they keep undercutting year after year after year by importing hundreds of thousands and millions of overseas workers who are just all too happy to accept poor working conditions and poor wages because they don't know any better.

            Labor: for the globalists, by the globalists.

            Which working class are they for?

            Certainly not the working class in Australia who are still working and have just had their aspirations of eventually not having to work so bloody much until they're 10 years out from the grave (i.e. by investing their saved up labour) stolen from them.

            Labor: by the boomers, for the boomers.

    • selling huge amounts of raw materials cheap to other countries

      Time for a quick “101” in commodity prices. Australia doesn’t sell anything “cheap”. We sell commodities (mostly coal & iron ore) at the international market price which fluctuates. That is because other producers of coal & iron ore also sell the same thing & we have to compete in the market

      • not quite correct. We sell rights at a fraction of the international market price to miners, who then use various tax practises (mostly legal, some existing in a very grey area where it could easily be argued in court by the ATO as illegal) to transfer what they mine to other jurisdictions where they then sell it at the international market price.

        People that argue they pay nothing are wrong, but others that argue the sector pays their fair share are also completely wrong as they do everything within the law and sometimes outside the law to ensure they transfer profits away from arms of the ATO.

        So for example Shell sells its LNG gas to a Singapore subsidiary at below market prices to then sell on the open market at market rates. effectively transfering the profit to singapore and avoiding Australian tax. This is the sort off practise the ATO needs to actively prosecute as it is done purely for profit transfer though they try to claim that Singapore is "value" adding to avoid being prosecuted.

      • Are you sure you realise who "we" is? I don't think I'm seeing much of that.

      • Transfer pricing.

      • How many immigrants will need to be brought in to complete this project and where are they going to live??

        • That's what they say about the housing shortage, yet basically none of the "skilled migration" consists of people with construction industry experience.

          • @brendanm: What shortage? we'll have 1.2M new houses in a couple of years It's been promised.

            • @arkie0: We already have more houses than we need for current people, according to 2021 census (released in 2022). We have a hoarding and policy issue here in Aus. Where >10% sit vacant accross all of Australia for a number of reasons, mostly property speculation. We need other states to deincentise vacant houses, limit short stay rentals and tax the gas to fund gov't housing. Yes, look at defense housing, running at profit and it could be improved and scaled up.

              • @rezdo: The census says absolutely NOTHING about vacancy rates of housing, the only thing the census says is how many houses didn't have someone in them on census night for the survey, be that because they were on holiday, out to dinner, at their mothers house or because the house was a holiday rental, under renovation or various other reasons.

                • @gromit:

                  the only thing the census says is how many houses didn't have someone in them on census night for the survey,

                  So, they were vacant?

                  • @Muppet Detector: no, the person was not home or not answering the door is the most you can say. whether the property was vacant or not was unknown.

              • @rezdo: We'll still have another 1.2M houses in 3 years, approx. 1.1M if you want to account for the 10% vacancy.

        • and where are they going to live??

          So you are aware there is a severe housing shortage in this country?

      • And who is going to build these steel plants and run them at competitive pricing compared to what China can do? Logistics of moving the iron ore around is not the reason we can't compete on steel, getting coking coal to WA isn't that much harder than getting it to China.

        Plus, why Queensland? Most of our coking coal comes from NSW, not Queensland. For power WA has natural gas. It's almost like the senator from Queensland is trying to win votes in Queensland by spouting made up bullshit.

        • Almost all coal produced in NSW is thermal coal - except Illawarra coal. The majority of our coking coal is produced in Queensland.

  • @xdigger, I can't select more than one choice in the Poll, even though the statements don't seem to be mutually exclusive.

    • Yeah sorry you're right, I couldn't figure out how to change the poll

  • I think the main issue here is, should politicians be allowed to lie or "change their position" once they have been elected.
    They get elected on the basis of what they say they are going to do or not do. That's their mandate.
    People vote for them on the basis of those "promises".
    To change and do exactly the opposite is a betrayal of the people. They do not have a mandate to do the exact opposite of what they promised.
    I understand that there are minor/urgent issues that may change and require a urgent different approach.
    But not for major long term issues.
    If they want to "change their position" on major long term issues they should obtain a mandate from the people. Either do a referendum or call an election on the basis of their new position.
    Isn't that how a democracy should work?
    Otherwise we just have to accept that any politician can promise anything they want to get elected and then do the exact opposite once you have voted for them.
    Is that acceptable?
    You may be happy this time because it goes in your favour or because you like their "new position", but next time the next politician you voted for will do the same and you may not like the "new position" and you will just have to accept whatever politicians "new position" is, because it is normal and it is widely accepted that politicians lie.

    • They get elected on the basis of what they say they are going to do or not do.
      …To change and do exactly the opposite is a betrayal of the people.

      This exemplifies a lack of integrity.

      • Integrity is a big no-no in the uniparty.

    • I can't agree more, this is exactly how a functional democracy should work, otherwise it's just a sham no different to any of the authoritarian states that we're supposed to be morally superior to.

    • Government doesn't work like that.

      A government could say "we won't do xyz (say fuel excise cuts)" and then Netanyahu shows Trump a video of him with a 14 year old and he starts launching missiles at Iran causing oil prices to rocket.

      Any sensible government would then go back on their promise/mandate/what they were voted in for, in this case - cuts to the fuel excise.

      The same situation can be applied to so many policy decisions and even your own personal life (think about how you said you would do something for someone but you then either forgot, got sick, didn't have the money etc. Its up to the other person to weigh up the validity of that decision of yours. In this case Labor is fully in the right to target nonproductivity which has been plaguing the countries for decades).

      Government is both too big and too old to fully understand/comprehend (because countries themselves are too big and too old to fully understand) but so simple to explain. That's where people get trapped and confused.

      Also I voted Labor for tax cuts and student loan relief (along just having a functional and rational government). So far they have done everything they said they would plus more. I'm happy and most working class Australians are as well.

      • Also I voted Labor for tax cuts and student loan relief (along just having a functional and rational government). So far they have done everything they said they would plus more. I'm happy and most working class Australians are as well.

        That $4 a week is really offsetting the massively increased cost of absolutely everything 😂

        • An orange man and his Epstein class friends diddled kids and got blackmailed by a certain someone into bombing Iran. How is this the current government's fault?

          Give too much money and you're scomo; inflation explodes, real wages drop like a rock, and big business gets a bailout. Give too little and people go hungry. Give something in between and people are still upset.

          I guess the government could take matters into their own hands and hire an assassin? Or a underaged model to use as blackmail?

          Anyways, classic whinge merchants all around, everything is never good enough until their echo chamber media tells then otherwise.

          Also if I'm not mistaken, compared to the status quo at 2022-2023, the average Australian is something like $5-10 grand better off with this government policies. Further, workers aren't having their wages stolen/getting underpaid, some groups like childcare workers got massive boosts to wages. Same job same pay has led to thousands basically doubling their wage. Like I wouldn't be overestimating in saying you are 10 grand better off with this government (when compared to what was forecasted). This ignores Medicare urgent care clinics, bulk billing, budget surpluses, lower net debt, temp fuel excise cuts, savings many heavy industries (think Wyalla steelworks and some other works in Tasmania), fixing the NBN, list goes on

          • @Some Random Guy: Prices were out of control far before the last couple of months.

            I am worse off under this government. Perhaps because I don't qualify for any handouts. It's been getting rapidly worse since 2019. They keep throwing around free money, it keeps making things worse.

            • @brendanm: Prices have been out of control since COVID…

              I applaud the current government for at least trying to pull some levers to make it better for the little guy (funding the ACCC - which has recently found Coles to be lying about discounts, made gas companies not price gouge us when international markets go crazy (weird that LPG shot up during COVID, but it hasn't moved a cent during THE LARGEST OIL AND GAS CRISIS IN HUMAN HISTORY), reducing excise of fuel, along with YEAR ON YEAR tax cuts since they've been in government, etc)

              If you're making $200000-300000+ a year then I'm sorry that your life isn't as good as it was forecasted to be but the average salary is like ~$65000 (I think maybe even lower) and the median is a tad higher. I reckon we focus on the vast majority of the population first and we'll get back to you once everyone else is no longer having to decide between buying a new pair of underwear or paying their rego

              • @Some Random Guy: We have an insane amount of gas, our prices shouldn't even be where they are.

                Reducing the fuel excise increases inflation. Same as all their other "cost of living" handouts.

                I'm not making 200-300k. The bar is far lower than that for not getting handouts.

                The average wage is around $100k. The median is low $90k or so.

                along with YEAR ON YEAR tax cuts since they've been in governmen

                Lmao

                • @brendanm: I say we look at who signed the decade long contracts and we should also look to when these contracts expire and ensure whoever signed them last time doesn't sign them next time.

                  Latest ABS data shows that current average is around $100k, so you are right on that. median is lower, at about $75k, which is quite surprising.

          • @Some Random Guy:

            an orange man and his Epstein class friends diddled kids and got blackmailed by a certain someone into bombing Iran.

            Are we in the kitchen? So much cooking going on.

            • @tenpercent: I'm under the impression that the Epstein débâcle is a honeypot operation. Led by whom? Time will tell…

              But, seeing that Trump is taking a page out of Netanyahu's book (the same guy who caused riots so large they led to the assassination of their democratically elected Labour PM - the first person to actually lead to good things for Israel and Palestine (think Oslo accords)), I would say it is more likely that the guy who bankrupted two casinos and is only alive and wealthy due to his dad was actually handed a playbook and told to do as it reads or else…

              Trump is genuinely too stupid and narcissistic to be able to see existence anything more than himself - let the world burn if the video of him with little girls doesn't get released kinda guy…

              I can only imagine what skeletons Pauline has in her closet

      • and then Netanyahu shows Trump a video of him with a 14 year old and he starts launching missiles at Iran causing oil prices to rocket

        What's all this cooker talk?

        • I think it’s tongue in cheek…

          But there’s clearly an agenda with Bibi and Trump. Probably the oil like Venezuela for Trump. Bibi it’s irrational personal / religious fervour.

          We can’t ignore the massive effect the Iran bombings have had on inflation.

        • The theory that the Epstein débâcle is actually a honeypot operation.

          No rational human would do what Trump has done… Unless they were being blackmailed and are surrounded by other people who are also blackmailed so everyone just shuts up and holds the line.

    • I knida disagree on this… I think the whole concept of a political "promise" is something that was made up by the media. Governments have to shift their policies to meet the conditions of the time and the shifting attitudes of the people… 3-4 years is not a long time but it is long enough for conditions to change and a change in stance to happen. It's not too long that a bad policy can do serious irreversable damage unless you end up with a Trump like figure (which our political system probably couldn't produce).

      "Promises should be more broad outcomes like "Improve housing affordability" and then it's up to the party to enact the policies and reforms they believe will lead to that outcome… if you don't believe those reforms have lead to the outcome or brought us closer? then you can vote them out in the next election.

      "promises" is a rediculous framing and somewhat childish.

      • *ridiculous

        • Thank you… not sure why my auto-correct didn't cover up my lack of education like it usually does.

      • Agreed just because someone set a broad outcome of building 1.2M new houses in 3-4 years conditions change and now they're shifting policies to 300k houses.

  • How does option 1 have the most votes. Are labor votersr really that ideological? Or are they the ones happy to benefit from grandfathering at the expense of everyone else?

    • Probably both. Ozbargain forums is well known for its Labor leaning audience.
      Also the poll is a dog's breakfast. For example, while 1 and 2 are mutually exclusive, a person could agree with all of 2 through 6 all at the same time.

      • Apologies, I didn't know how to fix the poll and am awaiting a moderator's assistance

        • No worries. I wasn't meaning to have a dig at you. I was just explaining one possible reason the results seem skewed towards option 1 at the moment.

    • Because we genuinely think the changes are good.

      Not everyone thinks short term and just wants whatever maximises money now. Many consider what's likely best in future and removing NG/CGT for existing houses is a big one to help with that.

      It's not perfect, but it's the most logical/consistent approach of any other party. Greens tend to be a bit too extreme, and Liberals/ONP have some policies that make them outright unvotable despite any other good policy.

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