Aphantasia - Anyone have it?

Anyone here with aphantasia? What's the extent of it? I know I've seen at least one person mention it on here at some point.

Aphantasia is the inability to picture something in your mind

Recently discovered I had this, had always just assumed my memory was crap, could never understand people saying they can picture doing something when they were 6 years old. I seem to have pretty much full aphantasia, very limited autobiographical memory. I have an inner monologue. Can picture things on my mind in dreams weirdly.

Also AMA I suppose.

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  • Aphantasia - Anyone have it?

    I'm not sure. I can't quite picture what it would be like.

  • I try to picture myself being rich and happy one day, but I don't see it :(

  • well, i always assumed all ozbargainers had it due to the frequent MS paint diagram requests.

  • what is it?

    Dang! I just tried the apple test and failed. WTF?

    • Apple test makes no sense to peopel who actually have full aphantasia. Here is a better one:

      Imagine a ball on a table. Give that ball a push so it rolls off the edge.

      What colour was the ball? What was the table made of?

      I answered 'what colour do you want it to be?'
      Interestingly, the table was square, so I had some 'spatial imagination' going on, but not visual.

      • I imagine a billiard ball rolling off a billiard table. Not sure why.

    • Just edited to add that, probably important to actually let people know what it is 😂

      What's the apple test?

      • Here’s an image of the apple test. Sorry, I’m a 1.

      • From the link above….

        Close your eyes and imagine an apple. See nothing? You might have aphantasia — and you're not alone. About 1 in 25 people think without mental images.

        • Ah my mistake, I clicked the test link before getting down that far.

          Do the full test and see what happens.

          • @brendanm: Failed miserably. I can't picture shit. Never realised what other people are capable of. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

            Next time I ask my wife something and she replies…

            Use your imagination dipshit

            I have the perfect excuse.

            • @MS Paint: You don't need to picture things in your mind if you draw them in an MS Paint diagram

            • @MS Paint: All those years, I imagined you as ms, somehow didn't read ms as Microsoft.

              • @htc: I've been told I run like a girl if that help you out.

            • @MS Paint: That's pretty much how I felt. Can you picture any of your families faces? I can only remember that stuff has happened, but can't picture any of it.

              I have the perfect excuse.

              😂

              • @brendanm:

                Can you picture any of your families faces?

                Prosopagnosia
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosopagnosia

                Prosopagnosia, also known as face blindness, is a cognitive disorder of face perception in which the ability to recognize familiar faces, including one's own face (self-recognition), is impaired, while other aspects of visual processing (e.g., object discrimination) and intellectual functioning (e.g., decision-making) remain intact, though some people experience difficulty tracking facial changes or maintaining social continuity over repeated encounters.

                • @whyisave: Being unable to recognise a familiar face is very different to being unable to picture it.

            • @MS Paint:

              I can't picture sh

              How did you manage to keep yourself in check as a teenage boy?

    • same. I didn't realise people actually see things when they think of them. Are they sure most people actually see things in thier minds? Wouldn't that be photographic memory?

    • Just worked out my subconscious is a brony

  • i can see all the images of my past if i close my eyes
    i guess thats why its hard to sleep

    • haunted by memories of the past aye?

    • So, you're a kiwi then?

      • choice bro

  • I realised I'm in the club a few years ago when I saw something about this online somewhere. I then realised when people say "count sheep" to help you fall asleep they were being literal. I cannot visualise anything including faces of people I see every day let alone sheep.

    • I can't see the sheep for sheep, there are too many of them, so it makes it hard to count them. So I try to make them jump over a fence so it's easier to count them one at a time. The trouble is my imagination can't control them, it is similar to herding cats. It is the frustration of it all, that sends me to sleep, I think!

    • It's just to bore yourself to sleep, right? So it shouldn't make any difference whether you "see" them or just "imagine" them??

  • It'll be like ADHD, we'll all have it by the end of the week

    • Nah. I read the "symptoms" of ADHD and half of people can relate somewhat. Many for ASD.

      But most people I asked are very confident of visualisation, and I've no met anyone else who, when asked properly, passes aphantastic. Only online.

  • I can't work out if I have it or not.

  • So, I never realised this was a thing, and I never realised that I didn't picture things in my mind. Close my eyes and try to picture things and I just see black and think about the parts that make up that item.

    For reference I am very good at remembering context, of every movie, book etc I have ever seen or read. However, I cannot quote things verbatim.

    Also I never remember any dreams.

    Down the rabbit hole I go!

    • However, I cannot quote things verbatim.

      Same, I know the gist, and important points, but that's it. You just have to trust your brain and hope it's paying attention to the important bits 😂

  • I struggle to imagine static images like a photo of an apple, but can very easily imagine a 3D apple spinning or being thrown. Can move it around and interact with it too, like slicing it in half fruit-ninja style.

    It's a useful technique for falling asleep, will imagine a rock being thrown and follow it, through randomly generated terrain my brain makes up, works pretty well

    • 3d apple

      Are we talking like 90s ally mcbeal dancing Jesus grade 3d apple, or like anime waifu 2026 ChatGPT generated hyper sexualised woman in apple cosplay?

      • 90s ally mcbeal dancing Jesus grade 3d apple

        That was not a flashback I enjoyed seeing in my mind's eye.

      • I'm neither young enough nor old enough to understand this

    • It's a useful technique for falling asleep, will imagine a rock being thrown and follow it, through randomly generated terrain my brain makes up, works pretty well

      Most people just count sheep.

      Btw, don't throw rocks at seals.

  • I'm like you OP. Aphantasia and poor autobiographical memory. Though memory otherwise is good.

    One useful trick - lying in bed, I know when i'm asleep if i start to visualise :)
    Most people with aphantasia have visual dreams, but some do not.

    Do you "imagine sound"? My inner monolog, or any internal speech is I guess silent, it has no voice, no accent.
    Its my excuse for being bad at music. though i still can get earworms, so …???

    • I'm like you OP. Aphantasia and poor autobiographical memory. Though memory otherwise is good.

      The poor autobiographical memory really sucks. Do you find you don't miss people as much as you "should" do?

      Do you "imagine sound"? My inner monolog, or any internal speech is I guess silent, it has no voice, no accent.
      Its my excuse for being bad at music. though i still can get earworms, so …???

      I feel like my inner monologue sounds similar to my voice, cadence etc. When I hear a song in my head, it's basically just the words, with no music. Do you hear the music?

      • Do you hear the music?

        A good question. First we need to know what it means :-)
        I would say my conscious subjective experience is different.
        Is aphantasia just a superficial thing? Is it differences in how we perceive or are consciously aware of our mental processes, while they are the same underneath?
        We only "observe" a tiny fraction of what goes on in our heads, and a lot of that we get wrong.

        e.g. I cannot at all describe a person i met briefly, but i will recognise them. Like the chemist yesterday - it was a woman , youngish i think. Skin or hair colour - no idea. … maybe Asian, or is that just a guess because there are a lot of female asian pharmacists? but if i go back, i know instantly if it was the same person. Does this happen so much to people without aphantasia? I suspect it is related.

      • The poor autobiographical memory has a name these days Severely Deficient Autobiographical Memory(SDAM) There's communities on Reddit and Discord, Very common for people with Aphantasia.

        I Find it a huge pain when it comes to remembering peoples names/Lists of things to do/what i'm ordering for the kids when i get to a counter.

        And definitely not missing people/thinking of people as often as expected. Whenever I see photos of my kids when they were younger it feels like they are completely different people and there's a strange disconnect where i cant remember the kid in the photo being my kid until I use context to tell myself who it is.

        I think I Technically have hypophantasia, When I think of anything where most people would visualize I get what I equate to someone holding a photo at the very edge of my peripheral vision for a fraction of a second in a dark room. Not enough to really get all the details or be able to tell you what colour something was and its gone before i can focus on it. but not nothing at all.

        And I have a really solid spatial awareness Its hard to describe because its not really visualizing anything but I can somehow understand where things are in relation to other things, I.e. the layout of a room or where people were standing when something happened but without actually seeing it.

        I also have always loved reading and somehow those micro flashes of imagery and spatial awareness build enough of something that books still feel like more than just words on a page.

  • Yes, I do.

    I think the most interesting aspect for me is that the movie is almost always better than the book. The book gives me nothing visually, so when you see something like Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings it looks pretty incredible.

    • I still hate the movies because most of the time they ruin the plot 😂

  • I realised I had in in 2014. I say realised as you never know when or if you always had it. This was before it had a name and before the bbc documentary and the university research on it in the UK that finally gave it a name.

    I went for all sorts of tests in aus at the time.

    I was sitting in the airport on way back to Aus from London, and realised I did not know what my wife looked like, or my kids. Gone from my memory. I looked at photos on phone and instant recognition.

    I did bang my head that trip which I have assumed was the cause.

    The BBC doco really opened it up for everyone. I basically explain it by looking away from my wife, and telling someone I can only describe her features using logic (hair colour/length etc) and have no way of ‘seeing’ her.

    A quick test is close you eyes, imagine a camel, if you can see the camel in your mind, make it bright red. If you can you are on the other scale. If all you have is a blackness when you close your eyes, then that’s what I have and 0 on the spectrum.

    Strangely, just before drifting off to sleep, or just before waking up, you can see stuff but if you try to concentrate on it, it puffs away to blackness in an instant.

    Also, I can dream.

    My wife is on the other side of the spectrum, as in she can picture everything and scenarios that seem crazy to me. Like driving the other day she could picture the intersection coming up….

    • It seems like I'm even further on this side of the spectrum. I can recognise faces, but can't connect them to names. I can't describe people, even a minute after they left the room. If I don't see things, I can not describe what they look like, other than some generic logic-derived attributes. I mostly don't dream. Maybe a couple of times a year and it's not visual, mainly just intense feelings of some kind, usually associated with inability to move or moving in irrational ways.

      Similarly, I can not remember music or recall it to a point of being able to reproduce it, though when I hear it I can recognise it. With music, I have slightly better chance of recalling the name of the song and maybe the artist, than I have with associating faces with names.

      An inner voice is another strange concept to me. For example, if I need to remember a few digits, I have to say them aloud and at a particular speed. If I have to pause, or a noise causes me to not hear what I said, I lose the sequence. I can not "say it in my head" in order to remember it.

      As far as spelling goes, I can't do it from my head. I have to write a word down, then read out the individual letters. Same thing with doing any non-trivial mathematics problems, I have to write down every step of the solution. I'm sure the teachers thought that I was very good at "show your working" in exams.

      Interestingly I do a lot of complex problem solving and programming for a living. It often takes a large chunk of time to fill my head with facts and context and then it can all start taking shape by typing out the code and going back and forth iteratively to fill in missing parts. Again, there is no bigger picture that I just transcribe from my head. It's just individual bits that make sense and I need to assemble them in the code editor, like a jigsaw puzzle.

      • You've described my aphantasia experience too…

        There are blessings to having it as much as you and I. I've had the misfortune of experiencing some messed up traumatic events. The people I've endured some of them with have experienced ongoing PTSD. Not me, the exception being recalling a painful sentence that someone close to me said in a dark moment.
        I'm certain aphantasia is to thank for me being relatively ok, no triggering visual memories.

        Gotta appreciate the good that comes with the bad.

      • I can recognise faces, but can't connect them to names.

        Can you elaborate on this a bit? Do you mean you don't remember the names of your colleagues when you see their faces?
        Do you have issues with recalling events or sequences of events?

        As far as spelling goes, I can't do it from my head. I have to write a word down, then read out the individual letters

        For some longer words, I'm similar to this, but I don't have to literally write them out. I just trace the letters with my index finger as though it was a pen and I find that better than just trying to spell without it.

        • Do you mean you don't remember the names of your colleagues when you see their faces?

          Kind of. I can recognise a face and the more I had to do with that person the more connections or attributes surface. Their name might be one of those attributes, but that is rare. Typically I need to connect a lot of these clues together and put a lot of effort into recalling a name. Sometimes it can take a minute or two before I remember the name of the person I'm with. People that I see very often are less of a challenge.

          Are you able to think in words? To talk silently to yourself planning what to say or type?

          Mostly I think in concepts that transform into words right at the last second as I form a sentence. Communicating with something like Google Home is always a pain, because my though to speech process can have brief pauses as I search for the right word and the overzealous AI cuts me off and goes off when I'm only half-done asking a question or giving a command. It's not a problem with humans as they can deal with it and recognise from the intonation whether I finished the sentence or not.

          When I read, I can sound out the words in my head, one by one and in fact I need to do that to comprehend what I'm reading. Is that the inner voice? If so, that's an input mechanism for me.

      • I can recognise faces, but can't connect them to names.

        Humans are hard-wired to recognise faces. Remembering names is a problem for many though, and a learned skill.

        I can't describe people, even a minute after they left the room.

        Aphantasia will contribute to that.

        I mostly don't dream.

        We all dream, but vary in how much we remember. For those who do, its usually only what you were dreaming just before you woke, and then it fades very quickly - unless you create new memories about the dream by thinking about it before the sleep memory fades.

        An inner voice is another strange concept to me

        Are you able to think in words? To talk silently to yourself planning what to say or type?

    • I don't even have to close my eyes to imagine this Camel :O

  • Yup, I have it. Found out about a decade ago when someone explained to me that I was meant to be able to actually "picture" something in my mind, it wasn't just a weird meaning for something else.

    I try picture an apple and I see something closer to TV static.

    edit: the weirdest part is anytime someone goes "picture an ocean". I can't do that. I can think of the smell and sound though.

    • Yep, difficult to figure out that other people can actually see things in their minds, and they aren't just wanting you to think about that object when they say to "imagine it".

      edit: the weirdest part is anytime someone goes "picture an ocean". I can't do that. I can think of the smell and sound though.

      I can't think of the smell or sound either, but if I smelt the same smell in a different location, I would instantly link it to the beach, if that makes sense.

  • How about with text and words?

    Like when I need to spell something, I visualise the word so I can spell it out… how do you guys do it?

    • What font do you see the words in?

      • Varies, sometimes serif, sometimes sans-serif, sometimes in handwriting form. Apple is in Helvetica because of course. Australia is always all uppercase in sans-serif.

        • haha I feel ripped off, mines almost always some version of Comic-Sans

    • Also curious about this. I don't have Aphantasia.
      If you said to me "spell Hippopotamus ", I would literally see the word floating in front of me, then I'd just read back the letters to you.
      How would you guys do the equivalent, without visualizing?

      • It's hard to explain, you just know?

      • I had to learn spelling by rote at school.

      • I say it slowly in my head - hip po pot a mus

      • The same way the word just appears to you, the thoughts of the letters that are correct just pops into our heads

    • Curious, how does visualising an apple help you spell the word?

  • Yup I have it complete.

    No visual

    No sound

    No smell

    Nothing. Thoughts are just "concepts" as the best way to describe it.

    • Do you have an inner voice?

  • I have it and so does my Dad. But both of my kids are at the opposite end of the scale and have photographic memories and highly visualise. We're all also on the Autism Spectrum

    • We're all also on the Autism Spectrum

      Everyone is…

    • We all have inner monologues too

      • Apparently some people don't have inner monologues.

  • Yup, scored 0 on the test. Probably explains why I can't draw or paint stuff.

    Didn't even know it was a thing. Frankly, I find it weird that people can just summon imagery into their head.

    • Personal experience - I have Aphantasia and was also an artist for most of my life. I could never work out why it was so easy for other artists to reproduce variations of their previous works so quickly. I had to start from scratch for every new work.

  • ADHD, high functioning autism and now this…. Oh and astigmatism.

    Life's good, gosh darn it.

    • Hit me up if you want to start a super villain group. Minimum requirements are ADHD, Autism, Astigmatism, Aphantasia.

      Meetings start whenever everyone remembers, eye contact is banned, lights are always dimmed, the evil plan is whatever we can make out on the whiteboard from here, and the endgame is a mystery to all of us on a neurological level.

  • What does this mean in terms of how you think and learn? Do you need more visual aids / sketching to make sense of things?

    • Students who have this often struggle with those highly imaginative tasks in English and Humanities. However, struggle with those doesn't automatically = aphantasia. Autistic people, for example, often struggle with Theory of Mind - the ability to see the world from other people's perspectives (simply put).

      Aphantasia would most likely show in junior primary years where children are often asked to close their eyes and imagine something. In my years of teaching, i haven't yet come across a child who said they literally saw nothing in their mind's eye. Some I've had with difficulties but we've managed that the same as Autistic traits (high levels of scaffolding, visual prompts etc)

      • In my years of teaching, i haven't yet come across a child who said they literally saw nothing in their mind's eye.

        We thought it was like a metaphor. "imagine an apple" - ok, i'm thinking of an apple.
        We didn't know we were actually supposed to "see" something like in a dream.

        • And conversely, when a young child states 'but Miss, I cant see anything!' we dont automatically think that they can't imagine an image in their mind's eye as children at that age are firmly rooted in concrete reasoning (ie you asked me to close my eyes and see/think of/imagine a thing but not being able to see it is like a yes/no answer for them). Hope that makes sense.

        • We didn't know we were actually supposed to "see" something like in a dream.

          How is it possible you can "see" in your mind's eye in a dream, but not when awake? Evidently you have the mental machinery.

    • As benoffee said, while I always loved reading, I hated creative writing as I could never create enough of a world to make it work, I just assumed I wasn't creative.

      I was always good at logical things, electronics, mechanical, physics, chemistry etc.

  • Wow, I have this issue intermittently.

  • not quiet Aphentasia but i have something similar called Prosopagnosia (associative) which stops me from being able to recognise faces… this means i also can't close my eyes and think of someones face that I know.

  • Aphantasia - Anyone have it?

    Yes.

    Also have some degree of prosopagnosia. I fail to recognise people in places where I don't expect to find them.

    Not sure whether the latter is because of the former.

    Except for the awkwardness of people saying hello and me wondering whether I'm supposed to know them, or they're just being polite, the only nuisance has been when the police have asked me to describe someone and I can only do it in the most general of terms because I have no picture in my head to describe them from.

  • Afantasia… I don't like that movie either, but I don't think it's a condition.

  • I would rate myself about 3/10 for mental visualisation. One reason I can never get into novels. It's just words on a page to me. A character is just a name to me, never something I have any visual representation of in my head. But I can solve some problems in my head. It takes a lot of concentration though.

  • Aphantasia is the inability to picture something in your mind

    It means the inability to fantasise

    • It is Latin and literally translates to 'no imagination'. Pretty morbid lol

      • It is Latin

        Nah, Greek…

      • translates to 'no imagination'

        Aphantasia

        a - (Greek prefix): Meaning "without" or "the opposite of"

        phantasia - (Greek: φαντασία): Meaning "fantasise"

        • Remind me, what is the Greek name for the condition when a person is unable to perceive the difference between literal translation, and actual meaning?

          • @bargaino: That is the meaning…

        • OK so I was correct except language origin, ta for googling. I was going off of memory

  • Came here for the bargains. Got learnt

  • I mean even if u have this, you can still picture your parents face without looking right? Or anything from core memory..

    • What is this "picturing a face" you speak of?
      No, I cannot construct images in my head from memories. Not my kids, not anyone. So you have like a photo album in your head?
      Even in my sleep, I cannot see faces of people I know. But sleep imagery is never easy to control.

    • Nope. I can't picture my parents faces, grandparents, wife, kids etc. If one of them got lost and the police asked me to do a description, I wouldn't be able to.

  • I'm Hyperfantastic, I mean Hyperphantasic according to the test. Probably why I can visualise something complex and then either design it in cad or construct it.

    Serious question : for those that can't picture anything in their heads, how do you decide what you want something to be like, choose something etc. Eg what would this desk look like in my room? What does a certain dog look like? How would a shelf look like with a plant on it in the corner? What would my cupboard look like if I rearranged these things? How would I construct a chair?
    Can you visualise a movie you watched? Would you remember it when you watched it again? From the words or the image?

    • One thing is that spatial sense is different from visual.
      You can mentally arrange things without seeing them.
      I guess we think more in rules and relationships. Or at least are more aware of doing so.

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