Same price at MSY.
Not an ATL for the 5070 Ti but cheapest price in quite a while and might be the ATL for this card. Also comes with a free copy of 007 First Light if purchased on or before the 11th of June.
Not bad given the card is practically EOL and VRAM prices continue to increase exponentially. No idea what the card performs like.
Surcharges: 0% direct deposit, 0.9% card, 1% fee on all other payments including Google Pay & Apple Pay.
True, but then again there's still people buying $1,800-$2k+ 5080s.
I went with the 5070 Ti so I didn't need to worry about trying to mod FSR 4.1 into nearly every game I wanted to play. But there's other things like higher memory bandwidth and Nvidia seems to use VRAM more efficiently, can use path tracing, better resale value, etc…
nvidia drivers are currently inferior to AMD. But AMDs software stack is fairly weak compared to nvidia. Pick your poison
I have the MSI 5070 TI i bought at launch was about 1700 bucks. so you guys are doing well for that price.
You can OC a good 5070ti to be reaching 5-10% difference of 5080
Sure you can
And so you can the 5080 while you're at it…
Yes?
You can OC a 5070 Ti to 5080 stock performance, but you can do a similar OC on a 5080, so the gap still remains.
The 5070 Ti GDDR7 should always be able to do +3000 though, whereas a 5080 may not, as the 5070 Ti base speed is more nerfed. It's unfortunate Ngreedia put a cap on the memory overclock as it should be able to do ~+5000 otherwise.
Way better off undervolting. The visual difference of 15% between 5070ti and 5080 is basically imperceptible. I have my 5070ti running exact same speed as stock, but only using 185w vs 255w stock (in cyberpunk at 100% load). So much quieter and cooler. Saves power $, and much less dust over time as well.
can you tell us how to do it? i woudl have to OC my 5070 ti.
Juat google youtube for 5070ti undervolt, they all have sligjtly similar range, just go standard you cant go wrong. Very easy to do with afterburner
but i wanna see the information you got on 5 to 10% performance so i can match that performance
@kungfuman: You can watch this video below as (safe) starting point and decide to go more or not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_GSr-BwaBU
@kungfuman: OC is silly. you won't even perceive 66fps vs 60fps, or 132fps vs 120fps. You will have endless frustration with random crashes and freezes though. Undervolting is the way. Or just enjoy it stock.
I'd buy a 9070xt over this any day of the week
Why
price difference, they are effectively the same real world performance, but the 9070xt is way cheaper.
Hardware unboxed just did a recent comparison:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBNwDg9WkT8
ps, I don't understand why people neg rep for just asking why.
Agreed. 5070Ti should be no more than $100 more than 9070XT.
@edfoo: NVIDIA chips are so much more expensive because NVIDIA is no longer a gaming GPU company. Their revenue on the game chip is like less than 10% now. Why feed the beggars with cheap chips when this capacity can be fed to chips with higher profit margins?
@greyeye: Hey they make their chips and they can price at whatever level they want, we will just vote with our wallets.
On limited budget yes the AMD is the clear winner
Having my 9070XT now, more than happy with it
Price to performance is much better than 5070Ti
Also, better to buy from reputable provider
Linux is a good reason for AMD graphics cards because Nvidia is a pain the arse when it comes to problems on linux. I know i have many issues with my 5070 TI on linux it works maybe 70% of the time but its touch and go.
it makes me laugh when a ignorant fools neg you because they don't understand why nvidia isn't good on linux.
Same. NVIDIA can EAD.
Compatibility always better though. Just buy one at the right price point and on sale.
I did buy a 9070XT, but god damn the AMD drivers are hot trash compared to nVidia.
It was. They are good now.
People have been saying the same thing since the ATI days.
It's almost always windows issues or some other component/bios/PBO settings etc. I went from 5 crashes a day to 0 crashes in 6 months after properly setting up the system.
The top 3 issues were caused by: 1) too aggressive PBO -ve CO (-25 down to -15 fixed it), even though it passed all bench tests. 2) windows update contaminating the AMD GPU drivers, you need to force NO driver updates via a group policy and 3) running in PCIE5 mode on a PCIE4 motherboard. If left to "auto" in bios, lots of MB's will negotiate PCIE5, so you need to lock it to 4 in bios.
The other thing to watch out for with RDNA4 is the core boost algorithm can be a little aggressive, so by capping it down a few hundred MHz will help prevent overshooting/unstable boosts that can cause driver timeouts. This behaviour also depends on the driver version, they seem to be constantly tweaking it to find the sweet spot.
Most of these issues will also affect NVIDIA, so it's not a case of "NVIDIA just works" or "I don't want a PHD in CS just to run an AMD card". It's all just common sense and easy stuff that all PC gamers should know anyway.
On windows that would be the case, but it’s quite the opposite on Linux. In fact, while Radeon GPUs don’t perform well on Windows as Nvidia GPUs, they perform better on Linux than even Windows.
All this to say, AMD open-sourcing their Linux drivers for longer means that it got a performance advantage not only over Nvidia GPUs, but over Windows as well.
TL;DR, if you want to game on Windows, go Nvidia, but for Linux, stick to AMD (unless you need Nvidia production stuff like CUDA and video encoding).
Do you mean in terms of features or stability? My system has been as solid as a rock since I installed a 9070.
I have a 9070xt, what's wrong with the drivers?
Crashes, especially in Cyberpunk 2077
AI noise cancellation broken for months by an update
Weird behaviour where all my windows get shunted to a secondary display every time the computer goes to sleep (never happened with the 1080 Ti)
Only reasons to potentially spend that much more on a green card is for better energy efficiency/heat per HUB review above (eg in a SFF build) and/or if you want FPS gains in specific path tracing games…
The only NVIDIA cards I buy are ex mining ones. Half the price and NVIDIA get nothing from me.
Not worth it. You're buying ~6 year old cards that have been used to hell, for a similar $/fps to brand new with no warranty.
If those cards were sold at a discount, then maybe. Cheapest 5060 right now is $449. People are trying to sell their ancient used 3070s on Ebay for $400-450.
The 5060 is on the newest architecture, with a 3 year warranty and uses half the power (adds up over the long run) for the same performance. A 3070 would have to be max $150 to make buying used worth it.
I've done this several times now. The math works out and the eBay sellers especially will replace the card if it has a fault.
And yes, you have to wait for the price to make sense but you're basically paying 1/5th of the cost from new for a card that's been battle tested.
The life it had mining would have been one of staying at a consistent temperature in a well regulated environment.
Its life gaming will be much harder.
When it's time to upgrade it won't have depreciated much at all. Jumping generations will be minimal on cost.
The life it had mining would have been one of staying at a consistent temperature in a well regulated environment.
Its life gaming will be much harder.
Having seen photos of some of the facilities these things were used in, I wouldn't count on it.
The most polite way to put it is that cryptocurrency mining operations were run as lean as possible. It wasn't unheard of for them to burn down because the people building and operating them often didn't know what they were doing, or simply didn't care.
Good old times…. I could justify a 3090 because it was making $10-15 a day
Umart owns msy.
Looks like I bought my 5070 too early for a thousand bucks
Hmm. Buy 5070 for $899 or this one? Still $370 gap.
consider 9070xt
If you dont upgrade regularly just spend a bit more and get this rather than trying to save 200 300 bucks. 9070xt is appealing but in overall software DLSS game compatibility etc nvidia stilll is the superior ecosystem
I rocked a 3070 for years, and upgraded to a 5070ti last week (gigabyte gaming oc for 1349$). Bloody hell it was MASSIVE, barely fit in my old NZXT case from 2017. But damn it sure ran great, rarely goes above 55c (most of the time <35c). Honestly pretty impressed. Yeah prices suck nowadays but I doubt they're gonna decrease anytime soon.
My 3070 still works great and is a Bilibili iColor Limited Edition (also bought for ~1300$ during the covid mining craze when prices also went bananas).
MSY are still around??
Dude they finally upgraded the website, and some how it's worse than what it was before. I miss the old printout all the parts list mark them like a shopping list and head to the shop via train and walking, only to not really talk to the staff while waiting for them to collect my new pc.
seems this and the 5080, some stock is getting cleared. still pretty pricey for 5070ti/5080 but it's trending in the right direction
Still a looonnng way to go. Same with RAM and SSD prices.
Nvidia is not gonna invest in any exciting new gpu anytime soon now everyone is busy riding the ai cash cow
yes the question is at what point will it make financial sense for nvidia to use precious tsmc capacity for gaming cards instead of ai?
@dreamer69: I can't see it will be back anytime soon - in the meantime we will see many PC parts manufacturers/suppliers go down.
Wow great deal
Just a bit to long for me,
Size is 320mm
I need max of 305mm
Yeah same with my meshify C, max = 315mm.
Prefer a two fan jobby (my MSI 2060 super ventus still going strong).
Excuse for new case?
9070xt can run imagine gen well faster than 5070ti? SD flux etc
Looks nice and compact too unlike my absolute chungus Zotac Solid model.
That said, given the bigger price gap between the 9070xt and the 5070ti I'd be reluctant to pay the extra now (I've had mine since April 2025 when the price gap was much closer, so figured I'd spend the extra for cuda and DLSS etc)