MG MGS6 EV: RWD $49,990, AWD $56,990 Driveaway, $500 Bonus Accessories @ MG Dealers

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MG MGS6 EV: RWD $49,990, AWD $56,990 Driveaway, $500 Bonus Accessories @ MG Dealers
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MG has officially launched their mid-size electric SUV in Australia today, the MGS6 EV, and the pricing completely undercuts the current mid-size EV segment by offering true nationwide drive-away pricing out of the gate.

They are also running a launch promo until 30 June 2026 which includes $500 worth of "M-Genius" bonus accessories with the purchase.

Trim & Pricing (Drive-away)
  • MGS6 EV Essence RWD: $49,990 Drive-away
  • MGS6 EV Essence AWD: $56,990 Drive-away
Key Specifications:
  • Battery & Charging: 77kWh NMC battery, 144kW DC fast charging (10-80% in 38 mins)
  • Essence RWD: 180kW/350Nm, 530km WLTP range, 0-100km/h in 7.3s (86L Frunk)
  • Essence AWD: 266kW/540Nm, 485km WLTP range, 0-100km/h in 5.1s (67L Frunk)
  • Storage (Aust Spec): 581L rear boot expanding to 1,690L with the rear seats folded down.
  • Towing: 1,500kg braked towing capacity
  • Warranty: 7-Year/Unlimited km warranty (Extendable up to 10 years/250,000km via dealer network servicing)
Standard Premium Kit:
  • 20-inch alloy wheels, 12.8-inch infotainment + 10.25-inch digital dash + Head-up Display (HUD)
  • 11-speaker premium audio system, heated & ventilated front seats + heated outer rear seats
  • Panoramic Fixed Glass Roof with Electric Sunshade (Exclusive to the Essence AWD variant)
  • Full MG Pilot safety suite & 360-degree surround-view camera
Quick Comparison: How It Stacks Up

To put the value in perspective, the MG includes all on-road costs, whereas its primary competitors face statutory charges on top of their retail prices:

Feature MG MGS6 EV Essence RWD Tesla Model Y RWD BYD Sealion 7 Premium
Price $49,990 Drive-away $58,900 + On-roads $54,990 + On-roads
WLTP Range 530km 466km 482km
Rear Boot 581L 536L 500L
Seats Folded 1,690L 1,671L 1,210L
Frunk 86L 117L 58L
Warranty 7-10 Years / Unltd km 5 Years / Unlimited km 6 Years / 150,000km
0-100 km/h 7.3 seconds 5.9 seconds 6.7 seconds

Note: For anyone considering salary packaging, the sub-$50k drive-away entry point makes this an incredibly cheap option for a novated lease under the FBT exemption threshold.

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  • SetTheFaqUp on 25/05/2026 - 13:31

    Good deal.
    Though, the exterior looks like a close cousin of the BYD Sealion.

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    • kungfuman on 25/05/2026 - 13:54

      144kW DC fast charging thats pretty bad actually even the base model RWD model 3 can do 180kw even a BYD can do 150w. on dc charging. no sure why for that price its slower charging rate.

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      • lowey71 on 25/05/2026 - 15:42

        As charging curves can vary, just looking at peak rate CAN be misleading. Look at 10/20/30-80% charge time. S6 is still not great though
        Also consider 3 phase charging, if applicable to your home/work. Some cars can do 22kw, others 11kw or less

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        • kungfuman on 26/05/2026 - 13:41

          AC charging is not the same as DC charging most people don't understand the difference.

          3kw to 22kw is usually AC 32amp charging. on single or 3 phase systems.

          DC charging is for long distance travel not for every day use. its used to dump alot of charge quickly in 10 min so you can continue on your trip.

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      • Captain Hindsight on 25/05/2026 - 17:54

        there's worse atto 2 only 50kw

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      • Naigrabzo on 26/05/2026 - 13:30

        10-80% is 38 minutes. I suppose you can bring a cross word puzzle to do while you wait.

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    • kungfuman on 25/05/2026 - 13:57

      wait isn't this the same price as the byd Atto 3?

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      • Buddy195 on 25/05/2026 - 21:09

        It’s one size up from the atto 3. MGS5 is atto 3 rival.

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    • Calvin27 on 25/05/2026 - 14:05

      the webpage looks like the byd too lol.

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      • SetTheFaqUp on 25/05/2026 - 14:26

        Virtual car yard - same portal as what BYD uses.

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    • boomramada on 25/05/2026 - 15:16

      And the interior is cheap and flimsy.

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      • Buddy195 on 25/05/2026 - 21:10

        Had 2 MG’s and neither had issues with interior finish. What do you base your comment on?

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        • boomramada on 26/05/2026 - 11:46

          Based on a hire car, the door handle, seat adjustment, and falling apart, which was like a roughly two-year-old car. This would be a base model car, but still? I have driven a base model Lancer for 15 years, and havent had any issue. Compared to a Japanese car, pretty poor.

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          • Buddy195 on 27/05/2026 - 13:09

            @boomramada: I could say the same of a Corolla rental I had, it'd been abused and was about 2 years old.
            But rentals aren't the norm, people don't care about them…

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  • Heybargain on 25/05/2026 - 13:34

    There is a frunk in the sealion 7

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    • massari on 25/05/2026 - 13:36

      Sorry fixed

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    • kungfuman on 25/05/2026 - 13:56

      lol everyone is calling a frunk firstly these aren't teslas (where the name comes from) and secondly this isn't a frunk its a bonnet!! we are Australian!!

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      • onlinepred on 25/05/2026 - 14:23

        So you would say to someone, "can you put this bag in the bonnet"?

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        • SetTheFaqUp on 25/05/2026 - 14:27

          Make sure he/she doesn't put it ON the bonnet.

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        • kungfuman on 25/05/2026 - 14:29

          yes i do that now very easy to understand because people know what a bonnet is.

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          • onlinepred on 25/05/2026 - 14:31

            @kungfuman: Typically what is under the bonnet is the engine bay. So it's like saying "can you put this bag in the door"

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        • mskeggs on 25/05/2026 - 14:29

          Under the bonnet, yes.

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        • Jackson on 25/05/2026 - 14:49

          Only interested if it's a bonut

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      • fantombloo on 25/05/2026 - 14:37

        Froot?

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      • Punkboy on 25/05/2026 - 14:37

        I think it would be called a froot in Oz.

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        • kungfuman on 25/05/2026 - 14:44

          yes everyone likes a good froot.

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      • krisspy on 25/05/2026 - 14:42

        Buddy the term frunk/froot was conned long before Tesla was a thing. They popularised it sure, but it wasn't invented by them.

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      • placard on 25/05/2026 - 14:50

        Agree, americanisms irk me too.

        I think it should be the boot and the front boot hehe.

        Just like in the Taragos back in the day it was the back and the 'very back' - meaning the 3rd row.

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      • bargaino on 25/05/2026 - 20:55

        Bonnet??! It's a "froot" ya flamin' drongo.

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  • CharcoaI on 25/05/2026 - 13:36

    Love that is has some actual buttons for climate control!

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    • Captain Yobbo on 25/05/2026 - 15:49

      Oh thank god someone can finally turn off climate change

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  • qvinto on 25/05/2026 - 13:39

    There are like 50 mid-size 5-seater EV options in Australia now..when can we finally get some full size 7 seat EV options?! The only one seems to be a $100k+ Kia Ev9. A Toyota Kluger is one of the most common cars around, so there is obviulsy a very high demend for these vehicles. Yet almost zero EV options.

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    • massari on 25/05/2026 - 13:41

      I agree with this. I am sure they will come thou…

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    • Big L on 25/05/2026 - 13:41

      Not all Klugers are 7 seaters though. They're cheap LandCruisers.

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      • spackbace on 25/05/2026 - 14:42

        Not all Klugers are 7 seaters though.

        Wut?

        Yes they are

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        • Big L on 25/05/2026 - 14:49

          Sorry, newer versions are. They used to be 5 & 7.

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          • zealmax on 25/05/2026 - 18:12

            @Big L: They have been 7 seaters since 2014.

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    • CharcoaI on 25/05/2026 - 13:44

      Agreed - The Zeekr 9x is coming soon I believe.

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      • AlbiesDad on 25/05/2026 - 14:32

        I'm placing my bet that the 9X will launch at 130k+ driveaway.

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      • Tambani on 25/05/2026 - 15:19

        Not a BEV though. There is a huge market for competitors to the Tesla Model Y L.

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      • Captain Hindsight on 25/05/2026 - 17:55

        looking forward to 007 hopefully

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    • tightm8 on 25/05/2026 - 13:47

      With birth rates declining, the max amount of kids people are having is 2. The 'need' for a 7 seater is becoming even more of a luxury and niche market. The only people I know in Sydney having 3 kids+ are those living in the bible belt (Hills district) and SW Sydney.

      The more common approach i'm seeing in families is two cars to help parents divide and conquer especially weekends. Having one big 7 seater is rarely needed and expensive.

      Hence so many 5 seater options, the sellers know the market more than you.

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      • donkcat on 25/05/2026 - 13:52

        7 seaters arent really that viable for families of 3+ kids, they are so you can do the sports run, school run etc and take a group of kids and then put the seats back up for space. They arent at all comfortable to have as permanent 7 seater (for the back row)

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        • krisspy on 25/05/2026 - 14:46

          Sure they are, the back rows fit kids perfectly. Problem is people trying to use the 3rd row for adults. Perfectly fine for in-laws but not others.

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      • qvinto on 25/05/2026 - 15:42

        Just becasue you personally don't know peoplpe with 3 kids that mean they dont exist. I know 20+ people with 3 kids. there are many people who had a singleton + twins. All drive 7 seaters. None have an EV since there are barely any options.

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      • Duff5000 on 25/05/2026 - 16:52

        Sales of the Kia Carnival keep going up though, not down.

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      • Spets on 25/05/2026 - 20:55

        *Anglo birth rates are declining. Imports will keep going.

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      • Ryanek on 26/05/2026 - 11:09

        It's more about able to take the Grandparents along.

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    • klaw81 on 25/05/2026 - 13:51

      Mid-size SUVs are easily the biggest segment of the market, which is why everyone is targeting that segment.

      Klugers are actually one of Toyota's less popular models. Sales of the Kluger are less than 20% of the smaller RAV4, half of the Corolla and even slightly less than the Camry.

      From Carsales 2025 data in Australia:
      Toyota RAV4: 52,000 vehicles
      Toyota Prado: 26,000 vehicles
      Toyota Corolla: 19,000 vehicles
      Toyota Camry: 9,900 vehicles
      Toyota Kluger: 9,600 vehicles

      I believe Denza has a 7 seater coming in a similar format to the Kia Carnival - which is a much more sensible approach than an SUV.

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    • Pcoder on 25/05/2026 - 14:12

      There is a 7 seater, EV and cheaper option, which is the ID.Buzz LWB, which is going from 84,990 driveaway (Still a very expensive price).

      There will be more coming, a few more Chinese options and even if you want a known brand, Toyota will be releasing an EV version of the Kluger (Highlander) in the States and plans for other markets. I think it will eventually get here, but maybe a year or two.

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      • cornflakes on 25/05/2026 - 14:38

        VW will drop the price on the ID Buzz once Kia launches the PV5 shortly. They're already overwhelmed with people wanting to order the cargo version.

        Don't know how they're going to price the passenger version but the cargo version is already a heck cheaper than an ID Buzz.

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        • navman on 25/05/2026 - 14:58

          The PV5 doesn't really compete with the Buzz, it's shorter and 5 seater only.

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          • cydia9k on 25/05/2026 - 15:42

            @navman: Nah they have 5, 6 and 7 seat versions coming (unconfirmed), but not on a timeline that suits me, and maybe not even by the April 1 cutover to new FBT rules

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    • GY666 on 25/05/2026 - 14:17

      you have Tesla Model YL now, good enough for 2 kids

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    • cydia9k on 25/05/2026 - 15:41

      Model Y L, 6 seater for 82k drive away

      Not cheap, but EV9 pricing is a joke

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    • tunzafun001 on 25/05/2026 - 16:09

      Jaecoo J8 PHEV will be seven seats only.

      5 seater (petrol only ) has a spare wheel.

      7 seater takes away the spare mount…grrrr.

      I don't want the ant seats…

      Spare wheel mount should be mandatory. Doesn't mean you need to buy a spare if you don't want .. but the mount should be there.

      Was first in a head on accident scene with a spare wheel coming from the back, through their dog, exiting their face. Went through windscreen and lodged into caravan they had a head on with (the actual car went inside/ under theirs).

      Won't forget that ..ever.

      Please don't just chuck a spare in the back…and always secure your pets.

      ADR - of all the rubbish you do pick on..just make a spare mount mandatory!!

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      • V2L on 26/05/2026 - 11:19

        i'm not sure why all 7 seaters are PHEVs. it's like they didn't do any market research re: the NL FBT exemptions. they could have had govt. policy supercharge their product launch, instead they are letting the overpriced YL sell

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        • tunzafun001 on 26/05/2026 - 11:23

          I wonder if it's a battery load thing… Ie. The original outlander PHEV draws 64kwh from a 12kwh battery. Just too much on the little battery..

          Wonder if they are protesting the battery (with potentially 7 humans + towing something + a car already weighing 2+ tonnes) with an ICE to help out.

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          • Duff5000 on 26/05/2026 - 15:51

            @tunzafun001:

            The original outlander PHEV draws 64kwh from a 12kwh battery.

            I assume you mean it outputs/draws 64kw? (kwh is a measure of energy storage just to be clear)

            I don't think the output power to battery storage is a big issue. Keep in mind your average regular hybrid has a similar electrical output and a battery of around 1kwh.

            Probably more of a packaging issue. Mitsubishi could fairly easily add a hybrid system to an existing platform. Changing it to a full ev though would need basically a complete redesign from the ground up.

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        • klaw81 on 26/05/2026 - 11:54

          Nobody designs cars specifically for the Australian market. Our FBT rules have a near-zero bearing on how vehicles are designed.

          Remember, a 7 seater BEV would need to have a rather large, heavy and very expensive battery. PHEVs are much easier to develop than BEVs, and to make a significant improvement in fuel economy and emissions (important for most markets) without increasing the base price too much.

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          • V2L on 27/05/2026 - 09:39

            @klaw81: they aren't designed for australia, there are many many 7 seater EV options in the chinese domestica market including existing RHD models for europe and other global markets. it's a matter of deciding which model to introduce to australia

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            • klaw81 on 27/05/2026 - 10:01

              @V2L: Fair enough - it seems I misunderstood the intention in your original post. Which models are you thinking of?

              Maybe it's just a volume thing? I expect that 7 seater EV minivans would be a fairly niche market in Australia, considering the likely RRP for such a vehicle.

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              • V2L on 27/05/2026 - 11:11

                @klaw81: the BYD SL8 for example has a BEV version. I was hoping for an affordable 7 seater EV option but looks like all the incoming 7 seaters are PHEV (e.g. Zeekr) with the possible exception of Leapmotor if it ever makes it here. MPV wise the Denza is a bit vanilla and probably out of budget for the average family, but interested in the Xpeng X9 when it eventually gets released

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              • Duff5000 on 27/05/2026 - 21:18

                @klaw81: Kia are selling about 11,000 carnivals here a year so there seems to be the market. As long as they don't look as stupid as the Hyundai Staria.

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                • klaw81 on 28/05/2026 - 08:18

                  @Duff5000: How many Carnival buyers do you think would be willing to consider buying an EV 7-seater SUV from BYD for an extra ~12k (total guess) instead? Maybe 15% (2,000 cars a year)?

                  Also, what's wrong with the Staria? It's a classic people mover shape like the old Tarago.

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                  • V2L on 29/05/2026 - 07:09

                    @klaw81: problem with those 7 seaters are they are really 5+2s and getting into the back is a nightmare if not impossible with baby seats. Carnival is really the only option if you have a family that will regularly use the 6th and 7th seats. an EV carnival would do well but probably not at the price Kia can make possible

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                    • klaw81 on 29/05/2026 - 08:04

                      @V2L: Totally agree that people movers like the Carnival are vastly more practical and better laid out than any SUV 7-seater.

                      And I can totally understand that an EV version of the Carnival is an appealing prospect. I just don't think there's enough buyers who are willing to spend the likely purchase price on such a vehicle yet.

                      I suspect that the first real options will come from a Chinese manufacturer, rather than Kia

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                      • V2L on 29/05/2026 - 19:26

                        @klaw81: yes exactly, hopefully we'll get some competition with well designed family suitable people movers under 70-80k to drive down the price

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                  • Duff5000 on 29/05/2026 - 20:28

                    @klaw81:

                    …for an extra ~12k (total guess) instead? Maybe 15% (2,000 cars a year)?

                    Carnivals are mid 50's to mid 70's. I dont think a chinese manufacturer would need to be 12k over for something competitive. I was thinking more like undercut the carnival pricing with a PHEV and maybe match with an EV.

                    If the GAC m8 for example could be significantly cheaper than it is if it didn't have all the luxury inclusion.

                    Also, what's wrong with the Staria?

                    🤮 https://i.imgur.com/oHMO9ws.png 🤮

                    Its just wrong. Its also gutless and really could do with the power bump from an electrified option.

                    I have a 90's delica and they already look weird. https://i.imgur.com/sIfAztu.png

                    The Staria looks simlar but with novelty oversized windows.

                    It's a classic people mover shape like the old Tarago.

                    Which is probably why they move around 1/10 the numbers of the carnival.

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    • Duff5000 on 25/05/2026 - 16:47

      Same boat here. There is very little EV or PHEV 6/7 seaters.

      There are some what i would call 5+2 seaters (something you could squish a kid in if you pushed hard enough) and a couple of luxury people movers like the GAC M8.

      Personally i'd love an ev take on the old Mutsubishi Delica. 4x4 van but one that doesn't drink diesel at 15l/100km.

      GWM might be bringing in a reasonable 7 seater PHEV once they bring out the hi4z version. The current phev version of the tank 500 loses the 7 seat option to fit the battery in.

      Chery are coming out with the tiggo v https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/2026-chery-tiggo-v-rev… (probably also phev though)

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      • qvinto on 25/05/2026 - 20:44

        Kia Carnival EV is the dream

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        • Duff5000 on 26/05/2026 - 15:59

          Yeah we have a diesel carnival now and they are really practical.

          The available competition to it all are going too luxury IMO. I don't care in the slightest about 'zero gravity' massage seats in the back for the kids. I'm surprised none of the chinese brands have done similar trim level to the kia and undercut them on price.

          GWM are apparently bringing in the Wey (green mountain? IIRC) but i assume it will be the same deal as the GAC m8 (really expensive)

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          • qvinto on 26/05/2026 - 16:03

            @Duff5000: Yes! The Kia is the only one that does not look like it is commercial van pretending to be a car that ends up looking like somone just took a fridge and stuck a horrible giant shiny grill on it - all the other people movers look terrible. It's been like this for years. I can't believe all other manufacturers are just letting the Carnival dominate this whole market for so many years.

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      • jayzee on 26/05/2026 - 11:45

        BYD Sealion 8 is a 7 seater, but very hard to climb in to the back row.

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    • onoff312 on 25/05/2026 - 20:51

      Tesla Model Y L is out and 70ish has 6 seats

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      • qvinto on 25/05/2026 - 21:02

        Yes, that is one of the few options. However, it is more like 80k, and I also hate Elon Musk and don't want to give him money. Hoping for some cheaper Chinese EV options.

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      • bradleyha on 26/05/2026 - 08:52

        There are a couple of practicality issues with Model Y L because they made it 3x2 seats. If you have three kids then you always need to have a seat in the third row up so you loose half of your boot and a kid is exiled to the back. And when you fold the second row you are left with a big gap in the middle! Why couldn't they just keep the 5 seater, extend it and add a third row?

        Our Santa Fe works perfectly, when we need to take my mum, one or two of the kids go to the 3rd row. Just wish it could be plugged in :D

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        • qvinto on 26/05/2026 - 12:51

          I think it's because the chassis was not properly designed to fit a third row, and you can't get in directly to the third row by going behind the second row seats; instead, you need to go through the gap between the second row seats.

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    • windwai on 25/05/2026 - 21:54

      I want a smaller MPV EV.

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    • Trawler on 26/05/2026 - 07:28

      You got the Ioniq 9, vw buzz and next year Skoda Peaq. Not sure the Highlander ev will get here but maybe a subaru variant?

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    • serpserpserp on 26/05/2026 - 10:08

      I just want all this mid sized EVs to be 40k drive away

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      • V2L on 27/05/2026 - 09:41

        Jaecoo gets close

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  • dyara15 on 25/05/2026 - 13:48

    I'm not too familiar with MG but is there a 6 or 7 seater EV SUV on sale here? If so, what is the model name and starting cost?

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    • klaw81 on 25/05/2026 - 13:53

      The Tesla Model YL is a 6 seater. There are some niche options like the VW Buzz.

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      • dyara15 on 25/05/2026 - 13:57

        I've seen the Tesla YL and a few others (Kia EV9, Zeekr). However, I wonder if MG has any 6 or 7 seater EV SUVs on sale in this post as I would be interested to know what they are selling for.

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    • cheekymonkey on 25/05/2026 - 14:03

      have you considered clicking on the link to the website?

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      • dyara15 on 25/05/2026 - 14:19

        I have but I wasn't able to find what I was looking for hence why someone with more knowledge about MGs may be able to help. I did come across a model though that doesn't seem to have been released in Australia yet though. But I wonder if there are any currently available in time for EOFY deal sales.

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        • Duff5000 on 25/05/2026 - 16:56

          Their 7 seater is the QS and its not available as an EV.

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  • seb on 25/05/2026 - 13:53

    The 674L boot claim does not sound like VDA Test Standard - sounds like Tesla test methodology (ie measured volume up to the roof not up to the level of the rear seat).

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  • Naigrabzo on 25/05/2026 - 13:54

    10-80% times are poor though. If it had 800V architecture (now old tech from 2022), then I think this would be a cracker deal.

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    • Mokr on 25/05/2026 - 13:55

      same speed as new teslas

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      • Calvin27 on 25/05/2026 - 14:04

        rwd tesla is under 6s.

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        • Save 50 Cent on 25/05/2026 - 14:26

          We are talking charging speed. Nobody here is planning on participating in the upcoming drag racing competition in Ipswich.

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      • Naigrabzo on 25/05/2026 - 14:09

        10-80% in 38 minutes is woeful in 2026; regardless of brand. Apprently BYD atto 3 is going to have flash charging…. 10-80% is about 3 minutes (it is for the Denza Z9 GT; not sure about atto). 3 minutes is still about 1.5 minutes too long but we must compromise.

        This is vastly better ergonomics compared to Tesla.

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        • BargainDog on 25/05/2026 - 14:39

          The 1000 kW / 1 MW chargers will be few and far between for quite a while. Charging at that speed needs serious grid infrastructure, and outside major capital city areas and key highway sites…… Australia doesn’t have much of that yet.

          Considering most roadside/petrol station chargers are 150–350 kW, and it charges at 144KW. It's still slower, but the 1MW chargers in the future won't be a factor for people who want a "cheap" car with 10 years warranty.

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          • Duff5000 on 25/05/2026 - 17:03

            @BargainDog:

            Charging at that speed needs serious grid infrastructure, and outside major capital city areas and key highway sites…… Australia doesn’t have much of that yet.

            I think its more a function of bulk battery prices than anything to do with our grid.

            Just take a current charging location, park a container full of batteries and they soak up power from the grid slowly when its available.

            They can then discharge at 1MW many times thought the day as cars pull up.

            It could actually be a good way to soak up all that excess solar production we have during the day across much of the country. They would be buying the power for free or potentially being paid to take power when rates go negative.

            Edit: to be clear, not meaning to argue about it, just discussing where things are headed.

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