I used to think SMH was legit but they are indeed as dogshit as the Daily Telegraph. I could not find any reporting on the controversial UK stabbing. Search nowak or digwa.
Can't find anything.
Is there anything worth it out there?
I used to think SMH was legit but they are indeed as dogshit as the Daily Telegraph. I could not find any reporting on the controversial UK stabbing. Search nowak or digwa.
Can't find anything.
Is there anything worth it out there?
I would say just because of how topical it has been online and the resulting protests / controversy in the UK that I am surprised it hasn't been covered a bit more widely as it would certainly get some clicks, it's not like our news services are completely Australia only news stories anyway. The Age does have a 'World' section and this particular store is currently there (albeit after this forum post was created).
Can't really blame them for not prioritising it. Journalism is taking a hammering these days, I doubt they have enough reporters to write about everything. Oftentimes, international stories are just syndicated from other sources.
What are you talking about whites and white privilege? The story was about a Polish descent boy getting stabbed by a Sikh immigrant. Is the white privilege in the room with you now?
The 'but he was Polish this isn't a white supremacist dog whistle' shield getting held up by closet Nazis even while Farage is out there using it as a talking point is insane.
What are you saying? Where are these Nazis doing what you say?
Dude had white skin, stabbed by somebody with brown skin, who falsely claimed a racist attack
From what you're telling me it sounds like there was some sort of racial profiling by the police against the "white" victim and they were at the very least negligent in their duties.
It's probably because we're and ex-british colony, that is part of the Commonwealth with huge diplomatic and historical ties to Britain.
We speak English in this country FFS. How can you not connect the dots as to why it would be understandable to report on UK news.
"White privilege" is a bullshit term used to try to elicit guilt. White European people globally are actually in the minority of the world population, so I have no idea why we are continually calling non-white people the "minorities"
Who hurt you lol
None
Not even news.com.au’s comments section? That even beats Rockbottom
The only correct answer here…
I get my news from Australia's premier bargain site. (Just found out about this UK occurrence).
Shame your comment isn't at the top with thr rest of the comments deleted… Since it's the only right answer.
Exactly. News should be free for everybody because its only job is delivering the truth to the people - not the agenda of their owners.
From where do they generate their revenue?
what are you waiting for?! start a free newspaper and distribute to everybody
Im sure everyone on ozbargain would subscribe.
Why do you want to pay, the ABC ran it.
Also to echo the above it happened on the other side of the world so go and read about it on the BBC (or if you really like paying for media, the Times)
Thank you. I was going mental at how everyone was getting mad over the story not being ran in Australia when I literally read about it in the ABC
it happened on the other side of the world so go and read about it on the BBC (or if you really like paying for media, the Times)
But it's not "international" news in the sense of hearing about Kenyan politics or bollywood celebrity trivia, it's directly related to our lives here in australia, and in all commonwealth/western countries, which in recent years have been following a shared political path, extreme immigration, anti-white and pro "diversity" rhetoric, etc.
The trick to ABC is to ignore all of the "personal anecdote" articles, they're pretty easy to spot thankfully. Their reporting outside of them is still quite good.
This is what I do, anything labelled 'deep dive' 'explainer' 'analysis' or 'expert opinion' is an immediate skip. Unfortunately you can't remove these using their own filters.
I just want fact reporting, not interpretation of the facts
When Buttrose took over they turned into local Aussie stories, which were always of supermarket magazine quality. I really don't care that Rhonda of Fairfield found a really rare fish in her pond.
I also don't care about Jim who's 43 is struggling to buy food for himself either though. It's a national news website, report on the levels of homelessness, not a specific individual.
Rhonda of Fairfield found a really rare fish in her pond.
Speak for your self.
Seriously though, 'Jim' puts a face to the statistics that you so crave. Without Jim, no one would watch.
@tenpercent: I bet I can find the same article in a Woman's Weekly from the 90s. It's not a new thing.
I bet I can find the same article in a Woman's Weekly from the 90s.
Yeah, back when we had a recession.
Odd thing is, Buttrose, formerly from Women's Weekly, isn't even at the ABC any more.
And I don't recall anyone pretending that Women's Weekly was an authoritative source of "news".
Im not surprised hes struggling, you cant usually buy food on a news site
We have enough stabbings in Australia to report so why one from the UK?
Because the sikh perp accused the "white" victim of having been racist, so the police handcuffed and arrested the victim, even though he told them he'd been stabbed but they didn't believe him, and he died on the ground with police doing nothing to save him, as a result.
Because the perp was allowed, because it was a required religious practice for a sikh male, to carry a dagger, when anyone else would be arrested by the police for that.
This has well and truly stirred up the anti-immigrant far-right in Britain. That it showed the "woke" priorities of the police in that country in this age, that they considered an accusation of racism as higher priority to investigate and deal with than an accusation of having actually been stabbed.
Ok then its a big stuff up by the UK police by the sound of things. What does it have to do with Australia that would warrant Australian media covering it?
They covered the George Floyd events?
@Rickysupertramp: Massively - and although what happened to him was awful and unacceptable, George Floyd was a scumbag, where as this English las most certainly wasn't. It makes me laugh that the liberal elites and their media lapdogs are called for this murder not to be politicised yet that's exactly what they did when Floyd was murdered.
@R4: Yeah precisely. It was an engineered movement and when you see who its biggest donor was it all begins to make sense.
Explains why suddenly in the middle of the cøvid nonsense, all distancing rules were suddenly exempt.
@Rickysupertramp: Yep. I also find it interesting that when George Floyd was murdered, all of the West's liberal elites and champagne socialists took the knee in protest and to honour him. I'm not seeing any of that for Henry Nowak.
@R4: Well put.
I wouldn't necessarily go as far as orchestrated, but I felt the same.
You can tell when something is organised and supported by rivers of cashflow, or conversely, when it is by chance and a composite of many independent actions coming together. This was not that.
@Rickysupertramp: For anyone is wondering why Reform/Farage are gaining such popularity in the UK, this case is a reason why.
Ditto PHON here (although for maybe different reasons).
@R4: Yeah precisely mate. They're steamrolling the popularity vote at the moment.
Just be careful with PH. She says all the good stuff but she's another one of the controlled opposition installed in politics. If you keep an eye on theyvoteforyou.org.au anytime there's important votes. Have a look and see whether she voted for the people or abstains on crucial votes. There's a bit of a history there.
@R4: I believe they may have learned their lesson from the resulting fallout over the handling of George Floyd though.
50 odd more deaths, thousands injured, international protests, thousands of arrests and billions of dollars in insured damage. No record of damage this caused to people's property that wasn't insured.
If they didn't learn their lessons from the 1992 LA riots, surely the George Floyd drove the lesson home for them.
Once again, we're at a precipice. A powder keg just waiting to be lit and reach flash over. Last thing the world needs right now. (If ever).
@R4: The difference would be that, in the case of Floyd, the State (ie police) actively murdered a citizen who was in their custody.
@RecklessMonkeys: Sure but the UK state, via the racist attitude and incompetence of some of their police officers, killed (although, not murdered) Henry Nowak.
police officers, killed (although, not murdered) Henry Nowak.
That's still a long bow. The neighbors called police and an ambulance. He died before it arrived. So any incompetence on the part of the cops did not effect the arrival time of the ambulance. Unfortunately, the moment he was stabbed, he was going to die.
The person who killed Henry Nowak is in jail.
@RecklessMonkeys: Maybe but some doctors have said that he was going to die while others have said that he would have lived if the officers had done their jobs properly. We'll never know but those cops fkd up and made racially biased decisions - as per their training, aka the state
@R4: The court cited the examining doctor as saying that the severed vein wasn't accessible and that no emergency action would've helped.
There's going to be an inquest. It sounds like Henry was bleeding internally.
I don't know what their training is, but imagine showing up - one guy claims that a 'drunk' guy attacked him. That can be enough to bias the situation.
We know that the murderer is a pathological liar. The cops have to deal with uncertainty in the moment. They shouldn't have cuffed him, but beyond that I'd wait for the inquest before reaching a conclusion.
@RecklessMonkeys: I agree but you kind of just did (as did I in reality).
Hopefully the inquest is free and fair and gets to the truth.
They covered the George Floyd events?
Which came with graphic pictures that had already generated global responses and renewed agitation and exposure from the pre existing BLM movement in an environment brewing the perfect storm just waiting for flashover.
@Brianqpr: In Australia we would call the police officer's inaction and failure to render assistance to a stabbed man who then later died criminal negligence. In the UK it would be gross negligence manslaughter. The cops were partly responsible for the death in this situation.
In Australia we would call the police officer's inaction and failure to render assistance to a stabbed man who then later died criminal negligence.
Not automatically. Negligence doesn't quite work like that.
Something something about having a reasonable belief.
The court evaluates what an ordinary, reasonable person in the accused's position (so in this case, an on duty police officer would be the objective reasonable person, a higher expectation than a member of the general public) with the same knowledge of the circumstances at the time would have believed and done.
Knowledge doesn't just extend to what the accused knew about the actual situation, but will also call upon any training they may or may not have too. Any policies or prescribed procedures.
Also remember, it has to be proven what the accused did "know" or "ought to have known".
@Muppet Detector: I would be surprised if their training instructed them to simply ignore claims from a member of the public saying they had been stabbed as they lay incapacitated on the ground. An ordinary member of the general public would at least enquire more about the claim. "Where have you been stabbed? Should I call the Ambulance?" They wouldn't just say "nah mate ya haven't" in a nonchalant dismissive way like some sort of sadist who was personally involved in the stabbing and was trying to gaslight their victim in their final moments for some additional sick & twisted psychological torture.
@tenpercent: Oh, were you there? You know what really happened, eh?
I think that you are making scenarios up or at best responding with 20/20 hindsight with no appreciation for what was actually happening in the moment.
@Muppet Detector: Did I claim that? Where? Strawman much?
We know the boy told the police he had been stabbed. That's not in dispute.
We know normal minded general members of the public wouldn't dismiss and contradict that.
We know police and other emergency services personnel should be held to a higher standard than general members of the public.
The dots really aren't difficult to join in this one, MD.
We know the boy told the police he had been stabbed. That's not in dispute.
No, it is not in dispute, but this was not known by the police officers despite both of them trying to verify and locate his claims.
We know normal minded general members of the public wouldn't dismiss and contradict that.
They didn't. Both officers tried to find out where the man was stabbed, or if he even was.
They still didn't know that he had been stabbed when he became unresponsive and called the ambulance.
We know police and other emergency services personnel should be held to a higher standard than general members of the public.
Yes.
The dots really aren't difficult to join in this one, MD.
There are not enough dots available for you to jump to the conclusion that you have.
would be surprised if their training instructed them to simply ignore claims from a member of the public saying they had been stabbed as they lay incapacitated on the ground
I just rewatched the video.
It is clear that neither officer ignored his claims. They asked him where he had been stabbed, when they received no response, both officers tried to search for where he had been stabbed, there is no obvious blood that I can see in the video.
Even as the police were ordering the ambulance they were still not aware that he had been stabbed.
It all happened in less than two minutes from when they first responded to the call, to attempting to assess the situation to the man becoming unresponsive and the officers calling the ambulance.
@tenpercent: Yes, but have you watched the video? Both officers were trying to find out if he had been stabbed. They did not ignore his claims as you said they did.
They probably also had to consider that he was in some way intoxicated which was why he was not able to respond to the officers who were actively looking to see if he had been hurt.
They probably had not even had the opportunity to determine if it was a life or death situation (it doesn't seem like they did think this in that two minute window when they were trying to establish the facts).
As soon as they realised he was unresponsive, they called for the ambulance and still did not know at that stage that he had been stabbed.
At this point, they were not even aware that anybody else even had a knife (or something with which to stab him). They had no indication that any weapons had been involved.
As soon as they realised he was unresponsive, they called for the ambulance and still did not know at that stage that he had been stabbed.
He told them. They did know. They should have believed him or treated the situation as if they did believe him.
The bodycam footage shows Nowak stating "I've been stabbed" and "I can't breathe" multiple times while lying on the ground.
So "they didn't know" just doesn't cut the mustard.
He told them. The did know.
LOL how many times a day do you think these guys get lied to.
They didn't know. They couldn't find any stab wounds, weren't aware of any weapons and still did not know when they called the ambulance.
They should have believed him or treated the situation as if they did believe him.
Dude, both officers were looking for where he had been stabbed. They hadn't found it. Thus they didn't know if it was even a serious stab wound.
The bodycam footage shows Nowak stating "I've been stabbed" and "I can't breathe" multiple times while lying on the ground.
Yes, and they were trying to work out where he had been stabbed and why he couldn't breathe.
How are they supposed to assist before they have been able to assess the situation? They didn't even have enough information to tell the ambulance.
Plus I think they were trying to help him sit up at one stage, I don't think they just "left him lying on the ground" out of neglect or callousness. When they became aware of him struggling to breathe, it appears that they attempted to move him into the recovery position (I think female officer said he had vomited, possibly what restricted his airway from their perspective) where they became aware of his unresponsive state and immediately called the ambulance - still not aware that he had been stabbed.
So "they didn't know" just doesn't cut the mustard.
If they didn't know, it might just have to. They are police officers, not clairvoyants.
Ok then its a big stuff up by the UK police by the sound of things.
It's more than a stuff up when every "anglo" country in the world has promoted this behaviour in "hate" and "diversity" legislation, and every major corp HR training has onboarded the same.
It's actually textbook systemic racism, ironically.
@ssfps: But you deserve it because some ultra wealthy people who had the same skin colour as you were even badderer hundreds of years ago. And no we won't mention that the direct descendant of one of those ultra wealthy badderer people is our head of state because the purpose of all this is to stir up various factions of peasants against each other, not against their rulers. /s
Hey guys apparently not wanting to be stabbed is "anti immigrant far right"
Not just woke police. This is close enough to be a carbon copy of the events that kickstarted the blacklivesmatter movement, yet you don't see anything happen with that kind of force in this situation.
Close enough, except George Floyd was a known criminal and ex convict. This was an innocent kid, just turned 18. Studying for a better life.
The media directly controls public reactions, and frankly, the don't give a rats ass, nor is there the kind of billionaire donor money funding it this time round.
BLM started years before George Floyd, it was a response to a young black man killed while handcuffed in custody in Ferguson, Missouri.
@Skinnerr: Yes, I understand that, however it was the donors catalyzed by the George Floyd death, and the event paired with media coverage that ignited the movement. I'm not delegitimizing parts of it, but the parallels and hypocrisy in its reportage are unmistakable. Even the dying words are said to be the same.
If this kid dying doesn't count because he was white, then frankly anyone taking that stance really needs to recalibrate their moral compass, or realize what the media is doing to them to distort their views.
This is close enough to be a carbon copy of the events that kickstarted the blacklivesmatter movement, yet you don't see anything happen with that kind of force in this situation.
Black Lives Matter was not created as a response to George Floyd's death. It was a movement that had already been established about ten years earlier. Whilst it did not cease to exist, it had fallen into the background, so it was already ready to launch back into the spotlight.
George Floyd's death presented that opportunity in what was already a perfect storm waiting to erupt.
The media directly controls public reactions,
The media will respond to what is being agitated and petitioning for attention.
The BLM response wasn't about George Floyd per say, he was just a convenient 'excuse' (can't think of the right word) for the general public to express their frustration and outrage at life in general.
The video recording served to highlight the brutality and excessive force and stimulate reactions far better than any written account ever could.
For the black persons who were frequent victims of prejudice, it confirmed their experiences and provided proof to those who never realised, cared about, or acknowledged their daily reality, that segregation, ingrained racism and inequality still existed and was a natural part of their lives.
It didn't matter that George was a criminal. When that footage was released, nobody knew about that. The public were merely responding to obvious police brutality of a black person that could not be denied or watered down.
By the time George's identity and history were revealed, the BLM campaign was already in full force and continuing to gain even more momentum with anything negative seen as the authorities making excuses to minimise those actions.
If this kid dying doesn't count because he was white, then frankly anyone taking that stance really needs to recalibrate their moral compass, or realize what the media is doing to them to distort their views.
It's not that it doesn't matter because this victim is white, it is likely because there isn't a pre existing organised movement ready to agitate reactions and responses.
There's no confrontational footage showing brutal aggressive force to stimulate emotions, merely words describing a passive reaction as opposed to graphic evidence of intentional and direct force.
@Brianqpr: Not a lot different mate, he repeatedly told the cops he couldn't breath and had been stabbed only for the cops to say 'no you haven't mate', roll him over, hand cuff him and read him his rights. It is a horrible look for the cops in both cases.
@Brianqpr: OTOH he was a criminal and there was a legitimate reason to restrain him, unlike this white stabbing victim.
Swings and roundabouts.
OTOH he was a criminal and there was a legitimate reason to restrain him, unlike this white stabbing victim.
Swings and roundabouts.
Except the police were not aware of his criminal standing when they restrained him. They didn't even know who he was. This did not become known until they identified him after his death.
Police were responding to a 911 call from a local shop claiming that an unidentified man had used a counterfeit $20 note to pay for cigarettes.
When those police officers approached and restrained Floyd, it was purely in response to that non violent forgery complaint. They didn't even know who he was, far less anything to do with his criminal standing.
It wasn't an accusation. The dude was dying in a pool of blood and had visibly been stabbed at least 7 times. The police all put on gloves because the man was lying in such an extensive pool of his own blood.
He is implying the SMH has a political bias, at least in what it chooses to cover.
Which is true, but the least of the problems with the once-great SMH.
The internet killed it, specifically the loss of the "rivers of gold", the classified advertising revenue.
Seems pretty reported to me.
There's two stories about it on The Guardian Australia front page. Judging by the tone of your post however I doubt you'll take the advice to read The Guardian.
I personally get all my news from the forums section of Australia’s foremost bargains sharing website.
do you really want the news?
bargains are all you need
You could try an aggregate site like Ground News
It has these features:
* Bias Rating - Shows left/center/right leanings for every source
* Blindspots - Highlights stories one political side covers but the other doesn't
* Comparison View - Shows how different outlets report the same story
* Reliability Scores - Rates each source's factual reliability
paying for a sub just to read one random news article from the UK is not the Ozbargain way
yep, great way of seeing all the titles from both sides!
Love how this story is presented by "The Guardian" and Ground News shows their bias :P
MichaelWest is the only one I know about. But they tend to focus on the important stuff, like high level corruption in the government. Some random stabbing in another country is not a prime concern to them
Guardian is okay for a lot of stuff.
Really though, I think the age of getting news from a single trustworthy source is dead. I feel you are better informed by subscribing to blogs and substacks, written by local people on what they have personally observed.
Michael West is national treasure for reporting on some stories of corruption and scandal that simply get covered-up and hidden by industry, politics, and media fear of backlash (that is: shying away from defamation cases, etc.)
That said… His stuff should also be taken with several grains of salt. He is basically an old crackpot. He spends a lot of time speaking in tongues making vague "implications" of corruption without stating his accusations plain and simply, and, lately he spends a grandiose amount of time chalking every single gripe with Australian politics as being caused by "the Israel Lobby's genocide in Gaza."
Sure, grandpa. Take your meds.
MichaelWest is no different, someone here put me onto them, but some of the biased tripe they publish is no better than the bias BS by the mainstream media.
They aren't perfect, but if your system of analysis allows you to compare an A student and a D student and say "Well, they both get things wrong, don't they?", then I think you need a new system.
What i would like is media that just reports the damn news, not puts a far right, or in the case of michaelwest, a far left spin to it. That includes no political spin, or vested interests.
@outlander: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/michael-west-media-bias-and-c… I consider being even further left than ABC far left. Redflag is extreme left.
@gromit: What scale are you using to judge?
For me, I don't think of extreme, it's just centre, centre right, and far right. Extreme is not in the equation.
By that metric, far left would be would be nationalizing all large business and confiscating their ill gotten wealth. Left would be allowing them to exist, but taxing them disproportionately high. Centre would be taxing them moderately, but allowing them to exist under fair rules, giving them protection at the cost of expecting certain responsibilities. Centre right (which is where we are) is taxing them lightly, plus giving them incentives to help them grow. Far right would be not taxing them and giving them privileged status while demolishing the things (like unions or workers rights) that get in their way.
Michaelwest atm is mostly focused on getting BHP to not get away with underpaying their workers and then using the court system to silence and reporting on that so they can keep doing it (and expand the program). By the above metric, that would be a pretty centrist take.
Michaelwest atm is mostly focused on getting BHP to not get away with underpaying their workers and then using the court system to silence and reporting on that so they can keep doing it (and expand the program). By the above metric, that would be a pretty centrist take.
The fact they have a political agenda at all is a massive problem, whether I agree with the agenda or not. That makes them less of a news site and more an activist site and that certainly is not a centrist take.
@gromit: You know, if you want people to take you seriously, your arguments need a better basis than because I said so
Most stories in the UK dont get reported in Australian papers. Im not sure thats bias. If you want UK stories you can read a UK paper.
But any newspaper you subscribe to is going to carry some amount of bias in it. You can read a few news sources to get a more balanced opinion.