Speeding with Tesla FSD V14 Standard Mode and Flashed by Red Light Speeding Camera

Hi guys, I used Tesla FSD V14 and noticed the standard mode usually speeding for 1 to 2 kph. Today when I was passing by an intersection with a red light speeding camera sign, which has a speed limit of 70kph, I noticed it was driving through by 71-72kph and there is a flash in the rear, which I believe that I was flashed by that time. How long will this kind of fine showing in my service NSW APP and is that possible they will ignore it considering it was only 1 to 2 kph over the speed limit? I cross checked the speed readings on my Tesla with the gps speed reading on my phones and believe it is quite accurate. This is the first time I got a very clean driving record, If I am fined is it likely to dispute and get a warning instead?

Update: not getting the ticket yet. I double checked the video footage as I saved it immedeiately and I got a GPS speed meter and confirmed the following:

  1. the light was green, it was 11pm and there is no school zone.
  2. the flashy was clear and exactly happened when I was entering the intersection, from the footage I couldnt see anyone going faster than I did, not sure about they other direction though.
  3. the fsd was driving behind a vehicle which was 62kph and changed the lane then speeding up from 62 to 71. when it was flashing, my gps meter showed 71, the tesla meter showed 71 as well. that was from memory but I am very confident as I was noticing the changing lane and speeding up behavior, and took an extra notice of both of the meters' readings. I cross checked the speed meter with my gps speed meter, there is no clear difference, no delta or anything. gps has a small latency for less as the speed is updated per half second.

Update after 10 days: no fine received, looks like we are good. My FSD did another 72 in another intersection of A28 and M5 in Casula, I checked the GPS speed meter again and it was 71, there was no flashy at all.

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  • Not possible you got fined for doing 71-72km/h
    cameras always have a -3 km/h delta for inaccuracies
    either you won’t get fined or you did more than what you got

    • I got one for 61 in 60 in Queensland 12 years ago. I have the pic.

      • Was it 61 after the tolerance was deducted?

        • Dont know. The street speed had been reduced a month before maybe thats why.

      • Tolerances were essentially removed when ADR 18/03 was introduced requiring the CAR speedo to always report under the actual speed.
        Contrary to myth, there isn't an actual standard tolerance by state, depending on the device use there may be a 2km buffer (not percentage like the old days), this comes down tot the manufacturers specifications.

        <TLDR> If you receive a fine for <1km over, you were likely doing well over the limit. After market wheels are a very common cause.:)

    • Agreed - won’t get a ticket for 1-2kph over which is FSD Standard in Australia - I’ve proven this!
      FSD Hurry is 3-5kph over - chance of a ticket here
      FSD Chill is usually about 1kph under
      FSD Sloth is 1-10kph under - definitely don’t use this profile in the right lane or be ready for road ragers behind you!

      And yes if you have a 10 plus year record with no tickets, you can write in to “maybe” get the fine waived if not much over limit - once only

      Red light/speed camera flash going off - might have been for another car (assuming it was 70kph and only doing 1-2kph over)

      And no Tesla FSD does NOT speed up through an intersection!

      And red light camera doesn’t go off until it’s been 1-2 seconds on RED - hence the term “red light camera”

      • Jesus! Don't they have a setting for FSD "I just want to do the speed limit"?

        • Only on FSD plus max

          Elon says it's coming 2018 2019 2020 2021 2022 2023 2024 2025 2026 next year

          • @OZKap: Ah, the same model that can also take you to Mars then.

        • No, they used to have a max speed setting but they explicitly removed it. According to Tesla, telling it what to do apparently goes against the concept of "Full Self Driving," even though the current incarnation isn't actually capable of "Full Self Driving" without supervision.

        • There is a Standard mode which is between Hurry and Chill.

        • Used to have a speed setting with the scroll bar just like cruise control up to fsd v13.2.9, but then v14 came out. In Australia it’s now at 14.3.5 and changed to profiles so the scroll wheel just changes profiles.

          Keep in mind that Teslas speedos are out by 1kph, so 72kph is actually a real 71kph by satellite speed checks so you are actually only going 1kph over on Standard.

        • It is called hurry mode for a reason or chill for another

          • @PerthectDeal: More accurate and factually correct if it is called "Break the law mode".

      • From my last appeal: red light camera starts taking photos 0.6 sec after red signal.

      • Umm, is this is a joke/sarcasm? I just can't tell anymore.. Full service drive has these "modes"? and there is going to be an fsd plus max?

  • On your first day in prison, punch the biggest guy you see.

  • Can’t win with speeding or red light. Wait around 7-14 days.

  • The NSW cameras don't trigger for 2km/h over so either you were doing more, you're imagining the flash, it was capturing someone else or you ignored a timed speed zone like a school zone or road work and it wasn't 70 when you passed through.

    As for appeal, unlikely. What's your reason? You just don't want a fine? It's the fault of FSD (so you're admitting you weren't in full control of your vehicle which can bring other charges)? Good record (don't think that counts for anything any more)?

  • Natural selection in action.

  • FSD FFS

    • Fast Speed Detected Flashed For Stupidity.

  • So you admit to speeding.
    You also admit you can afford fsd so you can afford the fine.
    Guilty !

  • Drop a note to Musk on fsd on X. You may end up getting abused by him or few Tesla shares.

  • Yeah I tried hurry mode and consistently 4-5km over speed

  • if its genuinely only 1-2km/h, i doubt youd even get the fine. In fact, i dont think itd even flash if its only 1-2 over. i thought it was like 3km/h over. Theres a chance it flashed someone behind you, if not the opposing traffic. Worst case scenario it did flash you, but usually an actual person looks at it.

    Also with the FSD im pretty sure you can set the speed, I know with mine and the auto pilot feature, you can scroll the wheel down to lower the speed.

  • I’ve watched numerous Tesla FSD trial videos on YouTube and noticed the regularity that yellow/amber lights are ignored.
    As you state that this was a red light speeding camera, any chance you entered the intersection after light changed to amber?

    • Perhaps they shouldn't be completely ignored, but yellow/amber lights CAN be.

      They call red light cameras red light cameras for a reason. Because they only detect cars entering intersections after the light goes red, and even then only after a further short time has elapsed.

      • You're supposed to stop on amber if safe to do so. The point is however that many people speed up to catch the light which triggers the speed part of the camera. Perhaps FSD also does this.

        • No, FSD doesn't do that, even in hurry mode.

  • Why doesn't OP just review their camera footage?

  • Just send the bill to Elon and he'll pay it

  • Just checking, are you running standard tyres?

    Not too sure about Tesla's, but most other cars have their Speedometers calibrated for the standard tyre size. If you changed tyres to one with a higher sidewall profile (not sure if it's possible with Tesla given how tight the gap is), the Speedo will be wrong. With my previous set of tyres, 60km/h on the Speedo was around 56km/h. With my new tyres, 60km/h on the Speedo is closer to 63km/h.

    Edit - sidewall profile is relative to the width, so going wider with the same sidewall profile will be taller and hence have a larger circumference and your speedo will be out. Ie. 50 profile on 225 is 112.5mm, 50 profile on a 265 is 132.5mm.

    • Most smart people, if they go wider, will drop in side profile so the rolling diameter is the same as original calibration.

      • For my case, not many tyre options left for 285 wide 18 inch tyres still in production so I just picked the closest options and adapted my driving.

  • I'm gonna have to comment this and seek your opinions. I have had and still own a tesla for about 6 years now but have never thought of FSD as something to trust my, my family's and others' life on. Or even a small dispute over the car's judgement in the heat of the moment, who would you blame or hold accountable. I guess it's ultimately the driver (similar analogy to AI, all while the consequence can always be significant on the road) but if that is the case would you rather be "driving" and own 100% of the fault or whatever that had been caused..? Like, would you blame Elon or Tesla car for the damage it may have caused or could have avoided.. i understand FSD has come a long way and had shown to be exceptionally smart and useful for the most of its users.
    It just has been my ethical dillema and i could never sign up for FSD, i just drive with my full attention on the road. I cannot say that i will be better than FSD in all situations, it's just the liability and the driver feeling "not guilty", "unjust" when FSD has caused something. That being said I occassionally use Autopilot (aka lane keeping cruise control) on the highway / motorways while traffic is very low to reduce the fatigue.. i dont know how you guys think

    • I briefly drove a Tesla with FSD and it was horrible. You just don't know what it's going to do next or when to take over. As a control freak and a lover of driving I prefer to be in full control of my manual cars than relying on tech.

      • my colleague never used his ever since the FSD cant keep it its lane when navigating a local roundabout.

    • If a car is self-driving then I don't want to be responsible for what it does. If I am responsible then I don't want the car taking over.

      If all cars were self-driving there would probably be fewer accidents but mixing human drivers and automated drivers is a problem.

      As an experiment, initially a stretch of motorway could be designated as a mandatory self-driving road. An AI could control all vehicles on that motorway. In exchange the max speed could be higher, and dynamically adjusted during congestion (I know we already have some variable speed limit motorways but when they drop the limit nobody complies). While the AI is in charge, human drivers would not need to pay attention to the road. Obviously there are many issues with doing this particularly as older cars without the capability would have to be banned from that road.

    • exceptionally smart

      Really? Drive a Tesla briefly and it took me into someone’s driveway across the road instead of taking the right 4 houses away!

  • Had to laugh at an article I saw of one state in the US (Mississippi?) where you got booked for anything, even 1 mph, over the posted limit. And what was the fine for up to 10 mph (16 km/h) over the limit? US$10 (AU$14).

    • But it’s okay to be drunk behind the wheel at up to 0.08% lol

      • … in USA - anything goes so long as you can pass the standard field sobriety tests

      • Same as in the UK, yet they have some of the safest roads in the world. Go figure. Not that I agree with drink driving, but it was always one of those rule of thumb things, head to the pub for lunch, two pints was fine to drive back to the office. Times change.

        That said, low range (0.05-0.079) here was treated more like a speeding ticket until 2018, when mandatory suspension came in. The UK has a higher limit, but the punishment is more severe - minimum 1 year ban, min 3 years if caught twice in a 10 year period. Getting 1 year is for those a bit over the limit, 18-24 months is more common for those at 0.1% and higher.

        • My comment was tongue in cheek.. I don’t really care about speeding fines or alcohol limits as I don’t speed and don’t drink at all when driving

        • There's 32 references on this scientific research study conducted for the USA NTSB -

          https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4448946/

          Quote:

          "The National Transportation Safety Board recently recommended that states establish a per se blood alcohol concentration (BAC) limit of 0.05 or lower for all drivers who are not already required to adhere to lower BAC limits in a national effort to reduce alcohol-impaired driving. There is strong evidence for adopting this recommendation. A comprehensive review of the literature on BAC limits was conducted. The research indicates that virtually all drivers are impaired regarding at least some driving performance measures at a 0.05 BAC. The risk of being involved in a crash increases significantly at 0.05 BAC and above. The relative risk of being killed in a single-vehicle crash with BACs of 0.05–0.079 is 7–21 times higher than for drivers at 0.00 BAC. Lowering the BAC limit from 0.08 to 0.05 has been a proven effective countermeasure in numerous countries around the world. Most Americans do not believe a person should drive after having two or three drinks in 2 hours. It takes at least four drinks for the average 170-pound male to exceed 0.05 BAC in 2 hours (three drinks for the 137-pound female). "

          Research studies referenced at 5 and 6 talk to fatal accidents between 0.05–0.079 BAC:

          5. Zador PL, Krawchuk SA, Voas RB. Alcohol-related relative risk of driver fatalities and driver involvement in fatal crashes in relation to driver age and gender: an update using 1996 data. J Stud Alcohol. 2000;61:387–395. doi: 10.15288/jsa.2000.61.387.
          6. Voas RB, Torres P, Romano E, Lacey JH. Alcohol-related risk of driver fatalities: an update using 2007 data. J Stud Alcohol Drugs. 2012;73:341–350. doi: 10.15288/jsad.2012.73.341.

          Research studies referenced at 7-9 refer to impairment existing at 0.05 BAC:

          Laboratory evidence shows that most adults are significantly impaired at 0.05 BAC [7–9]. For example, Moskowitz & Fiorentino [8] reviewed 112 scientific papers regarding the effects of alcohol on driving-related skills published between 1981 and 1997. They concluded that, by the time subjects reach 0.05 BAC, the majority of experimental studies examined reported significant impairment. After testing 168 drivers in another study, Moskowitz et al. [9] concluded that most of the driving population is impaired in at least some important measures at BACs as low as 0.02 BAC.

        • you still on about that, I remember you quoting those very old numbers in other topics which have been proven WRONG in study after study since then and you were corrected in those topics too. BAC levels above 0.5% show significant increases in impairment.

        • Thank goodness your incorrect statement has been heavily debunked already.

  • you know you can set your car to drive under the speed limit….

    • I was going to say. know someone with tesla, they say specfically in self driving it always goes slightly under the speed limit.

      to make it go faster you have to force it in settings or press the pedal while self driving.

    • Even if cruise control was set at 71-72, the car's true speed would be most likely under 70

      Australian law requires this on all vehicles.

      • not exactly, sometimes cruise control goes over the speed limits, specially when it is a downhill

        • Even if cruise control goes over the set speed such as downhill, your true speed is still under what the Speedo says. That's my point.

  • If anyone wants a laugh just check the tesla owners group on FB. It's pure comedy with some of the questions that get asked and every 2nd post is someone backing into a pole or scraping a wall despite all the cameras…

    • To be fair, its the same with all car groups on FB.

      • You should see the Toyota group…..

  • Are you sure it wasn't an average speed camera? It might try to measure everyone and use your plate number to track you between cameras.

  • read comments fast but I don't think anyone is mentioning this one thing. I think Hardlynormal was the closest.

    this might be a bit of a infohazard but don't even drive or have a car and I know that the speed shown on the car is NOT the actual speed, it's actually 1-2kph less. add to that what Hardlynormal said you have to be going around 3kph over the speed to actually get caught by camera. so OP if you were definitely doing 72kph then you did not get a fine. the camera likely flashed because of another car near you going faster than you.

    this is not a excuse to go 75kph all the time btw please follow the speed limits.
    and just incase you think Tesla is diffferent, but no also watched a norwegian guy who tests many EV's range, and he showed even in Tesla the shown speed is 1-2kph higher than actual speed he measures with some GPS thingy.

  • Was the light changing just as you went through? Could it have been the red light camera going off rather than the speed camera? In which case you should be OK if you were already in the intersection before the light changed.

  • Please keep us posted

  • People really externalising accountability onto their cars that THEY'RE IN CONTROL OF now?

    Also FWIW red light cameras won't clock you for 2-3kmh over the speed limit, it kicks in above this,
    Either that or you went through a red light.

  • Just because the camera flashes doesn't mean you'll get a bill. I had one flash at me and the bill never arrived. Just sit tight and wait. No need to stress.

    Also, you are always responsible for what the vehicle does. Even if FSD is enabled.

    • Yeah, depends if you bought something or not.

  • You should not be fined for going 71-72 in a 70 zone.

    If your speedo is showing 71-72, your real speed would be roughly ~5% less.

    My mazda cx3, if I turn on cruise control at 70-100, google maps on my phone states I am going around 4-5km/h less which is technically the true speed.

  • The cameras will single flash to calibrate every now and then. Double flash is when they got you.

  • is your tyres off market and bigger than standard?

  • Bro turned on Ludicrous mode and thought he could get away with it 😀😀😀

  • Dont stress! If you get fined, pay it and move on 🤣😜

  • Merged from FSD V14 Speeding - No Fine after Several Weeks

    I had a topic earlier:
    https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/972355#comment

    In this topic, I explained that the FSD was driving on Standard mode and the red light speeding camera flashed against me while I was passing one of the intersection. I confirmed that the flash came from the speeding camera from my rear with video saved and no other vehicle going through the red light, or faster than me when it was flashing. After several weeks waiting, there is no fine came through. I did some testing then with a much more accurate GPS speed meter borrowed from a tyre shop, and can now confirm Tesla's speed meter always 1KM/H-2KM higher than the actual speed. When it said 72KMH, the actual speed is ranged at 70.3-71.2KMH. Notice this may vary if you have a newer or older tyre as the diameter of the tyre also affects the actual speed. I used standard mode passed through several other intersections recently with 82@80 or 62@60, no flash noticed since then.

    I didn't test the Hurry mode, and I confirmed the actual speed with the GPS speed meter is can sometimes exceed the speed limit for ~3.2 KMH. I wonder if the red light speed camera has that much tolerance. Maybe someone can spend hundreds $$$ and let us know.^_^

    • Who cares.

    • FFS

  • In Victoria the cameras both in cop cars, fixed or mobile are super accurate and checked and calibrated regularly. Historically you got 2km/h leniency due to accuracy and this carried over to the modern days and it is still the case. On top of that, there is another 2 - 3 km/h leniency by the fixed and mobile cameras (depending on a number of factors) and between 5 and 10 by cops (unless they are an ass).

    TLDR: If the road max limit is 70 km/h, the likelihood of getting a fine is

    • nil if you are doing 73
    • likely 74 to 75 by fixed/mobile
    • highly likely 75 and above by fixed/mobile cameras
    • likely 80 and above by cops and
    • In addition to this, from memory, I think the cars are not allowed to be 100% accurate and need need to show a higher speed than actual shown. This is further accentuated by the thread of the tires as they get lower.

  • I bet you were doing 77kmh

    • not sure what you mean if car showed 77kmh it's a definite fine why bother to post it.

  • Tesla is so dystopian.

    • There are two flashes for red light offences. To ensure its not a case of a vehicle that has been detected stopping just past the stop line. There isn't the same need for two flashes for a speeding offence, though they may do it anyway.

      • There isn't a need but they do take at least 2 images in the evidence so they can't claim that another object triggered the camera.

      • Thank you, yes of course.

    • Lots of roads are 70

      • In Qld we have loads of 50 and 70 roads… because they all used to be 60 and 80 and they reduced most of them

      • Be fair. They are from Canberra where 60 zones and roundabouts reign supreme.

        • Its either 60 or 80 with roundabouts 😉
          Even in Adelaide, hardly any 70 zones lol

          • @boomramada: I live in regional Vic and most of the roads in town are 70. A few 80 spots then all the arterials into the town are 100. 40 in the school zones and 50 in the tourist hotspots because tourists in unfamiliar towns are the worst drivers in the world.

            • @MS Paint: How could I forget, a while back cops were waiting for SA drivers at the borders for a slight drop in speed. That was 110 to 100.

        • Loads of 70 and 80 zomes in Canberra

          • @gromit: Queanbeyan isn't Canberra :P

            At no point in this conversation did I say there is no 70km/h; they are around, but not as much as 60km/h or 80km/h. People who say there are plenty need to go out more. 70km/h is like people who can't make up their minds between 60km/h or 80km/h; they just add 70km/h so the government can get a bit more traffic fines.

            • @boomramada: I replied to MS Paint "They are from Canberra where 60 zones and roundabouts reign supreme."

            • @boomramada:

              People who say there are plenty need to go out more.

              Lol - most hypocritical statement of the month award right here!

              You are the one that is asserting they aren't common with your head stuck in that taxes-absorbing blackhole centre of the universe (sorry, "Canberra"), to the point of questioning the OP's own recollection of the speed in their story (which is probably captured on Tesla cam), challenging multiple people on here are telling you 70km/hr zones are common in some other parts of the country… So, perhaps you need to go out more to see them?! (Conversely, I can't see how I'm going to see less 70 zones by going out more!)

              For example, a commute I did for years the roads were 1x 50, 2x 60s, 3x 70s, 1x 90 and 1x 80 as just a very brief transition between the 70 and 90 zone that were both much longer than the 80. An alternative route had 5x 70 zones and no 80s.

              We can't all have well-funded, sterile, masterplanned boring roads so out here like many areas they reduced many speed limits from 80 to 70km/hr to cope with the chaos and congestion and poor roads.

    • It's not the speed that unalives, it is the change of velocity in certain conditions that unalives

      • Impulse makes you sleep with the fishies mmk?

    • Don't live.

      Life kills.

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