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Nissan Leaf Drive Away: Leaf 39kWh (270km Range) $39,990, Leaf e+ 59kWh (385km Range) $49,990 @ Nissan

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Nissan Leaf Drive Away: Leaf 39kWh (270km Range) $39,990, Leaf e+ 59kWh (385km Range) $49,990 @ Nissan
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navman on 09/05/2024 - 08:05 nissan.com.au (6308 clicks)
Last edited 09/05/2024 - 10:43 by 2 other users

For those who missed out on the Peugeot e-2008 deal, this provides a good alternative for a Japanese built EV. Range is low on the base model, only 270km. It also has CHAdeMO port for DC fast charging, so it may be harder to find a compatible fast charger on the road. However, if you charge at home, it uses a standard type 2 plug for AC charging. Additionally, battery does not have active thermal management, so range may drop off further in several years. I would do thorough research before committing, but seems like a good deal given the usual price is $50k+.

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    • klaw81 on 09/05/2024 - 08:36
      +12

      Short answer: very safe. EV fires are extremely rare - about 20x more rare than petrol and diesel vehicle fires.

      The idea that batteries "tend to explode on collision" is a myth. They can withstand enormous G-forces without any issues. Batteries tend to catch fire when pierced, or when charged incorrectly.

      • Caped Baldy on 09/05/2024 - 08:40
        +5

        It's just because it becomes newsworthy when it happens even though it is very rare like plane crashes.

        • gakko on 09/05/2024 - 08:54
          +6

          China is also the land of no one following regulations. Can only imagine the temo chargers that some people just be using.

          • Caped Baldy on 09/05/2024 - 10:26

            @gakko: There's over a billion people there so shit is more likely to happen.

        • rooster7777 on 09/05/2024 - 09:00
          +14

          I have no idea about the statistics on EV fires…. but
          "There are EV burnt out every month in china" is a ludicrous statement.

          There are houses burnt out every month in china, in australia, in mumbai, in london, in timbuktu.
          There are ICE cars burnt out every month in china, australia, mumbai, london, timbuktu
          there are people hit by lightning every month in china, mumbai, US, transylvania, serbia

          get my point? a half arsed statement intended to create a false impression of risk likelihood aint worth spit.

          • littlesoldier on 09/05/2024 - 09:09

            @rooster7777: Its the same as how some people dislike Heymix charger
            Yes, there are chances of burnt out, but others have no issue with them
            People will aware of those 0.1% chance of accidents even they are actually not significant

    • frostee on 09/05/2024 - 08:38
      +5

      Of all the arguments against EV’s this has got to be one of the worst.

    • Papa Huggies on 09/05/2024 - 09:25
      +8

      My favourite thing about OzB is the thinly veiled right wing agenda on the front of "just asking questions", whereas you could just type it into Google and read a paper, but if you type it in a public forum it can sow doubt and push a false agenda.

    • dealsucker on 09/05/2024 - 09:45
      +3

      Battery makes Tesla Model Y the safest car ever tested. Terrible I know. Who wouldnt want to die in a ball of petrol fire like a man

  • dean771 on 09/05/2024 - 08:26
    +9

    Hard sell with the limited range and limited charging

    • spicygastropod on 09/05/2024 - 08:52
      +2

      Leaf e+ range is fine at over 350km. Agree for the regular Leaf unless it’s just your city car.

      • 811b11e8 on 09/05/2024 - 10:47

        That's starting range - leaf's range drops quicker then other EVs. Especially if you are somewhere with more extreme weather.

  • Kanjus on 09/05/2024 - 08:29
    +8

    The advantage of this car is vehicle to grid/load. So can be used in lieu of a solar battery to a degree.
    Very few evs have this

      • gakko on 09/05/2024 - 08:55
        +5

        The cost to replace a battery seems on par with home solar batteries tbh. Will be good to see the hit to capacity over time from such use. I think as a second car it works.

        • Spendmore on 09/05/2024 - 11:09
          -1

          The cost of a battery is generally more than using the grid for the length of the battery lifespan. This is why the uotake of batteries at home is so low, it may change as energy costs rise but thats how it is now.
          The car battery is comporable in price to a home battery bu you have infrastructure installation costs on top.
          Couple this with dofferent or non existing BMS at home and yeah the battery life could be a lot shorter.

      • rooster7777 on 09/05/2024 - 09:01
        -6

        I'm a bit thick spendmore… can you explain to me why at least 2 buffoons have negged your entirely accurate comment?

        • Spendmore on 09/05/2024 - 11:10
          -3

          Leaf drivers, who cares 🤣

      • MagnamoniousRex on 09/05/2024 - 09:35
        +2

        You know that ev batteries just reduce the range a little bit, right? I'm not even exaggerating, long term testing has shown EVs lose roughly 10 percent of range every 200,000km, and that's on batteries 10 years or older.

        For reference, the average Aussie drives less than 140,000km every 10 years.

        So you're looking at losing roughly 10% of range in 15 years.

        You'd probably not even notice.

        • 811b11e8 on 09/05/2024 - 10:48

          That's not Nissan leaf batteries. That's batteries with good management.

          Plenty of leaf's floating around that can only do about 80k range now…

          • Nom on 09/05/2024 - 11:13
            +3

            @811b11e8: Early Leafs only had a range of 110Km.

            A reduction to 80K after 10+ years isn't bad going.

            I work with a guy who has one just like this. His 80Km range is more than enough to get him to work and back each day, ready for the overnight charge - his old Leaf is just fine for him.

          • ZloyKrys on 09/05/2024 - 15:02

            @811b11e8: Those are 1st gen Leafs. There's been at least two major changes to both the car and the battery, one in 2016 restyling and the deal is for the second generation of the model, it's totally different

        • DmytroP on 09/05/2024 - 12:13
          +1

          The battery degradation depends mostly on time and heavily on temperature (which is higher during charging, especially fast charging, and much higher during use with a very poor leaf thermal management of leaf batteries).

          For leaf, interesting stats from UK: https://www.nimblefins.co.uk/study-real-life-nissan-leaf-bat…

          So after ~100.000km or 6.3 years the battery indicator dropped from 12 bars to 7 bars, closer to 50% of battery capacity.
          In Australia, the degradation may be faster due to the higher average temperature.

          • ZloyKrys on 09/05/2024 - 13:42
            +1

            @DmytroP: I am not exactly a Leaf fan but the quoted article has a gross assumption that the ZE1 generation Leaf behaves the same way as the ZE0 generation (they mentioned it in the article) which is an abject failure visible to anyone who'd bother to look up differences in battery architecture between the two generations. When looking at 6 yr old Leaf cars from Japan, a 2018 model at roughly 80-100k on the clock reports 85% or above SOH. This is very different to a 6 yr old ZE0 cars and suggests the entire concept of extrapolated battery behavior made by that site has nothing to do with reality

    • justtoreply on 09/05/2024 - 08:45

      Sounds like the most expensive way to achieve that, and on vehicles with low range and no thermal management I couldn't think of a worse idea of how to use the battery

      • MagnamoniousRex on 09/05/2024 - 09:36
        -1

        How is it more expensive to buy 1 EV than to buy 1 EV + 1 home battery?

        • Spendmore on 09/05/2024 - 11:12

          Install costs, I would expect with poor BMS on the leaf battery discharging at home that it wouldn't last as long either.

        • justtoreply on 09/05/2024 - 12:56
          +2

          The problem is that the battery in the leaf will be custom, expensive, and when you degrade it early, your $40-$50k car isn't worth shit.

          You don't degrade your car for something that can be achieved easily using generic setups. There are off grid setups that are achievable on the cheap without buying tesla powerwalls too, depending on your needs.

          Going by the above comments, if the leaf was designed better, maybe this wouldn't be an issue. But it's not designed better.

    • ZloyKrys on 09/05/2024 - 09:05
      +2

      It's very theoretical as the house side unit (Wallbox Quasar) was only approved in SA and nowhere else, used to cost $10k to install and was withdrawn from sale 18 months ago without replacement.

      • SuiCid3 on 09/05/2024 - 10:08

        There are actually others around Australia.
        SA was the first, but others have followed.. albeit, very, very slowly.

        In Sydney:
        https://reneweconomy.com.au/this-is-the-future-how-my-ev-ear…

        • ZloyKrys on 09/05/2024 - 13:13

          Where is a link to an approved solution that can be installed right now, all these articles about we could and we should is exactly what I mean, it's all theories.

          Also none of the CCS plug cars sold in Australia now support bidi charging and chademo is dying

  • kungfuman on 09/05/2024 - 08:32
    +6

    CHAdeMO thats seriously limited if you want to go on long trips not many chargers now adays are supporting CHAdeMO, so your going to end up forking out for a CHAdeMO to CCS 2 adapter

    • Haribo on 09/05/2024 - 08:47
      +3

      Going back to the dongle days

    • Nom on 09/05/2024 - 09:26
      +3

      If you want to go on long trips, then this is entirely the wrong car.

      Buy this as a city car or work commuter - it's not a road trip car.

      • kungfuman on 09/05/2024 - 09:30
        -4

        people will got on long trips regardless of the car. There is not such thing as the "wrong" car.

        • PainToad on 09/05/2024 - 09:32
          +3

          There is not such thing as the "wrong" car.

          How about buying a Yaris to take on the beach?

          Or buying a Yaris to tow heavy loads.

          Of course there is such thing as a wrong car for a certain use case 🤦‍♂️

          • kungfuman on 09/05/2024 - 09:37

            @PainToad: I have seen people try to tow a caravan with a Yaris so I wouldn't think it doesnt' happen people will do anything.

        • MagnamoniousRex on 09/05/2024 - 09:41
          +1

          How many long trips have you gone on where you didn't stop once?

          Kids get bored, bladders need emptying, people get hungry. The vast, vast majority of people wouldn't even notice the issue if it wasn't constantly hammered on by people trying to sell fossil fuels.

          • kungfuman on 09/05/2024 - 09:43
            +2

            @MagnamoniousRex: its also illegal to drive more than 4 hours. you have to stop for 30 min minimum. also if you can hold your bladder for longer than that then your not drinking enough fluid.

            • klaw81 on 09/05/2024 - 09:52

              @kungfuman:

              its also illegal to drive more than 4 hours

              Source? I'm not aware of any law to this effect.

            • Randolph Duke on 09/05/2024 - 10:08

              @kungfuman: If you're a track driver your employer may enforce you taking a break, but that's not a law.

            • R4 on 09/05/2024 - 10:15
              +1

              @kungfuman: It's not illegal. Yet another urban myth.

              • justtoreply on 09/05/2024 - 13:04

                @R4: This regulatory advice provides guidance on fatigue in the heavy vehicle transport industry and outlines obligations under the Heavy Vehicle National Law (HVNL).

                Its illegal for truckies, basically.

          • Spendmore on 09/05/2024 - 11:26
            +1

            @MagnamoniousRex: 1 to 2 minutes to fuel up with petrol, how long do you want to sit with the kids charging on a nice hot day?

            • klaw81 on 09/05/2024 - 11:47

              @Spendmore: Why is the car hot? The car AC can remain running during charging, and it will make almost zero difference to the overall charge time.

              Once everyone gets out to stretch their legs, get some fresh air, grab a snack and visit the toilet, it's really not any great inconvenience. I find that a 20-25 minute stop every 2-3 hours driving is a perfectly reasonable and sensible cadence for road trips, and especially so when travelling with kids.

              • Spendmore on 09/05/2024 - 12:04

                @klaw81: Every 2-3 hours you stop for half an hour?!
                Does the 20 minutes fully charge that 2-3 hr range in the leaf?

                • klaw81 on 09/05/2024 - 12:50
                  +1

                  @Spendmore:

                  Every 2-3 hours you stop for half an hour?

                  Depends on the trip, and how much further I need to go. But if we stop to get a coffee at a cafe, or get a quick feed at Maccas, the car is going to be stopped for at least 15 minutes- plenty of time to get a solid charge in.

                  Does the 20 minutes fully charge that 2-3 hr range in the leaf?

                  Not on the Leaf - it's pretty much the worst EV ever made, and nobody in their right mind should buy a Leaf unless it's less than $10k, and even then you definitely shouldn't be trying to take it on road trips.

                  • Spendmore on 09/05/2024 - 13:07

                    @klaw81: Fair enough for your usage, it would certainly be painful on a long trip here in WA, no maccas for for a long time sometimes.

              • R4 on 09/05/2024 - 13:57
                +1

                @klaw81: Great if there's charger available. Not so great if not. 20 EVs turning up at a station with 4 chargers is going to be a lot of fun!

                The charging infrastructure needs to be upgraded by a factor of many. It will be interesting to see where the power is going to come from. I'm neutral on EVs but I've also been involved in HV electrical engineering for decades, and given current power generation, and what's planned and what's being replaced, I can't see where it is going to come from.

                Interesting times ahead.

                • klaw81 on 09/05/2024 - 15:04
                  +1

                  @R4:

                  20 EVs turning up at a station with 4 chargers is going to be a lot of fun!

                  I've never had to wait for a public charger yet. I am aware that it does happen sometimes - lucky me I guess.

                  In truth, it's pretty rare that I need to use a public charger at all - so far 95% of my charging has happened at home.

                  The charging infrastructure needs to be upgraded by a factor of many

                  Upgrades are undoubtedly needed, but the roll-out of public chargers already happening at a pretty decent pace and for the most part, it seems to be keeping pace with the rate of EV purchases.

                  There are clearly some more painful spots around the outskirts of Melbourne and Sydney, where EVs are most popular.

                  given current power generation, and what's planned and what's being replaced, I can't see where it is going to come from

                  I am mildly concerned by this, but I think the pace of EV adoption is slow enough for the changes to happen quite gradually without too many pinch points.

                  The pace of behind-the-meter solar and battery installations should do a fair bit to alleviate this problem, and using techniques like smart chargers and pricing incentives to maintain grid capacity is fairly effective.

        • Nom on 09/05/2024 - 10:09
          +2

          people will got on long trips regardless of the car

          What people are buying a Nissan Leaf to do long trips ?

          If I'm going on a long trip, then I'm going on a plane. I only need to be able to drive as far as the airport 🤷🏼‍♂️

          • pegaxs on 10/05/2024 - 15:31
            -1

            @Nom:

            If I'm going on a long trip, then I'm going on a plane.

            100% this… If I'm going to need to go 1,000km in a day, I'm flying, not driving… And people that complain that an EV cant do 1000km/charge yet drive a car that can only do 400km on a tank of fuel and drive it on a 30km round trip to work.

      • klaw81 on 09/05/2024 - 09:31
        +4

        Or buy an MG4 for the same price, use it the same way, and still be capable of road trips.

        There is absolutely no good reason to buy a brand new Leaf.

      • botchie on 09/05/2024 - 10:29
        -3

        $40k to buy a crapbox to get you around the city? yeah EVs are the future

        • Nom on 09/05/2024 - 10:34
          +3

          Huh ?

          A petrol city car like the Toyota Yaris is $32,643, and you have to put fuel into it regularly.

          Are you saying this is overpriced at $7K extra ?

          • klaw81 on 09/05/2024 - 10:40
            +4

            @Nom: Well yes - for the Leaf specifically. The range is already poor, and then it degrades quite quickly because the battery cooling system is a piece of garbage, and Nissan have never attempted to fix this well known flaw.

            But an MG4 for the same money is a much more sensible choice - not only does it better range and faster charging, but it's also surprisingly zippy, especially compared to a Yaris.

            • Nom on 09/05/2024 - 23:05

              @klaw81:

              Well yes - for the Leaf specifically.

              I agree.

              My post was referring to the shock of a $40K city car … which isn't actually shocking at all.

          • botchie on 09/05/2024 - 12:31

            @Nom: I would take a KIA for $26-7k any day over this POS

  • [Deactivated] on 09/05/2024 - 08:34
    -5

    That's an unbeleafable price.

  • easternculture on 09/05/2024 - 08:39
    +6

    270km range

    What is this? Car for ants?

    • nurbsenvi on 09/05/2024 - 08:48
      +7

      Centre for cars that can’t go too far

    • flubba86 on 09/05/2024 - 09:23
      +7

      It's perfect if you commute less than 100km every day and charge at home every night. This is not a road-trip vehicle.

      • maxbon on 09/05/2024 - 13:46
        +3

        But then you need a second car when you otherwise might do with one. Do yourself a favour and buy an EV with a decent range, fast charging capability (CHAdeMO is dead) and thermal battery management. A used Model 3 wouldn’t cost much more, but be a proper road trip car. Also look less embarrassing than the Leaf.

        • Trentgibbo3 on 09/05/2024 - 17:48
          +1

          Or you already have a larger petrol car that you do longer drives with. If I get an EV it will be a run around only.

    • MagnamoniousRex on 09/05/2024 - 09:43
      -1

      That's enough to go from Melbourne to Horsham, a 3 hour trip, how far do you think you need?

      • futureminime on 09/05/2024 - 10:28
        +2

        Is it? 300km, depending which side of Melbourne you're coming from. To be fair 3.5hrs and you said 3hrs. https://www.google.com/search?q=Melbourne+to+Horsham

        And to be honest that's the problem. Vehicles are currently being designed for a specific use and expanded them outside that isn't as easy as with ICE vehicles. I still try to refuel before a road trip but you'd better be sure you're at 100% before heading off to Horsham if you think you can squeeze in to recharge on arrival.

        how far do you think you need?

        Personally I'd like to be able to do that and get back, and think the 500-1000 km range will be the main range for EV vehicles in 10 years time. ICE vehicles still have the edge and for many will have the edge on refuelling for quite a while (if you don't have a way to charge where you live).

        Many combustion engine cars have scaled fuel tanks to let them fit in this range, including 36L from the new yarris to get you ~900km. https://www.drive.com.au/reviews/2024-toyota-yaris-zr-hybrid… Big SUVs will have twice as much (70L). Manufacturers have the luxury to choose the tank size.

        When EVs start coming with 500km as standard/minimum for entry level I think we will be at the tipping point. This will happen when production economies of scale for the batteries are at a level manufacturers don't need to compromise to keep the price down.

        We are well on the way, with CATL and BYD saying they will be able to make batteries at half the cost of 2023 production.
        https://thedriven.io/2024/01/25/worlds-largest-ev-battery-ma…

        • Caped Baldy on 09/05/2024 - 15:36
          +1

          ICE vehicles have had like 100 years to develop the technology. Let's give EVs another 10-20 years and it'll be really impressive.

        • MagnamoniousRex on 10/05/2024 - 09:16

          What are you doing in Horsham that you don't have time to charge while you're there?

          • futureminime on 10/05/2024 - 10:21

            @MagnamoniousRex: Not only about time - its about convenience and cost (this is OzBargain). Some of them are a bit of a stretch for Nissan Leaf usage, but not that much really.

            Example 1: I said I'm going to Horsham but I'm actually going to visit people in Quantong, but its Australia so you say the main town. I don't want to spend an hour or 2 in town every weekend trip to top up, and I don't want to make my mates pay to charge my car.

            Example 2: I'm actually going to Arapiles to camp, bushwalk and climb. Not going into town and rather than take a break we will swap drivers coming from town to get to the camp earlier.

            Example 3: I have access to solar / an energy plan that lets me charge offpeak at market spot prices. It's actually free/almost for me to charge overnight or at midday. An EV with a 100 kwH battery would probably cost $60-80 to charge from empty at a public fast charger. Slow charge $30-$40 off mains? So If I can charge at home that's what I'll do - I choose my fuel stations to save less money than that.

            Example 4: I am leaving for my trip directly after work. I've driven from Sunshine West to work in Frankston North and there isn't any charging in my secure carpark. So I then drive the 65km back again before picking up the family and going on my trip. 130km off the range

            Example 5: My car is used a virtual power plant as part of my house (the future is now, well almost for Australia). So I've just been cooking and running the house when we have dinner before we leave for the trip. Not starting on full range.

  • klaw81 on 09/05/2024 - 08:40
    +24

    I can't believe Nissan is still trying to sell this junk at such a price. The Leaf needs to be considerably cheaper, considering their lack of battery thermal management and subsequent inevitable rapid degradation and loss of range - this is the kind of thing that gives EVs a bad reputation.

    Competing vehicles from MG, BYD etc are superior in every way. For around the same price, the MG4 has more modern and rapid charging, much newer and better battery technology with proper cooling, 30% longer range, substantially better performance and a much nicer interior.

    • PainToad on 09/05/2024 - 09:01
      -6

      MG, BYD etc are superior in every way

      Except for the fact they’re MG and BYD. Immediate deal breaker.

      If I was to buy an electric car today it would be an Hyundai.

      • Caped Baldy on 09/05/2024 - 09:07
        +5

        If it's something that bothers you, some of the new Kia's/Hyundai's will be built in China. Only one I'm aware of at this stage will be the upcoming Kia EV5.

        • PainToad on 09/05/2024 - 09:09
          +3

          The location of manufacturing isn’t as big of a deal as the quality and track record of the company designing and servicing the products.

          Same as an iPhone and an Oppo are both made in the same country, but you can’t tell me they’re the same quality with the same level of after sale service.

          • beltdrive on 09/05/2024 - 10:10
            +6

            @PainToad: for real

            I watched a couple of YouTube videos about Toyotas assembled in Japan versus North America (thanks algorithm). tldr: cars assembled in Japan might be slightly better, but the difference is minute. Toyota sets the same quality standard for itself regardless of country.

            I would rather buy a car assembled in China from makes like Kia, Hyundai, Toyota or Honda over a make like MG any day of the week.

    • Caped Baldy on 09/05/2024 - 09:04
      +1

      Yeah, they didn't tailor it to other markets. No worth dealing with CHAdeMO.

      • Nom on 09/05/2024 - 10:12
        +2

        Given that you're going to be charging at home, this is a complete none issue.

        If you need to use commercial chargers, then this is not the car for you.

        (I would go so far as to say that if you can't charge at home, then stick to a petrol car…)

    • boomramada on 09/05/2024 - 09:12
      +2

      And I believe, this car should be around 20k and Tesla Model 3 should be around 40k. The market needs to be adjusted where ICE cars were for the average person.

    • navman on 09/05/2024 - 09:19
      -4

      All those competitors are made in China and pay taxes to the Chinese government. If you're OK with a considerable part of your money going towards an authoritative regime, actively participating in ethnic cleansing, well then that's on you.

      Ask yourself, if you were living in 1942 and Volkswagen had some killer deals, would you buy from them knowing the Nazi party was in power?

      Boycott what Chinese products you can, especially for these big purchases where there are alternatives available. It doesn't matter if a lot of individual components were made there, every little bit counts.

      • victorheaven on 09/05/2024 - 09:22
        +4

        Hence you recommended a crappy car?

        • navman on 09/05/2024 - 10:17
          -5

          That's your opinion. This is a bargain website and there is discounts to be had.

          • May4th on 09/05/2024 - 13:20
            +1

            @navman: Discount does not equal bargain
            I could wack a 100k rrp on these and give you 50% off

      • fuzor on 09/05/2024 - 09:45
        +2

        Great that you're comparing China to Germany in WW2…

        Did they do the same comparison when Australia invaded Iraq over WMD?

      • CocaKoala on 09/05/2024 - 09:50
        +1

        I'm not buying the Nissan junk either.

      • tetra on 09/05/2024 - 09:50
        +4

        Bro this is a bargain website, what's up with all the crazy people here injecting politics into deals. Go to reddit or facebook for that.

      • botchie on 09/05/2024 - 10:31
        +3

        its China not Israel

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