Kung Fu or MMA or Tai Chi ?

Guys i want to start with one of the above mentioned techniques. Can you help me understand what to start and why? My main 2 goals are self-defence and fitness.

I live in Endeavour Hills, VIC so any suggestions/recommendations of institutes around the area will be highly appreciated.

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  • +2

    I don't think Kung Fu or Tai Chi would do much for self defence. I wouldn't do MMA as there are so many elements to it and you'd spread yourself thin trying to learn the fundamentals, especially if it's not very serious training.

    I would do kickboxing (punches/kicks), muay thai (punches, kicks, knees, elbows, clinching) or wrestling (pick them up and slam/neutralise - most people would have no idea how to defend themelves) for self defence. Kickboxing or muay thai would probably be more fun to learn though. If you can't do either then I would just do boxing, but being able to do a discipline with kicking does unlock a whole new dimension to combat.

    • +1

      MMA normally encompasses boxing, kick boxing or/and muay thai and jiu jitsu (wrestling) of some form and would definitely be my choice if I was concerned about self-defence and fitness. I agree with BlazinPast, if you don't think you can handle the kicking and wrestling then go for boxing. Though kicking is hard at first, it's an excellent form of exercise!

      • -4

        I hold an 11th dan black belt in Tai Chi and I beg to differ!! 🥋

      • "I don't think Kung-Fu or Tai Chi would do much for self defence"

        … This is so wrong. Kung-Fu is a Self-Defence Martial Art. If Self-Defence is the goal, then choose Kung-Fu.

        • +1

          I think that MMA covers more bases as it's a combination of various martial arts. Or you could just go and find a good goju karate school which incorporates throws and holds etc (which you normally start to learn around brown belt level). Goju karate is an original karate form developed in Okinawa, an evolution of kung fu in a way. Avoid mcdojo's though ;)

    • +5

      Kung Fu IS self defence.

      I learnt a little Wing Chun Kung Fu as a child. It was created by a female and intended for anyone, but of use for those who are not particularly strong. Bruce Lee studied Wing Chun (among other disciplines).

        • +22

          But bruce Lee was a real martial artist too. That guy was so freaking fast and strong he could of beaten a lot of the guys now. He also is one of the pioneers of MMA. Don't diss the legend mofo

        • +1

          MMA is entertainment. Develop for pay-per-view and betting. Sure it has elements of self defence, but it's not its main purpose.

        • @supnigs super skids:

          That guy was so freaking fast and strong he could of[sic] beaten a lot of the guys now.

          Which guys? UFC champions? I highly doubt that!

        • -2

          @whooah1979:

          Sure it has elements of self defence, but it's not its main purpose.

          Which martial art has been tested in real combat more than MMA?

        • +1

          The MMA you see is ruled. Real combat anything goes. There's a huge difference there

        • @Scrooge McDuck:

          real combat

          Real combat as in used in conflict zones to kill humans? More people are by munitions than hand-to-hand combat.

        • @whooah1979:

          And more people are killed by disease than by munitions, but that's not what we're talking about.

        • @Scrooge McDuck:
          People that think that soldiers kill other soldiers in hand to hand have been watch to many movies. Those that thinks athletes trained for entertainment will whoop arse in a real combat needs a reality check.

          Anyway. I'll stop here as this is ot.

        • +1

          @Scrooge McDuck:

          Krav Maga?

        • +1

          Kung fu can sometimes be effective after 20yrs plus training to certain level
          Bjj can be effective after first lesson
          Bjj not very effective against multiple attackers unless high level
          Kickboxing works in conjunction with bjj/wrestling (basically MMA)
          Tai chi - lol
          Bruce lee would be an amazing lightweight MMA fighter if he knew what fighters know now

        • I know this will amaze you but Bruce Lee is a movie star and most of the things you see him do in movies are ridiculous.

          I think you got Jackie Chan and Bruce Lee mixed up… All Asians look the same right…

        • FYI, Bruce Lee was first and foremost a martial artist/Teacher who happened to become a movie star. His style you could say is the basis for MMA itself, i.e. adopting whatever works best from ANY style, including grappling, trapping, punching and kicking. Bruce Lee had quite a few documented fights (real ones not ring ones). It may be questionable about how well he would do in a fight but to call him just a movie star is ridiculous and his actual style is probably quite well suited to MMA itself.

        • @supnigs super skids:

          Bruce Lee also used to fight a lot of guys on the street and other martial artists at the time who doubted his skill. He smashed each and everyone of them. He was Chuck Norris' teacher. Not sure how he would fare against today's professional MMA fighters but I'm guessing he would be able to at least hold his own. He created his own martial arts 'Jeet Kune Do' which is simply a style with no style. No restrictions or rehearsed movements. You adapt yourself to the opponent. Very much what MMA is today. Be water my friend.

    • I would drink Chai Tea it packs a punch.

  • +8

    Lol Tai Chi for defence..

    Anywho, the best defence is not to get into a fight, if your looking for something to inflict damage when cornered though can I suggest Krav Maga.

    • +6

      de-escalation is the main purpose of self defence. Using force should be last resort. One should always try and run away before using force.

      • +3

        +++++ vote ^

        If you know how to fight run even faster as you'll get sued as a minimum or jail for excessive force

        • +1

          That's right. Our laws on self defence is pretty screwed up.

        • +7

          @whooah1979:

          Violence is virtually never the answer, and not just because of the law.

          Guilt, injury and retribution are just a few consequences to consider.

          The best self-defences are awareness, social skills and running shoes.

      • No it's not. De-escalation is a self-protection technique. Self defence is what you do when physical conflict begins.

      • Yes I was saying if he wanted something for if a fight started.

        I personally believe in not fighting but if it has to happen in inflicting as much damage in the shortest time to allow yourself the chance to get away.

        • you want something that inflicts the LEAST damage while allowing yourself to get away.

        • @gromit: I guess, but if your gonna try glass me ect I'd rather you left with a broken arm to remind you for the next person…

        • @Slippery Fish: you might rather that in the short term, your only goal should be escaping fast without escalating, you never know what skills he has or his friends have or what weapons may be in play. You sound like what you really want is to be able to hurt someone not defend yourself, later in court you may also regret any serious damage you do.

        • @gromit: honestly I've never had to fight anyone in my adult life, there is always a out before it escalates.

          2 weeks ago I had 3 guys get in my face like "we could (profanity) smash you" I was like alright then smiled and off I went lol.

          Moral of my story: they are tossers not me.

        • +1

          @Slippery Fish: and that is exactly the correct approach to take and the correct mindset which is completely at odds with your previous statements of "a broken arm to remind you for the next person" and "inflicting as much damage in the shortest time". Your goal should always be escape or de-escalation and never damage, It only takes one lucky/unlucky hit and your self defense turns into you defending yourself in court for manslaughter/murder or escalating into further revenge attacks, you do precisely what is necessary to escape and no more, tossers will always be tossers and you aren't going to achieve anything by risking yourself to teach them a lesson.

  • +10

    I vote krav maga.

    http://www.kmdi.com.au/

    • +1

      Yeh, awesome I did this twice a week for a 6 month period. Really good fun and completely insane. I loved 'sticky pads' it was like fighting a zombie hoard, I couldn't last more than a minute fighting 5-6 people

    • +1

      Krav Maga is a nonsense martial arts, just because "magic" behind Krav Maga is that it trains the IDF, the experts of KM cannot stand against someone who trained properly in real Martial arts such as Boxing, wrestling, Muay thai, BJJ etc. KM itself tricks their students into the Dunning-Kruger effect, if they practice against wrist escape or headlock against a compliant choreographed partner 20 times that would help them in real life, which doesn't. If you have been hit full force in the face before, everything changes and only proper live tested technique will prevail.

      If you want to see REAL defence and attack against weapons, what would really happen in real life, watch a dog brothers (FMA and BJJ) no hold bars match, they fight with sticks and electrified knives.

      • Well yeah no self defense practice is fully perfect one is better than the other. BJJ is probably the most all rounder full on one but yeah I was assuming OP wanted something more manageable than BJJ aka Gracie brothers territory.

    • -1

      +100 for Krav Maga for self defence. I do BJJ which is awesome, but takes a long time to get good at and is limited, in terms of something you can learn fast and be effective with in the street. Bas Rutten gives Krav Maga a good wrap too if I remember rightly.

    • I approve simply because of Sam Fisher.

      Splinter Cell FTW!

  • +3

    Do you have any injuries that need to be compensated for? Shoulders or knee injuries?

    Ignore the know-alls here who aren't aware of the self-defense aspect of Tai-Chi (Google Tai-Chi for self defense). If you are otherwise healthy and uninjured then find a style that suits YOU the best. Most clubs offer a few lessons free so you can check them out. MMA if you like getting hit a lot. :) Other wise there are plenty of Karate dojo's out there to try as well.

  • Just get a gun. Not even The Mountain can defeat a gun with a baby.

    /s

  • wing chun Ip Man … 1 beat 10

  • +3

    Start with Muay Thai easiest to learn, funnest to do, most effective also in a street fight (excl MMA and BJJ) - then branch out from there

    • -1

      Krav uses some Muay Thai, relies on instinct.

      • Krav is great, I just think for someone starting out, punch kick elbow knee is plenty. Once the interest wears off, expand. Lol

        • Eye gouge, hammer punch, nut sack… expand your horizons.
          I also like the knife stuff, bruised up the arms pretty bad

  • +1

    Ju Jitsu.

    • Jew Jitsu

      You mean Krav Maga?

      • +2

        Oy Vey

    • +1

      Ju jitsu is great. 10 years ago I had depression and was out of shape. It gave me a solid group of friends and excellent fitness. Still training and loving it. Competed a couple of times too. I feel quite confident in my abilities and in that the confidence in being able to get out of tricky situations before they get violent.

  • -4

    Lifting weights in a 5x5 program will give you fitness and strength. Being stronger means you can just overpower people.

    But muay thai. Kickboxing.

    • Not really. Lifting weights will make you look bigger and will lead to less people wanting to mess with you in the first place.

  • +5

    I fight Mauy Thai, it's great for fitness, a great form of self defence, you will learn to punch and kick correctly and effectively. It's a great confidence builder, I've seen young teens lacking confidence to push themselves become great members of society, and achieve great things, both inside the ring and out. A good gym grows people not just fighters.

    • This is a great reply. It really doesn't matter which style you choose to follow; as long as you find a good gym with great instructors and classes that meet your mindset and needs, and you put in the effort and discipline to learn and train as much as you can, fitness and self-defense will soon follow. Martial arts of any discipline is a lifestyle, and most of the time you will find the biggest and strongest opponent to be your mind. If you put in the effort, you will get so much more out of it than just fitness and self-defense.

      • +2

        Spot on, who you train with, will have a bigger impact that what you train. I bounced around through a few different disciplines before I settled on Muay Thai, enjoyed them but lost interest fast and had trouble maintaining motivation. My current Kru runs things in a manner that I feel constantly motivated, I feel pushed to my limits and I feel rewarded for my efforts and I enjoy that time.

        Previously I felt I was going through the motions, learning a bit but the motivation to do so was diminishing self motivation. I don't exactly know how to explain how he does things different, but he creates motivation in a manner that works much better for me, I smile at the sight of my weights, I get a boost of happiness when I strap my hands, it's a good feeling not having to muster up the motivation to pump out a session, but rather to be eager to go at any chance.

        My 4 year old daughter also trains, I may be biased, but she is naturally talented and developing very good skills, seeing her constantly improving and enjoying herself also serves as motivation to get me in the gloves as often as possible.

  • +3

    For fitness definitely MMA and Kung Fu over Tai Chi as you'll get a better cardio work out.

    For self defense I'd recommend a place that includes sparing (or full contact sparing). Sparing (at black belt/higher grades) really increases your self defense ability as its not just theory.

    Choose a style based around your physical strengths and weaknesses. eg. For a light framed person whose strengths are agility, reflexes, accuracy then wrestling isn't an ideal match.

    If its your first time to study a martial art and you're starting by yourself (ie. without friends) then its important to visit and see a session for yourself. Ask for a free trial as most places do this for recruitment purposes.

    An optional tip is to view a black belt class, particularly when they spar against each other. It will either give you inspiration as to what's possible or scare you out of wanting to progress in that style.

    Its important you find a place you enjoy otherwise its easy to give up for life if you encounter a class full of psycho, ultra violent strangers treating newbies as personal punching bags.

  • I have studied many martial arts and self defence styles. Tai chi has a combat side to it which is very effective, but to be most effective you need to train full contact.
    Jiu jitsu is proabably the most effective I have studied, though full contact karate, such as kyokushin, is also useful.
    Most martial arts will get you strong, fit and flexible.
    If you get seriously into it, it is also a lifestyle and has many other benefits to improve your life.

  • Thanks so much guys. From you comments I've derived to try a few different lessons and figure what feels good. I'll also look into krav maga. I'm otherwise relatively large built and managed to stay away from trouble till now, but it's always good to have a few fighting insticts if it really boils down to protecting myself or my family. All the input is much apprecited.

    • +3

      I have abiut 10 years of experience in Kung Fu, broken up over a lifetime .

      If you're training for self defence, you will need full contact sparring, MMA would be best.

      Fitness, MMA or Kung Fu is fine.

      General coordination, balance, emotional improvements, tai chi can help.

      My advice is basically don't be one of these jokers that think 15 years of noncombative experience prepares you for a real fight.

  • +4

    If you are concerned to be fit and have some self defence aspects , then I would recommend Ta Chi. I have been learning Tai Chi ever since I turned 42 . I am now 77. I was weak and clumsy before and was an office worker. Since joining Tai Chi class , I become more energetic, alert, and my coach commented me I had changed a lot physically after a period of 6 months training. Indeed it needs perserverence and persistence to go on with this exercise. Later I went on to learn their pushing hand and free fight散打.After moving to Melbourne, I continued to join a keen Tai Chi group. Once a Ta Chi master commented I could fight against 3 guys. But tell you a funny story here. One day I was bullied by 2 younger seniors. On that spur of moment my mind was struggling hard : to fight them ( this course might lead to many problems legally and others) or just presented fell down upon their touch ( this would very funny but harmless). Result : I did nothing .just walked away. What would you do if you are Ln my case? Tips : I am still phscisalky fit and aggressive.

    • +8

      Hmms. Walk away, spinning round house kick first senior (being mindful not to break hip). He goes to the ground napping.

      Second young senior charges upon, then stance for tiger claw attack. Hit his throat. He uses dragon skin. Oh nos! Not what I expected..

      Quickly 'Vam dam' split drop 20 inches to ground and then gab his leg. Attempt bjj heel lock. Struggles because of weaker strength against this younger senior :(

      Use rigid crane technique peck his thigh so he submits easier. Still too strong.. this younger senior arrrr…

      Attempt rigid crane peck again but this time fake and snake technique transition slide up leg. quickly quickly third form mantis thumb his anis. Successfully penetrates pants and lock into orriface.

      Brace for baboon stance on ground and rope technique! Oh yes !! Young senior spins up in air and lands on ground and naps..

      Yes defeated two young seniors myself using king fu tai chi! I did It. Copy signature Bruce lee nose scratch and walk away.

      VICTORY! But everyone wandering why I had a half dirty sanchez.. Idk.

  • +1

    Would recommend Evolve in Berwick which isn't too far away from you.

    I have been doing kickboxing there for about 6mnts and just started MMA.

    There are no shortage of gyms in the area which offer the same, but the schedule works best with my shift work.

  • -1

    BOW to your sensei!
    I personally am an expert in Rex Kwon Do.

    at Rex Kwon Do we use buddy system. No more flying solo.

  • i would suggest picking up a baseball bat :)

    • i would suggest picking up a baseball bat :)

      One would have a different time trying to explain to the police why they're walking around the streets with baseball bat.

      • +1

        practising my baseball swinging technique of course , it would be different if you are carrying for example, a katana

      • Thats why you keep gloves and a ball in the car too ;)

  • +2

    It's not very cool nowerdays but go Box at your local PCYC, you will learn real life skills, get fit, and meet some tough fellas

    Cheap too for ozbargainers :)

    • +2

      It's not very cool nowerdays but go Box at your local PCYC,

      boxing should actually be on the top of the list.

    • +1

      I agree with boxing too! Cheap, easy access and you meet some very talent guys.

  • +1

    MMA, boxing, muay thai. They are quick, simple and effective arts where a beginner can be sufficiently dangerous in about 12m, and there's a lot of depth where you can continually learn and progress as a martial artist.

    Yes, these hard contact sports have a lot of rules involved. But guess what, you get really fit, you learn to hit hard, more importantly, you learn to take hits, and you gain very important skills like reading opponents. Not only that, you can still continue to fight dirty, like eye pokes, rakes, nut shots etc. but you can now do it with a very solid fighting foundation if you are ever accosted on the street.

    • Agree. The arts that teach simple moves followed by sparring, sparring, sparring are the best. The ones that teach complex 4 plus step moves, kata, etc im not much a fan of.

  • +3

    humble Tai Chi student here. If you want self-defence, go with MMA. While it does have its drawbacks (like the others), its competitive full contact nature will develop your self-defence and fitness the most (and probably the fastest).

    Can Tai Chi or Kung Fu (or TCMA) be used for self-defence? I do believe it can. You won't find many school/teacher who will teach it to you though. Nor are students dedicated enough these days.

    I personally don't believe in self-defence. I think that is just a false sense of security and may endanger you more in some situations. At the end of the day, you are better off doing something that you enjoy (and that physically cost you the least).

  • +3

    If I could start all over again, I'd start with boxing. It's not perfect, but it's a great start. Martial arts will give you wasted decades and wasted space in your head. For fitness, toughness, and speed at which you can gain effectiveness, it's hard to beat good old boxing.

  • Kung fu, karate, tae kwon do, judo, etc, all with strict movements are only good to compete with people having the same skills. In real life street fight, you can't expect your opponent to follow those movements. In fact will confuse you a lot. I like the idea of Bruce Lee (the father of MMA) combining all: "Empty your mind, be formless, shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle and it becomes the bottle. You put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow, or it can crash. Be water, my friend."

  • Comments pour-in and i'm absorbing every bit of info. Love ozb for its community. Thanks guys.

    • -1

      I think it's all a bit of a waste of time. You should talk to my friend Tyler Durden if you're looking to to get fit and do a bit of self defence, there are a few rules through.

      The first rule of Fight Club is: you do not talk about Fight Club.
      The second rule of Fight Club is: you DO NOT talk about Fight Club!
      Third rule of Fight Club: someone yells "stop!", goes limp, taps out, the fight is over.
      Fourth rule: only two guys to a fight.
      Fifth rule: one fight at a time, fellas.
      Sixth rule: No shirts, no shoes.
      Seventh rule: fights will go on as long as they have to. And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

      • Well, guy,
        Our friend is talking about fitness I.e. keeping him healthy , and self- defence, say if he is pushed to corner, or his house is pushed in and him and his family members are in danger. Where he can find a gun then.?

  • I have trained Kung Fu and Taichi for 6 yrs, still training Muay Thai and later Western boxing. It all comes down to why you want to train. I do not think that kung fu, and certainly tai chi, are 100% efficient for self defense. If it is a matter of overall fighting capacity, in a more complete level go MMA

  • +1

    Taekwondo for kicking
    Muay Thai for boxing/fighting
    Krav Maga to round it all off

    Me I train TKD for fun, exercise, stretching and a bit of self defence ;)
    Any martial art is great but you have to stick with it and make it part of your life,
    I train 3 times a week and have done for 6 1/2 years (my daughter has also been training 2 times a week for 5 1/2 years)

    Always choose a place that is close and very convenient for you to train often, even Mcdojos are better than Nothing at all (as long as you're not in it for competition then choose wisely).

    If I have to make a choice from the OPs options then it would have to be traditional Kung foo.

  • Keep your martial arts, there are guns to be had on ozbargain.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhlHzYt4xRM

  • It's not what technique you learn, who is you learn it from and who you learn it with.

    I spent many years doing various forms of martial arts, taekwondo, aikido, wing chun, etc… usually I get bored or frustrated and moved on. In uni, I went and learned brazilian jiu jitsu with views of expanding to muay tai with hopes of competing in MMA. The teacher was very down to earth about his limitations. He wasn't a black belt yet, almost there, but he was winning comps left right and centre. There was no veiled inner peace teachings here. Every enrolled had to also enroll in a comp and attend.

    We were not given abstract goals of self development yada yada… we were all competing and we all wanted to win.

  • +1

    Just don't be this guy. Years of study, practice and false confidence. But when it's showtime his basic reaction moves was no more sophisticated as someone who hadn't studied anything.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUOXGQ0MqP0

    • lol

  • Well the best self-defense technique is actually running. As long as you can run fast enough and last long enough then nobody can hurt you. Remember Forrest Gump?

    • Agreed, but if you are with your family and kids sitting in a restaurant and a group of drunk gentlemen decide to share your joy! a well-placed stunt kick on one guy's head serves as a good deterrent for his peers. IMO.

  • Everybody Kung Fu fighting!!

    • ta na nana na na na na na

  • Tai Chi might be good if you're fighting a turtle 🤜🐢

  • +1

    https://www.youtube.com/user/EnterTheDojoShow

    Ameri do te

    This is all you need

  • +2

    I would go with Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu as a choice. I am 40 plus and started BJJ a couple of years ago. Fantastic for your fitness and building core strength. BJJ is well respected in MMA as a great base for the sport. You can start BJJ and move onto MMA if you feel you need more focus on striking. This would be a particularly good option if you haven't done any martial arts previously and also as a way to build your fitness, flexibility and strength to boost your MMA. Many gyms will have BJJ and MMA classes as an option anyway so two birds with one stone so to speak if you choose the right gym. Most who move to MMA will have a background in other martial arts anyway and will come from either a striking or grappling background.

    • Sorry, not OP here, but I am curious how expensive you've found BJJ to be and if there are any organisations you can recommend that are a reasonable price? I've been really keen to give it a tilt, but I've noticed that many gyms are super-secretive about pricing, and those that I've inquired to directly have all been up around the $90 a week mark, which is Crossfit prices, and totally not within my means.

      • Where are you located?

        My gym costs $64 a fortnight for no-contract BJJ classes.

  • A lot of the answers here seem to be from people that watch combat sports instead of people that actually practice them.

    I started martial arts because I was a small fellow and was constantly getting picked on. I started with Taekwondo, then Aikido, then Japanese Jujitsu and tried a lot of different styles along the way.

    A lot of people here seem to tout the "fact" that an MMA fighter can easily take down this and that martial art form and that might be true. The fact is, MMA is probably superior against people that are trained to and ready to fight. If your opponent knows you know how to fight and he knows how to fight, you are better off with some MMA. The fight is most likely going to end up in a grapple on the ground.
    In this case, if you are facing multiple attackers, you have already lost.

    Now fighting a random rowdy drunk in a bar is a whole different story. Being able to take down and control the opponent quickly and efficiently is quintessential. This is where striking and locking will come in handy. The majority of people do not know how to engage in combat properly. A well timed strike to a vital body part will incapacitate your attacker and most likely diffuse the situation. In this case, even if you face multiple attackers, you still have a fighting chance. You will have lost the element of surprise but you still have the upper hand.

    Muay thai is good if you are young, athletic and strong. If you are an older person, I am not sure if it is going to be too effective. Aikido takes ages to learn and in my opinion does not seem to be that effective. Anything with "do" as a suffix means the combat form has been watered down into a "way" which is more like a sport than anything.

    If I had to pick anything, I would pick one of the hard kungfu styles, japanese jujitsu or krav maga. You are probably better of picking Krav Maga as its going to be easier finding a KM school over a traditional japanese jujitsu school.

    tl;dr krav maga, wing chun/jeetkundo or japanese jujitsu.

  • +1

    Any training is better than none but if you have no hard sparring experience it'll be of limited use. Also watch out for If you don't know what it's like to get hit and keep fighting or trying something and it not working or being surprised by your opponent the odds are when you're forced to defend yourself properly you'll have a plan, something won't go according to plan and you won't be able to adapt.

    But pretty much any fighting/self defense training is good from boxing through to wrestling and back around to judo or muay thai or krav maga etc. etc.. Although I'd avoid the showy ones like capoeira and the more acrobatic heavy eastern ones. Anywhere that tries to impress you by breaking objects like wood/bricks should probably be avoided, although I'm sure there are some places who do that crap for the tourists but also train you properly.

    They have to have hard sparring though. Not every day but it has to be in the mix.

  • dude dont listen to the people saying to do wing chun or tai chi- they're all bullshido martial arts, meaning they have no effectiveness in an actual self defence situation. Go learn BJJ and a bit of kickboxing and you'll have your bases covered.

  • +1

    Failing all this, just join a gym with boxing classes

    • 100% agree, keep it simple and join a boxing gym that run those cardio circuit classes. The classes are high intensity and you'll become fit pretty fast. You can move onto something more advance later on but in the meantime you'll at least learn the basic jab, cross, hook and uppercuts. If it's a serious boxing gym with sparring, even better.

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