Lenovo Z560 Series NotebookIntel Core i5-450M (2.40GHz) 4GB RAM Nvidia GeForce 310M 1GB $899.00

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  massari on 28/10/2010 - 15:21

  Please include shipping..

  Shipping & Handling Fees
  Toll IPEC Road $19.75 inc.GST (approx. 2 - 3 business days)
  Toll IPEC Express $73.65 inc.GST (* NEXT business day)
  AAE Road $28.32 inc.GST (approx. 3 - 5 business days)
  AAE Express $55.99 inc.GST (* NEXT business day)

  Thats for me (gold coast)

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  c0rupt3d on 28/10/2010 - 15:40

  meh

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  shanren on 28/10/2010 - 16:02

  +1

  10/100 Base Ethernet, that is the only shortcoming I can find.

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    camelgrass on 28/10/2010 - 16:17

    No HDMI.

    Just wait for all the comments about the 1366x768 resolution and glossy screen ;).

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  camelgrass on 28/10/2010 - 16:21

  OP said:
  compare it to the recent DELL deal and make up your own mind

  You can't really compare the Lenovo IdeaPad and Dell Latitude series, one a consumer laptop, the other a business grade laptop.

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    nats on 30/10/2010 - 00:04

    Understand what your saying, but the question was put out their on 'specs' alone, not what the manufacturer would have you believe - to put it in marketing terms, the customer is always right :)

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  camelgrass on 28/10/2010 - 16:24

  How much does it cost to extend the warranty?

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  shanren on 28/10/2010 - 16:47

  USB 2.0, HDMI, eSATA
  The mwave website says it has HDMI

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  m0tyrider on 28/10/2010 - 19:08

  +2

  Work with Lenovo Laptops, i have found them to be the best build quality out of Acer and Dell. Chalk and Cheese, Acer are very poor imo.

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    nats on 28/10/2010 - 19:13

    Pay peanuts you get monkeys, used to have a Dell XPS laptop, could have sworn the case was made from an icecream container

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      camelgrass on 28/10/2010 - 20:27

      You payed peanuts for a Dell XPS? Where!! :)

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        nats on 29/10/2010 - 10:09

        The 'monkey' is Acer and the DELL xps (was) an icecream container :) ..and this is backed up by hair pulling nail grinding phone calls to DELL's support overseas to get something done about it … which was and wait for this … a replacement unit :(.

        Check what others are saying about the model your interested before you buy, having said that never owned an IBM or Lenovo but never heard anything bad about them either, which is interesting compared to the competition.

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        StewBalls on 29/10/2010 - 15:48

        @nats, how many Acers have you owned or used?

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    StewBalls on 29/10/2010 - 00:20

    -4

    Your opinion is worth nothing if you've got no real experience! I have extensive practical experience with all three brands you mention (among others) and let me assure you that none stand head and shoulders above the others!

    There's some sort of syndrome that whatever a person is working with must be good! lol, we used to call it the "truck driver syndrome"; if they were given a Ford to drive then Louisville's were the best; if it was a Mack, then all others were junk. Nice to see this stupidity crosses professional disciplines! :p

    But please, do persist with the ignorant sweeping "Acer is crap" statements, it keeps the prices down! ;)

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      camelgrass on 29/10/2010 - 01:03

      -1

      And that is your opinion lol.

      Calm down StewBalls, everybody has there own opinion, that's the beauty of OzB, and yours isn't any more valuable than others here even if you like to think so.

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        StewBalls on 29/10/2010 - 01:24

        -2

        No, that was not opinion, it was my experience! There is a big difference! Opinion should never be substituted for fact, which is what happens with an ignorant sweeping unfounded statement like "Brand X is very poor imo"! If somebody's gonna make such allegations, back them up with some proof & I'll shut my pie-hole! :p

        As I've stated on other occasions, I see dozens of machines annually, many of which are Acer branded, and they are as good any any peer in the same class - that's not opinion champ, that's real world experience - deal with it! Of course, show me some reliable stats that back the position that Acer reliability is lower than that of Lenovo & I'll gladly eat humble pie! ;)

        What you call the "beauty of OzB" is actually a failing; people can shoot off their mouth about a product without any real experience or even proof; then when asked to prove their assertions they get all huffy! If I'm gonna badmouth a product or service I'll at least provide some rationale! All I'm asking now is the same, yeah that makes me arrogant alright! ;)

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        camelgrass on 29/10/2010 - 01:28

        You couldn't sound more arrogant if you tried. It is still your opinion based on your experience just like everybody else here.

        And I'm sure your experience is far superior and comprehensive to that of motyrider.

        You need to take a chill-pill dude.

        You seem to have a unhealthy preoccupation with needing to prove everything. Seems you are overcompensating for something. This is just a friendly little forum, and a simple one liner by motyrider gets you all upset.

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        StewBalls on 29/10/2010 - 01:55

        -2

        And I’m sure your experience is far superior and comprehensive to that of motyrider.

        It's not a pissing contest you know dude? :p

        Jeez mate, ease up on the stealth edits, without the ability to engage the thread beyond a few levels we could be at this all night! You seem to be a little preoccupied and upset yourself, wanna go halves in one of those chill-pills? ;)

        [edit] Hmm, I see a few negs but not a lot of evidence to refute my position, LOL! :)
        FWIW, I see nothing unhealthy about a preoccupation with wanting to know the truth; but hey, if you guys are happy with Chinese whispers then Qǐng nǐ zìjǐ! ;)

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        camelgrass on 29/10/2010 - 01:57

        It’s not a pissing contest you know dude? :p

        You could have fooled me with your comments.

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      leiiv on 29/10/2010 - 15:48

      How about the life time of the product, based on your experience? Maybe one brand stops working just after one year, while another brand still in good condition after 3 years?

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        StewBalls on 29/10/2010 - 16:07

        Nope, IME unless there's a known flaw or fault; all other things being equal; once you get past that critical first couple of months for any electronic device, longevity is pretty much brand-irrelevant and appears to be mainly a function of usage & treatment! ;)

        Laptops are notoriously hard to pin down on this though for these very reasons. Young girls in particular seem to be very hard on any lappy, they treat them pretty rough, throw them on the bed & slam lids shut whilst running, run them wrapped in or on blankets til they overheat & shut down, cover them in stickers & diamontes…you know, kid stuff, the little turds! ;)

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        camelgrass on 29/10/2010 - 16:08

        According to this study of the failure rates of over 30,000 laptops:
        1 in 3 laptops will fail within 3 years.

        But varies greatly by make.

        http://www.squaretrade.com/htm/pdf/SquareTrade_laptop_reliab…

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        StewBalls on 29/10/2010 - 16:33

        @camelgrass, whilst I applaud you for finding a study in a notoriously difficult to navigate area; I would urge you to take some of those average failure rates with a grain of salt, given the nature of the business SquareTrade is in! ;)

        31% of laptop owners reported a failure to SquareTrade. Two-thirds of this failure (20.4%) came from hardware malfunctions, and one-third (10.6%) was reported as accidental damage

        So their reported real failure rate is closer to one in five, not one in three! I don't think we can blame any manufacturer for chumps dropping them! However, based on my own anecdotal experience, I would say even 20% is extremely optimistic on SquareTrade's behalf! ;)

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        camelgrass on 29/10/2010 - 19:02

        I didn't find that study, I have known of its existence since it was released (it was widely circulated at the time and is one of the most comprehensive comparisons in recent times).

        Of course I take it with a grain of salt, just as I do with every other study, survey, statistic, research, comment, experience, opinion and so-called fact out there.

        It doesn't mean that it's worth nothing though. It's just SquareTrade's opinion based on their research and experience . I linked to the study for the benefit of leiiv, it's just another piece of data that may help them make up their own mind along with anecdotal experience shared on OzB and elsewhere.

        Saying that, I don't think it surprises many people that Asus and Toshiba came out on top and HP, Gateway (owned by Acer) and Acer last. The differences in the study are significant however you look at it.

        It doesn't surprise me in the least regarding high failure rates in laptops. That's why I always say if you can afford it always get a 3-year extended warranty on your laptop purchase!

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        StewBalls on 30/10/2010 - 10:34

        @camelgrass, c'mon dude, just man up and admit you got curious & went out & found it! There's no shame in that; hell, you went one step further than me, hence my sincere commendation! ;)

        That said, there's a lot of questions to be asked about the design of the study, particularly the sampling methods, that cause me concern; however, as you rightly point out, it is a starting point! :)

        As I've already stated, it is notoriously difficult to compare laptop reliability across any domain due to the sheer number of variables they are subject to. This study has no countermeasures in place (from what I can see) to allocate for these in any way. Frankly, given it's from an insurance (extended warranty) supplier, wouldn't you have expected a "doom & gloom" hypothesis? ;)

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        camelgrass on 30/10/2010 - 16:55

        True, we'll never know the motivation behind the study and what bias was infused into the results. As I said, it's just another piece of data and people can make up their own minds.

        Everyone is biased in their opinions one way or the other — even you and me.

        The study has previously been linked to right here on OzBargain and it was released on all the top tech sites at the time. I'm comfortable with my masculinity than you, but I take that comment in the spirit it was intended!

        StewBalls, I actually agree with some of your sentiments. I just wish you toned down the arrogance in some of your posts. Everyone here has there own opinions and experience, none being more valuable than the other.

        Anyway, have a good weekend!

        EDIT: Still an interesting study, 40% disparity in 3-year failure rates between Asus and HP, and Acer nearly as bad.

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  camelgrass on 28/10/2010 - 20:27

  Where's Mr MLN when you need him to price match! ;)

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  Mikinoz on 29/10/2010 - 10:26

  Ahh yes, its impossible to compare any brands model of notebook, they just dont tend to copy each other, they make for market segments as said above Business and Consumer and then there are levels in the 2 categories

  Personally i deal with lenovo's at work and find their build quality is absolutely terrible compared to what it was at IBM, the the support which is done by IBM is really good, then the customer satisfaction done by Lenovo is terrible.

  Similar to what Stewballs said its about experience, not opinions , although depending how you look it could be deemed as that , although we are trying to help each other understand right ?

  Personally i like to buy toshiba for build quality, and i am not really sure anymore as to the rest, from what i can tell its all gone to shit at Dell and Lenovo and Toshiba only has build quality so hmmmm

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    StewBalls on 29/10/2010 - 15:04

    Yup, a lot of folks don't realise that there's not just a single class of laptop! Nor do they seem to take into account when vilifying any particular brand en masse that every manufacturer occasionally spits out a dud machine, model, or even a dodgy line! Therein lies the problem, a judgement simply cannot be made based on a small sample when such a vast range of models within lines within ranges exists! :o

    Of course model specific issues are usually rectified, but it's often how the manufacturer deals with it that affects their reputation! (HP Aust, are you listening?) ;)

    Most of the consumer grade laptops I see are pretty much identical for build quality. It's all mass produced with fairly loose tolerances to keep prices down, so unless there's a specific fault or known issue then it's six of one, half a dozen of the other to me when it comes to reliability! ;)

    That's why I usually speak up when I see someone issue a sweeping statement that I know is just plain wrong, other people can be gullible and will often believe anything if it's shouted fervently enough, regardless of commonsense to the contrary! The number of ill-advised purchases (or lack thereof) I see based on equally ill-informed rumours is astounding!

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      nats on 30/10/2010 - 00:36

      StewBalls, at the end of the day the customer will decide with their hard earned money, if they realise that a particular brand is flogging product consistently below that of the competition which the aforementioned brand seems to do so well, customers will eventually spend the extra money and consider quality over price.

      I'll put it out there that my first laptop was an Acer (but I've had desktops before) I actually like the screen it has and would still use it if the keyboard buttons all of sudden didn't work, usb ports not to mention a third battery change over 3 years and know countless others who own Acer's and the majority choose it for price to spec ratio compared to other brands, unfortunately the majority have also complained about the same things (call it what you like) durability etc I reject any notion there is a conspiracy against any of the aforementioned brands, these are 'consumer' reports.

      I'm no expert on this nor have I done any research on this or know of anyone who has but I'll just the market is not static and is driven by the end user 'consumer', the marketing dept's of these cheaper brands must be pretty content with the formula there using, there increasing market share like nothing else no matter what the opinion here or any other forum out there for that matter.

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        StewBalls on 30/10/2010 - 10:00

        So ultimately, what you're saying is that you're tagging an entire brand as a "monkey" (your words) based on your limited experience with one unspecified machine (which model was it?) and your word of these unsubstantiated "'consumer' reports" that you cannot produce, right! ;)

        I'm sorry to say, but this is the typical behaviour I was whinging about! If you don't really know, you are allowed to just say "based on my machine", not spout off like you can speak for every machine ever built!!! :p

        You see as an example, I've actually had a few bad Toshi's myself (work supplied, something like 3/5 bad), but luckily I've also seen enough other Toshi's to know that my own bad personal experience with that brand to know that if I were to report those stats there would be a marked disparity with reality! :o