Fertility results - please help

LJustapilgrim on 09/04/2021 - 16:02
Last edited 12/04/2021 - 19:51

Hi there guys. I recently did a sperm test and my wife underwent a HSG test. "HSG is an x-ray procedure used to see whether the fallopian tubes are patent (open) and if the inside of the uterus (uterine cavity) is normal."

We have done some fertility tests recently as we have now been trying to fall pregnant for 2 years with no results. However we are currently in a developing nation and it's been difficult to find good professional advice on our results. (Especially as there is also a language barrier.)

Is there anyone out there who could help us? We would greatly appreciate this.

Thanks,

Update: here are some photos of the xrays of the HSG test. Can anyone comment on this?

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  • SF3 on 09/04/2021 - 16:07
    +11

    Inb4 the jokes and troll comments ;) from OzFertilityExperts

    Especially as there is also a language barrier

    Btw, what is the language, perhaps there are fertility specialist that speaks your mother tongue?

    • Justapilgrim on 09/04/2021 - 16:09

      Thanks, appreciate the support ;)

    • Justapilgrim on 09/04/2021 - 16:10

      It's a dialect of Farsi.

      • bargain huntress on 10/04/2021 - 00:27
        +3

        you're in the middle east?

        if so I would head to Israel. failing that the UAE or Iran.

        i've heard there are good doctors in those places if you have money, and that lots of people speak english there.

        • Gnostikos on 10/04/2021 - 02:13

          you're in the middle east?

          if so I would head to Israel. failing that the UAE or Iran.

          Lol, travelling to Israel from a Muslim-majority Middle Eastern country (especially Iran) is a surefire recipe for disaster.

          All of the nations that have Farsi/Dari or some variant as an official/semi-official language are Muslim-majority countries (Iran, Afghanistan & Tajikistan).

          Gnostikos on 10/04/2021 - 02:13 (Collapsed - Offtopic. Show)
          • bargain huntress on 10/04/2021 - 12:07

            @Gnostikos: I'm aware of that

            They are supposed to be Australian expats, they shouldn't therefor have that much trouble crossing borders.
            What are you talking about?

            Israel is where all the good doctors are

            Their only other option is to come back to australia which they have said they are trying to avoid

            • Gnostikos on 10/04/2021 - 15:02
              +22

              @bargain huntress:

              They are supposed to be Australian expats, they shouldn't therefor have that much trouble crossing borders.

              1. It's highly likely the OP and his wife are in Iran as large parts of Afghanistan are still an active war zone and Tajikistan is an obscure destination for any Western traveler (or any traveler period).

              2. It's also highly likely the OP and his wife are ethnically Iranian and Muslim, as the amount of Australians who willingly travel to Iran/Afghanistan/Tajikistan and are capable of learning Farsi/Dari/Tajik while living in one of those countries is next to zero.The overwhelming majority of Australian passport holders visiting those countries were either born there or are second-generation immigrants.

              3. Regardless of what passport you hold, entering Israel from Iran is difficult to impossible as there are virtually no flights that regularly travel from Iran to Israel, the Iranian government officially forbids their citizens from going there, you would be barred from re-entering Iran if Iranian customs find an Israeli stamp in your passport or proof of your visit to Israel and Iranians need direct approval from the Israeli government for a visa to enter the country. That's what "surefire disaster" means, you're risking imprisonment (in both countries) and some kind of diplomatic incident pulling a stunt like that. Just to remind you, Israel and Iran have been in undeclared state of war for decades now, hence any travel between the two countries is regarded with extreme suspicion and overlayed with charges of espionage, which you can be locked up for indefinitely in both nations. Kylie Moore-Gilbert's recent story and the countless other cases of Westerns being indefinitely held in Iran and/or tortured for literally no justification should give you plenty of reasons why casually considering doing something the Iranian government regard as being highly suspect is not a good idea. None of the nations in the Middle East (Israel included) are free countries that have anything approaching a Western style concept of rights and personal freedoms.

              4. Not to mention, even if the OP could travel to Israel freely, the intense prejudices and hostility they would face in a nation like Israel that has an institutionalised system of discrimination against all non-Israeli minorities and especially Muslims, never mind foreigners from nations regarded as their arch-nemesis (Iran), would make life incredibly difficult and make the entire situation far more stressful than it already is. Once again, it's not a free country and the entire state is founded upon on the concept of favouring one group over all others. Israel covertly sterilised Ethiopian Jews for decades in order reduce the population of "undesirable" migrant groups and you think a fertility clinic in that country is going to want to help out an Iranian couple trying for a child? You can't find a job if you're an Israeli Arab (in fact, they have one of the lowest employment rates in the world) and those are native-born Arabs who speak fluent Hebrew and graduate from the same universities as their Israeli counterparts and are officially recognised as a minority group entitled to official protections/rights under the Israeli constitution.

              Gnostikos on 10/04/2021 - 15:02 (Collapsed - Offtopic. Show)
                • Gnostikos on 10/04/2021 - 16:06
                  +17

                  @lew380: Yeah it seems to have hit a nerve with you alright; you must have been waiting to unload those feelings for a while now but whatever, I'm not one to shy away from an argument (especially with the arrogantly uninformed).

                  I'm not picking a side in this fight and as I mentioned neither Israel nor Iran are free countries that treat their citizens anything like Western nations do (and Iran has a track record of arbitrarily detaining Westerners), that being said Iranian Jews can migrate to Israel under the Law of Return (and the Iranian government generally allows it as long as it's a permanent decision), though they're somewhat an anomaly as Iran's Jewish population remains the largest in the Middle East outside of Israel and they have notably refused repatriation offers from Israel over the years and they do identify with their host country far more strongly than other Middle Eastern Jewish groups, probably due to being one of the most ancient Jewish communities.

                  (ans: around 20% or so, they are even allowed to sit in the highest levels of government although tension does exist as you have pointed out

                  As I said, on paper they have rights and equal status, in practice they are second-class citizens as is the case with all non-Israeli minorities in Israel (Arab Christians, Samaritans, Druze, etc).

                  Did you read the links I included or did you just ignore them to fit your preconceived ideas?

                  On the flip side, how many Jews even exist in Arab countries? It paints a good picture of who is starring in the desire to continue the conflict.

                  Yeah, definitely no intense biases on your part, I'm glad you can remain thoroughly neutral on this issue.

                  You do know what Aliyah was, right? And how Israel organised dozens of resettlement operations to repatriate hundreds of thousands of Middle Eastern Jews to their country after 1948 because they need labourers, farmers and soldiers to basically build their nation from scratch and that not all of those who made Aliyah left their former homelands due to forcible expulsion but instead because of political turmoil/instability, war and poverty (along with a good dose of forcible repatriation from Israel, who needed all the help they could get), which has less to due with Arab-Jewish relations and more to do with the legacy of colonial interference and foreign intervention in the Middle East from the British, French, US, Soviet Union and international Zionist organisations?

                  Something like 3-4 million Jews made Aliyah to Israel since 1948. Do you honestly think every single one of them was individually kicked out of a Middle Eastern country and traipsed through the deserts to make it to Israel? The overwhelming majority were transported in Israel's Aliyah operations (like Operation Magic Carpet) via boat, plane or land routes.

                  As for your incredibly naive assertion as to who has the biggest motivation to continue to Israeli-Arab conflict?

                  The only thing Arab nations have gained from this conflict since 1948 is a loss of lives, a loss of territory, a loss of economic output/political sovereignity and a increasingly negative global perception of their history, culture and peoples.

                  Israel has gained and continues to gain (thanks to new settlements and forcible expulsions) more territory, more citizens, more financial aid, more military support, more international recognition and legitimacy and more dominance over its neighbors in the Middle East.

                  From 1948-1973, Israel almost lost several wars with its neighbors and could barely sustain itself without massive aid from the West (especially the US). Today it's a regional superpower with a nuclear arsenal (something none of its Muslim neighbours posses), a huge economy and one of the most formidable militaries in the region.

                  Israel's entire existence is predicated on a never-ending, self-fulfilling prophecy of their "righteous", divinely-ordained triumph over their neighbours in a holy war, the entire state could not justify its existence, its apartheid-style systemic discrimination, its military conscription and budget, its religious zealotry and supremacy without conflict.

                  That's why the Israeli Mossad helped create Hamas (see here and here) and covertly supported Palestinian "terrorist" organisations, because without a never-ending cycle of violence and hatred and the terrorisation of their population, Israel's entire basis for existence is null and void if Israelis and Palestinians manage to put aside their differences and live in harmony in a mixed state like they did for centuries after the final crusades in 1300s up until the late 1800s when international Zionists started laying claim to Ottoman Palestine. No more military budget, no more conscription, no more profit for their leaders, no more aid, no more sympathy and International victimisation complex, etc.

                  Peace could be achieved virtually overnight if the Israeli leadership genuinely wanted it, but war is far too profitable for the select interests running that country.

                  Alex jones style

                  Don't be a simpleton.

                  Using calm, clear logic and irrefutable sources to back up my assertions (from Israeli publications like Haaretz themselves) is in the style of Alex Jones?

                  Either argue with facts and logic or kindly leave.

                  For example, Jews trying to emigrate from Iran to isreal are executed and their families are persecuted, that's a far cry from some disparities in employment. 20,000 Jews were in Iran in 2009 and in 2012 there were 8,000. They aren't having a good time as a dhimmi.. .

                  That's due to emigration. You're alleging Iran executed 12,000 Jews in the past decade without the world batting an eye? Lol, Israel would have had their finger on the nuclear football before you could say "Oy Vey".

                  Jews in Iran might not be having a good time but that doesn't prove anything relating to your assertion Israel isn't an Apartheid state founded on the principle of the supremacy of one group above all others.

                  You're just basically spouting Communist-style Whataboutism, like China does whenever someone calls them out on the Uyghur issue and they resort to bringing up American slavery or Hiroshima/Nagasaki or some other completely irrelevant historical wrong that doesn't absolve them of committing horrendous crimes in the present.

                    • Gnostikos on 11/04/2021 - 20:49
                      +10

                      @lew380: Well that was a painful, disjointed, rambling pile of nonsense to read.

                      Whereas I had assumed you were quite ignorant before, I now realise you have absolutely no argument to make but just want to be some hysterical cheerleader for your side, whom I'm assuming you support because some of deep-seated, virulent hatred of Arabs, Muslims and cliched post-9/11 induced hysteria over terrorism and whatnot.

                      I'm not suggesting isreal is innocent, it's a messy conflict and both parties understandably dislike and do not trust each other.
                      I'm not a racist, but… (takes sides and claims Israel is largely innocent of wrongdoing)

                      FTFY

                      But isreal have a right to exist,

                      Highly debatable but in case you haven't noticed, there's a bit of break in the continuity of Jewish history and their presence in Israel/Palestine between the time they were largely expelled from Roman Judea after the Third Roman-Jewish War in 135 AD and spread across the world in the Jewish diaspora and the modern-day creation of the state of Israel in 1948.

                      Laying claim to an area that was majority non-Jewish for nearly 2,000 years is highly problematic to say the least and you can go back much further than that in history to attest to the fact that the Near Eastern Mediterranean and Levant have always been a heterogeneous region of diverse ethnic groups, cultures, languages and religions; not some exclusive Jewish territory.

                      they hate the west as we abandoned them in their darkest days.

                      If by "abandoned" you mean the British Empire and the UN literally handed over Mandatory Palestine to the Jewish Agency in 1948 and replaced it overnight with the state of Israel, while British and American military aid, financial loans and support to the tune of hundreds of billions if not trillions of dollars by this point (and Germany's post-WW2 reparations to the tune of tens of billions of dollars), helped the fledgling Israeli government effectively subjugate all internal opposition and wage war against their neighbours.

                      Without this political, military and economic support, Israel wouldn't have survived the Cold War era.

                      If they do hate West, it's not because of a lack of support and sympathy for their cause but rather their incredible zealotry and self-righteousness as the "chosen people".

                      They found their national identity in Israel and turned a largely abandoned desert into a vibrant county.

                      That's strange, the Ottoman and British censuses of the 19th and 20th centuries must have been counting ghosts because they record plenty of people living there, the overwhelming majority of whom weren't Jewish all the way up to 1947 before the foundation of modern-day Israel.

                      Literally some of the oldest, continuously inhabited cities and settlements are in Israel/Palestine (like Jericho) and it was a part of the fertile crescent where civilisation as we know it arose and every single empire of note in history had a stake in that part of the world, but sure… it was "abandoned desert" with not much going on.

                      I try to see this as objectively as I can, Jews did emigrate to isreal, ​if you have a problem with mass immigration, GET THE HELL OUT OF AUSTRALIA YA HYPOCRITE.

                      As per usual, your only argument is more Communist-style Whataboutism, where you ignore evidence that doesn't fit your conclusions and then distract from the point at hand with emotional rambling and strawman arguments to try and drown out sensible logic with random examples of injustices from completely irrelevant contexts.

                      But sure, because the Australian Aboriginals were colonised by the British about 160 years before Israel was founded, my argument that the Jews did the exact same thing to Arabs in Mandatory Palestine is invalid. Solid logic.

                      Give away your house to a first nations descendant and go back to England or Canada or wherever your ancestors originally came from.

                      You're literally describing what happened to the Arab inhabitants of Mandatory Palestine after 1948 when a bunch of European colonists mainly from Germany, Poland, Ukraine and Russia descended upon Palestine at the urging of the international Zionist organisations, and uprooted them from the lands they had lived in for generations.

                      I don't understand, every civilisation has been built on wars, unfairness, mass movement and displacement of people where the biggest and strongest get the land yet they only have a problem with isreal!?!???

                      Okay, so once again you've moved your goal posts and flipped-flopped on your justifications and now your argument has become: "B-b-but eVeRyOnE eLsE dID iT!!!1!" and you're seriously arguing that medieval standards of morality and ethics are perfectly applicable in 1948, when the colonial age had well and truly come to an end?

                      You also failed to realise the inherent contradiction you've made, as on the one hand the colonisation of Australia by the British is a great historical injustice but… it's okay when Jews colonise Palestine because plenty of other empires and states have done so in the past?

                      And you call me a hypocrite? Your arguments are hilariously contradictory and pathetic and it's these kind of retarded double-standards that are exactly what the Israeli state is based on: they're the world's only "true victims", everyone else is an oppressor and it's okay when they do exactly what they blame others for (religiously-fueled violence and terrorism, expulsions, genocides, Apartheid, etc). One rule for thee, one rule for me…

                      I might also add, that none of what you said is actually what religious Jews and ardent Zionists believe; they don't care what the rest of the world is doing, they genuinely believed their God promised them the land of Israel as part of a covenant with the Jewish people, whom he deemed his "chosen" nation out of all the peoples on the Earth. That's their primary justification for why they deserve to annex Israel from its prior inhabitants; because their God told them so, which is the rallying cry of every historical nutjob and murderous lunatic since time immemorial.

                      At least they brought the land fair and square, unlike 99.9% of Australia….

                      No, they didn't.

                      In both cases, it was the British Empire that annexed that piece of land. Israel just took over Britain's holdings in Mandatory Palestine.

                      The state of Israel wasn't forged through conquest or some kind of romanticised victory, it was merely willed into existence at the behest of the British Empire, the UN, international Zionist organisations and Anglo-American globalists for the self-serving purposes of dominating energy reserves and keeping regional aspirations in check in the Middle East, which they all had a common interest in.

                      • lew380 on 12/04/2021 - 10:18

                        @Gnostikos:

                        The state of Israel wasn't forged through conquest or some kind of romanticised victory, it was merely willed into existence at the behest of the British Empire

                        You have a lot of time on your hands. You make valid points, isreal wasn't founded organically it spring out of a messy conflict with a resolve by Jews to reclaim their land (why do you get to decide if they deserve that right? ).

                        I don't understand your anti semitic ramblings, if the Jews don't deserve to live in Israel, what makes you think you deserve to live in Australia? Just because you can find some anti semitic article from snopes or another racist publication means very little. You hold the state of Israel up to a standard that you yourself cannot match. Again, if you think that isreal was established to "dominate energy reserves and keep regional aspirations in check" then fine, live what you preach and get out of Australia. White people wiped out most of the original aboriginal people, took their land, trashed their sacred sites and then shot anyone who got mad about it, why do you only care when a historical jew has done it? To be fair, isreal took the land far more peacefully and civil then us Australians did, and they have a historical right to the land, more so than the Muslims anyway, why are you so bitter that they finally lived their nation dream and moved to their ancestral home?

                        You can't point fingers at other nations when you yourself are guilty of the same historical crimes and much worse! Just makes you look like a bitter racist.

                        For the record, I don't think Australia should give back the land and all go kneck ourselves as your logic would demand, neither should the Jews, neither should the turks to the Armenians…… Etc

                  • alz on 11/04/2021 - 15:44
                    -3

                    @Gnostikos: If you are quoeting the intercept, wsj and washington post you're the one that is misinformed.

                    • Gnostikos on 11/04/2021 - 20:56
                      +4

                      @alz: I'm being called "misinformed" by a bunch of muppets who can't come up with anything to backup their claims and think if they say something enough times, it must be true.
                      Pretty rich.

                      For the record I also quoted Israeli publications like Haaretz, but sure, just cherry-pick a few examples as proof that all of my sources must be "misinformed".

                      If thoroughly mainstream, pro-Israeli publications from America are publicly admitting that Mossad created Hamas and Palestinian terrorist organisations to further bolster their justification for waging war on the Palestinian people and annexing their land, I think it's safe to say that it's hardly a controversial opinion anymore.

                      It might be to people like you and lew380 who just shut their eyes to anything that contradicts their mental echo-chamber but that's firmly your problem.

                  • Youi2018 on 11/04/2021 - 19:45
                    +4

                    @Gnostikos: Best explanation of the situation there i have ever heard . Standing ovation !

                  • petry on 12/04/2021 - 09:54
                    -3

                    @Gnostikos: topic is fertility results and medical help - not political wank encompassing anti semitism and various other right wing garbage.

              • bargain huntress on 10/04/2021 - 21:18

                @Gnostikos: Re: reply to me

                That was a lot of interesting info, thanks. I'm still confused though;

                Remember Iran was one of the places I suggest they go if they can't get to Israel. Because I was under the impression Iran has fairly good doctors if you have money, and therefor they couldn't be there. I also didn't think Iran counted as a developing country.
                So I don't see why you are so sure they are in Iran?

                I also didn't think expats included people born overseas.
                "An expatriate (often shortened to expat) is a person residing in a country other than their native country."
                I guess a first generation australian calling themselves an expat would technically be correct, but a little grey.

                @Gnostikos and Lew380

                Re: replies after that

                you have gone badly off topic; take it somewhere else

                • Gnostikos on 10/04/2021 - 21:55
                  +4

                  @bargain huntress:

                  So I don't see why you are so sure they are in Iran?

                  The OP mentioned they're in a country where Farsi is spoken (or a dialect of it). To repeat myself, there are only three countries in the world where Farsi or its variants have official or co-official status: Iran, Afghanistan and Tajikistan (it's also spoken by small minorities in Uzbekistan, Iraq and parts of the Caucasus but there's no way Farsi would be used in business and everyday life in those places, which rules them out). Out of the countries where it's an officially recognised language, common sense rules out Afghanistan for obvious reasons and Tajikistan for practical reasons (travel from Australia to Tajikistan would be highly unusual and rare). Australia has a large Iranian-Australian demographic (over 100,000) who frequently travel back to their home country, hence why I'm guessing the OP is likely an Iranian-Australian who's either a first or second-generation Australian and is currently stuck in Iran for whatever reason.

                  I also didn't think Iran counted as a developing country.

                  Putting aside my Sherlock detective skills, Iran is most certainly a developing country, now more than ever in the past 3 decades: 57% of the nation lives below the poverty line and the average wage is hovering at $700-800 USD per month now. Their currency is experiencing hyperinflation on par with Mugabe-era Zimbabwe (1 US dollar = 42,000 Iranian Rials; monthly wages are measured in tens of millions of Rials) and median wealth is on par with Vietnam and Djibouti. There's been strict gasoline rationing in place for years due to insufficient supply to meet demand and despite being major oil-producing country with large oil/gas reserves, Iran still has to rely on petroleum imports for their energy needs because of international sanctions on Iranian oil exports that cause them losses of $50 billion annually (read more here).

                  Decades of sanctions (literally too many to count at this point) on all manner of essential goods/products, Western-backed destabilisation/terrorism within its borders, trade embargoes, economic pressure and being in an undeclared state of war with the US/Israel for two decades have crippled their formally decent standard of living and economic output, relative to other Middle Eastern countries. I would say prior to 2010, Iran may have enjoyed a fairly decent standard of living on par with other relatively prosperous Middle Eastern nations like Turkey or Egypt but those days are long gone now.

                  Because I was under the impression Iran has fairly good doctors if you have money,

                  Knowing someone who actually operates in Iran as a specialist care provider and medical researcher (and is a foreigner from a Western country, so has ample frame of reference for what decent medical care looks like), I don't think their level of medical care is great these days. It's definitely not at the level of 3rd-world, sub-Saharan Africa for example but I don't think their fertility clinics should be anyone's first choice if you have the luxury of other options. Once again, they might have had decent healthcare about a decade ago but those days are firmly in the past now.

                  I also didn't think expats included people born overseas.

                  If they're naturalised citizens who've lived longer in their adopted home country than their birth country, I think calling yourself an expat is not an erroneous use of the term.

              • striker5950 on 11/04/2021 - 15:28
                +1

                @Gnostikos: holly Sh*t man I'm impressed by the amount of background factual research and hyperlink sources in Ozbargain comments section. I officially declare you the sherlock Holmes of ozbargain, see if you can change your username lol

              • BargainCowboy on 12/04/2021 - 09:43
                +3

                @Gnostikos: Agreeing with everything you said. However, regarding point # 4 - note that all your information of Israel's "discrimination" comes from Haaretz. That's the most biased news source in Israel, so it could be nice if you share other, non-extreme-left sources.

                • petry on 12/04/2021 - 09:56

                  @BargainCowboy: sad you state you agree with an offtopic anti-semitic political rant.

                  • BargainCowboy on 12/04/2021 - 10:51
                    +1

                    @petry: On the contrary, I was agreeing only with some of the facts gnostikos stated. Some parts of it are factually wrong, hence my comment.

                    • petry on 12/04/2021 - 11:17

                      @BargainCowboy: Apart from some of the stats most of it is factually incorrect or personal opinion. Validating anti-semitism can only really be seen as supporting it, can it not?

                      • BargainCowboy on 12/04/2021 - 11:21

                        @petry: I wouldn't be so quick to shout anti-semitism. Again, I'm not supporting some of his statements and my comment was regarding his initial reply. Him going on a conspiracy-theory style rant is a different thing which I do not endorse.

                        • petry on 12/04/2021 - 11:28
                          -1

                          @BargainCowboy: Doesn't believe jews are entitled to a nation state for self protection - and since it exists now and has been accepted by the UN, he is clearly anti-semtic.

                          His rewriting of history underlines that point. This whole thread appears politically staged in fact, since the post is unusual to say the least.

                          Anyone supporting such blatant anti-semitism is also un-australian. This website as exemplified by its bizarre and repetitive non-enforcement of its published rules in a timely manner is clearly indifferent to federal hate laws.

                          hateful opinion is blatantly off topic and sat here for days.

                          • BargainCowboy on 12/04/2021 - 12:40

                            @petry: That's another part I disagree with him/her, so here you go.

                            • petry on 12/04/2021 - 13:33

                              @BargainCowboy: which small bit do you agree with then?

                              • BargainCowboy on 12/04/2021 - 13:47

                                @petry: Points 1,2,3 of the original reply.

                                • petry on 12/04/2021 - 14:04

                                  @BargainCowboy: oh you're supporting guesswork …

                                  • Mikeer on 13/04/2021 - 07:31

                                    @petry:

                                    rewriting of history
                                    If you're going to claim that Gnostikos is intentionally misleading or is factually incorrect, please back up your claims and provide sources.

                                    • petry on 13/04/2021 - 13:05

                                      @Mikeer: look up the six day war that they state Israel almost lost - its well accepted fact historically.

                                      the claims asserted come from a right wing version of history, and ignore facts, like much of the crap posted on this site now.

      • No ONE on 11/04/2021 - 19:52
        +2

        Wow! Look at this wall of texts!

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      • jv on 12/04/2021 - 11:31
        -3

        It's a dialect of Farsi.

        I received a Farsi call once from an overseas scammer…
        It made me laugh.

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  • brendanm on 09/04/2021 - 16:14
    +4

    Go to a non developing country.

    • Gnostikos on 09/04/2021 - 16:19
      +5

      *Biden-Harris have entered the chat.

      • brendanm on 09/04/2021 - 16:40
        +2

        Op says they are currently in a developing country, and they are posting on Ozbargain, so I assume they are expats.

        Moving back is the best solution.

        • Justapilgrim on 09/04/2021 - 18:32
          +2

          "so I assume they are expats"

          Correct!

        • Vote for Pedro on 11/04/2021 - 23:51
          -4

          Fixed it for you

          assume they are expats migrants/immigrants

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          • brendanm on 12/04/2021 - 06:37

            @Vote for Pedro: You know what op is better than they do themselves?

            • Vote for Pedro on 13/04/2021 - 08:10

              @brendanm: What’s the difference between an “expat” and a “migrant/immigrant”?

              • Krankite on 13/04/2021 - 08:55
                +1

                @Vote for Pedro: Expat's go from developed nations to exploit developing nations.

                Migrant's go to developed nations to be exploited.

                • cameldownunder on 13/04/2021 - 11:26

                  @Krankite: What are people going from develop nations to developed nations called ?

                  • Krankite on 13/04/2021 - 13:07
                    -1

                    @cameldownunder: Sorry I vote LNP so if no-one is getting exploited I'm not interested.

              • brendanm on 13/04/2021 - 08:59

                @Vote for Pedro: If there's no difference, why did you have to "fix that for me"?

                • Vote for Pedro on 13/04/2021 - 11:11
                  -1

                  @brendanm: Help me understand the mistake i made

                  • brendanm on 13/04/2021 - 11:18

                    @Vote for Pedro: The mistake is that I was correct to begin with.

                    If you have an android phone, say "ok Google, what is an expatriate".

                    If you are an iPhone user, try "Siri, what is an expatriate".

                    • Vote for Pedro on 13/04/2021 - 11:20

                      @brendanm: So why are some people expats and others migrants/immigrants. How do you make that distinction?

                      • brendanm on 13/04/2021 - 11:33

                        @Vote for Pedro: Did you ask Google? It actually had the answer to that.

                        • Vote for Pedro on 13/04/2021 - 11:34

                          @brendanm: I did. And I understand. But was hoping you’d be able to explain why you chose one terminology over another

                          • brendanm on 13/04/2021 - 12:09

                            @Vote for Pedro: One is permanent, one is temporary. As op used the term "currently", I assumed temporary rather than permanent. This was then confirmed by op. You then proceeded to attempt to incorrectly correct me. We then get here.

                            I even stated that it was a guess, and used the words I assume. It was then confirmed to be correct

                            • Vote for Pedro on 13/04/2021 - 13:18

                              @brendanm: Or more likely…

                              “ But what makes one person an expat, and another a foreign worker or migrant? Often the former is used to describe educated, rich professionals working abroad, while those in less privileged positions — for example, a maid in the Gulf states or a construction worker in Asia — are deemed foreign workers or migrant workers. The classification matters, because such language can in some cases be used as a political tool or to dehumanise”

                              • brendanm on 13/04/2021 - 13:23
                                +1

                                @Vote for Pedro: What left wing race baiting site did you pull this from?

                                It's a pretty straightforward and, generally, well understood choice of labels. One is temporary, or is permanent. You may wish to try and politicise it if you want, nothing like being a perpetual victim I suppose.

                                • Vote for Pedro on 13/04/2021 - 13:36

                                  @brendanm: Yeah, sorry but i dont read breitbart.

                                  Google results.

                                  Why not refer to OP or other ‘expats’ as migrant workers like we like to call people here? It’s because people in privileged positions like to be above the term ‘migrant worker’

                                  My mate moved to Singapore for work and calls himself an expat but refers to Malaysians in lower class work as ‘migrant workers’

                                  He got quite nasty when i asked him what the difference was.

                                  • brendanm on 13/04/2021 - 13:38
                                    +1

                                    @Vote for Pedro:

                                    Yeah, sorry but i dont read breitbart.

                                    Neither do I.

                                    Why not refer to OP or other ‘expats’ as migrant workers like we like to call people here? It’s because people in privileged positions like to be above the term ‘migrant worker’

                                    Why give a shit either way? Is it enjoyable being offended by every single thing possible?

                                    • Vote for Pedro on 13/04/2021 - 13:41

                                      @brendanm: Because words matter.

                                      Whether you like it or not, they convey intent. But we both know that you are smart enough to know that.

                                      • brendanm on 13/04/2021 - 14:47

                                        @Vote for Pedro: Words don't matter though. You can call me Shirley temple, doesn't change who I am. The colloquial term for my profession suggests that anyone doing it is of below average intelligence, you don't see me crying about it. It is what it is, and I am who I am, no matter what words anyone else uses.

                                        • Vote for Pedro on 13/04/2021 - 15:35

                                          @brendanm: Since words don’t matter, you’re happy to refer to workers, including those from asia/middle east/africa/south america, who come to Australia to work in unskilled jobs as expats?

                                          • brendanm on 13/04/2021 - 16:19

                                            @Vote for Pedro: Depends if they've moved here permanently or not. Not sure why we would be importing unskilled workers anyway, we have plenty here. Good old glabalisation.

                                            • Vote for Pedro on 13/04/2021 - 16:25

                                              @brendanm: You crack me up. You know well and good what you are doing. You are so skilled at it you should be a sky news after dark anchor.

                                              • brendanm on 13/04/2021 - 16:27

                                                @Vote for Pedro: You didn't answer the question as to whether or not they are moving permanently. This matters as it is literally the difference between the 2 words.

                                                I couldn't be an after dark anchor as I don't think I'd like shift work.

                                                • Vote for Pedro on 13/04/2021 - 16:35

                                                  @brendanm: Temporary but tech doesn’t matter for ‘expat’

                                                  • brendanm on 13/04/2021 - 16:54

                                                    @Vote for Pedro: Then yes they are expats arent they. Technically it does matter, as it's the only difference.

                                                    • Vote for Pedro on 13/04/2021 - 17:06

                                                      @brendanm: Was that a question or a statement?

                                                      • brendanm on 13/04/2021 - 17:09

                                                        @Vote for Pedro: The first sentence was a statement posed as a question, minus the question mark. The second sentence is just a statement.

                                                        How annoying is it to have to scroll right down when you get a notification now that this has been marked off topic.

                                                        • Vote for Pedro on 13/04/2021 - 17:37

                                                          @brendanm: Lol. Look forward to you joining me in encouraging people in Australia to call the aforementioned group of people ‘expats’.

                                                          Until next time!

                                                          • brendanm on 13/04/2021 - 17:45
                                                            +1

                                                            @Vote for Pedro: I encourage people to do whatever they see fit, I don't like to dictate what others can say or do, simply to please myself.

                                                            An fun discussion as always ☕.

          • drfuzzy on 12/04/2021 - 11:32
            -4

            @Vote for Pedro: IF
            * you consider yourself an expat when living abroad rather than an Australian immigrant

            AND
            *you are not indigenous Australian / aboriginal

            THEN
            * your hypocrisy / racism is showing

            • Vote for Pedro on 12/04/2021 - 12:21
              +1

              @drfuzzy: I consider myself an immigrant here.

              I think you may have missed the point i was trying to make

  • websterp on 09/04/2021 - 16:21
    +6

    Looks like my DNS is poisoned. I thought I was on OZBargain but seems like I'm being served with content from here

    • SF3 on 09/04/2021 - 16:23
      +1

      People like the OzB way of doing things, rather than specialised forums :)

  • [Deactivated] on 09/04/2021 - 16:30
    +2

    This is a good test for the couch experts here. Let me swot up on google for 2 minutes.

  • onetwothreefour on 09/04/2021 - 16:31
    +21

    Keep trying? It's the fun part.

    • Sheez on 13/04/2021 - 10:30
      +4

      I'd almost be certain it isn't fun for them anymore after trying for 2 years, doing it for fun and doing it to conceive are very, very different thing unfortunately. Kinda hard to understand unless you have been there.

      • Blitzfx on 13/04/2021 - 16:34

        It's easy to understand if they just read a few articles and testimonials about couples suffering depression after failing to conceive, going through emotions of guilt and self-blame, just to name the smallest of the things.

  • ajh on 09/04/2021 - 16:31
    +2

    hmm… will this include ms paint diagrams?

    • Muzeeb on 09/04/2021 - 16:47
      +7

      Risky click of the day

  • Ryanek on 09/04/2021 - 16:37
    +3

    Good luck with it all. If pregnancy isn't in the cards for you, I hope you both consider adoption. There are a lot of needy kids in Australia that need great parents.

    • Almost Banned on 09/04/2021 - 16:52
      +14

      Did you form that view from watching Annie multiple times?
      Adoption in Australia is very rare, very difficult, and there are very few children in Australia available for adoption at any point.
      There were only 334 adoptions in the whole country in 2019/20 - and the bulk of them was by foster parents and others already known to the child.
      Fostering is where there is some need - and might lead to adoption - but you cannot always guarantee you will get a cute, shiny new baby. It can be tough and is not for everyone.

      • brendanm on 09/04/2021 - 17:20
        +2

        Fostering is in higher need, as the authorities like to give children back to abusive/drug addicted/etc parents for some reason, for them to be traumatised further, before going back into foster care. The cycle then gets to start over.

      • Ryanek on 09/04/2021 - 17:25
        +8

        From experience mate. My friends can not bear children, so they went down the adoption route. They specified some preferences and was on a waiting list for 5 years. They now have a beautiful 1 year old boy who is home to a great family.

        I never said it was easy.

        • Almost Banned on 09/04/2021 - 17:32

          I hope you both consider adoption. There are a lot of needy kids in Australia that need great parents.

          There are a concerningly large number of children in foster care - about 40,000 - who need carers.
          There are very few children available for adoption who need parents.

          • Ryanek on 09/04/2021 - 17:35
            +2

            @Almost Banned: Not sure why you're being argumentative. Would it make you feel better if I suggested foster care as an option to?

            • Almost Banned on 09/04/2021 - 18:41
              +3

              @Ryanek: Because the line in your post which I quoted immediately above makes it sound like Australian orphanages are bursting with kids waiting for Daddy Warbucks to arrive - when nothing could be further from the truth.

    • Justapilgrim on 09/04/2021 - 18:30

      Agreed. We've for awhile now wanted to adopt on top of having kids. (E.g. Have 2 kids and then adopt 1 or 2.) However we'll see. If conceiving doesn't work out then maybe will just go for that option. :)

      • bargain huntress on 10/04/2021 - 00:25
        +4

        seeing as you are currently in a developing country, is adopting there right now an option? because;

        a) almost banned is correct that adoption in australia is very rare, and has to be done through the difficult foster system
        b) international adoption is expensive - may be significantly cheaper if you are based internationally already
        c) you want to have adopted kids as well as genetic kids anyway - so what is the difference if you just do it now?
        d) there might be many children in need where you are, who are actually able to be adopted - unlike here in australia
        e) you don't know at this point if having genetic children will pan out

        • Justapilgrim on 12/04/2021 - 19:27
          +1

          Yes, good points you mention. Thanks :)

    • Muzeeb on 09/04/2021 - 17:23
      +1

      What's a partial vasectomy?

      • deme on 09/04/2021 - 17:30
        +13

        Just the tip

        • [Deactivated] on 10/04/2021 - 14:40
          +26

          that's plain fking evil and you're a shit person for finding it comical.

    • spackbace on 09/04/2021 - 20:51
      +19

      It that's true, that's fked up for her mental health

    • bargain huntress on 10/04/2021 - 00:37
      +12

      if your gross trolling story was actually true, the case could be made that that is sexual assault
      i'd be reporting him to the police if he weren't fictional

  • SD2310 on 09/04/2021 - 17:29
    +23

    Honestly these forum posts are getting more bizarre by the day. Every time I click on I think I’ve seen it all then out comes another one

    • Lastchancetosee on 10/04/2021 - 10:26
      +7

      Makes it all worthwhile, and a nice change from car insurance, traffic offence, and returning goods queries.

      • capslock janitor on 11/04/2021 - 13:59
        +2

        yea i noticed all the Highlights today are kinda wacky

  • deme on 09/04/2021 - 17:32
    +1

    I'm going to take a stab and say you're in a country like Thailand with your wife and you were having problems understanding the doctor.

    Does your wife understand the doctor?

    If for some reason you both don't understand the language of the country you're in, then I would strongly suggest you pay someone to translate for you?

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