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‘This is just no way to live’: What it’s like delivering parcels for Amazon
Amazon Flex Delivery Driver Perspective
sween64 on 29/08/2021 - 10:07
Last edited 29/08/2021 - 10:40 by 1 other user
Last edited 29/08/2021 - 10:40 by 1 other user
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I'm sure there are always two sides to the story. If they have a choice, do you think some of these folks would want to be a point to point/delivery driver?
Years ago, I was overseas doing skin examinations to check fungal infections in people who wanted to get access to a public pool. I was paid around $4/hour to be 6 hours in a 40C degree cubicle checking people's feet, and "warm areas" such as inner thighs, armpits, etc. Obviously, it was an informal job, so I had no additional benefits and still had to cover my own expenses (food, car). It was not nice, not something I'd be doing for too long in that area. Most people wouldn't do it, but I wanted the money and that was probably the easiest way for me at that stage. My choice was that or no money at all. I did that during summer season, for three years.
It might not be easy but Amazon drivers do have a choice. If people accept the job, that means that it is beneficial for them, or better than being unemployed anyway.
If Amazon can't find enough people to do that, they might increase the rates, or just discontinue Amazon Flex and keep using Australia Post and other disgraceful services (Fastway, CouriersPlease).
What an awful take.
'unemployment is a choice you should take if work conditions suck'
@jetblack: No one has to accept any kind of job. And yes, that's a choice you like it or not.
Yes… I would like to work at the perfect company where I can set-up my own office and choose how many hours I will be working and how much the company will be paying.
Unfortunately, I am not a Hollywood star so I don't have those options. The reality is that we have to work for public or private sectors that don't pay what we want and don't offer the perfect environment or work conditions.
I'd love to work 5 days a week 8h/day without the on-calls that keep me awake during the night, often unpaid, even if I still have to work next day.
What should I do? Write to ABC and demand better conditions, the end of on calls, and a better rate?
@this is us: What you aren't factoring in is that there will always be a level of unemployment. There will always be people who need to take the job.
@[Deactivated]: And jobs reduce unemployment.
Of course there will always be people who need the job, so what's your plan? This Amazon job is casual, even if some people only have this job.
What's the difference between Amazon offering a job for items to be delivered and any other cafe, restaurant, retail, or even food delivery paying minimum wage or much less in informal jobs?
Amazon doesn't need Amazon Flex. If no one wants the job, they will just keep doing what they have been doing, using Australia Post, Fastway, which is probably more expensive. Then there is no job and the problem is "solved".
For those who are employed, this job is better than unemployment. A lot of people have jobs that they don't like but they keep doing because they need the money. That's not restricted to Amazon or to low income.
@this is us: Wow what makes you think it's so easy for some people to get a job. That's a ridiculous viewpoint.. when i was unemployed I basically worked over 8hrs a day looking and applying for jobs.. not wonderful high paying jobs.. I meany ANY job just so i could get cash, with the idea lf getting an ideal job later. It still literally took me months to get anything besides dominos as a delivery driver.. this itself wasnt easy..
Sure it's nice to think that people can just choose any job they like, but realistically that isn't a possibility for some.. hence the whole point of this story.. is it that hard to understand?
@wozz: Exactly, it's been many years now but I've had my stints of unemployment. It's not fun. And It's time consuming applying for jobs.
It would've been great if Amazon Flex or Uber was around when I was unemployed. I would have much preferred that to actually being unemployed - as it pays more than the dole and gives something to do. It can be done straight away with no interview.
I'm sure it's not a very good job, but this kind of job is not a normal job because you can enter it immediately with no barriers to entry other than needing a car. So I think this job is most fairly compared with the alternative of getting the dole than it is with jobs that require interviews and have barriers to entry. And when it is compared to the dole it rates very well - probably even easier to get a job like this than to apply for the dole which requires jumping through hoops, and it allows people the dignity to support themselves rather than relying on the government.
So I have to give this service a thumbs up for what it is. But if I had this job, I'd be looking for a better one.
@jetblack: Why does everyone assume that choosing the job you want to work in automatically means unemployment ?
I think it's important to note the difference between long term and short term unemployment.
People feel stuck - change will only happen once you exit the comfort zone. If the job is not good enough - seek better. If you have to be unemployed to do it - then be unemployed for whatever period of time until you find the right job.
haha yeah been poor done the same sort of crazy job, weirdly my worst job experience was related to the people i worked for.
a lot of people complain but come back 10 years later they are in the same spot and have no plans of going anywhereI'd gladly be on newstart than $4/hour any day. Nothing to do with my username
@centrelink: Well according to the article, the guy earned $23,000 and had $5,500 in expenses. So he kept about 76% or $20.50 an hour (gross).
Also to earn $23,000 you would only have to work 213 shifts at $108/shift, which take 4 hours each (and sometimes less). One could presumably earn double by working 426 shifts instead. Pretty easy to do in a 365 day year. They also offer higher rates for some shifts.
So I'd say it's a lot better than the dole or $4/hour. It's still not so good compared to many jobs, but it's better than that and the "flex" aspect will suit some a lot.
TLDR
Amazon pays $25 an hour to deliver 8-10 packages an hour.
Excluding super, workers comp, sick leave, vehicle allowance, etc etc as they would be classed as “independent contractors” and have to pay for all of this out of that $108…
But I agree… if the system is that broken, just don’t do it. Nothing sends a bigger message to a company than not being able to get staff because they want to pay them less than what Centrelink would pay.
even better for people to not order low value orders because of 'free' delivery
.@Nugs: … and those boasting about buying slabs of bottles of fizzy pop or gigantic blocks of bog roll, just because Amazon price-matched the local supermarket.
There's a lot more impact to your consumer behaviour than the few cents you save.
@AnneThrope: yea people need to think where the profit goes from some of these price matches. Coles and Woolies both among biggest employers in the country, many would have shares via Super in them also.
@AnneThrope: It is not the few cents you save that's worth it, it's the service you received
Isn't it great that you can order a few dollars worth of things and have it delivered to your door for the same price as wasting your time going to pick it up
@ln28909: "Isn't it great that you can order a few dollars worth of things and have it delivered to your door for the same price as wasting your time going to pick it up"
Frankly, no.
This is the impact to which I referred.
In one scenario, you grab that pack of bog roll while you're at colesworths buying bread and milk.
The 'great' option involves massively more resources consumed, including the Flex dude driving around, for the same outcome.
The smaller the value of the item, the worse it becomes, as the global costs of your convenience far outweigh the value of the item.
There are edge cases where perhaps the equation works out - crippling agoraphobia? self-isolation? no arms? bubble boy? - but in the vast majority, the costs exceed the benefit.
@AnneThrope: you're creating jobs, increasing spending, sure this cost will later be transferred back to you with higher pricing in the long run but that's fine, you are stimulating the economy. The economy is much better off when you order the toilet roll and have it delivered than if you were to pick it up from the shop
By not using amazon to get your toilet roll deliver, you're actually adversely affecting the economy
@ln28909: You're right about the inflationary effect, However, the opposite is true regarding the last sentence. In the short-term, the economy may have more aggregate demand, however in the medium to long-term, it is just an inefficient allocation of resources. The money that was being spent on delivery would be better used on something like improving one's productivity to the economy e.g. health or education.
That being said, if the individual had a genuine need (e.g. sick, disability, lockdown) to use delivery over walk-in shopping, then what I said wouldn't apply - and that would raise a different question - how do we prevent or reduce persons that are sick or has disabilities so we can improve economic growth?
it is just an inefficient allocation of resources
it isn't, we have resources that are underutilized
the amazon flex person gets some extra money that they wouldn't have. With this extra money, they could either spend it on themselves to improve their productivity (education) or they could go out and spend it at a restaurant, then the restaurant could then spend that money to improve their productivity so on and so forth
now if you don't order that toilet rolls from amazon, they would eventually have to decrease the number of flex driver they have, making quick delivery less attainable (slower transfer of resources). the person that would otherwise got a job as a flex driver no longer has it, their income decreases, they won't be able to spend it into the economy
you can say that the result is similar since you could spend that extra money you would otherwise spend on getting the toilet rolls delivered into improving your productivity or spend it at a restaurant, so on so forth. but this way, you reduces the transactions in the economy which reduces economic output
you would also reduce the incentives to innovate if you don't get toilet roll delivered which then again also adversely affects the economy in terms of its productivity in the future
@ln28909: My friend, I appreciate the response you have just written. I think I'm just seeing this from a different angle.
you reduces the transactions in the economy which reduces economic output
I guess the key issue here is not only the number of transactions, but the multiplier effect - is the multiplier greater when we pay for something we don't need vs when we don't? And unfortunately (for me), I don't know if there are any stats to suggest that is greater under my argument.
I just think firms would be better of investing their resources to match the consumer's good-faith demand and the economy would be better off where more consumers demand something on good-faith - this is so the money could be spent on improving productivity or investing in a firm that supplies for good-faith demand.
On a side note, I think a lot of consumers are underutilising delivery services as they do not realise the benefits of delivery - e.g. a consumer that earns $70/h could have saved 30 minutes of shopping per week by only paying $60/y for Amazon Prime. It should be noted that my arguments are only based on the issue of bad-faith demand.
@ln28909: That's some bizarre mental gymnastics to justify 'busy work' as a means to stimulate the economy.
What would your ultimate stimulus be, a supermarket with one of each item on display and a army of plebs in a warehouse?
You press the 'bog roll' button and the assigned pleb grabs it from the warehouse, chucks it on their moped and races to where you stand.
You've created hundreds of menial jobs, stimulated demand for moped manufacturers and mechanics, and so much more.
It's just meaningless economic activity all the way down.
Genius.This example is clearly hyperbole but the argument that arbitrary economic activity generating futile inflation is somehow desirable seems like a rationalisation.
@AnneThrope: yes, some people are not skilled enough to do more complex task, you could gradually train them but right now, what you describe is the extent to which many people can do
and economic activities are not meaningless lol
@Nugs: Do you also boycott the "free delivery" on Uber Eats/Deliveroo/Menulog*?
The thing is… for the delivery drivers it doesn't matter if they are delivering one small item or something else. It'd be an Amazon box anyway. The drivers are still getting the same rates, and people buying stuff creates a demand for the drivers, otherwise they won't have a job.
*I honestly don't know if there is any difference for restaurants and drivers when there is free delivery. Who is paying the drivers when delivery is free? I imagine it's the restaurant, or shared between restaurant and platform?
you forgot petrol and running expenses
how does it get to this point
how does that michael cooley justify this
how's he sleep at night (I imagine very well on $100k plus)
@tonyjzx: And not to mention the environmental cost of getting a cpl items delivered that you could have got in your weekly shop for much the same price. Not sure this is a consideration for a lot of Ozbargainers.
Nothing sends a bigger message to a company than not being able to get staff because they want to pay them less than what Centrelink would pay
I am an Amazon Flex driver for the last year but have yet to accept one shift. I don't really need the money.
But my observation is that it is extremely hard to find a block. They are usually taken very quickly as soon as they are posted. It's quite competitive.
There will always be people that will take the blocks. Be it international students or other people who may be desperate for money.
Earn or learn amirite?
You must work for the liberal government.
i did read the article, to have an idea where the person is coming from. He was living on fishing from the beach and sell the fish to the restaurants ( somewhere in the Mediterranean Sea ). Imagine that.
But it's scary what they get paid, and what Amazon does not cover. The delivery industry ( ueber / deliveroo / amazon ) needs to be reviewed and regulated.
Or sit on your arse and reap the Centrelink benefits
Looks like the ABC is re-hashing old news: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/06/amazo… (the Aussie drivers still seem to have it better than the US-ones from 3 years ago :P)
Whilst the customer expectation is for super fast delivery, and there are drivers willing to do the work at the pay rates offered - this kind of situation will remain.
Seems to be a theme running when you also consider the Foreign Correspondent from last week (Korean delivery drivers).
They earn similar money for a 14 hour shift because the sorting they also do is unpaid. Some are dropping dead from over-work.
The reason Amazon get away with this is because there is a never ending supply of gullible and exploitable people willing to do it. It’s a bullshit rate of pay, but if people are truely unhappy with it, then they need to quit en-masse to send a message. If no one was doing the job, they would have to offer more to entice people back.
Your first sentence is exactly the reason your last sentence will never come to fruition.
That stream of people willing to do the work for peanuts for what ever their reason is, will never dry up.
I’d guess most people doing it would prefer not to be but due to circumstances, thats what they are stuck with. And in that circumstance, who’s going to take a gamble on a mass exodus with no where to go?
Its a vicious cycle.
It's sad that those driver think they are better off : "Love the freedom of not having a boss, shouting in their ears"
I do actually prefer my boss, because actually he never shouts in my ears, than stuck in traffic, in a car I have not paid off yet, and having to rely on someone feeding me bred crumbs ( parcel to deliver )
When I read it I wondered what if Amazon treated it's drivers better?
For example, slightly lower workload (if it's actually unmanageable like Alex says it is), give them human contact, maybe allow for some sort of vehicle expense. Because if you treat your workers well, it's likely they'll enjoy the job and do better at it, and in turn advise others to consider working there too. Through that, the company could deliver more packages and grow even larger than it is now if demand goes up (and it appears to be pretty high from those images).
yeah but bezos gets less money and blue origin suffers
So maybe Jeff Bezos should be a bit more charitable towards his workers considering that he has so much money huh? Who would have thought charity was a good thing?
And the ULTRA-Riches cannot take a flight into space.
People need money to live, and there is a job shortage.
We need flexible employment opportunities like this, but at current rate of pay and having to destroy your own car in the process it is not sustainable. I would be happy to do something like this when work drops off but I would not even entertain it for anything less than $50 an hour given I have to use my own car, fuel etc.
one would further ask why bezos, the richest (profanity) in all of history with the richest company is all of history needs to exploit people as a sustainable business
i think the whole model is rotten… from aramex to uber eats menulog uber itself, its all exploitation at the bottom
whether youre a driver or warehouse donkey, you're getting worked by slave masters
Just an aside: he is not the richest in history nor Amazon the richest in history. There were companies that could buy Amazon a few times over. East India Company had an army of 200k people.
You don't get rich by being honest, fair and respectful.
"You need to be an <profanity> to become a CEO, or if for some other reasons you become a CEO, you will become an <profanity>"
You can substitute CEO with RICH
one would further ask why bezos, the richest (profanity) in all of history with the richest company is all of history needs to exploit people as a sustainable business
Is this a genuine question or a dig at Bezos?
Honestly, I couldn't care less about Bezos. Seems like a strange guy anyway. However, the issue isn't Bezos and blaming him is just taking away the personal responsibility we all hold in this.
The simple truth is that we're all cheapskates. Consumers don't want to pay more. If there was a competitor who paid their workers more and charged consumers more, nobody would buy from them. If someone came out tomorrow and had better prices and convenience than Amazon, then Amazon would probably fold. Simple as that.
The issue is that we all say that we want alternatives, however, the expectation is that everyone else can shop at those alternatives whilst we continue to get the best prices at Amazon. Except everyone thinks that way and ends up going for the cheaper prices.
FWIW, being an Amazon delivery driver isn't actually that bad. What are the alternatives? Being yelled at by some idiot line manager in a factory? Dealing with drunk and idiotic customers in a restaurant? Lifting heavy boxes at Woolworths?
Most people outraged by this haven't worked any alternative jobs. Try working at Maccas - you have to know how to operate the register, be familiar with food safety, know how to make a whole bunch of items on the menu, operate a whole bunch of machines, know a whole bunch of protocols.
Correct. If there were no addicts, there would be no dealers.
However, the issue isn't Bezos and blaming him is just taking away the personal responsibility we all hold in this.The simple truth is that we're all cheapskates.
Can't you see what the problem is with that viewpoint though?
Why is it our responsibility to sacrifice in order to make Jeff Bezos do the right thing?
Bezos 197 billion dollars. $197,000,000,000.
98% of his customers spend most of their money on food, a place to live, and other essentials, and only have a tiny bit left to buy things they want (discretionary spending).
If he decided the workers, who make him all his money, had some kind of value as human beings, and raised their wages by say 20%, there's no way he could ever possibly detect the difference.
His customers can't do this without a much more significant sacrifice.
Why is it our responsibility to sacrifice in order to make Jeff Bezos do the right thing?
Because Bezos is irrelevant in this discussion. Amazon is providing a service that people want.
It might be uncomfortable for you, but it is simply the truth that the vast majority of people are happy with what Amazon provides them.
If he decided the workers, who make him all his money, had some kind of value as human beings, and raised their wages by say 20%, there's no way he could ever possibly detect the difference.
Except this is completely untrue. Amazon's operating income for 2020 was $22.9B. Think of this as "profits".
Amazon has 1.3 million employees. Let's assume that a 20% increase on their wages would imply a ~$15,000 yearly increase. This would be at a cost of $19.5B, or 85% of all of Amazon's profits in 2020.
So therefore, it is absolutely inconceivable that Amazon can increase wages by 20% without increasing their revenue base. and charging consumers more.
98% of his customers spend most of their money on food, a place to live, and other essentials, and only have a tiny bit left to buy things they want (discretionary spending).
This is also a ridiculous thing to say.
So what you are saying is that 98% of the population only have a "tiny bit left to buy things they want". You're really saying that about everyone not in the top 2% of people.
You just sound like you haven't thought through your argument. You are arguing from your own personal animosity towards Bezos, who FWIW owns < 10% of Amazon and is no longer the CEO. I don't really have an opinion Bezos, always struck me as a bit of a weird dude, but it's silly to argue that just because he's rich that Amazon's business model needs to change.
Exactly! I'd love to pick up some delivery routes in my spare time, maybe on a Saturday, for a bit of extra pocket money. However, at $25 an hour its barely worth it when you take out running expenses and the high likelihood they overload you with parcel and it takes 4.5 or 5 hours to deliver reducing the hourly rate even further.
Are you prepared to pay 20 bux for delivery or 120 for amazon prime then?
Amazon could increase its wages significantly before they make any worrisome dent in their profit margins. Their founder is flying around in rocket ships and flaunting his wealth all across the globe ffs he can hardly cry poor
$50/hr for a job that requires no skill, no interview, no barrier of entry?
Pipe dream to me.
`^ ing disgraceful wage of $108 for 4 hrs and them shouldering their own car expenses .
Competing with the other food delivery low wage drivers .
There's always the other option of not doing it? All these people enable these companies. If no one does the job at this pay rate, they will have to increase the rate. Good old globalisation is hard at work dropping wages though.
yeh there is, like hockey says 'get a good job'
but that doesnt mean that we should brush this off as 'yeah its all cool bro… other people can eat shit while i get my next day parcels'
i wouldnt do this for $108 even if you provided me with a paid up amazon van
but then again i got a well paying job and i rich so its all good /s
but that doesnt mean that we should brush this off as 'yeah its all cool bro… other people can eat shit while i get my next day parcels'
Then they shouldn't do it.
i wouldnt do this for $108 even if you provided me with a paid up amazon van
Neither would I.
@brendanm: Really? Haven't had to work a shit job before huh. $108 for 4 hours work sitting in a car sounds better than other jobs that are out there for minimum casual wage. If you have no skills / education / experience you will likely have to work for minimum wage. Macdonalds pays minimum casual wage to work the grill. It's hot, you burn yourself, you have to deal with rude customers, you don't get a break if you work less than 4 hours, you're on your feet the whole time, no one covers your travel costs to get to or from the location ,or contributes to your car expense to do so etc.
How about TA'ing for a roofer, get your 25 bucks an hour to carry tiles all day in 40 degree qld heat while you have to work at heights.
Sounds about the same really but they still find staff. No one is forcing you, if you don't like this crappy job go try another crappy low skill jobs. There is a reason certain jobs are always around.
Haven't had to work a shit job before huh.
I did a paper round when I was 13 or so? Did an apprenticeship, that was crap wages, but for a purpose.
No one is forcing you, if you don't like this crappy job go try another crappy low skill jobs.
Could always get some sort of skill?
Honestly not sure why you are telling me reasons why these jobs are crap?
@brendanm: Might have been a bad take, but I thought it came as saying why would anyone do that job for $108 and I was trying to balance it by saying there are people who would consider this ok and have likely experienced worse. I would have done it 18 years ago. Not so much now…but horses for course right.
@zephyrfox: 18yrs ago $108 would probably buy more and it wouldnt have been as intense
i've worked for something like $120 a day doing hospitality and yeah it wasnt so unusal decades ago but neither was slavery
@tonyjzx: Yep agree. I did take into account the time period with my response, as I'm pretty sure I was earning around $12/hr and it wasn't so terrible that I wouldn't do it. $108 for 4 hours to drive and deliver packages would have been amazing but in that time period it might have been closer to $60. Still would have done it.
If you're trying to say $30 an hour is slavery, that's pretty much in the same league as calling someone with a slightly different opinion than yourself Hitler. Completely over the top.
Apologies if you were making a general comment about the world where slavery does actually exist, but always has and likely to a greater extent.
“They have to do what Amazon says, like it or lump it.”
Yes… That is how jobs work.
They have been deprived of basic employment rights through exploiting people as independent contractors when they are quite clearly (IMHO) direct employees of amazon. I get the flexibility that the job offers, but they should really be classified as casual workers, with an appropriate casual loading, and car allowances, not as independent contractors.
Its interesting to now understand how amazon delivers parcels so cheap. 9 packages an hour, for four hours is 36 packages. $108 a day means the cost to amazon is only about $3 per parcel for this last mile delivery service.
I agree that they should be classified as casual workers.
Regardless of being casual/contractor/full time, you need to follow the directions of your employer (within law). It's literally what employment is.
it shows a remarkable amount of apathy to tell people to suck it up or leave
i think its a poor reflection of society that such things can happen and is legal and there's no govt. oversight
but hey, bezos needs more money to get to mars i guess
@tonyjzx: I agree there should be more regulation around it, and I didn't say the people should suck it up and stay.
I just thought that "I have to do what my boss says, like it or lump it" was true of 100% of jobs?
EDIT: FWIW I personally think we should both increase regulation around the casual workforce, and increase welfare so that people aren't forced to take shitty jobs like this
@abcdefg5: In Switzerland ( yes really rich country ) if you lose your job, you don't get redundancy. Also you can be sacked, because you don't fit the profile anymore, no need for the company to restructure or "manage out" someone.
BUT
You get about 400 days of unemployment money at 70% or 80% ( if you have kids under 18 ) of your salary, up to a maximum of $6500 payout a month.
How is it financed? By a 10% tax ( 5 employer 5 employee ) on the salary.The advantage of that is that no employee has to "eat shit" to make a living, and companies know that, and treat their employees better.
My comment was more about pointing out the hypocrisy of Amazon telling workers to obey their rules, when Amazon doesn’t appear to be obeying the law themselves regarding employer obligations — which I would say should come first.
The article comments about how many of the workers make best efforts to obey Amazons rules, but are sometimes unable to, for reasons outside of their control, for which they are in turn subject to Amazon’s punitive and seemingly arbitrary policies.
Its interesting to now understand how amazon delivers parcels so cheap.
The fact is cheap goods are likely a function of slave labour conditions no matter the good. "Fast. Good. Cheap. Pick two."
I watched the training videos for Amazon Flex drivers and they go to length to illustrate how you are running your own business. Things like; choosing your hours (delivery blocks), no uniform, very loose vehicle requirements, etc. I agree that this is setup to exploit workers but there other providers like Delivroo who seem much more egregious when it comes to classifying its workers and contractors.
No Uniform = Software developer not needing suit and ties to go to work
457 it's a rort to keep us down. Also citizenship for fruit pickers etc is all about wage stagflation.
This is what they don’t realise… the farmers are always crying that they can’t get Australian workers to pick fruit… no, of course they can’t when they want to pay workers pennies for long days in the elements doing back breaking work… what they need to be saying is, we can’t get Australian workers to do the work for the piss poor amount of money we want to pay them. We need an easier to exploit workforce.
I see this over and over farmers cannot pay.
Look at the duopoly supermarket giants or their supply chains, do you think a farmer have any negotiation power on their produce?
Milk farmers have gone bust thanks to $1/lt milks, and I say any farmers would happily increase their price to accommodate their margin and employees with better pay but it is not possible.
The reality is that they cannot and are stuck with limbo, pay what they can and get whoever they can hire at that low price.And unpredictable weather thanks to climate change doesn't help most of farmers.
But you do like your apples at $3.50 the Kg in the markets, don't you. You might even go shopping in ALDI.
Im pretty sure most people dont give a shit and would gladly shop at Aldi if it meant workers were paid even less so they can save more.
Their contract terms are awful.
This Foreign Correspondent story last week on South Korea’s delivery workers shows that it can be even worse …… shocking.
I watched this last night. It's bloody scary and shocking.
“Do you really think it’s OK to turn a blind eye or force someone to be sacrificed for your convenience?
ozbargain says this is ok
You mean Ozamazonbargain.com.au ;)
Especially when every second 'bargain' posted. is saving a few cents from Amazon so they can help pay some rich white guy to go into outer space.
as much as i dislike gerry harvey, i known a few people who worked there and for the most part, its like any aust business
you work a fair day, you get a fair wage, you're not pissing in bottles nor are you passing out thru exhaustion, nor are you paid $108 for 40 deliveries lol
so i'm reluctant to buy from gerry but i flat out will not buy from amazon
i really despise bezos, harvey hasnt killed anyone, bezos has
There is an oversupply of unemployed people being locked up at home. There are probably 20 or more people applying for every available job.
Delivery jobs are unskilled work where all workers are expendable and can be replaced at a moment's notice. One goes out the door and 20 comes rushing in.
Technology is making businesses more efficient. Code, machine learning and bots are the future of employment.
We will have a UBI before long. Scotland already working on it.
with LNP gov that's very unlikely. Their mantra is to pay for your own way. Health (private insurance), Education(uni fees gone up, public school funding drying up while private still get paid more than fair share), Road (toll everywhere), NBN (Mixed tech failure)
The biggest 2020 mistake is how they tried to save $1.2bil by not signing up with Pfizer last year. It's costing us like $2bil every week.
It's like when you bet $100 on red, and black comes out. Wrong bet.
SCOMO saw the AZ, produced in Australia at $3 vs. $20 Pfizer from overseas. He bet on AZ, and Pfizer won.
Difference to Roulette, SCOMO could have put $100 on red and $1000 on black, he had the money. And a $5 on zero, just in case.
The AZ bet was actually shrewd. Shown to have higher immunity after 4 months than Pfizer.
The media & ATAGI just (profanity) AZ.
The AZ bet was actually shrewd. Shown to have higher immunity after 4 months than Pfizer.
That's what they want you to believe, so that you take AZ
Check how many European countries use AZ ?
I did read an article about the way the vaccines work, and booster shot with AZ are less effective, because the immune system develops an immunity against the AZ jab, while this does not apply for Pfizer.
So AZ has to develop a slightly different transport system for the inoculation for the booster shot to be effective.
If it's no way to live, get another job?