Massive Twitch Leak Reveals Streamers Earnings, Source Code and Much More

SnowDragon on 07/10/2021 - 08:46
Last edited 07/10/2021 - 11:55

Well Twitch has had their pants pulled down today.

Included in the leak:

  • 3 years worth of details regarding creator payouts on Twitch.
  • The entirety of twitch.tv, “with commit history going back to its early beginnings.”
  • Source code for the mobile, desktop, and video game console Twitch clients.
  • Code related to proprietary SDKs and internal AWS services used by Twitch.
  • An unreleased Steam competitor from Amazon Game Studios.
  • Data on other Twitch properties like IGDB and CurseForge.
  • Twitch’s internal security tools.

This is also a "part 1" of leaks. Part 2 could include passwords and other personal information so if you have a Twitch account it's worth changing your password and enabling 2FA.

It didn't take long for someone to put up a website showing how much streamers actually make: https://twitch.pages.dev/. Worth noting that this is basically only subscriptions and ad revenue. Streamers make a lot more from sponsorships and donations - so this may be only around half of what they actually earn.

Bajo, the former Good Game host, made USD $180k in the past two years.

I'm sure Uncle Jeff isn't going to be happy.

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  • [Deactivated] on 07/10/2021 - 08:47
    +14

    Meh

    • Chchnu on 08/10/2021 - 12:27
      +3

      Pokimaine 38k usd in September

      • NatoTomato on 08/10/2021 - 12:33
        +1

        Interesting that you point that out when there are streamers making a lot more than her…

        • cheapwood on 08/10/2021 - 13:44

          She capped her donations https://twitter.com/pokimanelol/status/1445799237774573568?s…

        • Chchnu on 08/10/2021 - 15:01
          +20

          Ok sure. Fyi showing her this screenshot of you defending her isnt gona make her marry you.

          • NatoTomato on 08/10/2021 - 16:03
            +5

            @Chchnu: :( really… well maybe if I donate $500 dollars, oh wait, she capped her donations so I can't do that.
            How am I going to get her attention now :'(

            • Chchnu on 09/10/2021 - 10:23

              @centrelink: If Poki can say that the 38k usd (52k aud) a month (not including donations) and she can say its "the lowest part of my income"

              https://mobile.twitter.com/pokimanelol/status/14457992377745…

              She does need to be relavant in 10 years. Shes does alot of appearance fees and sponsorships plus shes in that new Free Guys movie.

            • baker bob on 10/10/2021 - 00:35
              +5

              @centrelink: I personally think following other people on social media is stupid and a waste of time but shaming someone that has done nothing to you? Come on man, time to put big boy pants on and stop acting like a child.

            • liongalahad on 10/10/2021 - 18:40

              @centrelink: "like woman with children"… really?
              wtf is wrong with you, man

          • sauce2k on 10/10/2021 - 22:52

            @Chchnu: hahahah love it Chchnu. I can't stand these simps :) lmao I still remember those gimps got sad during Valentines day

      • burningrage on 10/10/2021 - 20:51

        I must admit, I never heard of this person before and now I have.

        No wonder there is a remark about marrying her.

  • tallkid123 on 07/10/2021 - 08:52
    +5

    These people paid a heavy price in terms of notoriety and 'fame' for their money.

    I would never sacrifice my anonymity for their earnings.

    Rich and anonymous is the dream.

    It amuses me that I know who half of these people are from their youtube channels. I personally don't understand the appeal of streaming and giving subs or donations.

    • SnowDragon on 07/10/2021 - 08:55
      +8

      It's especially not worth doing if you have a toxic fan base. xQc was being "Swatted" almost every day and eventually had to move houses to get away from it.

      • westzod on 07/10/2021 - 10:02
        +4

        He apparently couldn't sleep and has nightmares of people stalking him. It's sickening dude just wants to play games lol.

        • Stopback on 07/10/2021 - 10:48
          -3

          dude could stop streaming if he didn't want to get swatted

          • CptnObvious on 07/10/2021 - 12:35
            -1

            @Stopback: but how would he sustain his hobby of full time gamer?

            • gizmomelb on 09/10/2021 - 23:55
              +2

              @CptnObvious: presumably either the dole, rich parents or get a job like the rest of us.

      • KSMLJ on 07/10/2021 - 22:18
        +11

        Had to google this.

        Swatting is a criminal harassment tactic of deceiving an emergency service into sending a police and emergency service response team to another person's address.

        WT actual F.

        • Cluster on 08/10/2021 - 18:16
          +3

          Two people have died as a direct result of swatting in the USA. It's absolutely sick.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Wichita_swatting

          As a bonus, the SWAT team were sent to the wrong house and gunned down a man completely uninvolved in the petty dispute between gamers. Fortunately the swatter received a 20 year jail sentence. Good.

          • brendanm on 09/10/2021 - 10:05
            +3

            @Cluster: Nice that the cop that shot him for no reason had no repercussions.

      • Chchnu on 09/10/2021 - 10:25
        -1

        Id get swatted too for 15mil aud.

    • w37hsyea on 07/10/2021 - 09:34
      +3

      People are almost forced to find social connections online - and the need to belong to a community and avoid loneliness is where Twitch takes advantage.

    • netjock on 07/10/2021 - 09:38
      -5

      Rich and anonymous is the dream.

      Not for Donald Trump. Dropping out of the Forbes 400 list means he is an anonymous billionaire.

    • tallkid123 on 07/10/2021 - 17:05
      +1

      2 downvoters probably got offended when I looked down upon their habit of donating to their favourite hot tub streams on Twitch, haha.

      • Chchnu on 09/10/2021 - 01:57

        Found an Amouranth fan

    • Lanushi on 08/10/2021 - 15:38

      I think it would be extremely difficult to remain anon and have so much money. There's always someone, not unlike these hackers, who would want to know who you are and how much you have. Could be for their own reasons or more malicious ones. If you were using your wealth for yourself and not to have power over others, then it might be doable. But then how do you remain rich?

      Just some afternoon musings for a Friday…

    • Muzeeb on 07/10/2021 - 09:26
      +52

      Reading about people writing about watching people play video games on ozbargain. That's peak excitement for me sadly.

      • iDroid on 07/10/2021 - 22:35
        +3

        Reading about your opinion of people writing about watching people play video games is up there for me also.

        I'm just missing an MS Paint diagram and I'll be set.

    • iTzTeFish on 07/10/2021 - 09:40
      +42

      Watching people play sport, how exciting.

        • DingoBilly on 07/10/2021 - 11:34
          +17

          Your equivalent of turning on the Xbox is the equivalent of me kicking a ball in the living room or going for a swim in the pool etc.. Both are very low entry to play the sport.

          To be the best at either sports or video games takes thousands of hours of practice and dedication.

          • brendanm on 07/10/2021 - 14:21
            -7

            @DingoBilly:

            To be the best at either sports or video games takes thousands of hours of practice and dedication.

            To be clear, I don't actually care about watching sports either, though with one of these, at least you are getting some exercise.

        • xazark on 07/10/2021 - 11:38
          +7

          there are professional esports players but its also the entertainment, they are not just playing video games, they are interacting with the chat making it significantly more interactive than watching people kick a ball around a field..

          • brendanm on 07/10/2021 - 14:19

            @xazark:

            they are interacting with the chat

            Wow, some literally who is talking to me while I watch them play video games. Take my money now, I need a friend simulator.

            • CommuterPolluter on 08/10/2021 - 12:39
              +3

              @brendanm: It’s definitely a parasocial relationship with many fans of certain content creators (i.e. corpsehusband). Some YouTubers are actually pretty funny.

        • logisync on 08/10/2021 - 03:47
          +4

          grandpa, is that you?

          • brendanm on 08/10/2021 - 11:01
            -4

            @logisync: Not capable of playing a game yourself? Sad.

        • Nereosis on 08/10/2021 - 15:21
          +1

          I bet you think motorsport isn't a sport either because they just sit down

        • Rumstein on 08/10/2021 - 23:00
          +5

          Sorry but being a successful streamer is mostly about being an entertaining personality.

          You probably wouldnt make much.

          • brendanm on 08/10/2021 - 23:14
            -1

            @Rumstein: I have absolutely zero wish to do it, so we won't find out.

    • w37hsyea on 07/10/2021 - 09:42

      You can actually stream anything from your computer. You could have discussions - do commentary. Really anything with the webcam and video capture.

    • [Deactivated] on 07/10/2021 - 10:33
      +2

      Watching people sell brands*/products under the guise of playing video games.

      (*) Including their own.

    • belongsinforums on 08/10/2021 - 00:21

      either that or booba

  • DingoBilly on 07/10/2021 - 09:23
    +13

    I found the incomes pretty interesting. I knew people earned a lot, but not quite how much. Lots of people over a million dollars streaming.. pretty crazy. And that's not including other avenues of income like Youtube, third-party sponsors etc.

    I'd happily play a game for 6-8 hours a day instead of working a shitty job.. but guess you have to keep it entertaining as well which is hard.

    • Stopback on 07/10/2021 - 09:30
      +12

      having to keep on making content every day is hard

      • SnowDragon on 07/10/2021 - 09:38
        +11

        On paper it sounds like a good job - but it's probably not as fun as it looks. In addition to actually playing the game you'd need to commentate everything as well as respond to faceless people chatting to you via messages. Alternatively you could be a woman and hop in a hot tub for easy views.

        You're essentially talking to yourself for 8 hours and trying to be entertaining at the same time.

      • coffeeinmyveins on 07/10/2021 - 13:16
        +4

        having to keep on making content every day is hard

        So is a fulltime job earning 10% or less of what they've gotten.

        Let's not kid ourselves, they make videos and get paid hundreds if not millions of dollars for it.

        • nigel deborah on 08/10/2021 - 20:35
          +1

          Only the top few thousand are making a living wage off it. There are a LOT more than that working full time to try make it work.

          • dickiee on 10/10/2021 - 11:13

            @nigel deborah: If you look at it like any other professional sport. You can be excellent at it, train your whole life, get injured and need physio or surgery to keep you being able to play. Waking up at 3/4am to train all day and follow an extremely strict diet and exercise regime. And unless you are in the top 3% depending on the sport. You won't make a liveable wage or still have to work to supplement the possible income you earn.

            Which I think as a society we really need more support behind females in sports. It's good for the community and good for role models for us with little girls growing up.

            I would hate to see my little girl idolise some bath tub twitch streamer…

        • Kangal on 08/10/2021 - 20:54
          +1

          Exactly.
          Whilst SnowDragon has a point, that it is not "that easy" to be successful in the field. But that is still detracting from the main point of money earned vs money deserved.

          We have to remember that this job requires no degree, no examination, no loans, etc etc. Imagine studying hard to be in the top 1% of students, studying medicine fulltime, having no pay for many years, having a student loan debt, and then working long and odd hours. And at the end of it, you still don't get paid as much as many from this list. And if you keep working as a Regular GP (not specialising) for someone else/hospital, you end up getting ripped off pay-wise for the rest of your career.

          I'm not telling people to go start streaming (Twitch/OnlyFans) but it does make my older brain ache and wonder wtf has happened to the world. It's like entertainment is more important to people in society (supply/demand) than other things like basic needs.

          • Antikythera on 09/10/2021 - 10:56

            @Kangal: one of the Australian twitch gaming streamers is listed as making ~45k and I'm pretty sure she has a corporate job too from comments she made on the couple of times I watched her content. nice little side earner.

        • Baghern on 10/10/2021 - 17:16

          tell that to the 10,000s who are making less than $100 a month on twithc

    • geek001 on 07/10/2021 - 09:33
      +5

      If everyone starts streaming instead of working, who will actually work shitty jobs to pay for the donations/subs? :)

      • afoveht on 07/10/2021 - 10:22
        +4

        Sshhhhh… If you keep up this thought then the whole "anyone can make it if they try" narrative dies and so do the systems it fosters.

    • xazark on 07/10/2021 - 12:11
      +3

      Although it sounds like a dream job, it is far from it.

      The top streamers often stream for significantly more than your standard 40hr work week with some actually streaming, i.e actually live to viewers for 300+hrs per month. That's more than 10hours every single day, not just M-F, every single day. And remember that's just STREAMING. that doesn't include all of the behind the scenes work that needs to be done, emails, planning, preparation, sponsorship, editing, content creation, posting on other media platforms, contract negotiation.

      In addition to that you often aren't able to play games that you actually enjoy (if gaming is your content), instead having to play what your audience wants to watch to make sure they come back, you have to deal with no anonymity with multiple streamers being stalked and/or being swatted (look it up if you dont know the term means) resulting in several streamers having had to move multiple times because of it and also dealing with the toxicity of the internet in real time is extremely hard on your mental health.

      If you are interested you should watch this talk by Devin Nash who goes into some details around how difficult it really is to be a streamer, its a long video but well worth the watch imo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0kUaWmX3Yg

      • Muzeeb on 07/10/2021 - 15:50
        +3

        The top streamers often stream for significantly more than your standard 40hr work week

        Even if it's 70 hours per week it's still a very good hourly rate. Clearly not sustainable for ever but earn it while you can I guess.

        Still better than that ozbargain nurse that works 80hrs per week for $200k pa

      • May4th on 09/10/2021 - 15:29

        yeah i don't know about how tough it is to sit in front of your computer all day when you have surgeons (picking the highest average income earner out of professional jobs) studying 20+ years and working 100+hr weeks for years and years in mentally and physically demanding environments quite literally holding people's lives in their hands making less than those twitch stars

        it's just how the world works that the top tier entertainers will always make more, whether it be streamers/youtubers/singers/actors/sports stars. is it fair or right? you tell me

        • Momble on 10/10/2021 - 16:58

          Simple scalability mate, don't get upset.
          A doctor or a nurse provides immense value, but to only one patient at a time.
          Somebody making star wars videos provides objectively very little value, but to hundreds of thousands of people per video.
          The overall value created is significantly higher.

          • May4th on 10/10/2021 - 18:32

            @Momble: not upset, i'm just saying that's how the world works.

            A doctor or a nurse provides immense value, but to only one patient at a time.

            not true. scalability is irrelevant. if you were part of the team who invented the covid vaccines you quite literally saved millions of lives but unless you hold stake in the companies that manufactures the vaccines you are paid your usual paltry salary, and don't tell me the youtubers work harder than those who were working around the clock to get a vaccine out in the midst of the pandemic

            • blurn on 10/10/2021 - 20:09

              @May4th: I’d argue that scalability in this context depends on the party providing financial compensation. In the entertainment industry, it’s the number of people listening, watching, or playing that determines their income which can be volatile whereas in healthcare it’s the company offering a stable fixed income and providing additional benefits. Also past a certain salary, studies have shown people’s happiness levels doesn’t increase.

    • [Deactivated] on 08/10/2021 - 11:35

      Most these streamers aren't entertaining, they're just very good at gaming and been doing it for a long time.

      If you're good at entertaining, you can probably get involved.

      Warzone alone has made plenty of streamers millionaires, and as mentioned donations on top, YouTube videos making $200-400 a day plus in-video sponsors.

    • Rumstein on 08/10/2021 - 23:13
      +1

      Streaming is harder work than you think. Its actually incredibly stressful and exhausting being so switched on playing for a long period of time, AND being entertaining enough to gain/maintain followers and subs.

      I tried for 2 months while on vacation, consistently streaming, not even focusing on viewers etc, I started hating the games.

  • w37hsyea on 07/10/2021 - 09:32
    +6

    In all practicality - I find seeing hacking, security breaches etc to be quite amazing in this day and age - given how unsecure networks are. It's really coming to the forefront that I expect network penetrations will be the most common form of crime in the future.

    • plmko on 07/10/2021 - 09:43
      +3

      We'll see more of these hacks as people work from home.

    • Nereosis on 08/10/2021 - 15:33
      +1

      I don't know if Hack is the correct term when I am fairly positive this was mostly social engineering. You can't "hack" a modern company and pull this much stuff unless they have accounts that have full domain access (very outdated account structure).

  • Ryanek on 07/10/2021 - 09:42
    +9

    Amazon bought Twitch for $970M. You can own the code for free!

    • misu p on 11/10/2021 - 10:57

      Who cares about code mate? (note that I am a developer so I know code). Amazon bought the users / brand recognition for that much.

      What are you going to do with the code? run your own twitch? try it… see how it works out for you. I bet you would not even be able to get it up and running yet alone making a successful business out of it.

      Security through obscurity even though it not the best practice it does work, so a bigger concern is bad actors going through your code and figuring out security issues. Even worse is they now know your dependencies so they can try to take over some obscure one and inject bad code into your app.

      • Ryanek on 11/10/2021 - 11:06

        I'm a developer too. You're misguided if you don't think that code has value.

  • nomoneynoproblems on 07/10/2021 - 09:51
    +2

    Pestilly absolutely racking it in. Raised over a million for the make a wish foundation while also making more! Crazy. From infantry grunt to a millionaire. Dude is living the dream.

    • yippy on 07/10/2021 - 10:22

      Good on him. Great to seeing him doing well on Twitch.

  • Trying2SaveABuck on 07/10/2021 - 09:58
    +49

    I am noticing in Australia we are becoming a nation of hating anyone who is successful

    I hear all this crap about 'well they are rich but not happy' or 'i wouldnt do that for money' blah blah BULLSHIT

    good on the twitch streams and their success

    im over jealous people who have done nothing or very little with their lives judging others

    success isnt a crime and if you have an issue with others being successful then you are the problem not them

    They saw a gap in the entertainment market and took it.

    • nomoneynoproblems on 07/10/2021 - 10:08
      +8

      Unfortunately tall poppy syndrome is an Australian trait inherited from the brits…

      • lonewolf on 07/10/2021 - 20:20
        +12

        Pretty sure that is a universal Human trait and not reserved only for Aussies or Brits.

        • nomoneynoproblems on 08/10/2021 - 10:26
          +1

          What else are you going tell me? That other humans ride their kangaroos to work and not just us Aussies?

          • lonewolf on 08/10/2021 - 11:33
            +1

            @nomoneynoproblems: No just that, pretty sure the idea of being jealous or envious of someone else doing well / better than you has been around for a lot longer than Australia has been around. And is pretty much ingrained into humans long before even Britain came about.

    • immortalbjr on 07/10/2021 - 21:05
      +2

      "Becoming"? mate it has been for the past 20+ years or as long as I can remember.

      Majority of Aussies are the closest thing you'll find to crabs in a pot.

    • sk3iron on 09/10/2021 - 12:50
      -1

      It's not that, tits not exactly like they're contributing anything to society sitting in their room playing video games for sad nerds willing to give them truckloads of money, IMO I feel more sad about the people that give these knobs money not for the fact that they make it.

      Don't get me wrong, if they're hosting a proper show like CriticalRole is completely different but watching some guy in his mum's basement in his sweatpants playing sweaty Fortnite or WoW raids for 12 hours straight is not content creation worthy of not getting a real job and before someone says "they're hosting a show too"… i'm sorry, but no.

    • idonotknowwhy on 09/10/2021 - 19:53

      Not just streamers. Happens if you say you've been mining crypto for a couple of years, etc.

    • burningrage on 10/10/2021 - 16:10

      Hear hear!

    • Baghern on 10/10/2021 - 17:18

      Haha you can't imagine the hate I've seen on Reddits.

      Yanks with their income inequality, hate anyone earning good money

  • wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww on 07/10/2021 - 10:09

    For those who would like to pry on past year earnings.
    https://www.twitchearnings.com/

    • YeemaiI on 07/10/2021 - 10:44

      Do note that these earnings are most probably in $USD

  • popsiee on 07/10/2021 - 10:47
    +1

    Can I start twitching with OZB in the background to be unique providing gaming and bargains ?

    But I'm not sure I will get paid enough being on the bottom of the list hehe like being 1,234,467 :)

  • Bafranz on 07/10/2021 - 11:45

    Can't access website, shame, wanted to check it out

  • kanmen on 07/10/2021 - 12:29
    +1

    How is Zerkaa earning the most out of all the Sidemen?

    • Eshay on 09/10/2021 - 18:53

      gta streams :O

  • Jugganautx on 07/10/2021 - 14:03

    There are 2907 twitch streamers on more money than i am. How depressing.

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