My Experience with Sony Support after Receiving a Damaged TV

Hi everyone, I have already posted this to whirlpool but decided I would like to give my experience some more exposure and maybe prevent this happening from someone else who may be deciding to buy a Sony TV. I apologise in advance for the length of this post.

Initial Whirlpool post:

On 05 March I ordered a 75" X90J from the online Sony store. I was eagerly awaiting the delivery of the tv which arrived on 18 March. My partner was home to receive the delivery and noticed when the truck rocked up the tv was not secured and was leaning on another object. There was however no physical damage to the box.

Upon getting home from work we unboxed the TV. Upon unboxing we noticed that the screen of the tv was badly cracked at the bottom above the sony logo. The cracks also ran across the length of the tv. I was completely deflated, I put the tv straight back in the box. I thought to myself "it's okay I'm sure this happens often enough that Sony will be able to provide me with a replacement in no time" – I was very wrong.

First thing next morning I rang Sony Support and let them know what happened. The customer service rep told me I would need to take photos of both the tv and the box. I informed the consultant that I had already returned the tv to the packaging so I was required to unbox the tv a second time to take photos.

I took the photos as asked and sent them in an email to the customer rep. As it was a weekend I was told that I would receive a response on the following Monday (21 March). I received a response from the rep on the Monday stating;

"I got a feedback from the management team, the tv is declaared out of carton damage based on provided photos. This can be repair but with charges, or i can offer again a new tv for trade in discount."

Needless to say I was infuriated. I sent a response which included an inquiry into how they believe the damage to the tv was caused, that I will not accept any less than a full refund or replacement and that I would contact the ACCC. The response to this email was as follows;

"As per checking by our management team, based on the photos this is damage out of the carton box."

The customer rep completely disregarded what I had to say. I then replied with a professionally drafted email stating what had happened, my rights under ACL and my intent if I do not receive a refund or replacement (submit complaint to Office of Fair Trading Queensland). My complaint was not escalated until the Sony Facebook team replied to a message my partner sent. They replied to me this morning with this:

"Given the photos and information you have provided, the issue being reported is consistent of being a Physical damage in nature. Hence, the warranty of the tv cannot be applied should you wish to repair the unit. We can still book the unit for repair, but charges will apply. Alternatively, we can look at a trade in option instead if cost of repair would be uneconomical.

Whilst we understand that this is not the resolution you were expecting to have, we would still want to let you know that this case has been reviewed thoroughly with consideration."

Once again they have made no effort to address anything I have said. It's pretty clear that there is in fact no care for customers whatsoever. I have now submitted an Official Complaint to Office of Fair Trading Queensland.

Apologies for the essay. What are your thoughts on this matter? Any advice would be appreciated.

28 Mar 22 - I sent another email to Sony asking if the TV had been checked prior to sending and to provide evidence of such. This is the response I got:

"SONY BRAVIA TVs have gone through numerous inspections and quality checks to ensure that our products roll off the production line in pristine condition prior to packaging.

On our end if you want further information you can send or file a complain to [email protected]"

As you can see once again they do not answer my question at all I replied and pushed the point further to which they said:

"As I've mentioned Sir, after the inspection prior to packaging it will automatically dispatch, after inspection then packaging then lastly it will be dispatch."

I received a response from Office of Fair Trading QLD who said they will soon contact Sony. If they fail to get a resolution I may just contact my bank to get a chargeback.

06 Apr 22 - Still haven't heard back from fair trading.

I went to send Sony support an email notifying them that I will be requesting a chargeback from my bank.

It seems they have now blocked my email address as my emails are failing to be received. (System undeliverable identified as spam)

12 Apr 22- Yet another update. Fair trading have got back to me with another request from Sony.

They have requested me to once again take the TV out of the box to measure the distance from the cracks in the centre to all sides of the TV. So I will once again take the TV out and set it up to get the measurements.

I attempted to organise a chargeback through my bank however they denied it as it was a shipped item.

03 May 22 - Fair Trading was unable to help any further. Sony still refuse to replace or refund. Here was their response to fair trading:

"Sorry for the delay, this has been under investigation with our factory team extensively.
Our opinion is that it is highly unlikely that the TV was damaged in transit to the customer. From all details provided it appears that the TV was damaged after it was removed from its carton.

Im not sure how the customer will progress but as previously mentioned we can offer a remedy via repair quotation or a subsidised replacement TV at factory pricing.

I have provided as much of a technical summary as I can below. Essentially the details that are missing is how the customer handled the product whilst removing it from the carton. I can only speculate how the damage occurred, but we can never know what occurred exactly.

In summary

No abnormalities were observed at the factory or manufacturing site in Malaysia.
75” TV sets are handled by an automated robot during packing process, no human error or physical touching of the TV screen occurred during packing.
From CCTV footage, there were no abnormalities found during quality control inspection and no abnormality found during the packing process."

I just don’t know what to do at this point. I’m not even angry anymore just sad and disappointed.

05 May 22 (currently) - I have contacted my bank once again to see if they can do a chargeback, I gave them more information regarding the situation as well as the VISA chargeback code. I am awaiting a response from them. I have also applied for free legal advice regarding the matter. Should the chargeback request be denied I will have no option left but to go through QCAT. Below are some photos of the damage to the TV.

https://imgur.com/a/llZxjQA
https://imgur.com/a/cDYiW5I

I have been extremely disappointed by the way I have been treated from Sony, especially as a long time loyal customer. I saw a similar post to mine regarding receiving a damaged tv from them which got resolved so I was quite confident they would be able to help me. Again apologies for the length of the post, however I think it's important people are made aware of how Sony treat their customers. I would appreciate any thoughts or advice on the matter.

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Comments

  • +18

    I have seen this style of post before….

    • +6

      I was exactly thinking the same!!! Pretty sure there was a recent post about this.

      • +14

        Can you please share some examples of Australian manufactured TV? Pretty excited to see what the options are!

        • -4
          • +3

            @[Deactivated]: Thanks for that. Can you please enlighten us with the moral of the story here? You're comparing Op's choice of TV with the Aussie manufactured AWA CRT. What are the key advantages and pros to support your recommendation of Aussie manufacturing vs Malaysian? Keen to hear your thoughts on this.

            • -8

              @moo: Moooo…..

          • +5

            @[Deactivated]: I agree manufacturing in Australia is important… but this seems outdated ?

    • +2

      What exactly does this mean? What's this supposed to infer? Am I missing something?

  • +55

    Not that it helps much now but always take video footage of opening items delivered that are expensive

    • Great Idea

    • +14

      They can always argue that the video was taken after it had already been opened once.

      • +7

        You mean they're arguing that you would have opened the box, damaged the goods, repackaged and sealed the box perfectly - then whipped out a camera to start recording as if you've just received the goods and opening for the first time?

        Yeah… they "could" argue that, but that's a pretty weak argument. You can tell when a box has been opened and repackaged - and with no evidence to suggest that it wouldn't hold at all under any sort of escalated dispute.

      • +2

        Just take the video from when the courier comes to your door. Immediately open it

        • +1

          Do people really do this?
          It's good to make comments around this but it doesn't seem like something anyone would actually do.

        • Why stop there? Take a video from when the earth was created to when the goods were delivered. That should cover it.

    • +11

      Need to pick it up from the store/receive delivery with a GoPro strapped to your head.

  • +86

    So any damage that happens after the box is opened is caused by the customer, but you can't check for damage without taking the TV out of the box? What kind of arse-backwards thinking is that?

    • +43

      The tv is both cracked and not.. . Schrödinger's theory lol

      • +15

        Schrödinger's TV

        • +4

          …but the box belongs to the cat ^._.^

    • -3

      No they aren't saying that anywhere that I can see. Sony are saying they are confident that it wasn't damaged before packaging and since there's no damage to the box they are also saying it's unlikely that it was damaged in transit.

      Out of carton damage meaning they beleive THIS unit was damaged after unpacking, not before packaging or during shipment.

      They mention some of the reasons that they beleive this, e.g. the apparent footage and checking at the factory, lack of damage to the box. There may be more to it, such as the actual images showing a type of damage that they don't think the unit could have sustained until the box was opened.

      If the box was damaged, the type of damage sustained was different or they weren't confident that it left the factory in good condition it might be a different story.

      I haven't seen the images of the damage but I don't know how they would be so sure it wasn't done in transit… My money is on damage in shipping.

    • +1

      It is why you always unbox something expensive with video footage.

      • +9

        Unless you unbox it right in front of the delivery person otherwise Sony can still argue that you broke the TV, packed it back into the box then filmed the unboxing of the TV later.

        • +2

          They could, but they will struggle arguing that at fair trading without evidence.

          • +11

            @gromit: Nah Sony just needs to send it’s own assessor to inspect and writes a report that the TV is damaged by the customer and closes the case. Fair trading always sides the big guys and tells you about your right to take it to the court. It is how it always ends because I have gone through similar process with Hisense and Consumer Protection in WA.

        • +2

          Need to pick it up from the store/receive delivery with a GoPro strapped to your head.

        • Record video from moment of delivery

    • @adoshouse The same logic that worked in Salem.

      • In Salem? Witch trial logic still happens today, but we've simply expanded what it means to be a witch to be inclusive of most minorities.

        The Hollywood blacklist is a more modern day example of witch trial logic. Hell, even modern day Australia still convicts minorities on what amounts to little more than heresy, it just isn't remotely similar.

        Source:
        The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe.

    • Sony does have funny way of opening the box and I have seen some ppl got caught in that and damage the TV.

  • +8

    Most retailers now have stringent delivery conditions so these things don't happen or they prevent liability/accountability.

    In your case its difficult to prove your innocence so the only place to go is to fight it in QCAT.

    • +6

      Agreed JB opens the box instore and signs paperwork with the customer for this very same reason as for direct deliveries it gets messy for companies like Sony which could just claim it on delivery insurance

      • Once the Sony TV box is open, you are done. It's too hard to re pack it.

  • +30

    Sorry to hear this mate, I posted in some of the x90j threads recently to try and highlight Sony's bad practices with regards to warranty claims, refusing to honor the Governments consumer guarantee laws and only offering a 30% discount on an upgrade to a new model upon a warranty failure at the 2 year mark, claiming they either dont keep parts for old models etc or just flat out refusing to follow the law. The more I hear about Sony lately, the more I would recommend everyone avoid. This is NOT the Sony we grew up with in the 1990s or even 2000's when they were a quality and reputable company. They are trading on their reputation from decades ago, not only do they appear to be the most returned TV with regular quality control problems, shipping products that are incomplete like the VRR feature on the X90J which took them a year to update the firmware, but their customer service is shocking, their warranty claims are dodgy and your story is the icing on the cake … I think everybody gets the idea. Sony should really be investigated.

    • Is Sony the last Japanese TV retailer left?
      I remember Panasonic used to make top gear but after the ACL forced them to replace out of printed warranty sets they shut shop and left.

      • +10

        No abnormalities were observed at the factory or manufacturing site in Malaysia.

        Not Japanese anymore. Sadly most of the big names no longer make their stuff in Japan and it shows.

        Panasonic were supposedly good because they made solid but slightly outdated stuff (what I heard), essentially tried and true rather than innovative

      • Maybe in the 90s

    • +2

      It's a shame because even recently I'd been hearing good things about Sony support, but like you say it's probably just people remembering there experience from years ago…

      Who is still decent in terms of support?

  • +33

    Lodge AFCA complaint against your bank. You received damaged product upon delivery so you have every right to lodge chargeback. They breached their obligations by denying your chargeback so you should be ok with that complaint.

    Separately lodge QCAT claim that delivery driver damaged the TV during transit. Ask them for video evidence from loading into truck until it was delivered to substantiate that Sony didn't damage it.

    Sony is really bad in remediating their issues but if you persist, they will eventually offer you a reasonable solution.

    I got this resolution
    https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/638475#comment-10755113
    after sending this response https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/638475#comment-10761031

    Good luck.

    • +1

      Your response is bookmarked now. Just in case…

    • What is the grounds for an AFCA complaint against the bank? It sounds like a charge back has been lodged, and I'm crossing my fingers the right resolution will come of it.

    • Video evidence would probably be wiped now or be non existent because it’s likely to be a third party, and I don’t think a chargeback will work because they received said item, and have already dealt with Sony’s claims team, who said no. Their only alternative is tribunal for a claim but it’s a he said she said scenario without someone accessing the box for damage

    • Thanks for the advice. I still haven't heard back from my bank yet so I'm hoping that means they are actually going through with it! I really thought a major corporation like Sony would have some sort of delivery insurance that would cover them in situations like this. Pending the result of the chargeback and legal advice I will put an application through to QCAT.

    • Your response to Sony is very good, however, if they want to nit pick, technically, for warranty claims, you are responsible for transport back to them and they are responsible for sending it back to you.

      That's been my experience with warranty claims for various electronics, I think the ACL is also consistent with that, they don't need to pay for the transit back to them.

      Other than that, awesome that you stuck to your guns and asserted your rights. I had a similar issue with a Note 4. The motherboard fried after 3 months, had to fight to get a full refund which I got eventually from Samsung.

  • +10

    Honestly any big purchases I always put through under 28 degrees (OG) for merch protection precisely for (profanity) treatment by companies like this.

    I was in Sony x program which back in the day was good as you had access to vip service and really good pricing - that’s since been killed off and with stories like this has totally put me off buying any more Sony anything.

    • Not with Sony but anything expensive needs to check upon delivery.

  • +26

    My opinion is that you damaged the TV accidentally when you removed it from its packaging and are now trying to blame it on Sony or the courier

    • +9

      I really hope that’s not the case - though this being ozbargain forums/ a more riveting drama series than DAys of Our Lives, i keenly await for a sony rep to show us their version of events.

    • +16

      It's possible but that is impact damage in a very weird spot close the lower centre part of the screen, when picking up a tv of that size to setup you would grab it from the two ends and put the legs in. It's hard to tell but I've seen stuff come from factory with no box damage and the screen is shattered inside from my time spent in JB (5 yrs in visual and audio)

      • +3

        Almost all TVs now come in a slab, without the feet.
        It is extremely risky/likely that people accidentally bump the corners when putting it down from unboxing. If it is in the bottom middle, that can happen when accidentally put on top of a hard object.

        Judging by the photos, the impact happened in the centre on the bottom, but around 3cm from the edge. This suggests that an object came to impact with it, and not falling on the ground or something hard. And if my hypothesis is true, that means the outside cardboard box should have a dent or a puncture at that site. If the box is completely flat without damage, that means the impact happened when not in the box. So either the person unloading it had something fall unto it (eg Vacuum cleaner pole), or the damage was done at an earlier stage. It could have been done in factory, and Sony decided to ship it due to deliberate (or poor QC check) so either the courier or customer would foot the bill.

        Or what I am thinking, is that this is a returned unit. Someone did a switcheroo, and OP has now picked up the dodgey goods that was damaged by a previous owner. It's rare but happens, like the recent incident about the AirPods from JB Hifi.

    • +7

      Typical ozbargain armchair expert. In the comfort of their house they can magically deduce what has happened better than the person who was actually there. Here's a post wishing you to experience something similar in the near future

      • +7

        This happened last time when someone posted a Sony TV damaged on arrival.
        It was found that he or she unboxed the tv incorrectly i.e. they lifted the tv out of the box instead of lifting the box off first.
        From memory they got replacement/refund despite the cause being human error

        • +2

          And there are murderers out there too so does that make every person on the planet murderers?
          What a brilliant skill of deduction in that case. Last person who posted about a similar case was a liar so this person must be too without any evidence to support it lol

          • @dji1111111: Yeah… That other Sony tv needs to be lifted out a certain way. There's warnings on the box. If you don't it damages the tv. Pretty clear cut.

          • -1

            @dji1111111: Exactly, Most ppl do the right thing and don't kill others, just like most ppl read instructions (hopefully) before touching something expensive.

            Based on that post and this one, I'm going to read instructions and film the unboxing of an expensive TV.
            Manufacturer wouldn't send out broken TVs. They would have some sort of QA in place to ensure this doesn't occur, so it's either courier or customer most of the times.

        • Still as you said it's just an opinion, but somehow you want to judge without knowing the full story

      • Thanks for standing up for me haha. I wasn't going to bother acknowledging as they are just after a reaction.

    • Hi Sony. How good is your product if it is so easily damaged just by unpacking it?

  • +7

    I had a seconds sound bar arrive damaged.
    1st Sony lied about it being posted.
    2nd There is a perception that Sony tried to delay shipping in case I wanted a refund - they sold it too cheap
    3rd When it arrived defective, 3 different reps told me to do 3 different thing simultaneously:
    a. refund
    b. drive it myself to a repair agent
    c. replacement
    I opted for C but ended up going with B because their communication was so confusing, I feared if I sent it off via post they would refund me (which I didnt want).
    2 weeks later still no news on the repair.

    Terrible customer service.

  • -7

    Wish you’d kept it to just whirlpool because I never go there.

    • Username does not check out.

  • +10

    Yeah stopped reading at whingepool

    • +2

      Agreed. Was it needed to be posted here as well….

    • Whinge on one forum, whinge on another.
      I thought this site was for bargains?

      • +14

        Yet here you are whinging and helping nobody.
        If you don't like what you read, stick to the deals only. It's pretty simple. Nobody forced you to click into a post that was clearly going to be of complaint in nature. Or were you too thick to deduce that from the post title?

        • -7

          Hi Whirlpooler! That’s why we all like OzBargain, as the comments are so much less aggressive than that angry mob over at WP.
          Love your valuable contributions to this thread also. Nothing other than insults it seems.

          • @cashless: Comments are just as aggressive here, if not more.

  • +8

    I make a video recording when I unbox expensive goods. And yes, Sony customer care is absolute crap. I had a Sony tv that had display issues (took up to 3-5 min to wake up.) and they had the audacity to claim it was as expected and the Tvs in their warehouse also are like that. Had to take a video of my tv and a friend who had the exact same tv model and show them the comparison till they finally sent out a technician to fix the issue with software update via USB. The technician told me mine was the 3rd appointment he had that day where the customer had the same issue. Sony dont make the best quality TVs anymore(at least not in the budget-mid tier range)

  • +4

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    asking for a friend?

    2 possibillities: 1. Dodgy courier, 2 Dodgy unpacker.

    • +3

      Option 2 every day of the week

  • +4

    Sony is saying the TV was in perfect condition when it went into the box.
    That suggests to me that the message they're getting from you is that it's a manufacturing issue.
    None of the correspondence listed mentions the delivery people being culpable.

  • +4

    Is this like an episode of Penn and Teller where a TV is damaged in the box without damage to outside of the box?

    • +1

      You just need to lift it up in flat, for large tv the glass panel can shattered from this.

    • +1

      If it fell over flat onto its side it could easily shatter without a puncture in the box.

  • +17

    years ago bought a speaker, few weeks dead, they came pickup to fix (a week) then came back works for a month, broke again.
    returned for 2nd repair. same thing. 3rd repair, last for few weeks, broke again (and this time they cracked something while repairing it)
    guess what
    they insisted to repair it again for the 4th time.

    i said enough give me back full my money. they said no, repair or here is the replacement (but different model and i dont want it). i said i will report you to ACCC. the agent said please do we wont refund.

    contacted ACCC, few weeks later got call from sony, here is your refund.
    i was laughing on the phone. never buy sony again.

  • -1

    Should of just charged back and told them you'll leave it on the kerb for them to pick up.

    • +1

      charge backs don't work if the seller says the goods have been delivered and the banks tend to side with them if that's the case

  • +4

    OP just make a lot of noise on their social media, this is the only way you can connect to someone high enough to make decision. When you call up to customer service, it's often like a brick wall since they are following rigid rules. Who knows, maybe you're just talking to "state of the art" AI and this is all just a big experiment.

    • I have tried this also, they simply don't care it seems.

  • +4

    So if I need a new TV I guess it's going to be an LG?

    • +4

      And take a video of your unboxing

    • +3

      Whatever it is not Sony and buy from a Brick and Mortar, have them deliver and open while the delivery guys are there. This is what I have learned from experience. (the cheaper price from the online store is simply not worth what I am now going through)

      • Yeah it's a shame really, as others have said, Sony use to be really good and I remember reading the auto-biography of the founder and how he started it all after WWII from the ground up and what his philosophy was. Way of the world I guess.

        • I used to buy Sony TVs as well. I now tend towards the LG. However, I sure they are no better for support.

      • +7

        Delivery guy won't stay around until you open the box.

  • +10

    My money is on delivery causing the damage. We got the same TV from sony direct and i watched the delivery drivers unload it and i would have to say they were not exactly gentle with it, pulling it out very quick and i was amazed how quick they got it down from the truck for such a large item as if the box was empty, could easily have been dropped or knocked on something but luckily mine made it inside without damage. Where the damage is i wouldnt be surpised if it got damaged by dropping the box flat on its bottom hard, this would have done no damage to the box but the innertia from the TV coming to a sudden stop could have caused the cracking. My firend who is high up with JB hi-fi said i was silly to buy direct from sony for this very reason, he said with an actual store its easier to get issues resolved because you can go to the store and make a big song and dance until they fix your problem.

    • +1

      Could be possible. My partner said she noticed the TV was on a lean in the back of the delivery truck when it arrived and that it wasn't secured in any way. I mentioned this to Sony in my initial complaint.

  • +2

    I didn't think anyone used Whirlpool anymore?

    • +12

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  • +3

    The way these tvs are packed is it possible to crack the screen without any damage to outside if the box? Hard to know without seeing the exact crack, but sony probably know what type of crack you get if you pull the TV out improperly.

    • Don't see why not, I imagine it would be possible to drop the box or perhaps twist it enough to break something inside without much if any damage to the box.

  • +2

    You paid by Visa right? Does your card have complimentary Purchase Protection cover? Many do, and usually cover loss/damage for 3 months. Try this https://www.pointhacks.com.au/purchase-protection-insurance/

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