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Olex 300m Cat5e Cable $65 in-Store Only @ Bunnings Warehouse
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Fairfield VIC. I think if you have powerpass app you can check stock
Cool. Now i can šborrow internet from the guy down the street
nope, only strong wifi transmitters
Cat5e can only handle up to 100M before signal degradation
Need a good deal on a wired router then
Yep gotta run your own FTTN (Fibre to the Neighbors) for that š
You can buy a cheap chinese network signal booster. Those scam really well.
Any recommendations on ethernet cable that coils well? I'm looking for something I can run and coil up in a few different locations easily.
Something stranded rather than solid?
iirc, i read conflicting articles about trying to use those for POE builds, so whoever considering flat cables should do more due diligence.
ethernet cable that coils well
Do you mean "cable that doesn't look like a stretched spring when unwound"? If so, it's not the cable that you need to worry about, it's the way the cable is coiled that is the problem.
Stagehands are taught the "over under" technique for coiling cables, so long microphone cables come out straight every time. Have a look at this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpuutP6Df84
This also works for garden hoses and anything else you want to coil. One problem though: once coiled, make sure you secure the loose ends together. If a loose end goes through the coil, you end up with a worse snarl than if you had coiled the "ordinary" way.
Well bugger me. I'd never seen that before. Every day's a school day, eh?
It's not widely known. I've taught it to quite a few people, and maybe 20% of those people couldn't manage the technique and gave up. It looks easy in the video, but it takes dexterity and practice.
An easy way to remember the the technique is this: when grabbing the cable with your free hand, alternate between "thumb points towards coil" and "thumb points away from coil". This probably won't make sense until you've got the technique working, but will make sense afterwards.
@Russ: I think the over under methods works best for thinner cables. I've found that the coil isn't as neat as the regular method. Although it is fantastic for uncoiling afterwards. I'll have to try it on my garden hose, I've practiced the method but haven't used it a lot.
the coil isn't as neat as the regular method.
True. The turns in the coil don't "lay" as nicely, every second turn there's a cross-over between adjacent turns.
@Russ: š¤Æš¤Æš¤Æ
Ok what is this magic?! But yeah the cross over looks like it would make it uncoil badly?
I've tried with a 1m usb cable and it looks funky. I'm going to try with my garden hose tonight lol.
what is this magic?!
The explanation is that when you coil the "normal" way, every loop/turn you add to the coil imparts a twist to whatever you're coiling. These twists add up, so when you undo the coil, you are left with the twists.
With the under/over technique, you are alternately adding a twist and an untwist. So the overall effect is zero twist.
the cross over looks like it would make it uncoil badly?
The topology of it is that you must have a cross over to add the "untwist". There's no other way to do it.
@Russ: I haven't been a sound guy for 20 years and I still nail a perfect under over. Once it's dialled in, it's in.
I've done my fair share of roadie olympics - keep in mind this technique is correct for certain cables but not for power extension leads. Problem is the ethernet cables I've seen aren't really the right flexibility for long lengths to be wrapped easily and create loops.
I've been using it on all my extension leads longer than 5m, works okay for me with loops about 0.5m in diameter. With extension leads, it's easy to keep the ends secure, just plug the plug into the socket!
I've also had success with stranded CAT5e cables, but with a smaller loop diameter of about 0.3m. There's definitely more of the "finger twisting" (as mentioned in the Youtube video) required, to prevent figure-8-shaped loops. Three hook-and-loop cable ties then hold the loop in shape and restrain the free ends.
@Russ: Roadie / electrics actually do over over for power lead extensions and kinda whip the end to create the coil. My understanding is because of the gauge and the 3 individual cables on the inside you will end up with fusilli if you keep doing over under on power leads because you are introducing a twist on the inside. Someone explained it to me that they are actually trying to replicate how it comes off the spool when itās manufactured for longevity. For data and coax itās a different story, over under is the standard and it works well for the thinner gauge.
Someone explained it to me that they are actually trying to replicate how it comes off the spool
That's not how it works, I think your instructor misunderstood the principle. If you use "over over" and watch the far end while you are coiling the cable, you'll see that it rotates over and over in one direction (clockwise or anticlockwise) while you are coiling. Winding cable on a spool (drum with a crank handle) doesn't cause this rotation, and hand-winding with "over under" doesn't cause this over-and-over rotation.
You may need to put a sticker or mark on the plug/socket to see this rotation, it's not easily seen with most extension leads.
on the inside you will end up with fusilli
Won't happen. The inner can't twist more than the outer twists, it's not possible.
@Russ: I think of it this way, you don't get a new power cord from the factory 'over under' do you?
This is the industry standard in my industry: https://youtu.be/oymnMuXe9f4
Keep in mind that's power cables only. Not XLR or data.
I know people that own generator trucks etc. they all do it this way for their extension leads.@saltysalt: I've watched the video you linked, and I still think "over under" is superior in most cases.
I can see "over over" method works better in one specific case:
- the cable/hose is stiff enough that you can roll it out like a bowling ball, as shown in the video, and you only roll out cables/hoses that way.
- the far end of the cable/hose is free to rotate while you are coiling it.
- the cable is short enough and/or light enough, that the far end will rotate as you twist the cable while coiling it.
But if you just grab one end of the cable, and walk away from the coil, the cable will twist up. Or if you are coiling a cable and the far end is plugged in, the cable on the ground will become increasingly twisted as you are coiling up the cable, quickly making it impossible to continue coiling. You can easily demonstrate this with a garden sprinkler and hose, pick up the sprinkler and start coiling as you walk back to the tap. Over over will fail, over under will work.
And for very long cables, using over over method will result in an increasingly twisted cable on the ground. Eventually you won't be able to twist the cable with the "flick" you mentioned, the cable will fight you.
I canāt upvote this hard enough
I had many years of dealing with hundreds of long network cables, and over under technique was a game changer. A bit of electrical tape to keep it together - life gets easier
My favourite patch cables to use now are from WES Australasia (formerly WES Components) in Sydney. Theyāre CAT6a 4mm round from 0.25M - 10M and are available in 10 different colours. The sheath is more on the silicon side than rubber and donāt seem effected by memory at all. 3M rolled coils too around 100mm in diameter with ease. I recommend and love using them. Does anyone here use them?
Those are the exact ones. I can recommend c:
Edit: Keep the loose end coiled together with a Velcro strap and it should serve you well.
This cable is most likely solid core, for permanent installation in the walls etc. Not designed for movement. When you buy patch cables, they have stranded cores. However, most of your issue is probably coiling technique, as mentioned below.
Possibly? but they're sold as patch leads and that how I've been using them. I engineer solutions for television productions and they serve me well.
Powerpass lists it as $65 retail and $61.75 trade price for me in Perth
Is there stock in Perth?
"Low stock" at Wangara and Balcatta.
In stock at Joondalup, Malaga and InnalooThey're the closest stores to me…odd that it doesn't show on the Bunning's website, in store only
Does PowerPass tell you actual stock levels or only āin stockā and ālow stockā?
No, doesn't tell you how many are in stock.
I think some people manage to get the stock checker to work but I couldn't whenever I've played around with it
This could have saved Turnbull's NBN alot of money
Nbn runs like its using cat5e over the supposed optic.
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copper and wireless IS turnbull's version of NBN…. this person has no vision whatsoever.
i am forced to go into starlink because it is faster than the NBN copper or the 4G available. imagine that, a foreign company could get things done better than a government that is in charge of critical infrastructure.
a foreign company could get things done better
When the NBN was started, launching satellite technology was way more expensive than it is now. And Elon Musk owns both starlink and SpaceX, so he's giving "mates rates" to starlink for the launches.
Starlink is also unsuitable for urban locations. The two or three satellites visible at any time over Sydney, for example, won't handle a million customers, even at 12Mbps.
And although I haven't looked for figures, I'll bet starlink won't be profitable until it has a customer base numbering in the hundreds of millions, figures that Australia could never achieve.
But the god Elon has said it's brilliant and will transform the internet so it must work because he would never say something that wasn't true
@iand: only idiots will think that he is a god. he is just a marketing person.
buy the product, if it works, good, if it doesn't, change product. its not that hard. can't imagine why people like to pick 'camps' for a company they don't own stocks to.
Starlink is also unsuitable for urban locations.
is that a personal opinion or real experience? because I'm in an urban area.
sure, a million customers will impact speeds, but you are ignoring the fact that it's the same with people on copper on "NBN" because they are physically bottlenecked by copper tech that they can't flood the distribution switches. lol. remember how they had to downscale netflix because they have capacity issues?
whether it's profitable or not, the point is moot. Infrastructure investments don't have a direct ROI. As a starlink customer I reap the benefit per $ for internet access now . tell me when I can start paying the same amount for NBN for the same 200mbps speed.
whether it's mates rates or not, the point is irrelevant. you don't think ministers don't give themselves mates rates because of the "fiber-bad" push decisions?
would be nice if someone competent would have seen that level of demand and dependency coming ey?
is that a personal opinion or real experience?
It's the laws of physics. Let's say you are using 256QAM as the modulation scheme, and let's allow an incredibly-large 10GHz bandwidth for each satellite. That means the aggregate download rate is 80Gbps, so spread among 1 million customers, that's 80kbps per customer. That's 150 times slower than the slowest NBN connection.
With three satellites visible at any time, you could get triple the data rate, and still be 50 times slower than the slowest NBN connection.
In reality, starlink doesn't have 30GHz of available bandwidth, they have about 7GHz to share amongst all their satellites, and that has to be split four ways: basestation uplink and downlink to the satellite, and customer uplink and downlink to the satellite.
because I'm in an urban area.
And as long as only a small fraction of the people in your urban area use starlink, everything will be fine for them. As per the maths above, it can't support large numbers of customers.
Infrastructure investments don't have a direct ROI.
One of the biggest sticking points of pushing the NBN through parliament was that it had be profitable.
One of the biggest sticking points of pushing the NBN through parliament was that it had be profitable.
imagine that building schools, hospitals, roads and road lights having to be profitable or they don't build it… oh wait…
It's the laws of physics.
which seems to be your reply is a really odd way of saying "I am going to ignore what you said and experienced and show off my knowledge"
sure thing. If starlink gets slower due to capacity issues, I'll look for alternatives. I'm not stupid.
fact that $ to $, i am getting better speeds than NBN could ever offer me right now. which is 11mbps down @ $69/mth vs starlink @$139/mth that gives me speed up to 242mbps (speedtest from router).
But banging on and on with the theories about maximum speed doesn't make copper lines on NBN any faster. You are ignoring the problem, which is the current NBN FTTN infrastructure where the "last mile copper" is not fit for purpose in 2022.
so my question back to you, FTTN @ 11mbps, what is YOUR replacement solution then?
don't give me calculation theories, I have no use for them. give me a local product right now i can buy, i'll happy to pay for it at that same ratio/price.Turnbull and friends torpedoed an entire fibre solution for the country, that would benefit anyone in australia that uses internet, and we could all be in the actual 'national broadband' part, but we are still stuck in the dial-up ages.
@slowmo: Well, I was disagreeing with your "a foreign company could get things done better" comment, which is why I quoted it. Starlink is not "better" than the NBN for doing the job that the NBN does, but it can outperform the NBN in a small subset of what the NBN does.
the "last mile copper" is not fit for purpose in 2022.
I don't disagree with you there, I've been a critic of the way the Libs distorted and strangled the NBN for almost a decade. I'm an electronics engineer, the problems of having copper in the NBN were blindingly obvious to me from the outset, and many people loudly said so to the Libs. They just willfully ignored it, leading me to believe they were deliberately attempting to cripple the NBN. That they announced their plan from Fox Studios confirmed it.
Turnbull and friends torpedoed an entire fibre solution for the country
I agree entirely. Short-term thinking and political point-scoring. Hiding evidence of cheaper ways to lay fiber in the ground, hyping theoretical advances in copper that weren't all they were cracked up to be. One of the side effects of the copper network is that the NBN uses much more electricity than a fibre NBN would - one FTTC receiver consumes about 40W continuously, so if that were rolled out nationwide to 10 million customers, that's 400MW - the complete output of a medium coal-fired power station! I imagine it's much worse with FTTN.
what is YOUR replacement solution then?
With current technology, you still can't beat a fiber backbone, so keep that, and replace existing copper backbone with fiber. For the last 100m or so, fit fiber to each premises in high-density areas. In lower-density suburban areas have fiber feeding into a wireless node for every 16 houses or so, mounted on light poles, similar to a 5G node. With only 16 customers per node and short distance, wireless technology is quite up to the task and will have enough data throughput for the forseeable future, and include an option to inexpensively upgrade to direct fiber-to-the-premises for customers who need more speed. For large blocks of units, FTTB is appropriate.
We will still need satellite and fixed wireless though for remote areas and areas with low population. But we could ditch the SkyMuster sats and use starlink for much better latency, although there are national security implications in depending on a foreign company for remote-area communications. For remote areas, it's one of those problems that has no good solutions, it will always be a trade-off between price, speed and reliability.
@Russ: I like your way of thinking regarding a current solution. I never thought of it that way but certainly sounds doable using existing tech. The issue is, is there anyone selling this solution right now that I can buy from? If not, why not?
Rant: Surely itāll be profitable and more so, upgrade Australians anyway. We certainly keep paying enough for subpar performance ratio.
is there anyone selling this solution right now that I can buy from?
Yep, TPG with their 5G rollout. It's more like one wireless node per square kilometer at the moment, but will increase as their customer base increases. Their nodes are mounted on power poles and light poles.
However, TPG are using Huawei equipment for their wireless nodes, so there are security concerns about it.
certainly sounds doable using existing tech.
You could almost do it with 802.11AC routers as the wireless nodes, and have high-gain antennas on each house to receive and transmit the signals. However, trees and shrubbery might block the signals at the frequencies 802.11AC uses.
Nice price for copper !
Ah, but is it stranded or solid core. Makes a difference if you want to cable cameras….
It says on the box 1/0.5mm annealed copper conductor…
That doesn't answer the question? Copper can be annealed whether it is stranded or solid. Annealing is simply the process of heating up the copper and then cooling rapidly so it becomes flexible.
lol, the "1/0.5mm" = 1 solid 0.5mm diameter core
If it was multi-strand it would be something like "7/0.2mm"
Which is better for cameras? Iām planning to cable my whole house for back haul rather than mesh as wifi is poor and would also like some proper cctv cameras.
Any suggestions on cameras too?
You need solid copper for POE cameras, most cheap Cat5/Cat6 cable these days is CCA, Copper Coated Aluminium, it causes a LOT of issues with POE cameras… and a lot of pre terminated cables are stranded conductors, they tend to be crap also..
A lot of CCA sellers are quite manipulative in their wording, they'll list it as copper but it's only copper coated… Look for solid copper, pure copper… the safest bet would be to pay a little extra and buy name-brand cable from your local electrical wholesaler..
I'm surprised CCA is being sold in Australia, just stumbled across this:
https://neca.asn.au/sa/content/acma-warning-%E2%80%93-cca-caā¦
I was aware it was inferior to solid copper but didn't realise it doesn't comply with ACMA standards.
You definitely want solid core, as modern cameras use the ethernet for power to the camera - so solid is much better for longer distance signal transmission. You can get away with stranded on short runs, but always better to go solid for reliability.
Which is better for cameras?
Stranded wire is more "lossy", so the maximum length before the data becomes unusable is shorter. Some websites say the maximum cable length is about 4x longer with solid-core cable. This website recommends no more than 23m for stranded cables: https://www.truecable.com/blogs/cable-academy/solid-vs-stranā¦
However, if the cable is going to flex a lot, solid-core cable is MUCH more likely to break.
Also be aware that the RJ45 crimp connectors for solid-core and stranded are different, make sure you get the correct type for your cable.
I believe this is the product (Datolex doesn't return many results) but model number matches.
Solid core.
Same barcode too
Solid-core cable is specifically for fixed installations - you don't use it for patch leads etc. because it breaks internally after a few bends. It's better at doing the job of carrying Ethernet.
Stranded Ethernet cable is for patch-leads and other none permanent use - because you can move it without it breaking. It's not used for permanent installation.
These two things have nothing to do with cameras or any other client devices… they're two different cable types for two different purposes, and they are not interchangeable.
NBN tech will be stocking up this cable
Makes sense, since it is the outdated CAT standard.
But I thought they were stocking up on telephone cable, to replace the old copper.NBN techs melt their own copper cables.
Cat6 minimum… C'mon get with the times
Anything can be Cat6 if it's short enough!
Thought it said āozito cat 5ā was wondering wtf
Curiously anyone got recommendations for CAT6/CAT6A cabling? Trying to navigate the minefield that is ebay listings is fairly dreadful. Happy to terminate myself if the price is good. Upgrading to 10gbe and wanting to future proof a bit for the access points once 6e lands but struggling to figure out what brands are any good?
Have you looked at Middy's or JayCar?
or an electrical wholesaler that also focuses on data. been to some wholesalers with zero knowledge of data prodiucts
Yeah just go to Jaycar and ask one of the guys there
Umart also Cat6 in stock - $129 for 305m roll:
https://www.umart.com.au/product/network-cable-cat6-305m-rolā¦@icecream beat me to it, but 4cabling have a much bigger range: https://www.4cabling.com.au/cable/cable-rolls-boxes.html?proā¦
I'm not sure the specs of the 'generic' one at Umart - you'll have to check with them.
specs of the 'generic' one at Umart
The problem with 'generic' is that each batch bought can come from a different supplier, and have different specs. All that the Umart staff will do is read what the sticker on the box says, and they may have several boxes, some of which are different.
If performance is important, always avoid "generic" of anything.
@Russ: 100% this.
If you need something to meet specific specifications, then you need to look at a proper certified brand, and pay accordingly.
Looking on eBay is a terrible idea - even for branded product, there's no way to know if you're buying the genuine article from the eBay supply chain.
@Nom: Agreed. I've seen companies get stung by counterfeit parts, causing reputational damage and large costs to fix.
Hope this helps.
Cat 6A S/FTP Cable Roll 305m w/ PVC Jacket on Reel: Blue $374 inc. GST
What is the approximate distance for each run?
There is a good chance you can achieve 10Gbps using CAT6 UTP, much cheaper and less hassle for termination than S/FTP cable.
This seems to be the cheapest "claimed" solid copper on ebay @ $140… It seems too cheap which makes me suspicious…
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/290886152199If you're wiring a house you're better off not cheaping-out on the critical component IMO, it's too much of a hassle to pull it all out and re-do it if the cable turns out to be crap…
Google "electrical wholesalers" in your area, give them a call and get a price, most will only stock decent name brand cable that meets local standards, an extra $50 or even $100 is insignificant in the grand scheme of things…
If you're wiring a house
I wish newly-built houses would just have empty 20mm conduit laid in the walls, so we could later fit whatever technology we like. Upgrade to fiber when it becomes economical to do so.
I had a mate do exactly that. 2x32mm conduit drops in every room on opposite walls with a plate over it at the bottom.
Like $40 a room to do it, and who knows what you might want to drop in over the next 50 years.@timps: 32mm feels a bit too large, mice could run through the conduit. I recommend your mate buys some nylon scouring pads, cut them up smaller and roll them and stuff a bit into every conduit opening. That will probably stop mice from using the conduit as a superhighway.
@Russ: Can't hurt. Although now I do kind of want to see some mice spring a blank plate off the wall as they leap out from behind it.
@timps: Mice get into walls though, and gnaw things. They would relatively easily get into conduit. Getting out may be impossible though, as it's difficult to gnaw the inside of a concave surface.
Rolled-up scourer pad will trap them in the pipe, they won't be able to get into a conduit box, turn around and exit back through the hole they came in through.
Nor will they be able to search for another exit.
@wetwork: Yep, you'll find either a mummified mouse, or a skeleton and dust if you leave it a few years.
Actually I think most mice are smart enough not to go into a hole they won't be able to get out of. But just like Humans, there will always be the occasional dumb one.
Mice and rats, being rodents, have to gnaw on things to wear their front teeth down. If they don't their front teeth grow too long, and then they are unable to eat. Mice and rats are well known for gnawing on electrical cables in hidden parts of houses, occasionally biting fully through and electrocuting themselves. Sometimes this causes a fire.
A few years ago it was common to use poly piping for water distribution around a house. Surely mice and rats would gnaw this too? Has anyone heard of water leaks caused by rats and mice?
@Russ: @Russ yes I had rodents EAT 90% of a PVC pipe running from my kitchen sink to the grease trap. They must have been attracted to the smells from the rubbish bin under the sink or something. After I replaced it I wrapped wire mesh all around it and sealed all the gaps in the wall.
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Do you mean Smithfield Bunnings? or is it Fairfield, Victoria?