Super cheap lithium all in one portable battery setup. If you just want to go camping with a fridge for a few days then this is without a doubt cheaper than doing your own dual battery setup. If you're touring oz, probably not for you.
I have previously bought a DC-DC charger and separate battery but not got off my butt and installed it and I'm thinking about selling that stuff and just grabbing one of these!
Seems to be in-store only, YMMV.
This won't work for that purpose unfortunately. This is designed for simple 12v outdoor things (fridges, lights etc). Looking at the specs the most it'll put out is 180w it seems, so not going to do much good through an inverter for 220V.
Thank you for the reply.
So what kind of battery should I be looking? Actually I just need it to run filters and lights for my fish tanks. Need it to be able to hold up to maybe 100-300 watt consumption combined for 48 hours as I'm planning to have solar panels to charge it. It's basically a mini off grid setup.
Thanks.
Try whirlpool.
Unless your shed is very far away just pay an electrician to add power to your shed. A once off expense that may be cheaper than a battery.
@Grok: True, I did think about just running a cable. I guess I was looking for an excuse to dip into off-grid setup :P LOL
Well you've answered your own question with capacity - 100-300w x 48 hours = 4800wh and up to 14,400wh. Although 300w to run a fishtank light seems a bit heavy.
Capacity wise - Bluetti and Ecoflow do some well regarded (and well criticised batteries) which are modular / expandable.
Bluetti does a pairing of the BLUETTI AC200MAX + B230 which will give you 4096wh - but that will cost you $5,000. Its LiFePo so will last for a while. Good thing is you can take it with you and use it elsewhere.
Lots of other options - but also comes at expense and a lot more than $499!.
It has essentially ~500Wh of power. It should power something that runs at 100w for 5 hours. It should power something that runs at 500w for 1 hour.
I would suggest getting something to monitor the power usage of what you want to power and then going from there. You can get smart plugs with power monitoring that will let you do this.
Wow, just wow. For the price, I had (stupidly?) assumed this would have a 240v inverter. This is just a ~$150 battery inside a ~$40 battery box. Just wow. How this could have ever gone for $1249 is beyond me.
But but it has the brand name Dometic…
yesssss… but it looks pretty….
Yes my 100aH lifepo4 battery & battery box cost about the same 3yrs ago.
Op you might want to add this as better value.
https://www.anacondastores.com/camping-hiking/power-cooling/…
This is AGM.
Can you give me the link to a 40Ah LiFePO4 for $150 please? At least one that's not going to explode or burn the house down. I would be keen on buying a few.
Hey man, where are you finding a 40ah lithium battery for $150?
1) connect an inverter (note: max output 15A = 180W)
2) assume 95% efficiency and 2% wiring losses
3) you can run a 180W device for 2.48 hours
Bacially you can watch a game of footy on a small TV.
Thank you :)
This specific battery has a fault in the design when it’s connected to solar panel. It will continuously beep if the panel loses bright sunlight, so you have to manually silence it by unplugging/plugging solar panel.
Or you can purchase one of those cheap <$300 100Ah lithium battery deals posted in OzBargain recently and add a $50-$70 battery box for it.
100% - I can't believe how shit this thing is, even for $400 it's insanely underwhelming. The only thing this has over a cheap battery+battery box would be the IP44 rating.. which you could probably resolve with a plastic bag.
and the fact that you get:
The battery + box combo ignores the not insignificant costs of a proper DC-DC Charger and the hassles of running your own wiring.
I don't think it's worth the original ticket price by a long shot, but at this price for a known brand I think it's good value.
Each to their own I guess - If part of the value of something is it being a 'known brand' then that's where we are going to differ. Paying for a brand, when you have the same warranty on anything else you buy in Australia, isn't value (to me).
It's a 40Ah LiFePO4 battery that only comes with a 2 year warranty (most LiFePO4s will come with 3-5) can't be run in parallel/series to expand at a later date (which also means cheap BMS), and can only be charged at 8amps from AC or DC (so you're looking at something that takes 5 hours to charge, which no matter how much money you throw at it, it can't be sped up). With the maximum charge and discharge rates on this (maximum 150w inverter, won't charge faster than 12v 8a/96watts), the value of it is diminished greatly, in my eyes at least. Putting the 499 towards something that can be expanded on later, that doesn't become useless once your camping setup exceeds 150watts (or really 96watts continuous?), with a greater warranty period of 2 years, makes more sense to me..
Thank you. Would I be able to run 220v inverter using this kind of batteries?
Yes you can I run a 150w 240v inverter off the Companion which has similar specs. The rated DC output is 15A so you can run upto 180w inverter off it. Limited to what you can run off 150w but i use it to charge ozito batteries and it works just fine for that.
Just an FYI, the documentation for this states maximum of 150w inverter.
People commenting on this and comparing it to a bog standard battery box have no idea. It’s a totally different battery chemistry and has the charger inbuilt.
I’ve had this for years and done many camping trips with it to run our fridge. It holds the same output right down to 0%.
I am wondering if any of them have fallen for this tbh https://www.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/n6sbhu/the_h…
"totally different battery chemistry" Dometic have their own special proprietary battery chemistry now? It's just a LiFePO4 battery in a box with an AC charger and a built in DC 2 way.
Exactly. It’s not a routine run of the mil lithium ion battery. Now your catching up champ.
I think you need to look up the word 'chemistry'.. "champ" 🤦
@lulzenberg: Catch up bro. This ain’t your battery box from Kings. Get with the times. I know it’s probably too expensive for you but some people can afford newer technology.
@Ydaddyk: This is just a run of the mill LiFePO4 battery in a cheap but nice looking box, with a cheap BMS and a stunted 8amp DC-DC/AC charger. If you think this is some how amazing technology, you've been living in a cave for a few years.
There is nothing unique about the chemistry in this battery. If you meant it has a uniquely designed box, sure. But you said chemistry, and this "battery chemistry" has been mainstream for over a decade now. It's only become "cheap" in the last few years though now, so maybe that's why you think it's something new.
@lulzenberg: The fact that you think it’s a cheap box shows you haven’t even laid eyes on this let alone taken the effort to use it before your pathetic review. You stick to your AGM battery in your kings battery box champ. It’s more your style. Don’t forget you’ll need a battery monitor. Something you neglect to talk about.
@Ydaddyk: Wow man, are you OK? It's just an overpriced, dated, highly limited battery box. If you bought this, it was your money, you do with it what you want, nothing wrong with that, but this kind of reaction is worrying.
Are you OK?
Also, do you think "battery box" means AGM or something? I'm not sure why you keep going on about AGM and what ever Kings is..
@lulzenberg: You have no idea what you are talking about. You are just embarrassing yourself. Have a look what is really in this package the try and price a cheaper lithium phosphate battery package using your off the shelf battery box with separate smart chargers etc. The problem here is not about the tech, it’s about you not seeing the value.
@Ydaddyk: Someone other than yourself not seeing the value shouldn't be your problem. You can't expect everyone in life to see the value that you see, just like I don't expect you to see the value see. You're getting way too worked up over something on ozb, I hope you're OK.
With that said, I don't know where you're pricing your LiFePO4 batteries, but if you're seeing a 40ah battery with cheap BMS (yes, it is cheap, it's only made to handle 8amps charge/discharge and doesn't allow series/parallel - if you think expensive, or even mid-tier BMS have this kind of limitation, I think you should find a new supplier/shop) and an 8amp ac/dc charger as a good deal for this price, you aren't looking around much. Again, this is a very limited battery, only designed to support up to 150w AC through an inverter (separate purchase, so throw in another ~100 to use AC) and will only charge at a rate of 8amps. Your entire camping set up would need to be at a maximum of 96w continuous for the battery to keep up with the maximum charge rate, or, without some method of charging, run it at it's full whopping 8amps for 5 hours and then be out of juice.
You are free to think what you want, I deal with batteries and solar as a hobby, I know what is available, and I know what an overpriced battery box looks like, as do many other people. The only way I, and many others, could see this as a worthy purchase would be for someone who doesn't have the time (or knowledge? though it's very basic stuff) to slap together a battery box.
@lulzenberg: I think the fact that your comprehension of a battery designed to be portable and run a fridge would be discharging at 8 amps really tells us all we need to know about your knowledge.
You can talk talk talk all you want but at the end of the day you haven’t even touched one of these. I’ve been running one for a couple of years. It runs our 50L fridge for days on end and if ever needed, charges to fill in next to no time on a 100w solar blanket. Yes , just a solar blanket.
You just don’t understand what is actually inside this thing. Stop embarrassing yourself.
And answer my question. Show everyone here how you would out together a 40aH lithium phosphate battery with all the technology this his in the same portable size. You just can’t do it.
This is why you have a kings battery box and an old agm battery. Catch up son.
@Ydaddyk: Lol okay mate, have a good one. I see why you're so obtuse about this - you thought this was a deal back when it was 899 at snowys, so you won't listen to any kind of reason. Don't take this stuff so personally mate, a neg on a deal isn't some kind of personal attack against you. Everything will be OK.
@lulzenberg: Once again you can’t answer the simple question. Build it better for the same price? If your hobby has anything at all to do with this field you need another hobby champ. And no, I bought this for under $450 at a BCF COVID sale. Stop embarrassing yourself with all this guess work. No wonder your comments are all negged
Oh I just did a little digging. You’re a pc gamer. Lol. Ok that explains a bit. This ain’t mine craft champ this is the real world. Catch up.
@Ydaddyk: This discussion was based on your claim that this battery some how has totally different battery chemistry.
I'm still waiting on how this battery has totally different battery chemistry. I can understand why you haven't replied to that though, and decided to go on random tangents, as there isn't anything "totally different" about the battery chemistry in this battery.
I can see that you put some kind of personal importance and great emphasis on the votes gained on comments and deals in OzB, which is mind boggling on it's own (brother, tis the internets, people aren't personally attacking you or praising you with their up and down votes, they don't know you), but also even more so when you look over your own comments in this deal and see that all but one of your comments are in the negative, and there are multiple of mine that aren't, even the initial responses to your weird ranting? Is this your subtle way of saying I'm correct, because I got the most upvotes?
I've commented in greater detail why I don't see the value in this battery in a previous reply (it isn't in the negative either, if that some how makes it a more valuable response to you?), which you can check if you want. My replies to you here were based around your claim on the battery chemistry, and you thinking that this some how contains a battery that isn't just a run of the mill lifepo4 battery (which it is).
I'm flattered that you decided to dig through my post history, maybe keep going through to check in on the discussions about batteries.
Since my point of view has explained (in the threads above) in regards to why I don't see the value in this, why don't you explain why you do see the value (and also maybe the actual subject, ya know, the battery chemistry, but I guess you're trying to forget that). All I've seen from you other than talk of magical unique battery chemistry are really weird old timey attempts at insults/being patronising, and some quip about the housing not being cheap (must be that expensive plastic the kids are going on about now days?).
@lulzenberg: TLDR. In absolute all honesty I read the first line of the above then didn’t bother reading the rest. Take a breath champ that looked like a lot of dribble.
If the above did happen to mention your build as I requested, can you please post it in a shorter comment.
Catch up brother. This isn’t war and peace. Slow down on the gaming too it will make you angry. (Angrier?)
Kids these days eh. Always losing context.
@Ydaddyk: You're trying very hard to not answer what this whole conversation was about mate, what is the unique battery chemistry this has. Good luck with your life etc.
@lulzenberg: You’re doing very well at not managing to build a battery at the same cost and size and weight with the same tech.
I am not sure you even know what a liFeP04 is TBH.
Just remember that your 80amp agm you have in your kings battery box will only give you 40 amp hours. Not to mention it weights about 4 times as much and is at least twice the size.
But we won’t talk about that will we because it doesn’t meet your narrative.
Don’t stay up too late gaming kiddo. It’ll rot your brain even more.
@Ydaddyk: Lol you're the only person who's brought up AGM and you're very stuck on it.
Good luck in life mate.
@lulzenberg: Good luck with your kings set up. Don’t forget to think about changing hobbies or at least do some research into evolving technology. It’s not all on the computer. Get outside kiddo. SMH.
@lulzenberg: Good luck with Minecraft. Maybe build a battery with your Minecraft blocks. Just do a little research next time before you open your pie hole so you don’t embarrass yourself again.
@lulzenberg: Don’t forget to share us that battery build. Remember this is your hobby so should be easy. Unless….you have no idea what you are talking about?
@lulzenberg: Just remember one thing before you go back to gaming. I am reviewing this based on real work experience. You are just a keyboard warrior too cheap to pony up for the latest tech. It’s sad. Good luck with life.
I have been following this debate and it was quite entertaining. Thanks to both of you.
lol no worries
This looks good for my cheap 12v electric boat motor I got from Amazon
Bit dear though I suppose it wouldn’t be great to carry a full size 12v in an inflatable boat
can u charge and use at the same time. eg charge in car while powering fridge
Yes. It has a power management system built in.
This would easily run a fridge with solar for days if you plug in solar (it has an Anderson plug in the back for it)
This is a big price drop from what they were charging, but they are quite basic units. I've ended up getting one of these because they are more versatile: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/294991494470
It's got 20% more storage at 606Wh, a range of 12V outputs including 100W USB-C for laptops, and two AC power points, but only up to 700W output (1400W peak for a short burst of startup power). It's mostly for camping but will run a home office (laptop, monitor, printer, router, phone) for a day. It has built-in AC, DC and solar chargers up to 100W and the USB-C also takes extra input charge up to 70W.
I like the form factor of the eBay option. What type is the solar input plug?
Solar inputs are either 5.5x2.5mm or anderson powerpole. Allpowers solar panels come with the leads to fit, but while lightweight and portable, my 100W panel never outputs much over 80W, even on a cloudless summer day.
I should probably state the negs on the power station, too. The fan on the inverter can be a little noisy if drawing a lot of AC power, and the power meter isn't 100% accurate, but the main thing to note is the battery is lithium-ion not LiPO4, so charge cycles are more like 800 not 2000. I use it for camping and occasional blackouts, not daily, so I figure it should last me well over 10 years and it's been a great little unit so far.
Thanks, a Friend who is an electrician had recommended this and I was almost about to buy from BCF for about $750. Great for little camping trips to run fridge and lighting without having to worry about wiring something up.
I'm planning to use this to power up my shed that's unattached to the main house.
How do I calculate how long can I run the usual 220V appliances out of this? Is there a website that can help me calculate?
Thanks.