Urban Utilities not Reimbursing Plumber Costs

About a month ago, we experienced a sewerage blockage at our property. Water was going down very slowly and gurgling loudly in the pipes which we could hear at ground level. Being sensible homeowners, we engaged a local plumber who water jetted our pipes but to no avail. He put his camera down our bathroom pipes and was underwater the entire way to our property's boundary and still remained underwater without locating any blockages in our pipes.

He immediately stopped at the boundary and did not go any further and asked us to call Urban Utilities as it was off-property. The contractor with Urban Utilities shows up an hour later and checks the first sewerage manhole opposite our house. It is completely full to the top with sewage with about 20 families of cockroaches spewing out. He closes that and checks the next manhole downhill and that is full too. Same story with the third manhole. Completely full and almost spewing out. There was no blockage on the fourth hole so the blockage appeared to be at the third manhole.

A couple of hours later, Urban Utilities trucks came to clear out the blockage and sewerage is flowing again, hooray! The contractor with Urban Utilities said as the blockage was not on our property, should be an easy reimbursement for our costs of engaging the original plumber.

Lodged a claim with Urban Utilities for reimbursement of the original plumbers cost of $700 a couple of days later after the blockage. A month later, we received a letter from them stating they were not responsible for the blockage as it was caused by tree roots invading the sewerage system.

The letter reads:
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We wish to advise that our investigations into this matter are now complete. Unfortunately, we do not believe that there is any evidence to suggest that the sewer blockage was, in any way, the result of Urban Utilities’ negligence by act or omission.

Based on our records, the Property experienced a sewer issue which was not immediately reported to Urban Utilities but to a private plumber who progressed independently with investigating the cause of the blockage and attempting to clear. Urban Utilities crews were then engaged and removed tree roots from the sewer infrastructure servicing the Property.

Whilst there is no contention that a blockage was discovered within our sewer network, we wish to respectfully state that the blockage was not caused directly by us as it is not within our ability to control or prevent innumerable root invasions caused by trees within private property or on council land as these belong to the relevant landowner.

In future, we encourage you to call Urban Utilities in the first instance on 13 23 64 as a crew can attend and clear the line free of charge (this service is available in Brisbane and Ipswich only). If the blockage is discovered in your line, you will be charged a nominal fee. More information is available on Urban Utilities’ website.
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I am not sure how it would be ideal to call Urban Utilities first in scenarios like these where we do not know where a blockage is in the first place and any sensible person would engage a private plumber first to investigate their own property because Urban Utilities charges a kidney and liver for their time if the blockage was found to be in private land.

Just wanted to know what your thoughts are and whether I may have a case here against Urban Utilities considering I may have saved them thousands of dollars by letting them know before sewerage started spewing onto the street and up people's pipes.

TLDR:
Blockage at our property with water going down slowly/gurgling
Our local plumber put a camera down our pipes and was underwater to the boundary
Urban Utilities called and found sewerage pipes were blocked 3 manholes down from our property with all manholes almost leaking onto the street
Claim lodged for private plumber costs trying to clear our property pipes and determining blockage was outside our property
Urban Utilities does not accept the claim for reimbursement citing they are not responsible for tree roots in their system

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Comments

  • +7

    I can only tell you how to get around this if it were in SA.

    First, escalate the complaint internally. There should be a higher customer care team that manages Ombudsman level complaints. Be professional, outline again, provide receipts, ask for reimbursement. Give 10 business days.

    After that, straight to state body that manages water. This is generally NOT the xCAT but in SA is the State Ombudsman. I suggest you would have similar.

    They will argue the legislation. However, your argument is

    A - the fault would not have been known to have been theirs without calling a plumber

    B - the fault would have escalated, causing more costs to the utility had it not been detected by you

    C - you are asking for a goodwill gesture

    See how you go. After this, Minister. After that, threaten Current Affairs. Usually it works by Ombudsman because it costs the utility a packet.

    Edit - https://urbanutilities.com.au/contact-us/complaints/ombudsma…

    • +1

      That is really helpful, will do exactly that thanks! I suppose you have been through something similar

      • +2

        Think more insider knowledge 😉

    • -1

      I can only tell you how to get around this if it were in SA.

      They are in QLD…. Other states work differently to how you think SA works.

      • Obviously. But happy to see if someone from Urban Utilities will come here and help. 🤷‍♀️

  • Lol,
    Welcome to corrupt QLD.
    Be happy it was not BCS!

  • +6

    Looks like $420 was pretty cheap after all.

    • I understood this reference.

    • +1

      and this wasn't even a Sunday from what I can tell!

  • Then sue the owner of the tree.

    • +1

      Actually, not this but -

      Ask if the camera snaked the drain and ask for the proof.

      Usually, to prove a blockage (before blowing crp up a neighbourhoods toilets), the pipes are checked with cameras.

      These images are stored on file.

      If a tree was the cause, ask for the evidence of it.

      Ask them to also provide the pipe cleaning schedule.

      If tree roots are an issue, it should be cleaned by the utility every 6-12 months.

      If there's no history, then how was anyone, let alone a home owner, to know tree roots were in a mains sewer in the street?

      • If there's no history, then how was anyone, let alone a home owner, to know tree roots were in a mains sewer in the street?

        LOL Not how sewers work at all.

        A blockage is a blockage, treerots, fatburgs, biggest crap made to man. It doesn't really matter, and its not their issue.

        Lets say it wasn't a tree root, but the world biggest crap that blocked the sewer, than what?

        • It is how sewers work, its certainly how water utilities work and it's the argument they are making here for refusing reimbursement.

          Their argument is that tree roots in the system caused the blockage. Ok fine.

          They can provide the evidence of that claim.

          As a public utility, they can also disclose whether tree roots have been a known issue in that area before.

          If yes - was utility completing appropriate level of maintenance?

          If no - at fault

          If no history - defaults to goodwill.

          The aim of the game is to either catch a problem within their legislative/customer care framework or to make it more financially beneficial to pay the $700 and shut you up.

          Dont hate the player….

          • @Benoffie:

            It is how sewers work, its certainly how water utilities work

            Do you work in either industry?

            I have friends in the industry, your statements don't match what happens in states outside of SA.

            • @JimmyF: As above, they are free to pursue it. This is friendly advice, costs them nothing. They have the link to the QLD Ombudsman which is, strangely, the same as SA's system.

              Cant speak for the general uselessness of QLD utilities though.

  • +1

    Any one else watch Drain cleaning Australia?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k9nhaUFhYg

  • -2

    Mate, did you have trouble making cohesive written language and used chatbot to rewrite this for you? That writing is painful to read.

  • The contractor with Urban Utilities said as the blockage was not on our property, should be an easy reimbursement for our costs of engaging the original plumber.

    The contractor wasn't authorised by Urban Utilities to make that claim.

    While it was their fault in the end, sometimes you just have to accept these things as part of owning the home.

    You called out a trade thinking it was your fault, it was found to be someone elses. Win some, lose some.

    • +1

      Sad but agree. You called the Plumber, you're responsible for Paying for what the plumber did - which in this case is to check where the fault was -

      Different if he would have been tasked to clean out, but that was done by Urban Utilities

      $700 for camera check, is a bit steep. I had a plumber coming and unblocking the toilet, and then run the cameras down and up and it did cost me around $300

      Wait I see, he "jetted our pipes" …… yep totally on you, and depending on the time $700 is ok

      A rule of thumb for property owners: Put 0.5% of the value of the house, away, every year, for maintenance, and another 0.5% for "upgrades" like replacing outdated old kitchen, renovate bath.

      House 1.2Mio —> 0.5% maintenance = 6'000. See, yout 700 are only 10% of your yearly maintenance

  • Hmm. In WA, the plumber is the one who initiates the call to water Corp. We don't have to pay anything to the plumber.
    Perhaps this is where you are not going in procedure?

  • Seems if you have a sewer blockage, you should call UU in first. If they say it’s not on our side, then you call a local plumber and wear the cost.

    Maybe next time, ask your neighbours as well?

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