Electricity comapny and account holder changed without authorisation

So we live at a property that consists of 2 floors. The bottom floor is a pub, and the top floor contains 9 bedrooms which I rent out along with 8 of my other housemates. The pub bills and upstairs bills are totally separate, however the meters are in the pub downstairs.

We have been with Tru Energy for the past 5 years (Recently changed their name to Energy Australia). We have been receiving and paying bills every 3 months, however most recently we didn't receive a bill until about 5 months into our bill. When we received this bill there was a notice with it apologising for the delay, but it wasnt too high so we just paid it and thought the delay was because of the merger of Tru Energy and Energy Australia.

Now I am about to move out of this house so I called Energy Australia to remove my name and put my housemates name onto the bill. After about 60 mins we discovered that we have not been connected with Energy Australia since Oct 2012 and have ben switched to AGL Electricity.

I am the only one who could have authorised this so I was really confused on the phone insisting we were still with Energy Australia. But when I got out our latest bill from March 2013 which had the apology about the late bill, it actually says that the bill was for the billing period up until Oct 2012 (at which point we had somehow been swiched to AGL).

So after talking with AGL it seems that the pub have tried to switch to AGL, but AGL have messed up and switched us to AGL and changed the bill into someone else's name. They said that there is an outstanding amount of $2500 for our meter which will need to be paid by May 15 or else our electricity will be disconnected!

My Question is, what exactly are our rights here? They messed up. The bill is for the meter we had been paying happily for 5 years, but the address is to the pub and not our address, and the bill isn't actually in my (or any of my housemates) names. I dont actually know who's name it is in, as they wouldn't tell me for privacy concerns (which is ridiculous).

If I dont pay this and just switch back to Energy Australia there shouldn't be anything they can do about it to pin it on us, or me right?? We were under the impression we had just paid an electricity bill in March and not expecting one until around late June, and it would be no where near $2500 (our average quarterly is between 900 and 1200).

Sorry, this is prob pretty confusing! Thoughts?

Comments

  • +1

    It sounds like the pub connected with AGL to your meter and then cancelled it. The billing rights to the meter were never sent back to Tru Energy. If AGL own the billing rights to the meter you are using, they are legally allowed to charge you for it. That's the legal side of it.

    Here's what to do. Wait for a disconnection letter in the mail or a bill. If you don't receive by May 14 call AGL and demand one in writing/demand they repost it (they legally have to post these prior to disconnecting).

    1) If they are in a persons name, awesome. Not your problem. Call Tru Energy and set up a new account and get a fresh meter reading. You won't get charged for the usage prior as it's the persons name on the bill problem. This will get rid of AGL and you won't have to pay them anything.

    2) If the are addressed "to the occupant" or "to the customer" etc, then this is what those companies call an "Unknown customer" and this is more difficult. Calling another company to connect 90% won't work. AGL will just reject the transfer. You can either -

    a) Set up an account with AGL, you will only pay for the time period you were there and can transfer to Tru Energy or whomever afterwards. At the end of the day you used that power. If it's the large bill amount that is the issue, they will give you plenty of time to pay it. (ie. bill is for 6 months usage, they usually give you 6 months to pay for it in installments)

    b) Go to the ombudsman, which will delay things and give you heaps of time, but at the end of the day you will owe that money and have to pay it, it may just be a Tru Energy logo on the top of the bill instead of AGL.

    c) Let them disconnect the power. The following day call a different company to connect it again. You'll be without power 24-48 hrs but 99% won't have to pay that bill.

    If you post your postcode and state would help as well.

    Hope this helps.

    • Thanks for the info. We are in melbourne. 3057.

      The prob is I am travelling for 12 months starting in 3 weeks so there isn't really time to fight it through the ombudsman which is what I wld normally do.

      The pub and residence are owned completely seperately so it is 100 percent AGL's fault I think, pretty sure illegal too since I was the only authorised person on the bill.

      Also due to people moving out and traveling now and over the past 6 months it will be impossible to get money from them leaving only 4 or 5 of us to foot the bill instead of the usual 10 or so people…

      I am thinking of just getting them to try and reduce it by 50 percent or so due to the complete mess they have made.

  • Ok so I have talked to the business owner of the pub downstairs tonight to try get this sorted. Seems AGL have royally screwed up in multiple ways.

    In Oct AGL approached the business owner of the pub and convinced them to switch to AGL. The owner agreed and signed some papers, but AGL switched the wrong meter (Our meter and not the Pubs meter).

    The pub still got bills from their original elec provider (origin). so they continued to stay with them thinking the transfer didnt go through. or was still processing.

    In Jan the pub business owner got a bill from AGL in his name addressed to the business. He knew he was still paying Origin and noticed it had our meter number and not theirs on it.

    So he called up AGL and told them they had screwed up and he figured they sorted it.

    But just today a second bill came from AGL. It is our meter number, but now just addressed to "Dear Customer" at the address of the pub. But this now has a different account number altogether from the first bill, and has been changed from a business account to a residential account.

    So essentially AGL have screwed up majorly. They have switched my account without my authorisation to AGL, also switched the name to the pub business owners name and also switched us to a Buisness account and not residential.

    They never contacted me in any way, and we never signed a contract, nothing is in my name, or the pubs, so does this mean I am in the clear to let our elec get cut and then just re-connect with our original provider?

  • ok,

    If AGL refused to talk to you as the account is not in your name (you can be sure that the account is in someone elses name, else they would talk to you as the occupier). As a result you should not be liable for the bill.

    DO NOT GIVE AGL YOUR CONTACT DETAILS OR NAME, OR THEY CAN TRY AND CHASE YOU FOR THE BILL

    I suggest you (or your housemate who will be taking over the account) call a new retailer and tell them you are moving in tomorrow and to come and do a read. In this case you should not be liable for the previous usage. Consider it a late Xmas gift!

    The debt cycle goes like this:
    1. Friendly reminder warning
    1a. Some retailers call their customers at this stage
    2. Disconnection warning
    3. To the occupier disconnection warning
    4. Attempted call for disconnection warning.
    5. Disconnection

    So as such a 'to the occupier' letter does not mean you will be liable.

    To clarify, the company has done nothing illegal as such by transferring you to another name, given that transfer was authorised by someone willing to take financial responsibility for the account. There is no requirement for retailers to confirm names (it would be logistically impossible to enforce given the number of move-ins move-outs and change of account names that are correct). However the company may have just bought themselves a large portion of bad debt!

    Source - I spent 2.5yrs in customer service at an electricity retailer during uni.

    • +1

      Thanks for the info mate. Although it would be awesome to wash our hands of this whole mess and not have to pay anything at all, at the same time we wouldn't want this blowing back onto the business owner in the pub downstairs.

      Since he originally signed the papers to take financial responsibility for the meter wouldn't he technically be liable for paying it? His name isn't on the bill now but it was on the original one before he called them… although it is a different account number and account type (business vs residential)

      Just wanting to make sure if we did take your option we wouldnt be leaving the business owner with the debt

  • Excellent. In Victoria it is a lot easier than NSW where some of my post was aimed at. It won't blow back on the business owner.

    Call tru energy or another retailer, tell them you just moved in and want to setup an account and need a meter reading. Fixed and you won't have to pay anything previous, nor will the business owner.

    • at the moment we are just thinking of going with yur suggestion above

      "c) Let them disconnect the power. The following day call a different company to connect it again. You'll be without power 24-48 hrs but 99% won't have to pay that bill."

      There is only 2 ppl at the property at the moment due to people moving out/traveling so they arent fussed if there is no power for a few days.

      • In Victoria it is very unlikely they can reject it going to another provider. Call up a retailer and set up an account. Most likely they will win the billing rights and you will have a fresh account.

        Worst case scenario is the billing rights transfer is rejected with the new retailer and c) happens anyway :)

  • Do you really want to risk having the power cut off for any length of time when it's cold?

    As I see it, you've made more than enough effort to resolve the situation with the energy company, so contact the Energy and Water Ombudsman. This way you'll know the matter has been dealt with and won't have to stress that it will come back and bite someone on the bum.

    http://www.ewov.com.au/

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