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Short, and long-term, it'll be interesting to see how this pans out…
http://www.zdnet.com/au/ispone-sues-telstra-to-stop-mobile-s…
19/8: Gizmodo:ispONE Cancels Telstra Contract, Calls In Administrators
ispONE in adminstration, Kogan Mobile to shut down, Aldi Mobile OK with interim agreement
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I have to agree with the first point, they're the wholesaler its not their problem.
Medion and Telstra managed to sort an interim agreement which, not matter how long it lasts, its still a shit load better than Kogan could manage.
And maybe I'm being generous in assuming that Kogan even bothered to try.I hope you Kogan users don't get slugged any "admin fee's" when claiming your pro rata refund.
It will also be a rude shock for those Kogan users who have nfi what just happened.If you are after a pro rata refund, Don't move now until Kogan confirms that you'll get refunds if you move before Telstra boots you off
Yet another self-serving statement from Kogan.
Let me summarise it for you:
It's not my fault!
It's not my fault!
It's everyone elses fault!
Especially those spooky 'powerful forces' (i can't say Telstra, even though they're just the meat in the sandwich, or they'll sue me).
I'm, like, for the little guy!
They are evil and, um, spooky! (did i say that already?)
I believe in freedom & free stuff!
Down with terrorism!
Down with communism!
Whaaaah!it seems to me that Kogan is exiting the prepaid mobile industry, Kogan is actually telling its customers to port to another provider.
Well, I have to say that Kogan could've done a lot more. such as give the entire business to Boost/Aldi/amaysim, which all offer similar plans at similar price, then no loss to customer and Kogan became a responsible company to its customers.
This isn't Kogans fault. Their wholesaler went bankrupt and owes Telstra 12mil. You can hardly blame Kogan for that.
This isn't Kogans fault.
Perhaps not in relation to ispONE going under (though he was suing them into submission earlier).
Aldi made a deal with the big T.
Kogan did not.What was the blocker?
Was it Kogan, Telstra, or both?Kogan can get on his knees and, umm, blow me a tune.
What was the blocker?
Was it Kogan, Telstra, or both?We might never know.
It does seem very odd that $35/month ALDI reached an agreement with Telstra but $40/month Kogan did not. Maybe it was the discount on the longer contracts (90, 180, 365 days)? Maybe Kogan refused to slim down their margin? Maybe Telstra simply refused to take on Kogan?
Without Telstra, Kogan Mobile has nowhere to turn. Both Optus and Vodafone have 900 MHz 3G networks which are incompatible with many Kogan sold phones and (probably) the phones of many Kogan Mobile subscribers. If they could even reach an agreement, they'd still need 120,000 new sims.
But lets not forget, this entire situation occurred because ispONE promised more than they could deliver. Had ispONE remained solvent, we would not be discussing this today.
I would suggest that since Kogan are offering lower prices than Aldi that perhaps they wanted to keep very similar to the current deal that they agreed to with ISPone, whereas since Aldi is already charging slightly more they can absorb a small increase and not have it affect them as much and as they don't offer 365 day deals like Kogan they are capable of changing their pricing model as they and Telstra see fit.
Don't be at all surprised if in the coming weeks Aldi go to the same pricing model as Boost ($40 for Unlimited plus 3gb of data but Aldi should keep its 5gb data).
Maybe Telstra simply refused to take on Kogan?
There would be a whole raft of factors kicking into this one - not just pricing.
Strategically, i suspect Telstra will gain more by letting Kogan die, however a deal with an expanding supermarket chain is something worth pursuing. I reckon i'd play hard ball if i was Telstra.
But the reality is i'm just making all this up as i go…
I'm guessing Aldi has deeper pockets and is taking a loss in the short term.
Maybe, but the Aldi call and data allowance aren't particularly generous, it's roughly the same as Amaysim, so won't be a strain on Telstra's infrastructure. I think Telstra doesn't mind renting out their 3G network now that they're pushing 4G.
Megaphat
Ever heard of due diligence of your suppliers??
Kogan were fools, Kogan is a fool.
He also sells crap TVs
There's no reason for Aldi to match Boost schemes either price or data, for starters Aldi unlike Boost does not have access to the full Telstra network and has it's 3G speeds limited.
"Because Medion and Telstra Wholesale have been able to negotiate a direct supply agreement, there will be no changes to the services for Aldi Mobile," Telstra Wholesale group managing director, Stuart Lee, said in a statement."
No changes to the services for Aldi Mobile sounds pretty safe to me.
read carefully, an "interim" agreement
So Is aldi who everyone is going to go to? Or Boost? I see the Aldi sim can be ordered online but theres a 10 day delay coz understandably they are getting swamped :/
I switched from amaysim to boost and couldn't be happier.
u can get boost sim just everywhere.See my comment below about ordering online and getting half price recharge
Reading that Kogan announcement leaves you with the sense that, in as far as being an MVNO, that they're throwing in the towel altogether.
Maybe there'll be a re-launch down the track on another network, but it seems unlikely.
Here's hoping that the 'deals' Kogan is going to try and negotiate on behalf of angry customers bear some vaguely edible fruit.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-19/kogan-mobile-users-shu…
The prepaid mobile phone services of 120,000 Kogan users are in limbo tonight, after wholesale provider ispONE went into voluntary administration.
As a supplier of Telstra services, ispONE provides wholesale prepaid connections to about 250,000 customers.
Kogan Mobile prepaid users will receive a text from Telstra informing them services are no longer supported, and they will use interim Telstra services.
The 130,000 remaining ispONE users were part of the Aldi mobile network, but they narrowly avoided the same fate under a deal with Telstra.
For the Kogan users, the contract termination means they cannot recharge their phone and any existing data, call and text balances will expire in 30 days.
Kogan services in limbo? More like on death row. Starting soon, some Kogan services will enter a transition period where they will be disconnected after 7 days of limited use.
Its curtains for Kogan Mobile.
so where is everyone on Kogan going to go? Interested to work out my best option.
Aldi mobile -
Calls - Unlimited
Text and MMS - Unlimited
Data - 5gb
Days - 30Cost - $35
Boost -
Calls - Unlimited
Text and MMS - Unlimted
Data - 3gb
Days - 30Cost - $40
To me Aldi mobile offers 2gb a month extra data and it is also $5 cheaper, I don't know why Boost would be considered better other than the fact that it has more stability given that Aldi has an interim agreement. Worst case scenario switch to Aldi for a few months and save a few bucks then if they bump up the price or drop out because talks break down the same way that they have with Kogan then switch over to boost.
For me I'm planning on having a deeper look through some phone plans tonight I am 99% sure I'll end up with Aldi for the time being but if they shoot up the price then the data restrictions on Boost may lead me to look for a plan that includes a phone or even a switch to something like internode where I get home broadband so I don't have to worry about the data so much.
Boost Mobile offers better mobile coverage (access to the full Telstra Next G network) and faster download speeds (up to DC-HSPA+).
Boost is owned by Telstra, aldi is not
No, Boost is an independent company, not owned by Telstra
It is pseudo-owned by Telstra. They are not through Telstra wholesale as they have access to full 3G speeds, unlike Aldi.
I am going with boost. My starter pack is already waiting at australia post.
All well and wonderful if you never use more than 3GB of data a month. If you need more (I, and many others, do) Boost is simply not an option.
For people thinking of signing up with Aldi - you really might want to wait until a proper deal is signed with Telstra (or somebody else). The specifics may end up being quite different from the current offer.
If you don't mind Optus, you can get 4GB of data with Amaysim.
You can also get up to 10GB of data with Yatango, the cost depends on how you build your plan. I know someone on Yatango who has chosen 200 call minutes + 10GB of data for $50 per month. It suits them as they are primarily interested in the data, rather than calls and SMS.
Both have slower download speed relative to main Optus network.
May, or may not be an issue for you.Try the Woolworths deal as a faster option. Just be aware that the call allowance - relative to the 45 day expiry - only represents a handful of call minutes per day.
In my experience (and I've never read anything to suggest otherwise), Amaysim is just as fast as retail Optus 3G.
Ditto, I've tried several Optus resellers: Woolies, a small operation I forget the name of, and Amaysim, and the performance was the same as Optus itself, which I also tried.
At the moment I have only $5 with Aldi, as it's a spare phone, so I won't be too badly affected if the interim agreement doesn't stick, but I think it'll be ok.
I'm speaking from experience, as I sit here.
I have a still active Amaysim account (a smidge remaining on a ridiculously priced 10GB 365 data pack). Have used a Yatango sim recently and compared it directly to Amaysim. (Identical speeds.)
I also have an active Optus sim, that's not on the so-called 'Open Network'.The difference between the two when rendering normal webpages is relatively slight. Download a file, and even allowing for the relative instability of the overall Optus network, speeds have been consistently around 25 to 30% slower. Things have deteriorated overall quite a bit since I took up the original Amaysim offer.
Very obvious when playing a Youtube video. Sitting where I am right now, I can play a video comfortably at 320x240 resolution on the main Optus sim - 360p with long buffering. Using Amaysim, 240p won't play at all - the app I use won't even try to buffer. It will play at 176x144, but even on a small phone screen that's almost unwatchable.
As far as I know, from sign-up onwards, Optus run the whole shebang for Woolies, and that as a result, their service runs (very likely un-throttled) on the main network. Hence the recommendation.
Fair enough. I don't watch Youtube on mobile data, except towards the end of a data block so I'm not a heavy user.
I went to coles bought the $2 sim then paid $40 to recharge and then noticed if you buy the sim online you can recharge for half price $20.
When I ported to Kogan from 3 it took a full 2 days between 3 stopping and Kogan working.
When I ported to Boost from 3 you simply insert the Boost sim once 3 stops working and Boost works immediately. No down time.If you are porting from Telstra to Boost you need to do a livechat and get a BLANK sim, not one with a phone number attached to it already. You can port from any other carrier with a normal sim eg from coles or Boost online.
i had no downtime switching from amaysim to kogan so i'd say it varies.
do i need blank sim for kogan to boost ?
Cos i ordered starter pack online.
Anyone else find this a really sad read? It just proves how true monopolies are.
Telstra, Optus & Vodafone do not make a monopoly.
There's serious competition out there, especially in the mobile space, and we're all beneficiaries of it. This competitive environment will continue, however in the short term (especially) Kogan customers will feel a little violated.
Have you noticed that optus's and vodafones and virgin's prices have all gone up recently as well? Funny that it happened around the time Kogan appeared to be going down.
I call that the market in action…
ps. I bought an Aldi SIM tonight - thinking of building up my portfolio of mobiles - let's see if i can connect without telling them who i am…
In fairness they struck up a deal with Aldi, they could well be have been reasonable but Kogan is hung up on their ISPone deal that was clearly unsustainable.
I would like to jump on the hate Telstra bandwagon but it is possible that they just don't want to screw themselves on price.
I can remember from about a year or maybe eighteen months ago seeing an interview with a Telstra executive on one of the ABC's business shows.
The gist of that discussion was that - as demand for mobile data kept growing - that maintenance of mobile data prices at high levels was seen by said Telstra exec as THE driver of future profits for the corporation.Telstra made a conscious decision to wholesale the non-NextG part of its 3G network - a decision I believe it now regrets.
As much as anything - especially by way of the Kogan/ispONE arrangement - it created an expectation in too many consumers that you could have unlimited calls and text PLUS a genuinely generous data allowance - on the Telstra network - for genuinely reasonable price.If Telstra wanted ispONE to make ends meet and survive - despite ispONE's own poor calculations - it EASILY could have made that transpire.
If Telstra wanted to enter into a direct arrangement with Kogan that would allow not only the plan hopes of customers to be fulfilled - but for both Telstra AND Kogan to make a profit - instead of just Telstra, it EASILY could STILL make that happen. But it won't.
So you cant tell me that Kogan didnt know of this when they sent an email out on the 28th of july informing users of a price increase. At the time my three month plan was due to expiry on the 19th of aug. To bet the price rise i renewed for a year. Be intetesting to see how long it takes for a refund??
Actually I am quite happy with how well Kogan has kept me informed. They had to pass on the price increase after new negotiations with ISPone but at that time their (ISPone's) problems didn't seem to be public knowledge.
We were informed that they there could be diruptions to our service when Telstra tried to tear up the contract.
Then we were given a follow up once ISPone had gone in to administration and after they (Kogan) had very quickly entered negotiations with Telstra and what the end result is.
Shoe on the other foot I don't believe that Aldi customers have had any communications at all, yes their provider has struck up an interim deal but that doesn't take away from the fact that they could have very easily been in the same position without having given their customers any forewarning whatsoever.
The situation sucks, but under the circumstances and with the outcome I believe that Kogan have done the best they could in the situation. It certainly hasn't tarnished my opinion of them it has only tarnished my view on the owners and accountants at ISPone who made very big errors in judgement and pricing.
Hey guys, I had originally purchased 2 $5 sim kits, and only activated one of them. Now that KoganMobile is closing down, will I get my $5 refunded for that sim or? Thanks (more worried about my other sim card, which I paid the $299 365 days access for).
I would email their support, they are very helpful (at least in my experience)
You paid postage and handling, which they delivered. Granted you didn't get a chance to use it, maybe there is a chance of a refund if it was a recent purchase. I think they would be more focused on ACCESS365 refunds, I would be more worried about that. Getting your SIM card fees compensated might be like getting blood from a stone.
From my interpretation, no chance on the SIM card.
They are doing refunds pro rata, you purchased a SIM card which could then be used with their service. The SIM card hasn't failed, you could lodge a PayPal dispute if you've bought it through them and in the last 45 days but aside from that I would say its $5 gone.
I'll be making sure I use every last day they let me on mine (365 day plan with 130 days left on it) and I'll jump ship as soon as they 'shape' me to 20minutes of calls and 20 text…. Hopefully the refund will come through quickly after that (less than a month and I'll be happy). I'm still hoping Kogan have another crack at striking up a deal with Telstra, don't think it'll happen but crazier things have.
They offered the simcards at $0 from what I recall, the $5 which got upped to $20 in recent weeks was for postage and handling. I personally wouldn't worry too much about $5. Only this month I've had to walk away from a $67 excess data bill from Pennytel. My mistake? Attempting to increase my data plan for Aug from 4GB to 14GB and the 14GB went on my voice simcard as I didn't select the right account number on the websites drop menu. So I used 6.2 GB on the 4GB plan and the 14GB remained untouched and unactivated for data at the Vodafone server until Aug 20. Can I get my money back, Whaddya reckon? Nope any error by the customer is Jam on the bread and butter for Telco's. But I will pursue a pro-rata claim for the period of time the 14GB on the phone sim was unavailable to use.
From the Kogan website..
"Kogan Mobile customers who have remaining credit at the time their services are terminated by Telstra will have their entire remaining balance refunded to them by Kogan Mobile. The refund amount shall be calculated as the pro-rata amount remaining on the date of deactivation of service."Kogan has announced that their network will seize to exist within 30 days.
Wrong word on the first sentence doesn't help their credibility.
Optus offers special deal for Kogan and Aldi customers
http://www.optus.com.au/aboutoptus/About+Optus/Media+Centre/…
haha! 'special deal' is merely double the quota on the first three recharges… not that special at all (but might be ok in transition).
I knew something would happen. Thats why I chose dodo over Aldi/Kogan
Hey! What the hell! 2 nights ago you could order an ALDI sim pack online, but it looks like they've taken the link down. Is there any way for me to get an ALDI sim now, since I live in WA?
Ask someone in another state to buy for you? There were lots in the Aldi supermarket today.
Ah, good idea. Do they ask for your name and ID when you buy them at the supermarket?
Not in my case and in general as far as I know. You provide them at activation.
ACMA handles a lot of this - they issue determinations now and again.
Here's their most recent determination - that's the 2004 amended version, though it looks like a new version is on the way.
While i haven't checked this all out yet, some time ago i think it was just a form that was meant to be completed at point of purchase (which many didn't follow). Sounds like they now have a parallel process that applies at point of activation that obliges the supplier to verify ID information provided over the phone. By that i mean if you don't provide the details at point of purchase, expect a verification process when seeking to activate.
For those not in the know, all this crap was introduced with a raft of other anti-terror legislation years ago following 9/11 etc. Of course it also increases the risk of identity fraud given a lot more outfits have your personal information - they don't all know how to protect it…
Boost is essentially a Telstra company. Telstra runs the network and the back-end, Boost is a marketing front end business that generates the business.
All prepaid price has gone up
http://eftm.com.au/2013/08/exclusive-ispone-re-structures-to…Lebra Mobile who have been in operation for many years have removed their best value plan which had a large data allowance and replaced it with a diminished 500MB per month.
Cast your eye over Dodo Mobile’s offerings today and you’ll find the $39.90 “unlimited” plan which had 5GB of data is now gone – a distant memory for customers keen to recharge.
Now look at Savvytel – they used to have a $38 “unlimited” plan with 4GB of data – that too is now long gone. Not available.
Anyone else having trouble porting to Aldi?
Ive got an email twice saying that my order has been rejected.
I've checked all details again and resubmitted but still no luck.
Gonna be without service soon…
Quite a few people also seem to have the same issue, according to the discussion thread on Whirlpool (near the end of the thread, but it's moving fast due to current event). Seem to be Kogan's API kept on rejecting the request from Aldi.
Systems and humans under alot of pressure in the wake of this debacle. I doubt that there's any skullduggery on Kogan's part in play as regards the porting.
As people discover that their data packs aren't being renewed (well before the '30 days' timeframe is up for many), things will likely even get worse.Thanks for the link Scotty..
I've tried another 5 times now and it keeps getting rejected..
Seems like people have had luck porting to Telstra and then to Aldi as Kogan to Aldi porting is having issues.
Guess that will be my last resort…
does aldi sell micro sims or do we need to chop ?
There's a picture here: http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2013/08/aldi-mobile-everything-you… so it looks it caters for both mini and micro.
I'm looking at the one i bought the other day.
Looks like the micro pops out of the standard SIM, if that's the way you need to go.
I concur I have a micro one in a tablet and one full size in phone, you'd think it'd be the other way around given the size of device.
It's more to do with the generation of the device really. Funny how people refer to mini as the standard now. I actually have used a credit card sized SIM in an early phone. Those must be extinct now, but the credit card size frame keeps the mini SIM from getting lost.
Never am I going with Kogan for any product ever again, I am sick of this bloody company.
Received a new offer from now another company Kogan partnered with; I am guessing to prevent giving out refunds.
https://www.yatangomobile.com.au/kogan-offer/
Check your e-mail; you'll receive a unique code for 6GB Data + Unlimited everything as Kogan privided, but on the Optus network.
It's got nothing to do with not giving out refunds, they have already stated that all refunds will be given pro rata from your second message from Telstra saying that you have 7 days; 20mins and 20 SMS.
They have obviously been contact by the company who has presented them with the offer as a way of signing up new clients (the normal costs are far more than that of boost, Aldi or woollies).
Don't know why ISPone's miss management would cause you to never want to buy from them again, bit of an overreaction.
I hate to say it but I agree with Moots.
Kogan could have done a deal with Telstra to save his customers too.
But he is too much of a tightarse and decided he would rather they suffer.
I hear the sound of customers leaving his brand in droves - he sells crap TV's anyway…
Can't cite a reference but I read an article claiming that it was Telstra refusing to deal with Kogan. It wasn't that an agreement couldn't be made it was that Telstra wasn't interested in trying to come to an agreement.
Not sure if it was fake 'unnamed source' reporting or if it has any truth to it, but I certainly wouldn't put it past them (Telstra), wanting to take the wind out of Kogans sails.
I got that, I'm going to try it for the free month trial which is indeed for unlimited calls and 6GB data. I'm only interested to see whether our local Optus tower has increased it's resources since I left Virgin before Christmas. At that time you could forget using the Internet at busy times.
I get the impression that once the month free trial ends then you have to select your own plan along with all the others.
I was put on Telstras 7 day before cutoff plan this morning, and received this offer from Kogan tonight to join Optus based Yatango mobile.
"This exclusive and FREE 30 day offer gives you:
- Unlimited Talk
- Unlimited SMS
- 6GB Data
- FREE SIM with Free Delivery
Risk-Free, No Commitments. Limited time only."Its 30 days only and then you go on one of Yatangos actual plans. Not bad for a free 30 days..
I might port to that plan once I get the text, just to see how the Optus network holds up in my area.
Seen Kogan Mobile's official response?
http://www.kogan.com/au/blog/kogans-response-to-telstras-res…
Kogan: It's all Telstra's fault.
Kogan's blowing close to the legal wind with some of the inferences made in this statement. Telstra's legal team will be carefully parsing this for sure…
Not absolutely sure what they are trying to achieve, apart from:
Bullying Telstra into offering terms that suit them. It's not often a mouse will seek to bully an elephant. Probably a little late for any deal anyway, so i guess they are just trying to…
Win the PR war.
Re sale of ispONE assets - it would be unremarkable for them to be bought up by their key (former) corporate partners - Telstra included.
BTW late in the piece they also refer to Stuart Lee as Telstra's 'Managing Director' - he's not Managing Director in the sense referred to in the Corporations Act (or CEO to use the American terminology), but Group Managing Director of Telstra Wholesale.
Kogan's Founder/CEO is not known for being…gracious. He has excellent skills in the running and establishment of a business, but I have the feeling negotiations would not be his strong point.
Just comes across as awkward and introverted, not prototypical of a CEO. But I actually quite like him for the telco industry, they need a bull in a china store.
Quite the opposite actually. Negotiating is probably his strongest suit. Remember he originally negotiated with Asian manufacturers to build his TVs and to my knowledge still does for his other product lines.
@Frecklenuts
Kogan is all about PR. Kogan Mobile's response to Telstra is akin to what Kogan's response was to Harvey Norman. It's all about being the underdog, David vs Goliath, and doing it better.
BTW late in the piece they also refer to Stuart Lee as Telstra's 'Managing Director' - he's not Managing Director in the sense referred to in the Corporations Act
According to the Telstra blog, he is the Group Managing Director of Telstra Wholesale.
Irrespective of how much he had to do with it - that statement put out by Kogan was beautifully worded.
Unfortunately, at least as far as being a bull in the telco chinashop, barring a serious twist in proceedings he's now just the tail of the bull doing a bit of dusting…By the way, President Clinton - Bill (if I may be so bold), is Hillary going to run in 2016?
Carn. We won't spill the beans.
Promise.…that statement put out by Kogan was beautifully worded.
I wouldn't have put it that way.
Carefully worded is how i would put it.
There's some tight legal-speak in there - he may have written the first draft (essentially defining the scope of what he wanted to say), but then the lawyers would have finished it off.I don't have any respect for it to be honest - they have attempted to make a raft of inferences without hard evidence to back it up.
It's gutless.
For example:
…we invite Telstra to be open and transparent with the Australian public by disclosing the rates and terms on which it is prepared to supply Kogan.
Are they kidding? - no supplier does this - it's commercially highly sensitive.
The reality is that to date, Kogan Mobile has not received even remotely “commercial”, let alone competitive, terms of direct supply.
An empty statement - how is "commercial" defined for example?
You don't ride on Telstra's network, that they built up over years & cost a fortune, for nothing punk.
We also invite Telstra to publicly disclose whether there is any enabler or platform operator,…
This suggests it is Telstra's responsibility to find someone else other than ispONE - what a farce.
We also invite Telstra to publicly disclose whether it has in any way induced, facilitated, or otherwise participated in or profited from the entry by ispONE into a sale contract in respect of the transfer of its assets …
The word 'induced' etc suggests that any such behaviour, if true, is improper. That's the inference, but they don't have the balls to say it, as any such offer is not necessarily improper.
…dissolving injunctions granted by the Federal Court of Australia, and disposing of a proceeding on foot between ispONE and Telstra, in which Telstra was alleged to have: blah blah…
Allegations to & fro are the stuff of litigation - the allegations that Kogan have repeated have not been tested. Again, absolutely gutless.
We also invite Telstra to publicly respond to the written communication from ispONE to Kogan, in which ispONE stated: blah blah…
Take note: ispONE made what would have been a confidential (and quite possibly baseless) assertion to Kogan, and now he's disclosing it in circumstances where ispONE is hardly in a position to even respond, let alone take action. Who could trust Kogan after this??
In the absence of public responses to the above questions, …
He's suggesting that if they remain silent, then the inferences must be true.
…if you are truly and sincerely “concerned” about the 120,000 customers using your network via Kogan Mobile, then you ought certainly be willing to disclose to these customers …
What's he on about? - The GMD of Telstra Wholesale should have personally attended any meeting called by Kogan? As to the suggestion that Telstra should make 'disclosures' to 'customers' - they are Kogan's customers, not Telstra's.
I could go on, but i think it's an absolutely gutless statement that wouldn't be worth the paper it's written on in any court without hard evidence to support the inferences they are making.
Not a shred of evidence of wrongdoing - just gutless nods & winks.
Ahhh … that was therapeutic…
@Tas Anything to get back in the white house ;-)
@Nuts_sans_sufficient_sunscreen:
A noble set as regards benefits-of-the-doubt, given to a corporation I am disinclined to believe deserves them.As regards the Kogan statement, I am personally inclined to believe just about everything implied.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.At least some things will come out in the wash - but alot will depend on Kogan's resolve to pursue.
@William_Jefferson_Clinton:
It's been a while. If you're expecting Monica to be waiting under the desk for you - you may be disappointed.And I give you a star for the effort. Presumably Kogan is about to open its books to the world in the interests of transparency? That should make his suppliers happy.
A noble set as regards benefits-of-the-doubt…
Oh, i'm not suggesting none of it is true.
I'm saying he hasn't presented any evidence that backs up his assertions and inferences.Telstra's a prick of a company - we all accept that don't we? - but i wouldn't base that on what i've heard so far about ispONE & their problems using a slide rule.
I'm glad at least someone read all my waffle - that diatribe took a while to write…
So is Yatango any good? I never heard of them….
See http://www.ozbargain.com.au/deals/yatangomobile.com.au
Looks like you can get $30.75 cashback via Qwibble as well.
•Please note that Members should only use voucher codes listed on Qwibble. If you use voucher codes or gift vouchers that are not listed on Qwibble your cashback may not track or may be declined.
So if you were to use the voucher given by Kogan to get the first month unlimited for free, you will not be eligible for the cashback.
From previous experience with other cashback companies also, they refuse the cashback if any sort of promo code is applied.
is it just their 3g in admin? what about their landline net?
where does this stand?It's only Telstra based clients. ispONE spun off all other assets prior to going into voluntary admin. This would be to protect their Optus connected business, Net, landline and software development (iBoss system). Basically, they knew it was done and stripped the cupboard bare to ensure creditors won't even get cents to the dollar.
Wow…
Always thought this would be resolved, but obviously not.
This will impact Kogan brand overall - who i can't stand anyway.
What a complete fu.
Glad i'm with Woolworths, Optus & Vodafone (yes, all three)…
EDIT: couple of points after reading more stuff…
I can't see what Telstra has done wrong - it's not a problem of their creation. Mobiles business is notoriously competitive - they'll do whatever they view as in their commercial interests. I don't buy into this Telstra-bashing.
I wonder how much of an impact Kogan's litigation against ispONE earlier this year had on all this - taking action that weakens your supplier isn't always a good idea.
If you're on Kogan, i'd move now, regardless of what plan you're on.
Wow…