Hi
where should I buy it from?
Only places I found was
shaver shop
ebay - wldnt prefer
gumtree - wldnt buy
any discount codes for shaver shop?
Philips ipl Hair Removal System
Lfranktheone on 09/01/2014 - 23:06
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Thanks very much mate.
I found few good reviews for philips ipl.their device doesn't require a replacement bulb or anything. Also they have 90 days return policy.
I would probably go for the cheapest corded model which is $500 in shavershop.Yeah, I noticed that price but figured you already knew about it. 90 days isn't bad, but I don't think it's long enough to check if hair doesn't regrow. (Research that online.) But it's better than, "Sorry, if you've used it - there's no refunds." 180 days is better for checking regrowth purposes, so maybe buy one machine, return, buy a second in another's name. I really don't like doing things this way, but for goodness sake - if they'd just give us decent products, who'd bother! No consumable bulbs - that's a good thing too.
BTW. There used to be a site run by an Australian (I think) transvestite (again I think). It lists all the hair removal scams, machine brands to avoid (one brand makes unit that just don't work and flogs them regularly on ebay), it had a forum for helping people with hair removal questions. I can't remember it now. Can't even think of keywords to search for it.
I think I read on that forum a few years ago, about someone having laser done by a supposed professional… hair on their back or shoulders I believe it was. Anyway, something went wrong and they wound up with MORE hair than before - something about activating dormant hairs. Attack of the killer folicals, LOL!
If you do get one of those I wonder if you would mind sending me a PM in say 6 months time with your opinion of it? You don't have to, I'd just like to know if you we're open to sharing.
Oh - and forgot to mention before… Some beauty salon equipment suppliers repair and resell traded in electrolysis equipment. I had to choose only one, I think I'd take that option, if only for the fact home IPL units can only kill dark hairs, whereas electrolysis does the lot.
Having trained in Beauty Therapy & owned a galvanic electrolysis machine I know you have to be extremely careful in their use. Had to do a long course for all with taking an exam. at the finish along with proof of being able to use the machine correctly to enable to receive a registered diploma for further use on clients. The needles have to be inserted directly into each hair follicle before applying the electric current to kill the hair at its root - any mis placing of the needle will cause skin burning. There fore you need both very good eyesight, a steady hand & a lighted, strong professional magnifier to achieve reaching these tiny follicles. Done properly the process is uncomfortable but bearable - done wrongly it causes burning & skin irritation for many days. My advise is to be very careful & preferably leave it to the professionals
The professionals always want us to leave it to the professionals. Because in most cases we find out we can do it better. ;-)
Seriously though, my wife and I had some professional electrolysis done. Although they must have been trained, they were just kids barely out of school. I do know what you're saying, but doing a course does not mean someone is good at what they do. They have to have the head knowledge AND be competent.
I purchased an old car recently. Sellers were the second owners, buying it after only one year with the original purchaser. The owners crowed about having it regularly serviced at their 'great' mechanic in Orange, NSW ever since. I'm not a mechanic. But I know the model extremely well having owned several, so I can easily spot something out of place. I've been amazed how many things their mechanic has broken, screws and bolts swapped and replaced into the wrong position stripping threads, parts fitted from a similar but wrong model therefore producing untraceable faults… the list goes on. Every day I find something else the twit has ruined on the car through his lack of knowledge (or indifference), and I feel like warning everyone online somehow, because he's still in business working on other people's cars.
When I got it, their mechanic had done an inspection and written, "Pulling to one side. Needs power steering looked at." The car was pulling to one side allright - because 3 wheels were 15" and one was 14"! And as if that wasn't ringing alarm bells loud enough for him, the three 15" were silver MAGS - and the 14 was a black STEEL rim, LOL!
So in this case I'm the expert when compared to that qualified mechanic whose work is what you would expect from a shadetree hack.
I won't even start about the shoddy quality of new homes churned out by 'professional' home builders that I've worked for.
In that forum I mentioned many received equipment recommendations (and warnings), book suggestions ("Electrolysis, Thermolysis & the Blend" was the main one recommended.) Everyone was given ample warnings and cautions with information on how to do it right. (Many were recommended to go to professionals too.) But no-one ever came back saying they had burned/damaged themselves thanks to their non-professional info. There were however, many that did just that about the 'pros' they'd been to, before deciding they must be able to do a better job themselves. Many came back to announce their success and say thanks for the help.
Sorry, don't mean to be difficult. It just seems like everything has gotten to the point where if you don't have a signed piece of paper, you're a useless blob attached to a wallet. People with reasonable intelligence don't need extensive courses to learn practical things. Most can be summarised in a few minutes by someone else that knows, or from a (quality) book. But courses and training centres turn the process into weeks/months/years partly because of government legalese, but mostly because that's where they earn their money.
The key bit of info - the feel of inserting the needle correctly - can't really be taught. You can explain to someone what they need to do, tell them what to feel for, but every person that does it - pro or home user - are all at the same level when they stick that needle in for the first time, because someone else can't do it for them. It's only after they press the button and see the lye forming and the hair freely slides out, that they know they did it right. All the other stuff - machine settings, needle sterilisation, hygiene, skin preparation, power levels, timing, hair types, needle size, area concentration, soothing the skin as you go, and after-treatment skin care… can all be learned from a book along with the unit's own user guide. (Heck, I've never even done it and I bet I've mentioned 90% in a couple of messages.)
People that sought that info on the forum were always warned to start on the low settings until they get the feel of locating the needle correctly. One guy I read had made his own from a 9 volt battery and it was working, producing lye. You can't get hurt with low DC power levels like that. They only begin to turn up the power when they become confident. Most people doing it at home need to be a couple too because you can't safely do much yourself except your forearm. (Surely no-one would rush in and hurt their partner by doing no research.)
Look, I do know what you're saying. Yes, it can be dangerous. But the people determined to do it will anyway. The ones not confident will get it done professionally or will learn more before making a decision.
The kind of person that buys a machine with no research, winds the power level to full, sits their sleeping cat on the timer, jams the used and oversized needle into their arm missing the follicle, and throws their empty beer at the ON switch… hang on, I've never actually met anyone like that (even though so many professionals seem worried they're out there). If they do exist, here's hoping they're all politicians and that they turn their skin into beef jerky. ;-p…
:D
totally agree with uSpeak up for yourself man and tell us what you really think! What? Oh… you did. ;-)
I've love for these units to work. The only thing that reduces the certainty of that is the maximum power level. I wonder if someone cluey online has found a modification to the circuit to boost its range. Hm… Something else to add to my list of research topics a mile long.
The feel of inserting the needle correctly
Well I would say that is stating the obvious - the person who performs the process must ask the client if they are comfortable throughout the process.
Should you be attempting to use it at home on yourself, again it would be obvious that you would know if the procedure is being applied correctly or there would be a lot of language & expletives coming from whichever room you are in @ the time !! Good luck & do let us all know the outcome once you have used it
The Philips ipl has a 2 year global warranty even from online sellers.
I bought one online from Italy.
The warranty booklet with it specifically excludes Australia even though about 150 other countries are covered.
I used an ebay seller but they did have a physical shop in Italy which made me more comfortable with it.
Been using it for about 4 months according to the specified schedule and hair is patchy and a lot thinner but not gone yet, though this could be due to using an epilator for the last 18 years which I finally gave up on when nearly all hairs became ingrown. Areas not previously epilated have responded as promised. I think I paid $475 for it with the AUD:EUR exchange rate at the time so the corded one for $499 is not bad from shaver shop. You will need the precision head attachment for knees and ankles unless very fat and I'm not sure if this has it included (there was a corded version online from France which didn't)Have you had the experience where a hair seems to have gone - for weeks - then appears again? Some descriptions I've read say even when it seems permanent, you may find the hair grows back months/years later. I guess 4 months might not be enough to answer that question though.
The reason it excludes Australia as you will start to notice with most things is that we have the new ACCC Laws which outlive a warranty ie: The price you pay for something you expect a reasonable quality and life expectancy from it.
ie: 2 watches both have 1 year warranty, 1 cost $50, the other $20,000. The $50 watch if it breaks after 18 months, that is expected. But the $20K watch is expected to last longer so the ACCC has cobvered that.
I didn't really expect it to be permanent as even with salon IPL I have known people to have hair growing back eventually unless it is 'topped up' every 6 months (never tried a salon myself due to the cost).
After 4 months there are still hairs there but whether it is the same hair or a new one next to it I can't tell.
I do notice that I can get away with shaving less than once a week.
If I can do just a monthly zapping forever I'm more than happy to buy a new device every 5 yearsYeah, I/we are after permanent - not the salon version of permanent (which has meant "most hair gone for a while until it isn't"), LOL. But everyone else alive on the planet's version of permanent.
I haven't seen this particular unit, but we were considering one of two different models a few years ago that hair/shaver shops were selling. Make sure you do your research first. (Find some reviews from people that actually own one.) Because back then they were so limited in power the hair either doesn't go, or soon grows back - and in the meantime you're spending $ renewing flash lamps because they have a limited life. Most people said the hair grew back thinner. Who cares. You buy one of these to get rid of hair, not thin it. Things may have changed in those few years, but not likely.
I just did a search. Notice these two comments from the manufacturer's description:
"REPEATING this treatment REGULARLY will keep your skin smooth everyday."
Philips has adapted this technology for safe and effective use in the comfort of your own home.
That sounds to me like need to keep using it forever (just like tweezers) because they've 'adapted' (reduced the power) to where it's nearly useless. Yep, things don't sound like they've changed much. We found (online reviews) that home units worked for some people but not others. (As usual the 'professionals' get the units that really work - and we get toys with no promises.)
Anyway… I did a lot of research on this a few years ago, and real galvanic electrolysis is the oldest, safest, and most reliable for long-term results. Hair often (but not always) grows back with all the home units. But with galvanic electrolysis lye is produced that destroys the hair root. Sterex is the main brand we we're considering. It's a UK brand, small, costs about $1000, and the only consumables you had to buy were the needles. They seem to be great (albeit overpriced) machines that switch off automatically to lower the risk of damaging yourself/someone else.
BTW. If you do go with traditional electrolysis, be aware there's 3 types. You can read about them here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrology
But basically galvanic is the oldest and safest using only electric current. The others use RF (radio frequency) energy that you can seriously damage yourself with. Sterex used to make about 3 models. The cheapest one was galvanic only. The units that had the RF modes were at least more safe than some other manufacturers because they switch off the energy automatically. At least some of the RF mode units also could be used on galvanic mode only.
I guess you could always try one of these IPL home units and resell it if it doesn't work for you, but I thought you might like the bigger picture first.