Myki Changes (Melbourne PTV)

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  melgibson on 12/08/2014 - 22:13

  +1

  The 2 hour change is unfortunate. Often I take a quick trip to a shopping centre on the train and will return within the single fair limits. But say I turn up yo the station and the train has been delayed or isn't coming for ages. Part of me wants to now wait outside the barriers so I can maximise my fair.

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    sparkles on 12/08/2014 - 23:11

    Yep, touch on at the very last second if you think you might be pushing the 2 hour limit. Especially if your line is always notoriously late.

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    wog_ta on 12/08/2014 - 23:13

    +1

    The way i see it most people will keep assuming the 2hr+ time limit still applies and end up paying more. Not fair when service is delayed which it often is.

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  hellbound on 12/08/2014 - 22:41

  +4

  The $75 on the spot fine sounds so much like the police bribes in Russia. I wonder how many of those will go straight into the ticketing officers pocket.
  Combine this with the large number of bus and tram routes that were recently axed, and it's a bad time for the public on transport.

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    wog_ta on 12/08/2014 - 23:16

    +3

    Another way to look at it is if you use the tram to get around mostly then don't buy a ticket and simply cop the $75 fine on those rare times an inspector actually hops on.

    For a full fare payer this might work out to be much cheaper. I'm not sure if my logic is flawed?

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      hellbound on 13/08/2014 - 14:41

      I know people who do this, not sure with the new on the spot fines but under the old structure repeated offences would increase the fine amount.

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  sparkles on 12/08/2014 - 23:18

  +1

  They don't accept cash for these on the spot fines. You have to pay via credit/debit on a machine they carry. It's a cash grab, I imagine the inspectors have been trained in "sales" pressure tactics to convince you to hand over your card. Easier still though, just buy a ticket LOL.

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    melgibson on 12/08/2014 - 23:22

    I know a few cases where ppl have genuinely been baffled that their ticket was invalid. Those stupid swipe machines are notoriously low and quick so you can't see if you've swiped properly. Also it can be easy to jump on without credit. Now their is a disincentive to appeal.

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  sparkles on 12/08/2014 - 23:25

  -1

  It's only a matter of time before this happens when you don't have enough myki credit:

  http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130415223924/thehungerg…

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  SuperTeD1982 on 13/08/2014 - 00:35

  the old 2 hour ticket did the extra maybe because the metcard hardware and software was not sophisticated enough to actually detect the cards expiry to the minute, but only too the hour, that is just a guess, because i don't think ptv ever would have wanted to give the extra possible 59minute bonus if they could avoid it, either way, it was called and was a 2 hour ticket, the extra was a 'bonus' you could say, now you get charged 2 hours only if you travel upto 2 hours. I see what some of you are saying that some people will not know of the changes and will get 'overcharged' but i'm sure you will work it out pretty quickly.

  The myki readers are very bad, and the system in general is a joke, but the amount of fare evasion is also a joke, i think the 75 dollar on the spot fines are pretty moderate, considering as someone pointed out, if you fare evade all the time the chances of being caught are still not that high, and 75 dollars could be the value of 1 weeks commuting, all you have to do is get caught every 2nd week and you are still saving!, lol.

  Overall tho, with all the money spent, and wasted on the myki system with it going overbudget and still not working properly (understatement of the decade!), the money that went into it by the end we probably could have had a ticketing system like there is in Singapore which i hear is very hightech and also works!.

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    johninmelb on 13/08/2014 - 14:15

    I bought my Singapore MTR card 5 years ago and it has never failed me. I visit Singapore infrequently, but each time I go, the card works first time, every time. I just top up from time to time. It expires in 2016 so I will replace it when I go again next year.

    Since MYKI started I am now on my 4th card having had the first 3 just die on me without warning.

    We have never yet had a proper explanation as to why we did not buy the Singapore or Hong Kong ticketing system. Vic Dept of Transport should be dragged in to court and made to account for this idiotic fiasco and the public servants who got the kickbacks made to repay every cent of their bribes plus interest.

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      wog_ta on 14/08/2014 - 07:56

      I can't find the link but I remember reading that the Myki system was chosen as it was a cheaper on paper yet supposed to be equally as good system. That was before the myki problems were realised.

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  Unorthodox on 13/08/2014 - 11:08

  2 hours should mean two hours of actual PTV use. That'll be more correct to their definition.

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  JediJan on 13/08/2014 - 12:33

  What bothers me is these ticketing inspectors. I don't like their oppressive manner; don't think this belongs in a civilised country. How do you know if these guys are for real or are fakes? I always pay my fares and Myki etc. but I don't like their heavy handed presence. If a Police Officer asked for proof of my Myki card I wouldn't mind, but most of these guys look like criminals (for whatever they look like)?! Okay; tell me how you tell the fakes from the real deal? World is too full of scammers etc. it is too hard to trust anyone.

  I understand Centrelink and welfare agencies help cash deprived people with travel cards etc. so there isn't much excuse, other than being totally rip off mean, for most to cheat on their fares these days.

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    wog_ta on 14/08/2014 - 08:05

    When the inspectors gang up around you while checking tickets it can be rather confronting, but then again this type of thing had been happening four years. It's only now with camera phones that they are beginning to behave themselves.

    Yes obviously pay your way and you won't have problems but for those that are caught out by the system not working the way it should (touching on yet it not registering) then prepare your self for the heavy handed tactics.

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  Luminary on 13/08/2014 - 15:23

  I heard the barrier machines aren't even going to tell you how much money you have remaining anymore to try an make the lines move faster. Now the lines to those balance checkers will have to increase. =-=" Have they not seen how fast lines move in countries with large population densities like Singapore, HK, Japan or S.Korea. I'm so glad I don't have to take trains anymore.

  http://ptv.vic.gov.au/news-and-events/news/introducing-next-…

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    [Deactivated] on 14/08/2014 - 09:50

    I'm happy with the change I dont particularly like the stranger behind me knowing my card has x value on it.

    It's for my eyes only, particularly if there is a large value on it

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  happy819 on 13/08/2014 - 17:25

  +3

  I disagree with the way State Governments continue to say one thing & do quite the opposite, they continually punish the down & outs of our society & say they it's necessary so that they can manage THE BUDGET, we've all heard this one so many times, it's like a a never ending record (CD,)they just don't get it, the general public stopped believing them a long time ago. If these politicians were really sincere & honest, they would do something about the waste & unnecessary perks the Premier & his henchmen know go on unabated. Having said all this, I was brought up to believe & I still do that HONESTY is the best policy & if ALL public transport users ALWAYS paid every time they used public transport, just maybe the cost of using public transport might come down. Knowing society & Politicians as we all do, sadly I don't see dishonest people & politicians disappearing in my lifetime, so I guess us honest public transport users need to look for any honest way we can to lessen what it costs us to travel on our under resourced public transport system. One day hopefully there might be a courageous politician who will put pressure on his colleagues to come up with a system which is fair to the working, Seniors & the poor, then the system might work better & just maybe the really dishonest fair evaders might get a conscience & start contributing to the cost of running our public transport system & maybe our State Politicians might begin to do the right thing by really making our Public Transport system such that it will attract people back. Sweden prides itself on it's public transport system & has for many decades. I'm led to believe Sweden has very strict road laws & punishment for all violations are harshly treated, but they back it up with a very efficient public transport system. I'm interested to hear what YOU think!!!

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    wog_ta on 14/08/2014 - 08:23

    I guess a lot of this comes down to society and the values that are held by the consensus.

    In an ideal world everyone would pay their way and politicians would govern the land with a sense of integrity with the genuine want to do good by the society as a whole.

    Not sure if bringing in harsher penalties will help, perhaps a type of reward system or tax break for the honest commuters?

    Public transport where it stands is not growing and adapting fast enough to the growth and demands of the population but then again that's a whole nother debate.

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  [Deactivated] on 14/08/2014 - 09:42

  2 Hours exactly is pathetically unfair to travelling public when you consider it is priced exactly 50% of the daily rate.

  Currently discount structures monthly, weekly annual ticket discriminate against flexible lifestyles particularly shift workers and casual workers, often are typically lower income earners.

  I just came from norway and cough 3rd world nation Russia with these observations.
  Russia
  http://engl.mosmetro.ru/pages/page_0.php?id_page=8
  Norway
  http://www.visitoslo.com/en/product/?TLp=182075
  https://ruter.no/en/tickets/pay-as-you-go-credit/

  For starters the entry/single trip ticket equivalents to 2 hour were considerably less than 50% of the full day ticket fare equivalent.

  What Melbourne needs…
  Get rid of compulsory touch off, in zone 1 - enforce ticketing like other nations at start of trip not end.

  Half day tickets at 50% of daily ticket price 7 hours or half day fixed (valid to 2pm, valid to end last service 2am)

  Daily Ticket should be changed to
  (activated before midday - valid til next day 2am)
  or (activated after midday valid - valid til next day 2pm)

  Change monthly (28 day) tickets to "20x Daily Ticket" expiring in 90 days (include free weekend travel). as to allow people that don't use public transport 5 days a week to also get the benefit of lower price per trip that typically limited to wealthier Full Time workforce.
  And encourage people who don't even use public transport often to invest in "20x Daily Ticket" every 90 days for ease of travel on weekends and when required curing week, while boost government steady revenue for investment.

  Russia Norway Both had
  single use and multi use contact less tickets,
  Tickets could purchased on Buses
  Same card can be used by multiple people travelling together, multiple touch ons/passback

  Russia chose a Per trip system
  no Daily, no Monthly, no Weekly options.
  simple trip count, simply purchase trip quantities (eg $1.50 per trip for 40 upfront trips)
  the family can accumulate discounts to one card and share cocurrently
  touch on deducts one trip and valid to change services for 90 minutes (no touch off, no zones)
  once 90 minutes up additional reasonable user pays single trip fee to go home or change service from bus to tram to train
  The value of tickets make car and taxi unthinkable options

  Norway chose a per trip and time period
  Clear compensation payments for services delayed greater than 20 minutes and reimbursements to cover a taxi.
  Ticket options 1 hour (much less than 50% of 24hr) or 24 hour , 7 day, 30 day
  Ticket can be shared by other people for maximum value
  A family discount entitles up to four children under 16 (or four dogs) to accompany you free of charge on any adult ticket on Saturdays, Sundays and public holidays.

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  happy819 on 17/08/2014 - 00:06

  Carib & Wog_ta are really on the ball, work on the positives, reward honest users & above all take into account people who work odd & broken shifts & the genuinely poor people in our society. It's important for all State Governments to be more focussed on the low income earners in our society & maybe just maybe then they will make decisions that truly lesson the burden on the financially underprivileged people. It's long overdue for Governments who say they're working for the good of all its' constituents, when the lower middle class & poor who
  in the main bare the brunt of Budget & other negative changes which affect every ones standard of living. A great many who we would class as poor don't choose to be poor, in many circumstances these people come from an under privileged background & need help - EDUCATION, we can all help if & when we see someone who is floundering, have
  an enjoyable & peaceful week.