Hookers and Beers. an OzBargainer's Dilemma

Final edit

Thank you everyone for being so generous with your advice, views and insider knowledge on love, sex, friendships, women, money, traps and cats. Much appreciated.

I'm broke, there's not one single hooker in sight and I'm having a beer with my mate. Life can't get any better than this. We can close this thread now.

p.s:@GaryQ thanks for the link mate.I might have found a way to earn that $400 back after all ;)


Let's say you have an unlikely friendship with a colleague at work. You are a happily married man and he is …well.. a slu-erm-someone with a very active sex life. You are half-horrified by the things he gets up to over the weekend and half-fascinated.

Out of the blue, he tells you he's getting married to a woman who is stunningly beautiful and rich but quite cold and insipid and may or may not have made a pass at you the first and only time she's met you.

Anyway, you are invited to the official buck's night, which is being organised and paid for by the father of the bride.However there is also an unofficial buck's night and you get an invite. The rules are:
1) You do not talk about the unofficial buck's night
2) you do not talk about the unofficial buck's night
3)tell your SO that you're going away for a 2-day business trip.
4)You're also required to contribute $400 to go towards the night's 'entertainment'.Flights and accommodation are extras, although he has kindly offered to let you stay at his cousin's place.

Your wife is cool with strippers (because she trusts you) but way less cool about one giving you a lap dance.Fair enough.

Unfortunately you find out after agreeing to go and handing over the money,that the step-father of the groom-to-be has 'donated' $8000 so that the strippers can be upgraded to hookers.

So what do you do?

1)Ideologically, you're a feminist and the father of a little girl, so you really don't want to have anything to do with that 'event'. You ask for your money back( $400 can buy you a hell of a lot of stuff on ozbargain) and you don't care that you're going to look like an uncool, fun-hating, tight-assed miser.

2) As a happily married man, who wants to remain a happily married man , hookers are your natural enemies. You keep away from them the way a mice would keep away from a big tomcat. However your mate is not a yet a married man and the women who will be involved in the 'event' will be consensual adults.You can't go but what the heck? You can shout your mate a free hooker for his stag night, can't you?

3)You have full faith in your ability to stay out of trouble while being drunk and with lots of nubile, naked women adept in the art of seduction flocking around you. Technically that shouldn't be hard cos you're madly in love with your wife but there's that saying about how the way to hell …


Edit
TL;DR: This is NOT a moral dilemma. I am not asking if I should have sex with a bunch of hookers. That's not happening.I'm married and I don't pay for sex.
This is an ozbargainer's dilemma. What do I do about the $400? Do I ask for it back? Do I give it to him as a present (we're also giving him and his bride an official wedding present)? Do I go because I've paid for it?


Edit 2

The Wife comes across this thread. She kisses me,says " Go! my faith in you is totally justified" and smiles sweetly at me. She SO TOTALLY reverse psychologying me! …unless she's reverse, reverse psychologying me? o.O so that she can use this 'event'like a sword of Damocles that will hang over my head for the rest of my life! Hard to tell with women. They can be so devious sometimes.

I come out of the shower this morning and who do I find sitting there on my kitchen floor, playing with my kids and having a friendly chat with the Wife? My mate from work! The one who is soon to be getting married to a stunning,insipid, flirty blonde and the reason for my dilemma. He looks like shite: good-looking, expensively dressed, nice-smelling shite, so neither me nor the wife has heart to kick him out.He invites himself for breakfast and later stands by the door with me, cradling my cat, who appears to have taken quite a liking to him, and waves my wife and kids off.

I close the door.He puts the cat down, hands me 8 X $50 notes,laughingly says "I knew you'd chicken out, you wimp." and gives me a friendly tap on the shoulder. He's not wrong.

Anyway, he's currently sleeping in my guest bedroom.I'm quickly packing my stuff to go to work.The Wife will deal with him when she gets home. That sounds bad but in my defence,
i)I did ask the mate if he was under the influence of drugs, alcohol and/or is wanted by the cops and he promised he's not;
ii) and the Mrs has a degree in a pschology and is a social worker. So she's highly qualified to deal with people in emotional distress. I, on the hand, I'm socially inept.

Thanks everyone for your inputs. I'm off to work.

Poll Options

  • 146
    Don't go, ask for your money back.
  • 9
    Don't go, shout your mate a free hooker.
  • 92
    You'll be fine.They cant tempt you : you'll sit in a corner singing "ice ice baby"
  • 7
    Other (honestly can't think of any other options)

closed Comments

    • He's not a bad bloke.He's funny, witty, intelligent,charming …yes, he's also a womanizer and likes sex. Think a younger version of Barney from How I met your mother. The Mrs likes him.she's met him a few times at work-organised events. He cracks her up. He's really good with my kids too and is always on his best behavior around them.

      • well, if that's the case, then the Mrs must really have a lot of faith in your judgement and choices, i'm not trying to generalize too much here but a lot of women have a little part of them that's insecure, and to have someone else hang around that only brings temptation is like an itch you can never scratch! you know, just like the "seven year itch"!

      • +2

        and the cat likes him… usually a good sign (for me anyway)

    • +2

      You make it sound like he has ebola

      I don't understand why people need to be judgemental or control who you can or cant be friends with. On that note, I find the most judgemental people to be Christians, not all but some of the worst! thou shalt not judge ring any bells?

  • +2

    If you got your money back then you are truly an ozbanrginer and a wize man to boot!

    If you didnt and you cant, then write it off; dont go, better to have a great wife and no $400

    He will change his ways if he has an example, a good mate help a guy up, not offer to join him in the mud!

  • +1

    Sounds like youre missing out on the best party ever

  • can you ask your work mate to post some photos?

  • +1

    Haha your wife has a degree in psychology?

    I would not be comfortable marrying someone who would constantly manipulate me using the techniques she's picked up along the way from lectures.

    Kudos to you! If she's good at what she does you'll never know she's manipulating you.

    • +1

      If she's good at what she does you'll never know she's manipulating you.

      Good point… which probably explains waterlogged Turnip's comment

  • +1

    Oh poo I was going to also comment on your friend.

    Your friend sounds like trouble to me (there is nothing wrong with trouble, it can be fun sometimes) but just note if you go into trouble expect to find nothing but trouble in return (obviously).

    Also note, out of sight out of mind, if you don't go there's nothing to regret.

  • +2

    I voted Option One, since you already got the money back, Here are some thoughts…

    a. Get the mrs something nice with that $400.
    b. If Mrs doesn't want/need the gift, save it for this year's OZB expenditure.
    c. Don't regret thinking about Option Three - Remember Married men never regrets :P
    d. Feel free to use this as your "Sword of Damocles" when you need it (Sorry wicket1120)

    Off Topic: Seems like your mate from work needs some pro help… wising him the best.

    • +3

      The Mrs' a pro. She has agreed to 'sort' him out in exchange for the $400.

      Edit: No, she's not a hooker nor a bikie.

  • +2

    Take your wife along with you. Then everyone's happy.

    Nah, just don't go. Go on a date with the wife or something. Good luck to you and your mate.

  • +1

    It's your friends bux party, go along and enjoy the night just don't have sex with a hooker.

    • Then he's paid for something he didn't need or want.

  • He's not too bad if he gave you the $400 back. How did you actually ask?

    • +3

      "umm about your buck's night , the unofficial one…" and I didn't have to complete that sentence. He handed the money over. The original plan was to have a strip show, which is something you might expect when going to a buck's night, but then the sleazy step-father got involved and things got real sleazy, real fast.Not what I signed up for and my mate knows it.

      • +7

        Cool guy

  • +3

    I know your issue is resolved, but I personally wouldn't go. My gf trusts me, and I would go with the best of intentions but after a couple of drinks I'd probably surcumb.

    I've learnt over time that I shouldn't put myself in that sort of position, the risk to my relationship is too great for short term pleasure.

    • -1

      My gf trusts me, and I would go with the best of intentions but after a couple of drinks I'd probably surcumb.

      ummm wut. You probably shouldnt be in a relationship.

      • +10

        I've stated that I actively avoid situations where I can slip, Im being honest with myself. It has nothing to do with my relationship with my girlfriend, just a fondness for blondes with big boobs.

        Otherwise Ive identified this as a weakness, and actively avoid situations where I could cheat. I actually think that shows dedication and care for my relationship.

  • +1

    Sorry, not really helpful, but with that thread name I was expecting about halfway through

    …so now the woman aren't paying any attention…

  • +3

    I don't get the point of these types of parties..What's the point of marriage?

    • +9

      Betting someone half your stuff that you'll love them forever?

  • +8

    "I'm married and I don't pay for sex."

    ROFL! This just made my day! Hilarious! Ah the naivety of young love!

    • +1

      Hehe. Well to play devil's advocate and as you'd well know he meant I don't sleep with hookers.

      I wouldn't sleep with a hooker if I was single and THEY paid me! Uck.

      • +4

        I don't get the hooker thing either. Being desired is a turn on while being with someone you have paid to act like they want to be with you is an insult.

        Disclaimer: I am a woman.

        • +4

          Well even if they actually genuinely do want to be with you and even waived or refunded the fee it's still just a bit odd. It's not love, but that's me - blame my mother if you don't like it. She always said to me 'sex is about love, if there is no love it's not sex'.

          The macho alpha boys will think that's brainwashing, but hey I actually would have come to that value anyways as it's my personality I guess. It's worked, been over 10 years and it's amazing. Once you find the one, it just is right.

          I remember watching a doco on ABC or SBS about people in wheelchairs etc that would save up their money to have an intimate moment with a sex worker. She seemed really genuine and was doing it for the right reasons. So everything has it's place.

          Without going too deep in to it I think most of it is very dark and uneven, just look at the horrible trafficking that goes on around major events, Super Bowl and World Cup, teenagers brought in and European and Asians tricked with bait and switch. Not that it ever started off with a good reputation 600 years ago, but it certainly doesn't have a very good reputation now at all for sure. It's all money and power.

          Anytime I find people talking about paying I just walk away and don't bother with them again, I think those that make it a regular thing are just ghouls that need to grow up and learn basic communication skills etc. sigh /end rant.

        • @adamren:
          we are talking about hookers and you have joined back in the conversation…What happened to walking away?

          Someone physically incapacitated is OK to employ a hooker, but if your physically fine all of a sudden its not? What if they are not emotionally available for a relationship, for whatever reason but have the physical desire and means, its not OK?

        • +1

          @wholesaleturbos: Knew this would happen, it's OK. Do what you want mate.

          Don't take it personally. I'm just a random stranger on the Internet, no reason to have such a reaction, just my opinion.

          There are worse things than being a ghoul. But anyway to answer the question with a question: have you ever seen a man in a motorised wheelchair barely able to talk chat up a woman at a bar? No, it just doesn't happen, they need love too you know, they still have sexual attraction and abilities, and I doubt many women would just willingly sleep with them, even in pity.

        • -1

          @adamren:

          I seen that doco and understand from a handicapped POV.

          But I have had friends who did and it doesn't dictate what type of person they are. It is none of my business what they do with their money, it does not directly effect me, it does not change our friendship.

          You are judging a person on 1 facet, which is legal and between 2 consenting adults. It would be like unfriending someone because they drink VB or drive a prius.

          My 3rd question was the only real question so I will put it another way. What if someone works 16 hour, 7 days, has no time for a GF, he is still human and has needs so is he a "ghoul" for visting a brothel?

          I am neither anti or pro prostitution, you clearly are anti and that's cool. What I am trying to work out is where this fine line of "ghoul" and "its all good" is drawn

        • @wholesaleturbos: I don't see it as analogous to someone drinking VB, not even if I'm anti-alcohol. What's so wrong with driving a Pruis? That doesn't make sense. I don't think real friends unfriend just because they dislike purchase decisions. I wasn't talking about unfriending, but rather casual acquantances, I wouldn't continue to then become friends. It's just one of those marks of character I use to judge good people. I can judge if I want, I've got standards.

          I can't be bothered discussing legalities and consent of prostitutes. It's actually not legal in most places. Why else are 'massage palours' hiding their real work.

          Some may be forced in to it or have a drug habit. Or just desperately need the cash.

          It's not really that fine a line as you think. You're missing the point. I doubt there are many extremely busy let alone fully employed people in motorised wheelchairs that need 24/7 care. If you find one, you might just have a point, but it's a gross exaggeration.

          If you work 7 days or even 21 for 16 hours each day, you're on a minesite. They don't allow hookers there. That's more a family accomdation issue rather than being so busy or lonely.

          They have these things called hands, or rubber masturbators too you know.

          The idea that all men that sleep with hookers are ghouls is not mine. Read it again, I said I find those that do it often and brag about it so openly are just lacking class and probably ghoulish. Wouldn't surprise me what else they do (drugs etc), hence my reason of disassociating from them instantly. If the sound of 40 year old creeps constantly bragging about how they got this or that from whatever for real cheap off the street, doesn't sound ghoulish to you, then maybe them saying 'She was so young she could have been 16' or 'She looked like my daughter' etc would be pretty ghoulish.

          I don't think people in motorised wheelchairs talk like that, let alone even think it. They do it once a year due to their limited funds and it's usually their birthday or something with the same sex worker. There's no comparison to those ghouls. You're making it out to be very similar, it's not.

        • @adamren:

          Anytime I find people talking about paying I just walk away and don't bother with them again,

          That's harsh. Gran used to say that sex is the consolation you have when you can't have love.

  • go, get the experience, and never talk about it. You will regret not going, and you don't have to have sex with hookers. As an aside, I might know a guy, good ozbargainer, who will go on your behalf. What is the bidding up to?

    Carpe Diem dude!

  • How would you feel if the situation was reversed and your wife was to go to a sleazy party with male strippers and hookers? Would you be happy for her to ogle other men's packages? The groom to be sounds like a really gross man.

    • +1

      Im secure enough not to be concerned

      the male hooker is a unicorn outside of gay circles

      • Agree, though use of male gigolos is on the rise with divorcees with high libidos etc. Or just fun single mature women going to Spain, Ibiza etc for holidays.

  • +2

    Post pictures of your wife on Ozbargain so I can make a better decision for you.

  • +1

    I'll give you $400 and go instead. Problem solved.

  • +4

    This thread needs to be closed. JJB has gone AWOL.

  • +4

    Ever thought about being more assertive, mate?
    If it something that you're not comfortable about, say it. If he's a real friend, he'll understand.

    • +7

      yes he could be more assertive sometimes but having a soft heart in a cruel world is a sign of courage, not weakness.

  • Buy $200 worth of popcorn for 200 of us lucky OzBers to watch a live streaming event in 2017 when this insipid rich daddy's girl is screaming at your mate and wants a divorce so she can go marry the one she had an affair with.

    It'll be worth it, much better ratings then Real Housewives of Melbourne.

    OzBargainer's Mate's Wife…coming soon in 2017.

  • +1

    So after an epic post, is the marriage off now? He's at your place getting back on his feet etc.

  • I don't know about this. I don't know whether you guys have been to a strip club and gotten a lap dance lately but let me tell you $400 would have been the best deal I've seen on OzBargain in like forever for the night's entertainment.

    I think you're a shame to all OzBargainers :)

    • +1

      You have no idea how much crap I've bought on here that I didn't need or want, just because someone said it was a bargain. No more! In 2015, I'm going to be a responsible Ozbargainer: only buy stuff that I need or that cost less than what's in my coin jar:)

      • +3

        B-Bu-But, what about the eneloops?

  • +5

    The twist - wife is having an affair with the colleague.



    • +3

      Wife's hot, mate's a womaniser…. Hmmm, I really didn't think that one my through, did I? o.O

  • +1

    Sometimes happiness is not knowing the whole story - from Hector and the Search for Happiness

  • -1

    Just bang those hookers you paid for you half-man feminist prude. You're not exactly banging your wife's sister are you. They're hookers. 90% of their clientele are married men.

    Don't live a dull life just freaking go for it and ignore all these unhappy tightarse Ozbargain white knights.

    • +4

      Just bang those hookers you paid for

      But that's your fantasy Joeno, not mine. I'm not into mindless sex with strangers who have been paid to act like they like me, while a group of men I barely know are cheering me on.I would find that demeaning and if that makes me a "half-man feminist prude", so be it.

      Do I think people who are into those kind of things are pigs? Nope. I get that different people get turned on by different things and as long as its between consensual adults, I have no problem with it.

    • +1

      @joeno

      Can't tell if joking… or world's worst husband.

  • +3

    Suppose when you masturbate you are cheating on your wife with your hand? Fark off… sometimes a guy needs the cat.

    • -1

      So you're the male version of the crazy cat lady… Mate, we don't need to know what you do with your cats…

    • Hey, don't knock masturbation,ok? It's sex with someone I love* :b

      *that's a movie reference btw

  • This thread is a pissa

  • go to the party and stick it in her bum, come back and don't talk about it ever again

    • +3

      Are you Greek?

    • Again, not my thing but if you find a consensual adult who is willing to let you do that to them , then , why not.

      • They've been upgraded to hookers, i think this is what they do..

    • +4
      • That's so wrong…but funny.

  • +1

    So he is going to cheat on his new wife?

  • +3

    The real ozbargain dilemma is 'why do you have a S.O.'
    If 'marriage' could be listed as an ozbargain deal - it'd have about 2k negs

    joking of course, i have wife and child
    the wife hates me buying stuff I see on ozbargain but don;t need
    but I say to her - hey u buy even more stuff you don't really need, and you dont even use ozbargain!

    • +1

      I was waiting for the "hey u buy even more stuff to look pretty and young, and look how that's turned out!" :)

  • +3

    Yes the OP has gotten his money back, but I just like to comment on the wife's actions.

    When the OP's wife "is cool with strippers (because she trusts you) but way less cool about one giving you a lap dance", that tells me that she's OK with you going BUT only a "see no touch". MORE importantly she trusts you to behave not just at the buck's party, but also throughout the entire time you'd be away. She trusts you would not engage in paid sex (no matter who pays) nor free sex such as one night stands, pickups, an ex who lives nearby, etc.

    So a trusting wife, with kids, and still getting it from wife - I say you've found a keeper.

  • Your mate sounds like he has a coke / alcohol problem and most likely suffers from underlying depression. Trouble with a capital T. Just sayin.

  • I give his marriage 6 months tops. That's if it happens at all.

  • I'll go in your place, problem solved.

  • +3

    Given the tone of the original post, I'm assuming Jar is reasonably young. Considering this, I've made the assumption his wife is reasonably young too. Having made both of these assumption I then assume young married couples have a reasonably good sex life anyway. So why would one need to even consider a Hooker adventure? I have a warehouse in an area where hookers solicit on the street daily (Grand Junction Road, Wingfield for any SA folk out there)… and I often think to myself, the guys who pick up these woman, must be old, single, lonely or have cranky wifes who just don't put out. If you've got a young wife, house, daughter, job - Hooker just seems to be the odd word out… Perhaps I'm unusual but the whole adventure doesn't even sound that cool to me…..I'm the guy in the office that asks "what games" came with the PS4 BTW so perhaps I'm leader of the lame club.

    • Difference betwen an escort and a street walker though.

  • I've never understood the attraction of going to strip clubs/seeing strippers with a bunch of other men.

    So there's a semi-naked woman/s in front of you, which is all well and good, and bunch of disgusting, visibly-sweaty faced, odour-ridden cheesepuffs on either side of you (and trust me, there is no context where men and strippers mix and the men involved are not intoxicated to the point of perspiring alcohol), whom you frequently make eye contact with as you all oggle stripers, whilst trying to stifle your normal sexual responses, in the presence of stimulating acts.

    If that is not the definition of closeted homoeroticism, I don't know what qualifies.

    What is the etiquette in these situations?

    "Hey I'm hard! Are you hard?"
    "Yeah I'm hard!"
    "Woo, we're straight as fck!"
    "Ha, Tim's not even hard, I just checked. What a queer, ha."

    • +12

      You haven't been to many strip clubs have you? Guys don't go to a strip club to talk about how hard each other are…

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