Sharp Ion Generator IGBC2JB $99 + Shipping @ Sharp Online

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BTB on 07/04/2015 - 21:42 sharp.net.au (482 clicks)
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In-Car Ion Generator with Plasmacluster
Uses Sharps Plasmacluster Ion Technology to reduce unpleasant lingering odours in your car, eg smoke and pet odours

PlasmaCluster Ion Technology
Plasmacluster Ion technology releases both positive and negative ions into the air. The cluster ions diffuse throughout the car, surrounding airborne allergens, turning them into harmless substances like water. The benefits of using the IGBC2JB in your car are eliminating unpleasant lingering odours like cigarette smoke, pet odours, removes musty car smells and airbourne viruses.
Plasmacluster ions are released at a 20 degree upwards angle and are carried along the ceiling of the car to every part of the interior by the Coanda effect. (Coanda effect: when a jet of air or water is discharged, it tends to travel along a nearby curved surface for a considerable distance, even to the point of bending around corners)

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  jv on 07/04/2015 - 21:50

  Sharp Ion Generator IGBC2JB $99

  How much does it normally cost ?

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    jv on 07/04/2015 - 21:53

    Never mind, looks like it's normally $105… Save $6

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  kronicmacstigator on 07/04/2015 - 22:01

  Seen cheaper for same thing elsewhere, not a fan because these might generate ozone

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    chyawala on 08/04/2015 - 12:53

    It would have a fan in it…

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  locutus_of_bris on 07/04/2015 - 22:59

  Exactly how does it turn allergens into water, or something similar? Science me please.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_purifier would suggest this isn't happening.

  I smell technobabble, and a hint of ozone, but I don't smell purified air or many / any of the above claims.

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    BTB on 07/04/2015 - 23:35

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    http://www.allergy.com.sg/aircareFAQ.html

    Plasma cluster technology involves the generation of positive H+and negative O2- ions (also called superoxides) alternatively. These ion clusters are blown into the air and they diffuse to various parts of the room.

    These ion clusters are attracted to airborne particulates (actually any matter), and collide with the particulates and also to one another. The collision of 2H+ and O2- creates very reactive OH radicals, otherwise known as hydroxyl radicals. Hydrogen peroxide (H202) may also be formed, but these will also finally turn into OH radicals.

    These OH hydroxyl radicals are very unstable, and each OH group will extract one hydrogen (H) atom from anything it comes into contact with, forming water (H20). Extracting one hydrogen atom from a single-celled organism like bacteria will kill it. That is what makes plasma cluster technology so effective at killing single-celled organisms.

    Fortunately, humans are not single-celled organisms. Our lungs, though extremely sensitive, are not made of single cells, and we will not die when exposed to OH radicals. However, the unstable OH radicals have been linked to diseases in humans including cancer

    Smoking is linked to lung cancer, but it took several decades before firm action was taken, and even today it is not banned - it is just mostly controlled to protect non-smokers from secondary smoke. Partly because smoking does not guarantee lung cancer

    Similarly, exposure to OH radicals does not necessarily guarantee cell mutation, cancer and other age-related diseases

    So according to the website True HEPA is safest. But True HEPA filters have different grades, how can we choose the right filter?

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      locutus_of_bris on 08/04/2015 - 17:08

      I would much prefer links to papers from impartial studies that have been published.

      Quoting from a website selling air purifiers is at the opposite end of the trust spectrum.

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        BTB on 08/04/2015 - 21:37

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        http://www.sharp-pci.com/en/technology/
        http://www.jpo.go.jp/shoukai_e/soshiki_e/pdf/relay/2_03.pdf

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        locutus_of_bris on 09/04/2015 - 00:32

        @BTB:

        From your first link, this rang alarm bells (and again this is a manufacturer, not a scientific paper)

        "The actual antibacterial and purification effects vary depending on the conditions in the room and how the product is used."

        Link #2 - they have a patent. That in no way proves this actually works as per the sales pitch.

        From this I take it there is no published and impartial research done on these products that you can provide.

        No bargain.

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        BTB on 09/04/2015 - 00:48

        @locutus_of_bris: http://phys.org/wire-news/172484330/plasmacluster-ion-techno…
        http://thisisflash.com/sharp-air-purifier-review-plasmaclust…

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        locutus_of_bris on 09/04/2015 - 12:36

        @BTB:

        Still not peer reviewed so this has little to no value. It even states that results were "Provided by Sharp".

        And your second link states that "there is no scientific peer review"

        Yes, there are results from experiments, but without peer review the likelihood that the results are of any significance is not high.

        So it remains, this product might do something, and it might not, and there is no peer reviewed proof either way. No bargain.

        This will also be my last reply - enough is enough.

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    [Deactivated] on 07/04/2015 - 23:43

    As I understand it, which might even be right, millions of Ions (charged constituent parts of atoms, I think they're simply electons?) are emmited (along with some badass ozone gas I recall as part of this crude process) into the air which attach themselves to anything in the air by charge attraction. This makes the heavier newly combined particle drop like sacks resting on floor or bottom edge of walls.
    The problem is they're quite useless in reality, as they dont alter the airborne nasties (dust, microbes etc) in any way, so as soon as any air movement occurs the now electrically neutered dust flies back into the air again for you to breath in, albeit later. A good hepa vacuum might help if it didn't send it all into the air before reaching where it fell.
    In a car I doubt you'ld achieve anything.
    If you spray woolies disinfectant (same idea as glen20/oust) in a car or house for 24+hours when vacated, perhaps once a month, you'll be quite effective in killing a lot of airborn microbes we breathe all he time.
    My belief: Using ion generators = 0. Selling them = 1.
    Also car and home ion generators are about a dollar on ebay or dhgate/aliexpress from memory, due to the simple tehnology involved.
    But then what do I know.

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      BTB on 07/04/2015 - 23:53

      How about the Sharp Air Purifier?
      http://www.sharp.net.au/product-catalogue/products/KCA50JW/

      It combines Plasma Ion and HEPA filter to purify the air. Is it good and safe to use?
      I saw Japanese people use it almost every where in office, at home.

      I intend to buy an Air Purifier but don't know which one is good to buy?

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        kingdoofus on 08/04/2015 - 00:08

        +1

        I think most of the sharp models have a mode that uses the hepa filter only. This is the mode I use with mine as I'm worried about ozone.

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        BTB on 08/04/2015 - 00:22

        @kingdoofus: Well, All of them have PlasmaCluster Ion but the good thing is they have Plasma ON/OFF button so you can disable it at anytime

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  argonbay on 07/04/2015 - 23:22

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  Do they have any flux capacitors?

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  Steptoe on 08/04/2015 - 05:38

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  Came looking for a Plasma Cutter. Left disappointed.

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  justtoreply on 08/04/2015 - 10:45

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  Ion generator with plasmacluster technology. Thats such a gay sounding effort at marketing.

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  skyva on 08/04/2015 - 11:54

  I had a negative ion generator ages ago in my bedroom. All it had was a number of metal spike in a housing, with several thousand volts of potential on the spikes.
  It generated an ionic wind which caused airflow. The walls and floor around the device were blackened by the dust that fell as it was charged and attracted to neutral surfaces.

  True HEPA filters may work better, however at work once we tried several types of vacuum HEPA filter to see if they actually did what they claimed. They universally did not. I worked at a place that measured dust quantity and size so finding a good cheap "HEPA" filter was important, as we were paying lots for commercial product.

  You may be able to buy proper HEPA filters commercially, but the most dangerous particles are often the smallest, which are the hardest to filter, but perhaps easiest to remove using ions (that is a charge can more easily move a small particle than a larger one).

  I don't think it is junk science, but I am not sure of its ultimate effectiveness. A combination product would probably be best.

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  boccos on 08/04/2015 - 22:16

  For two years I have owned a combination air purifier/ ion generator and soon found if the ion generator was left on overnight I was getting a sore throat. Tried it several times with the same result. Stopping the ion generator stopped the sore throats. So now I just use it as a purifier.