This is a deal for flashaholics or anyone who wants a really bright light. It uses 9 Cree XM-L LEDs and 4 18650 batteries. It's more flood than throw, and is about the size of a Coke can.This price cut was enough to make you jump!
The best price is $36.14 with free shipping for one week .Also you will to get better after-sales service from tmart.com
Chinese Lumens = Chumens?
(good queston BTW!)
Chinese Lumens = Chumens
haha, i would like to see this officially adopter by asian sellers. they could also begin using "cah" for battery capacity (Chinese Amp Hours)
going by all the comments, there is no way this is even 11000 lumens let alone the 15000 rep originally claimed. it would almost be impossible even in the best circumstances.
as said below
"Most" Chinese torches have the light output overstated by 50 to 300%, since they base it on 'theoretical' max output of each emitter, which is never achieved in the torch in reality.
and i dont buy the line "but this is what the manufacturer tell us"…. if you know your dealing with dodgy lying manufacturers then you should test them yourself before you claim something as "fact" or simply dont claim it at all…
funny . i said 11000lumens. have you buy one ? have you test it ?
please give me a reason why you give a bad comment , why you donot like it ? please change it .
i have asked, 11000 lumens
so its not 15000 lumens as advertised?
that manufacturer told us.
@Leftdrop: what amps is the driver pushing? this would be 2-3000lm max, heat output if that was truely 11000lm would melt the leds in no time
@krisspy: Without considering heat, you could get a max of about 9000lm by my calculations. But that would require switching the thing off every 5-10 mins.
If they really are Cree XM-L, with 9 you'd get a max of about 9000 lumens. See max drive current 3A and about 1000 lumens at 3A for higher-binned chips.
I'd also be concerned about the heat output - driving 9 LEDs at 3A will put out over 80 watts of heat! It's a 350g torch, so farily beefy, but that's still a heck of a lot of heat to dissipate. They say to cool for 2-3 mins every 30 mins, my guess is you'd have to cool at least 3 mins per 10 mins - from experience with a 9W/1000lm 110g torch. Unless they limit max current to something lower, e.g. 1.5A per LED…
Still damn bright. Just not quite what they claim.
Also, if you get this torch make sure you get good (& genuine) 18650 cells, e.g. Panasonic NCR18650s from Fasttech or other trusted supplier. Same goes for the charger, get something good like Nitecore or Soshine. Make sure they're protected cells (especially with 4 in one torch). The cheap ****fire cells off eBay are potentially dangerous.
Are these XM-L original LEDs or newer XM-L 2?
9x CREE XM-L T6
Thanks rep. Not a bad deal but this link is worth reading for anyone considering buying:
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?361433-wh…
I own the new version of the torch with 4x XM-L 2 emitters and couldn't be happier.
NO way that this is actually 15000 Lumens, don't be fooled by big numbers when it comes to torches!
11000 lumens.
Even 11000 Lumens, thats just under the amount of Lumens that aftermarket driving lights put out… I'm a rep for a company that specialises in torches, spotlights and driving lights. Currently the average Lumen output for torches today is around 1200. I'm not trying to advertise anyother product or try to take business away from you, just trying to help other people from buying something that may be listed as incorrect
Currently the average Lumen output for torches today is around 1200
The average of what sort of torches ?
It's like saying "the average fuel economy of vehicles these days is 23l/100km" (because 'vehicles' includes B-doubles). It means nothing. I've got torches that claim more and less lumens, the average of all my torches is probably 300, doesn't mean I don't have one putting out 1200 lumens.
"Most" Chinese torches have the light output overstated by 50 to 300%, since they base it on 'theoretical' max output of each emitter, which is never achieved in the torch in reality.
@effgee: You are correct I was quite vague in my explanation. We deal with torches that are primarily built for the hunting industry so that is where I got the average from. I'm not going to mention the name of the business because I do not wish to drag other products into this. Now the brightest torch that we sell is about 4800 Lumen, but our most popular torch is 1200 Lumen and our competitors also sell torches around that average. So when I said 1200 Lumen is the average for torches today, what I meant was that the torches we deal with don't exaggerate when it comes to lumens. If the torch states that it is 1200 Lumen it means that it is 1200 Lumen no more no less. I didn't mean to cause confusion. We also sell torches for camping and just general night use and they also average around 1200 Lumen. Again this is why I mentioned the average.
Edit: I should mention that for general use this would be fine, my point for posting was to make sure people understood that just because there is a big number doesn't mean it is good. And that's not a crack at anyone, it's just something that often has to be explained to some consumers because we see a big number and assume its better.
no problem, I appreciate your neutrality.
Out of interest, how do you measure/verify the light output of the torches you sell ? Lack of accessible instrumentation is a big reason why so may outrageous claims can be made by torch vendors. At least with batteries it's easy enough to verify actual capacity (which can be <20% of what is claimed on many cheap 18650's)
Also, although the claimed lumens is clearly overstated here, it would likely be way too bright for "general use". Even cheap torches with a couple of XM-L's will light up a whole backyard easily, unless they have some fundamental flaw.
Is there a reason why after commenting twice 11000 Lumens you have not changed the post title? Very misleading. Especially given members here believe that true output is some 1/3 of that further….
that the buyers can also check the comments
I got one from ebay, advertised as 9500 lumens, when I compare output with my Fenix TK75, the Fenix is brighter, Fenix have 2600 lumens if not wrong, so the 9500 advertised lumens is closer to 1800-2000 lumens my guess. This one maybe slightly higher than 2000 lumens.
donot use that one compare with this one .
So, do you still claim that actual output is 11000 real lumens?
What should we use to compare it with? Nothing? Just take it on its merits?
The price itself is cheap even for 2000 lumens, but I will be very pissed if OP insist it is real 11000 lumens because I have bought a lot of torches and I can compare easily which one is brighter among my collections.
@stargalaxy: Sorry my reply was meant to be directed at OP, not you.
I agree, 11,000 is a vast overstatement with no evidence to back it up irrespective of price.
yes . of course . sure .
I love cheap Chinese shit as much as the next person, yet @Leftdrop it would be great for sellers to substantiate the advertised claims, rather than simply blame their resellers/manufacturers.
Get a light globe and actually test the lumen's.
Test the capacity of batteries.
doing this will demonstrate your sincerity and create a positive reputation.
Ball is in your court now.
just wanted to leave this here… http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/201367726843 see what you guys think as Photophiles. Thoughts etc :)
If you're going to spend the money, get something with XM-L2 as per my above post.
Rep, can you ask the manufacturer on what the max Amp the driver of this 9 XM-L torch can produce?
Good question. A simple current measurement at the back of the torch will put paid to most crazy lumen claims.
Leftdrop ?
Well thanks to OZBARGAIN I now own
Nightcore EA4 860 Lumen
Nightcore EA41 960 Lumen
Sunwayman D40A 980 Lumen and I reckon 11,000 Lumen would burn the trees down
which one is best
why all 4xAA format ? I've got a strong bias towards 18650's for high current draw. How do you find the AA's perform ? Any lithium-powered torches to compare ?
I use AA because of all the Eneloops I have bought because of OZ Bargain. I have a couple of Rechargeable ones with 18650's but they are elcheapo batteries and go flat when I am not looking
Depends on what deal you get but I prefer the EA41
15000 LUMENS?
is that true lumens or chinese lumens?