3W LED bulb E27, white colour/warm white colour, 85-265V
This bulb is less than $1. A good bargain for you.
Mod WARNING: This item does not carry the required Electrical Safety Certifications for Sale or Supply (and/or installation) in Australia. It may be dangerous to use this device.
If you want to electrocute yourself or burn your house down….
Again, do some research jv.
As answered in other similar deals, Yes & Yes.
Are these safe to use? That's a different question.
I was asking the Rep, not you.
Can't find any details about their legality and A-Tick in the link they provided.
Touchy! As it was an open question, it is directed to all reading the deal.
If your question is directed to the Rep, then PM them or indicate who the the question is directed to.
As the question is about Australian & State legislation, which is legally of no concern to an overseas merchant, I think you are directing your question to the wrong person jv.
Legality of importation & use is solely the responsibility of the purchaser. It has been discussed before.
As is often the case, you're asking the same old wrong questions.
jv, there are no Electricity Police enforcing light bulb standards in private homes as your question would suggest. But it would likely be illegal for a local merchant to sell (but not to advertise) bulbs not meeting Australian standards. Only a court could decide that. As for enforcing Australian legislation on a merchant in another country, lol. My dealings within China showed Chinese law was hard enough to enforce.
OzBargainers were asked if they wanted this type of deal removed, but continuing to list this type of deal won out.
This is a case of buyer beware. I am unlikely to buy this bulb, but I have safely used similar imported LED bulbs for years :-)
Legality of importation & use is solely the responsibility of the purchaser.
What about advertising it in Australia, does it comply with an A-Tick ?
@jv:
Illegal, and policed are different things. It is illegal, and would be acted on when it naturally comes to light. ie: your house burns down and insurances refuses your claim.
Telstra has been able to prosecute people who use non Telstra approved landline phones for ever.
@Tuba:
You don't seem to understand the difference between the law & penalties or lowered payouts applied under contract agreements.
There's a big difference between popular belief (generated online or through tabloid & current affairs beatups) & legal realities.
I am sometimes told something is illegal. When I point out there is no law being broken, I am usually told "Well there should be" ;-)
Contributing to a house fire by installing bulbs that do not meet Australian standards (if that could even be proven to be the cause) is possibly a mitigating circumstance in the size of an insurance company's payout, but is not likely to be illegal. (But these are State electrical laws & differ by jurisdiction.) Similarly if I leave my home unlocked & my belongings are taken, the insurance may not pay out if that can be proven - under my insurance contact with them. Leaving my door unlocked is negligent but not illegal, as far as I know.
The Telstra situation is totally different. Telstra can likely impose penalties under contract agreements, rather than through any Australian law.
"It is illegal"
Can you point to any prosecutions of people simply fitting this type of bulb in their homes, under electrical legislation? (Even after a fire?) Or for using a non-Telstra approved phone?
Where are these laws you claim exist?
Also where are all these house fires caused by bulbs like these that people say are happening? (I don't doubt there are some. I've seen the photos of shoddy design or manufacture, corn-cob style bulbs with live electrical connections, and discussions in a trade magazine.)
And just because an appliance meets Australian standards that does not mean there will be no fire or electrocution risk. There are always risks*.
*To lower risks, I limit the use of (higher wattage & lacking any exposed metal fittings except in the socket) bulbs like this to well ventilated plug in reading lights. That limits use to when someone is close by… just in case ;-)
@Infidel:
You seem confused about law, and crime. I never said it was criminal. And you cant be sued for doing legal things, that you have the right to do in a manner that is reasonable. So in essence, you have to have broken a law in order to be sued, even if that law is negligence. This is often not a crime.
To use items on the Australian network, telephone or electrical, it must have the tick of approval. Its what our standards are about. You dont own the wires to your house or the transformers etc.
If another person is killed or injured as a result of your choice of unauthorised bulb (assuming that could happen), youre liable in a civil suit. You wouldnt be if the bulb was one with the right approvals for use. You wont be liable if youve taken all reasonable steps to prevent injury by using a Philips or any other bulb that has been given the standards tick. If youve bargain basement, purchased an item that has no tick, or a fake tick, youre open to suit.
If it was reasonable and affordable to police imports of any kind, or installation of light bulbs, they would be enforcing it. As is, its impossible or at least ludicrous to actively police it. I mean they cant stop drugs and guns, let alone a dud bulb. But when things go wrong, they will make that lack of tick, that lack of adherence to standards, an issue.
Its not easy to get crap because its not illegal, its easy because its impossible to police. Police as a verb, not a noun.
And not a bulb. but there was that lady who was killed by a USB lead from a laptop that had its high voltage circuit too close to its low voltage circuit and high voltage jumped and killed her.
Its not about a mass of fires, we are far more proactive in our regulations than that. We like there to be close to no chance.
@Tuba:
You claimed "It is illegal" - forbidden by law or statute (to fit a non-approved light bulb). That is before any potential negligence in your example would be known.
Claiming the installation of the bulb in itself is illegal, is not correct.
That's why I asked for the legislation governing the fitting of a light bulb into a light fitting, with respect to meeting Australian standards.
The example of the USB charger is totally different to this deal. The supplier was Australian based, selling an apparently non certified device. My understanding is it was the legality of sale by the merchant which was governed by legislation. The issue was brought to light by the tragedy. But the sale was likely illegal.
The maximum penalty for selling, importing, hiring or exchanging ‘declared articles’ without ‘electrical safety approval marks’ and an Australian Certificate of Approval is $82,500 and/or 2 years jail for individuals or $825,000 for corporations.
And a civil case would be possible. No where was the legality of the user to plug the device in questioned to my knowledge. That is what is relevant here.
Anyone can potentially be sued for their negligent actions, after causing injury or loss.
Better not drop a banana skin ;-)
@Infidel:
It wont be legislation, it will be caselaw. As in common law. The case law probably wont involve a light bulb, but some other instance of not meeting the standards required. Thats how case law works, does not need to be a bulb. IN fact, it doesnt need to exist yet, it can be made, thats also how case law works, in fact, its how the the whole body of case law came into being.
It is illegal, it is actionable if things go wrong. Illegal does not mean forbidden by statute. It means, contrary to the law. I doubt anyone here is arguing youre going to pulled over in your house by cops for bulb inspections, except maybe you.
I can lead you to water, but I cant stop you pissing in it while you drink.
@Tuba:
I agree with some of what you say (case law etc), but how can the inserting of a light bulb into a light fitting (or similar case) in itself be illegal as you claim? It may of course lead to later consequences if something dire happens.
?? I was arguing that there aren't enforcenent of standards in people's homes, not to expect imspections!
@Infidel:
That was never the point. Its been explained, you have the information, its now up to you to quiet your silliness and allow it to sink in. Im not going to argue in a circle with you.
Hi,
I don't know if they are legal to import, but we can ship to your country. It can be used in Australia.
Does it have an A-Tick ?
I am sure they could print up some stickers with the logo of whatever standard you like and stick 'em on the box ;)
NO, it doesn't have an A-Tick.
The relevant (State based) regulations govern the requirement for certification of electrical devices (for businesses importing & selling)…
eg NSW requires no certification of bulbs like these. But, If you sell, import, hire or exchange electrical goods that are not ‘declared articles’, you must still ensure they are safe and comply with any relevant Australian Electrical Safety Standards.
But mains USB chargers for instance require certification as a 'declared article’. For those…
The maximum penalty for selling, importing, hiring or exchanging ‘declared articles’ without ‘electrical safety approval marks’ and an Australian Certificate of Approval is $82,500 and/or 2 years jail for individuals or $825,000 for corporations.
..using ozbargn as a dumping ground with dull crap that competes with a candle. I hope (May) the spam police arrest you. :/
Hi,
Sorry that i didn't mean to offend you, but I think what you said is like presumption of guilt.
I find you not more guilty than of offering what you did, but you should be more mindful toward the spam police than me.
*had no issues with Cree bulbs that were efficient, bright, reliable and caused no radio interferences.
This is about half the price of eBay from my quick search and as for Safety concerns isn't that up to the individual buying it? Or should we all be told what to do? Hands off the chainsaw reggie… put it down slowly..
Are they legal to import and use?