First car for 19 yo

Some of you might have come across this thread https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/166717 where I discussed what to get for my son on his 18th birthday.
I'm glad I chose a good Leathermann - he always keeps it at his bedside and used occasionally. He also liked the Orient watch but has stopped using it for some time after the "leather band" became so stinky and worn out. I will have to look for a really good metal band replacement - he likes mesh band.
Now he is about to get his P and we are researching on what car to buy. The budget will be within 20K. Can be new or used but should still be under warranty and less than 20,000km. It also must have reverse camera and GPS navigation.
I have looked at Suzuki Swift, Corolla, Yaris, Hyundai i20, Mini but more suggestion would be great.

Update:
It took me so much time to go through the list. It is getting even more confused now to decide.
I also looked at Toyota Prius, 86, Peugeot 208, Hyundai i30, Ford Fiesta, Focus, Mazda 2, 3, VW Golf, Nissan Pulsar, Mitsushitty Mirages, Honda Jazz, Civic, Kia Rio

But let's clear something up: I asked opinion about cars so stop lecturing me about how to raise my son and how much to spend on his car. I said budget is 20K, doesn't mean at 20K but means "within 20K"

The revised criteria will be less than 50,000KM (so not necessarily under warranty) but ANCAP must be 5 star and must have stability control (ABS is almost standard for a long time I think).

I made that a top priority after reading this most stupid comment
"Perhaps they should make sure the kid can drive and drive defensively instead of relying on more "cotton wool" to protect them from the real world"

And some comments I very much agree with
"Something that has stuck with me from the time I did a defensive driving course recently (which I also recommend getting for your son) is when the instructor pointed out the irony of the most inexperienced driver in the family, and arguably someone more important to the parents than themselves driving around in the least safe car (i.e. The shit box a lot of people buy for new drivers in the family)"

"This doesn't have to mean buying a brand new car but it does make me realise that you should spend a decent amount to ensure the major safety features are included in your purchase"

I am also surprised to find on Carsales that a 4-5 year old Merc series A or B at about 50,000km is about 12 to 14K only. That can be a good choice too.

So on with more research. My son still have 18 hrs more to complete before taking the P test.

Comments

  • +3

    What sort of car does your son want?

    • +18

      Probably a WRX?

      • +3

        i20 would be the better choice, that's unless he wants a S15.

        • Definitely an S15 ;)

        • @pitoui:

          x2

        • +5

          Get the S15 for him and weld the rear diff to make it safer

        • @cvas: lockers = fun :D and possibly death! lol

        • @aussieprepper: who can afford lockers at 17?

        • @cvas: DIY this is ozbargain lol

        • @cvas: Yeah nah let's not tell OP to waste money on a thrashed Japanese "performance" car for a kid who just got his Ps; we don't want to enforce the stereotype. Get him a good smalliash car like a Corolla or Mazda3, once he's on his full license he can upgrade to whatever he wants.

        • @yuuki: yea OP may find a good example of the AE86 within his budget, or he can settle for the ADM version with the 4AC ;)

  • +4

    He prefers a small car - easier to park.

    • I do think the I20 is good. Cheap, reliable (get the later model from 2012 or so) and plenty of warranty.

      • +2

        My i30 diesel is crazy good on fuel - about 900km per tank on average. You can pick them up nice and cheap with 3 years factory warranty still remaining. Add a reversing camera and decent GPS headunit for ~$700 fitted and Roberto's your uncle!

        Here's one for about $15K - http://bit.ly/1Mu4bsz

        • Who is roberto?

        • +6

          @gamechanger:

          Bob's cousin who drives a Hyundai :)

  • +58

    20k on a first car? Nothing wrong with getting a 5-10k good quality used car for a novice driver. Also I wouldn't rely on a reverse camera too much, but it is a good thing to have and they can be fitted to any car. Damage to a new car with a novice driver is inevitable. Buy a cheap car and upgrade in a few years after he has a few years experience.

    • +2

      I agree with the reasoning behind this, however I also strongly advocate spending a little extra money if necessary to ensure they have a SAFE car. My first car was a Silvia, which was basically the most unsafe car I could buy with my money (low slung sports car, no airbags, no ABS, no traction control, terrible crash protection). But after I witnessed the amount of damage to a person that can be caused in even a low speed crash in a similar car (300ZX), and also surviving a 100km/h impact (in a Subaru Liberty, thankfully), I realised just how lucky I was that I didn't have any serious incidents in that Silvia. ANY money you spend on safety (especially for a first car where incidents are inevitable) is never money wasted on your loved ones.

      • A 5-10k japanese car is just as safe nowadays

        Most have those features you said.

        A novice driver should not be given such a big budget for a car.

        A safe driver is even more important factor than the car.

        • No matter how safe a driver your child is, there are always others out there on the road that can potentially put your children's lives at risk with their recklessness.

          Pretty cliche advice, but http://www.howsafeisyourcar.com.au/ is a fantastic resource

        • @nytrojen:

          yes, but a 20k car is not gonna make much difference from a 5-10k japanese car

          they are quite reliable and safe.

          Cars that are sold in australia have to pass australian safety standard.

          If you think a 20k will protect you in a crash better, then I think you are deluded.

          ==

        • @tyler.durden:

          You missed my point entirely. And in fact a 20k car DID protect me better in a crash than a 5-10k Japanese car. Case in point: my old Nissan Silvia was $7k and had a safety rating of 1 star. My Subaru that I bought after it was $20k with a 5 star safety rating. I survived a 100km/h crash in the Subaru because it was a SAFER car than the Nissan.

          Go to the website I just posted and do some research

        • +1

          @nytrojen:

          no thanks

          it's a load of crap.

          by your logic, and ferrari/porche would be safest then since they are much more expensive

          ===

          a crash is quite complex, and there are other factors not just how expensive your car cost.

        • @nytrojen: the primary reason is you picked a sports car instead of a more normal car. Emphasis on sports. But they would be a bit safer due to changing standards, they change every couple of years afaik. Either way it would be pretty safe to just buy a cheap safe car, there are plenty

        • -1

          @tyler.durden: I said to spend money on safety. A $20k Subaru is safer than a $7k Nissan Silvia - what part of that didn't make sense? Buying a ferrari/porsche is putting money into performance/prestige/snob factor, not safety.

        • @Jackson: Absolutely. My point was simply for them to ensure that they bought a safe car, even if it meant having to spend a little more money. And yeah… don't do what i did and buy a sports car at the cost of safety

  • +10

    I'd put a Corolla ahead of a Yaris - much more comfortable, it handles better and he's less likely to feel like he's outgrown it in a half a year. But I'd agree with Nubzy - I'd balk at spending more than 6 to 8 grand on a first car for a teenager. It'll get mistreated anyway, and the insurance will be a killer. Find a car that suits in that price bracket that's good to drive and then spend a couple grand on a good car stereo with GPS and reverse camera. Then you'll still have ten grand left over.

    • +10

      +1 Used Corolla

      You can thrash it, handle it like a total piece of trash, scrape it, crash it and most of the time it will still run provided you give it regular maintenance like oil changes.

      Added plus is the fact that used parts can be easily sourced from car yards.

      • +1 for Corolla.
        I own Corolla for 15 years now, and haven't had any major issue at all.
        Very reliable car, the biggest issue I ever had was leaking welch plug.

      • This a million times!!! You can pick up headlights/bumpers/doors from any pick-a-part lots if your child smashes up the car in the parking lot within the first 48 hours of ownership.

        • And buy a reliable one for under $3k… lol. Seen them online from $300, no kidding.

  • +5

    Adding a GPS (dedicated unit or phone/tablet) to a car is a cheaper, more readily upgradable/flexible option. People are forever complaining about maps being out of date or the cost of updates for in car units from what I see. Also teach them how to use a street directory (regardless) and to never rely on a reversing camera. Tech is an addition not a replacement for basic driving/navigation skills.

    A new Hyundai i20, Kia Rio (great warranty) or Suzuki Swift are a good size for a beginner in the price bracket (even if you want/need to add on a GPS or camera). Many drivers (even with years behind them) have poor spatial/size awareness (and don't even recognise the issue) so a smaller car gives them a bit more room for error meaning beginners are less like to back into other cars in the supermarket car park ;-)

    • +3

      +1 on this. Either get a dedicated GPS unit he can put on the dash, preferably one with lifetime maps, or get something for his smart phone. Certainly parking sensors and the camera may help. Send him to some defensive driving classes so he can react in an emergency.

  • +10

    It also must have reverse camera and GPS navigation.

    I wouldn't say a reverse camera is essential, sensors would be enough and would teach him to be a bit more aware of his surroundings.

    I'd say Swift, but I'm biased :P Manual Swift GL Navigator is around $16,690 drive away, has alloys and the touch-screen Garmin GPS, so really all he needs. Add reverse sensors, and maybe get it in black ($475 extra)… he is an 18yo guy after all.

    Should be more than enough!

    • +7

      I wouldn't say a reverse camera is essential

      Maybe I am just speaking for myself. Once I drive one with a reverse camera, I am no longer confident parking in one without. Maybe not essential, but bloody useful for parking in tight spots.

      • +14

        Yeah you sorta ended up proving my point lol don't get me wrong I love the cameras but it makes you forget how to park!

      • +1

        I felt that way about parking sensors. They're not necessary but so useful.

    • My accord is one of the longest cars on the road and i'd almost sell my soul for a reverse camera. Its easily the hardest part of driving when trying to parallel park because i just cant see how much room ive got. Ive had to drive out of spots and leave them cos it was just too cramped to fit in and once i tried to force it and tapped the car behind me (only the number plate, no damage).

      Its a real nightmare trying to parallel park a car so big with no reverse camera in a tight spot.

  • +1

    I wish I'd bought a ute over a car the first time around. They are infinitely more practical when you don't have the kids requirement. Also incredibly easy to reverse park as you can see over the back tray.

    • +3

      I would certainly look at a hatch where you can fold down the back seats so it can take all his stuff when he moves out.

      • +4

        Woah there, he's only 19.. Going by how kids are these days, he'll not need to move out for another 10 years yet.

        • +3

          But can use it to move OP into a home. :p

      • +1

        It was an optimistic posting :)

  • +2

    I'm so behind the times, I've never used GPS, nor a reverse camera. I use my eyes, and either a map or Google.

    My only advice is to not get a 2 door car, here in VIC they are defined as a coupe, and cost more to register. A family members huge Hilux cost less to register than my 2 door hatch.

    • +1

      What's a veloster regarded as ?

      • Coupe

    • here in VIC they are defined as a coupe, and cost more to register

      You must be behind the times, in this as well.

      (https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/registration/registration-feā€¦)

      No mention of a two door car costing more to register than other passenger vehicles.

      As for the Hilux see "Goods carrying vehicles - up to 2 tonnes"

      • +1

        Cheers, explains why the Hilux is so much cheaper than my hatch. Good to hear they did away with the silly two door coupe rules.

  • +13

    God… Kids these days. I bought my own car at 19, and it while it was a pile of crap, it was certainly better than my brother's old one…

    edit: and when I say better, it was full of rust.. But at least the engine didn't catch fire like his ;)

    • +7

      Hell yeh. My first car was $150 and 35 years old. Loved it to bits and lasted ages.

      Tempted to say an ozbargainer should be ashamed spoiling a kid with a car anywhere near $20k. Absurd.

      • +8

        So many of my friends received a car for their 18th. Some got given a car(new or newish) when they got their Ps. Here I am, turning 23 in a few months, still using public transport.

        If you wondering why I haven't save up enough for a car. The truth is, I do have money to buy a car, it's the maintenance that's turning me off.

        Thank God my boyfriend is nice enough to drive me to places hard to reach by PT. Big shoutout to you!

        • +2

          True Ozb. Don't buy a car, just make sure your boy/girl friend has a car. No car no hook-up.

        • +2

          You can learn to do most of it yourself on an uncomplicated car.. With sockets, screwdrivers, and axle stands, you can learn to basically do your own services:

          • Change oil & filter
          • Check / change other filters on requirement
          • Check & top up any other fluids (coolant, brake, clutch, etc)
          • Check & change brake pads / disks
          • Check condition of boots, suspension, etc
          • Check for leaks
          • For gods sake, check your lights.. Incl putting a brick or something on the brake pedal to check they come on OK.

          Then for anything you don't have the tool for (and don't want the tool for), or something you judge to be beyond your skill, then you can have that single task done by a mechanic..

          Back in the old days, you had to have someone show you what to do… But now it's all on youtube.

        • -1

          @airzone:
          My dad does most of the maintenance for the cars at home. When I said maintenance, it included road tax, insurance etc, they are so expensive!

    • Same, bought my own car for $300 when I was 16 and did all the work (well didn't need much) to pass roadworthy.. 10 years later I've still got the same car LOL.. worst thing that had to be done since owning it was change the clutch.. which I did my self one night and cost me the price of the clutch. $200~

      Laugh my head off when I see people spending 20-50k on a car that is only a A to B commuter.

      • +1

        Heh a solo driveway clutch job is a b1tch.. I have the timing belt on my crapbox coming up and it's costing me about $200 for a new set of belts (timing and accessories), bearings, water pump, seals, and coolant..

  • +1

    Get a 1-2 year old Mazda 2 for 11k or something (private price), 20k is a lot if you just want a basic small car for a P plater

  • -6

    2005-2006 Volkswagen MK5 Golf (1.6 Petrol) with between 90k - 130k kms and approx $7500-$9000

    2005-2006 Mazda 3 (2.0 / 2.3 Petrol) with between 100k - 140k kms and approx $8000 - $9500

  • +4

    Stay away from Volkswagen - over priced and the ongoing costs are the most expensive.
    Mazda are really good but can be a little more on the expensive side.

    to be honest,

    i would go look at either a kia Rio or a Cerato hatch.
    they are great cars with a lot of extra features like gps and reverse camera, for not a lot of extra money.
    they are also really well made and come with 7 year warranty which is the longest of all the car manufacturers.
    and i believe they have fixed price servicing for the first few years also.

    id head to a dealer and see what they've got in either a 2013, 2014, or current model. 2013 models will only have 5 year warranty but could be cheaper and get you the features that you want.
    either that or check out a Hyundai, but i found them to be inferior to the Kia.

    • +2

      True. VW cars are mostly quite rubbish, no comparison with the Jap. VWs are just good for selling to the fools in China where those morons hate the Japs so much.

    • +1

      Cerato hatch's are 25k with satnav/reversing camera's. They have a huge bonnet to house an old style, heavy 1.8 litre. The manual gearbox is too close to have any fun with it. When changing gears I have to make 7 (yes 7) clicks to get it in gear, else it jumps back out (if you slam it in its fine).

      Rio's are tiny, heavy and feel underpowered thanks to their gear ratios.

      • if you own one, you should go get that checked out. thats not normal.
        i also said to check out a 2013, 2014 model which will be cheaper but still have warranty.

  • +1

    $5000 Max, like others have said, get him a nicer car later

    • +3

      Not really. You are not in op's shoes. Op might be very rich and 20k to him just as humble as 2k to average people. In that case why not buy something peace in mind?

  • Considering your budget and the kind of car you can get for the money, a reverse camera is not really needed, that car will likely be tiny, so the camera is redundant. I would recommend a Toyota Corolla or Yaris if you don't like the kid and do like your wallet, or if you like him, ask him what he wants and compromise. He might say a WRX, so get him an RX. Just make sure its slow, safe and cheap to run. Regardless of cameras or not, there is a very high likelihood that he will scrape and bump the crap out of this car during his tenure at the helm.

    • RX are slow but safe. AWD are the easiest cars to handle when driven by inexperienced people

  • +1

    damn 20k for a first car. Neat. My first car was an old rusty 94 subaru impreza..Worked long long hours during my school holidays and weekends so i could buy a car.

    Hopefully whatever vehicle you pick for your son he appreciates it and loves it!

  • +1

    Perhaps a 20k gift is a little excessive, maybe you could get him to pay half from whatever savings he has? (By 19, you should have at least a few thousand in the bank, if not 10). Just a thought.

    • I had to work from 15 years old at coles to save not even half that money by 18, and these parents just buy their kids cars.

  • -7

    How about a Holden Tigra, cool factor, small car, easy to park, cheap on fuel but best of all it wont break the bank… http://www.carsales.com.au/car/holden/tigra/

    http://www.mynrma.com.au/motoring-services/reviews/car-revieā€¦

    Summary : Holden's Tigra is a surprisingly practical all-rounder. Good performance, enjoyable handling and solid build quality make it an attractive proposition. Put the top down and enjoy.

    • +4

      Nope nope nope… Kill it with fire. Looks like a Peugeot 206cc which is IMHO a very ugly car. There is nothing cool about it. I absolutely hate and detest the drivers which drive this god forsaken eyesore.

      Please do not ever get anything which is/looks like the following:
      - Peugeot 206cc
      - Chrysler PT Cruiser
      - Mini Cooper

      Practicality wise, I have never seen this car on the road. Any accidents with it will need to be replaced with new OEM parts.

      Get a more common car, with similar specs. At least you'll be able to source replacement parts like bumpers and mirrors easily from a used car yard.

      • -1

        You also missed the fact the Tigra is manual transmission only

  • +2

    I bargained down a 2009 Honda Civic VTI (MY08) in dec 13 on my birthday to replace my old 1997 car inherited form the family. Bargained it down to 14k, most other competing civis that age or one or two years older or a VTI-L went up to 16.5k, 16.9k. So I'm sure you can find a $14-16k civic, say 2011 version now that we're in 2015?

    This car has decent grunt, and I would say more strength /feel than when I test drove the corolla 2009/2010 back then. The hyundai i30 felt powerful, especially when i hit the accelerator, but the feel of the interiors felt shabbier than the feel the honda civic gave off.

    I'd rate it decently sized too. it came with reverse sensors already built in to the VTI model (normally only in VTI-L) so that's a good way to get the next model spec up by finding a preowned one with it built in.

    IMHO a camera is good but a reverse sensor is better. 1) Becuase you can actually hear a beep from proximity, a camera yes you can see it on your screen but if you want to go right ot the very limit I'd rather trust a beeping noise than my judgement of the screen camera. and most importantly 2) you retain somewhat your driving skills becuase you're turning around to reverse, not looking at your dashboard reversing camera.

    When I was a P plater and learning , close calls parking in tight spots IMHO built me into the driver I am today. Which IMHO is pretty decent. The reverse camera sometimes makes me lazy to turn around and "judge" distance becuase I've grown to rely on its beeping . I still turn around now so i don't get rusty.

    If you give a reverse camera to a P plater I hate to imagine how lazy he'd get just looking at the screen and not learning some real life driving , that is, turn your neck and get down dirty.

    Sure he may never need it, and it isn't my place to say what he should do, but even if he doesn't realise it he'll be thankful that his judgement and driving is better. Plus what will he do if he gets a car without a camera? Rental car on holidays/travelling?

    • +1

      Adding to this I'd very much say get a second hand car thats 3-4 years old, under 50,000 kms. Mine was 50,000kms at that time, still plenty of life, but still plenty of discount for being 'old'.

      not to mention the savings can be redeployed to something better. say $6k for servicing if you insist on paying up to 20k. or better still invest the 6k in a good quality shares for his 20th birthday? That's 2 years of presents solved!

    • +1 to honda under 100k kms. After alot of research I was set on either civic or an accord or corolla as a distant 3rd. Ended up with an '08 accord for 12,500 @ 68k kms and am very happy. The civic is a great car also.

      The 'learn to drive without reverse camera's' is a moot point as pretty much all cars will have them now as standard, except for the ultra crappo economy cars that deliberately try to cut corners on cost. Its just gonna be part of the make up of cars going forward and its like saying 'learn to drive without power steering, dont rely on it'.

  • +3

    Not that my first car was practical as it was a 1974 LJ Torana. But honestly as a daily driver I would look for something cheaper. I'm 24 going to uni in a $1000 1997 VS Executive… It gets hit by cars in the car park, gets scratched and honestly I don't care… It's a daily driver, not a fashion statement. It's reliable as anything and everything works on it.

    I would suggest looking around the $5000 mark. No young driver needs a brand new car. If I learnt to drive in an original immaculate little old ladies car from the 1970's with drum brakes, no powered steering and no luxuries. I would think your child should be able to make do with a car from the early 2000's with better safety features and better luxuries.

    I don't know, just honestly in the past few years it seems like kids are getting more and more spoilt. My parents gave me $2000 for my first car the rest was out of my own pocket… Can't see why the same couldn't apply to your child. Teaches the value of learning not everything in life is free and you need to work hard to get better things in life.

  • +25

    can you be my dad

  • I am 19, looking for something around $10K. Might even go cheaper from what people are suggesting here just because I don't want the pressure of never scratching it and keeping it "new". I'm paying for it entirely myself though, my relationship with my parents isn't so great.

    • +5

      I just bought a 2011 Mazda 3 for that price. It's awesome. Highly recommend it. :-)

      • +1

        Great choice for the $ - easy car to work on also, so great for some DIY servicing.

  • +1

    2009-2010 WS Fiesta Zetec (German made) or 2012+ Fiesta S with 1.0 Ecoboost engine.
    Ultra reliable and great handling cars. The Ecoboost is very frugal on the fuel with plenty of torque.

    If spending 20k then maybe look at a secondhand Fiesta ST. A fiesty, fun car.

  • -2

    smart fortwo.

  • +6

    Spend $5K on a used car, and save the $15K for three replacements.

  • +13

    I chose a good Leatherman… He also liked the Orient watch….I will have to look for a really good metal band replacement… researching car with $20000 burning a hole in our pockets

    … it's time to cut the umbilical cord, don't you think?

    • +13

      Haha I read the other thread on the son's 18th bday ideas. Travel got veto'ed because…

      Travel: We will have a holiday together anyway and I am the protective type of parent and can't let him go alone or with young friends on an overseas trip at this age yet (the most he has been away from home was a 5 day cadet outdoor trip in the bush).

      OP is a next level helicopter parent. I am a girl with strict Asian parents and I was allowed to go overseas after HSC no problems.

      • +11

        I think the best present op can give his son, is his trust, that he can take care of himself and be a responsible adult who no longer needs to be spoon fed.

    • Perhaps his son is held to higher expectations and the vehicle is not a reward, it is a productivity tool.

  • +2

    Your son is a lucky lad, hope he appreciates your thoughts - many can only dream of receiving such presents from their parents.

    • THis guy buys his son birthday presents. Is that common? XD

      • Haha I know it sounds quite absurd but it's not too uncommon.

        I'm just saying that the best thing op can receive in return is appreciation :-)

        • You're correct!

          Many parents are like I gave you life, education, shelter and food.

        • @gamechanger: yes, and some disguise things bought at an interval of 1-2 months apart as birthday presents. Lol

  • +1

    OP seriously how about a cheaper used car and a trip overseas?

    Spend $10-15K on the car and spend the rest of the cash on a overseas trip to Europe. Let him go by himself with some mates.

    Alternatively if he is studying put the cash into a account so he can do a exchange later

  • +2

    VW Golf MK7 90tsi comfortline, second hand.

    With the company's current balance press, the poor resale value works in your favour.

    Avoid Swift. The brakes (even on the Sport model) is below acceptable.

    Yaris and the i20 is a class smaller than the Golf and Corolla. Much poorer ride quality as a result of narrower wheelbase.

    Minis are a whole different level of ongoing cost. Not advisable as first car.

    • +9

      Avoid Swift. The brakes (even on the Sport model) is below acceptable.

      You have to be kidding lol I guess you must be, you recommended a secondhand Golf!

      • Exactly what I thought.

      • I'm not kidding. I gave good reason to avoid the Swift. Perhaps you should follow in kind regarding your opinion.

        I am a motorsports hobbyist, so i have slammed on the brakes of a fair few cars from 80kmph up to 280kmph. The time it takes for the Swift Sport to stop from 80kmph, any of my cars could have stopped and accelerated back to 80kmph.

        I'm not bagging any particular make or model, I just think that if you value braking power (which I believe every inexperienced driver should), then stay away from the Swift.

        I would have also recommended a Corolla, but that thing has an engine close to a decade old.

        • +1

          Perhaps you should follow in kind regarding your opinion.

          I work for a car dealership, I've seen what's happened to engines and gearboxes of VWs outside warranty. There's a good reason resale plummets after the warranty runs out.

        • @Spackbace:
          I don't know your role nor which make you work under. Not sure how you came to those conclusions although I will agree to a certain extent.

          The pre CTHE 1.4TFSI did have engine consumption issues but are not age related. The gearbox was problems were an issue with the previous gen 7speed dry clutch DSG.

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