NSW: Crossing unbroken double line to a driveway then do 3 point turn. Legal?

Daedalus on 04/11/2015 - 11:09

Assume that crossing unbroken double lines to enter a driveway is legal. See https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/217980
For those who wish to argue this point please argue in the other post. This post is not about that.

This post is to discuss whether you can use this rule to cross the unbroken double lines into a driveway (legal), but then reverse out of the driveway to head in the opposite direction. Effectively doing a 3 point turn.

  1. If you think it is not legal, what happens if the driver turns into the driveway, but then changes his/her mind and actually wants to leave the place instead?

  2. If you think it is not legal, would your mind be changed if upon entering the driveway, the driver turns off the car engine, leaves the car and comes back. Would this still count as a "3 point turn"?

BTW this trick is very useful in doing 3 point turns almost anywhere!

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  • djones145 on 04/11/2015 - 11:15
    +3

    please call RTA or a driving instructor

    I dunno why people are posting for legal advice (annual leave, siuck leave post) etc on a bargain forum, yes we are all arm chair experts, and can provide legal advice!

    I reckon its illegal, prolly be arrested on the post and thrown in jail, its worse than murder!

    • [Deactivated] on 04/11/2015 - 12:41
      -1

      People posting for legal advice, and people declaring legal things illegal…

      The latter's worse I reckon.

      • ESEMCE on 04/11/2015 - 14:15
        +3

        I think it's criminal that you didn't detect the sarcasm!

        • djones145 on 04/11/2015 - 15:29
          +1

          lol
          actually I have seen many cases in the news where mothers do these u turns, in driveways near school and run over kids!

          even if its legal (which I aint saying if it is or not) don't do it

          especially those mothers in 4 wheel drives and can barely see anything

        • [Deactivated] on 05/11/2015 - 10:53

          @djones145: THIS.

  • nocure on 04/11/2015 - 11:18
    +3

    Seriously…enough already.

  • Davo1111 on 04/11/2015 - 11:19
    +2

    i gather posting on the relevant thread is too much for you?

  • [Deactivated] on 04/11/2015 - 12:19

    cars cost too much, spend the money on eneloops instead

  • ozhunter on 04/11/2015 - 12:24

    Why would it be illegal?

  • thereisriceandcurry on 04/11/2015 - 13:18
    +1

    If it is assumed that crossing double unbroken lines to enter a driveway is legal, and that seperately reversing out of a driveway to enter a road to leave is also legal, doing these two movements in succession as two seperate movements, even with a moment of lapse in between would logically seem to also be legal, as long as they are done as seperate movements, with checking of traffic conditions inbetween

    Based on logic, not law. Often the two which do not intersect. I do not know the legality of the above

  • eatwell365 on 04/11/2015 - 14:17

    Think the intention of the rule is for people to drive home easily. I believe people should not abuse, as not being Australian. Change of rule affects people who have the real need.

    If you think it is not legal, what happens if the driver turns into the driveway, but then changes his/her mind and actually wants to leave the place instead?

    Just be prepared to explain to the magistrate when asked.

    If you think it is not legal, would your mind be changed if upon entering the driveway, the driver turns off the car engine, leaves the car and comes back. Would this still count as a "3 point turn"?

    Make sure the whole car is on the driveway. And wait.

  • resubaehtgnolhcs on 04/11/2015 - 14:40
    +2

    I was pulled over late at night by a police officer for this exact manoeuvre - crossed double lines by pulling into to a driveway (mixed business/residential building) and then reversing out. Used all the excuses above about changing my mind, wrong address etc, he wasn't buying any of it. Police officer said the only legal way I could have made that manoeuvre was to park my car, turn off engine, lock it etc and go into said building for a period of time to conduct whatever I needed to do there, and then come back to my vehicle and continue with my journey.

    • scrimshaw on 04/11/2015 - 15:36
      +1

      Well then there you have it. Doing a 3 point turn using somebody else's driveway just for the sake of convenience is illegal.

      • djones145 on 04/11/2015 - 15:42
        +2

        illegal nooooo, don't like that response, gonna create a new post about a "friend" doing a u turn on a double white line

        • scrimshaw on 04/11/2015 - 15:54

          Do you know why you got pulled over?

          Littering and… littering and…. littering and smoking the reefer. Now to teach you boys a lesson, me and officer Rabbit are going to stand here while you three smoke the whole bag.

      • ozhunter on 04/11/2015 - 16:53

        http://i.imgur.com/ABh3WbV.png

        http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=2225446#r…

        Search driveway on the thread there. Some people agree you can, others you can't.

        I'm in WA and a 3 point turn using someone's driveway was part of the driving test.

    • Randxyz123 on 04/11/2015 - 17:15
      +1

      Did he/she fine you?

      Used all the excuses above about changing my mind, wrong address etc, he wasn't buying any of it.

      Because you were just doing a regular 3 point turn yeah? Police officers are great at detecting bullshit.

      If you were able to say to the officer "I am looking for number <??>" They might believe you.

      Think it through… A office building late at night what the hell would you have been doing there anyway?

      • eatwell365 on 05/11/2015 - 06:38

        look for number

        like. Did not think of that.

      • resubaehtgnolhcs on 05/11/2015 - 21:13
        +1

        Yep, fined and demerits applied! Benefit of hindsight is great, but he pulled me over 300-400 meters down the road from where I pulled the manoeuvre so saying I was "looking for number …" probably wasn't going to wash either. Also, it wasn't an office building - it was apartments with retail stores on the ground floor (mixed business/residential like i mentioned earlier).

        I tried the bullshit and it didn't work, so I just sucked it up! The cop knew and so did I, so no point trying to debate it with him further.

  • inherentchoice on 04/11/2015 - 17:02

    Wouldn't using a private driveway amount to trespass? I know that the first few metres of driveways are usually part of the road reserve, but what if you went over the boundary line?

    • ozhunter on 04/11/2015 - 17:23

      but what if you went over the boundary line?

      You'd get shot on sight..

      I remember the driving instructor saying that you aren't allowed further than the mailbox.

    • eatwell365 on 05/11/2015 - 06:42

      Would think can only convict you if there is a warning sign of trespassing.

  • Vieira4 on 05/11/2015 - 07:22

    Maybe they should call it a 3-demerit point turn?

  • [Deactivated] on 05/11/2015 - 10:52

    I used to think I was being silly when raging at the fact nobody knew how to drive. Thank you Ozbargain, for constantly validating my beliefs.

  • doctordv8 on 10/11/2015 - 10:10

    I don't understand. Why aren't these rule and legal questions left to rule makers/enforces and legal eagles? It is written in the rule and code books, it is available on line, at any police station, and yet we see these questions continously.

    Why are you wasting your time and more importantly, our time and space? Come here to whine or for an opinion, educated or otherwise and ok, but come here for expert exacting legal advice and that sounds dumb to me. What if someone acted on given advise in here from unqualified arm chair experts and the rusults were horrendusly bad or simply very expensive? Is that arm chair expert going to offer compensation? Will you? No, did not think so.

    So, to answer, in my unqualified opinion only, based on heresay and getting my licence 40 yrs ago, crossing a SINGLE solid line to enter YOUR driveway, is legal, with exceptions, but not under any other circumstances, and DOUBLE lines are an absolute no. See, you have an answer, but is it right or wrong? I am also using QLD road rules, but I did start driving in NSW, and I was in the NT for 15 yrs, so who are you going to listen to?

    Oh I know, the rule makers and enforcers. Mmmmm, didn't I see that written somewhere before?

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